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(08:57 AM) Buffy_04364: morning all
(08:58 AM) alan123: morning buffy
(09:01 AM) Buffy_04364: :-)
(09:08 AM) Buffy_04364: rose isn't here now
(09:08 AM) Bob Cole: thank you
(09:09 AM) prakso: good morning to all
(09:09 AM) tomsurf: good morning
(09:09 AM) Buffy_04364: morning
(09:10 AM) plevin: good morning Buffy
(09:12 AM) plevin: I'll be back in afew minutes
(09:19 AM) Tom_B: GM.
(09:20 AM) dave_b_quik: g'morning all
(09:23 AM) tomsurf: moring dave
(09:23 AM) Buffy_04364: hi all
(09:23 AM) tomsurf: hi Buffy
(09:23 AM) Buffy_04364: :-)
(09:25 AM) plevin: GM Buffy
(09:29 AM) Buffy_04364: morning - is your daughter home now?
(09:34 AM) plevin: thank you john
(09:42 AM) johnl96: Is everybody just being quiet this morning?
(09:42 AM) plevin: looks like it john.
(09:43 AM) Buffy_04364: looks that way
(09:43 AM) Buffy_04364: we just tested the globex high I think
(09:43 AM) Bob Cole: not hearing sound today
(09:43 AM) Buffy_04364: charts got messed up Friday with early close
(09:43 AM) Buffy_04364: we only type during the day bob
(09:44 AM) Buffy_04364: that way traders can concentrate on their trades and catch up with room later
(09:44 AM) Buffy_04364: also can take a break if you want
(09:44 AM) Buffy_04364: market closed mic is open
(09:44 AM) Buffy_04364: welcome to the room
(09:44 AM) Bob Cole: ok... thanks
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(09:45 AM) plevin: I have to go to a paltalk tech room for a subscription problem. I'll be back later.
(09:45 AM) Buffy_04364: feel free to contribute
(09:45 AM) Buffy_04364: or ak questions
(09:46 AM) Buffy_04364: reanchor in pyra
(09:46 AM) tali_5: no voice?
(09:46 AM) Bob Cole: short at 1459
(09:46 AM) Buffy_04364: we only type during the day use mic when market is closed
(09:47 AM) Buffy_04364: welcome to room
(09:47 AM) nell6: do you use mic in this room after close
(09:47 AM) Buffy_04364: yes we do
(09:47 AM) Buffy_04364: to answer any questions etc
(09:48 AM) nell6: k
(09:48 AM) Buffy_04364: room is also open evenings and weekends
(09:49 AM) Buffy_04364: room is real quiet though
(09:49 AM) Buffy_04364: usually more going on
(09:50 AM) Buffy_04364: I have been away a few days
(09:50 AM) Bob Cole: covered at 1457
(09:50 AM) Buffy_04364: nice bob
(09:50 AM) Buffy_04364: what is your basic system? we have pnf, patterns, and many others here
(09:51 AM) nell6: what is pnf?
(09:51 AM) Buffy_04364: point and figure
(09:51 AM) Buffy_04364: ppusa makes comments on that
(09:52 AM) Bob Cole: stoch on one min rsi on 5 25 tick chart close to pivots... looking at LSS very interested in Taylor stuff
(09:53 AM) Buffy_04364: rose should be here at some point
(09:53 AM) Buffy_04364: tks
(09:54 AM) Daniel X: looking for an upside fail near 59 now ..will reshort
(09:54 AM) Buffy_04364: tks daniel
(09:54 AM) nell6: morning dan
(09:54 AM) Buffy_04364: glad you still around
(09:54 AM) Daniel X: gmornin
(09:55 AM) johnl96: gm daniel
(09:55 AM) Daniel X: i will be
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(09:56 AM) blurr123: hello
(09:57 AM) Buffy_04364: hi blurr
(09:57 AM) Daniel X: thinking chop zone 50 to 65 ..a little early though i kow
(09:57 AM) Daniel X: know
(09:58 AM) Buffy_04364: sounds reasonable though
(09:58 AM) blurr123: buffy, od you anounce entries and exits on your trades?
(09:58 AM) Buffy_04364: and we should know soon
(09:58 AM) Buffy_04364: no I announce setups
(09:58 AM) Daniel X: brb..have my sick 3 year old with me today 5 mins
(09:58 AM) Buffy_04364: get in trouble too much when I get a phone call and miss an exit
(09:58 AM) Buffy_04364: LOL
(09:58 AM) blurr123: ok, i have never been in here during these hours
(09:58 AM) Buffy_04364: many do though
(09:59 AM) Buffy_04364: this might be a flag
(09:59 AM) Buffy_04364: on 133T
(10:00 AM) Buffy_04364: if not should test high
(10:00 AM) Buffy_04364: IMO
(10:00 AM) Bob Cole: buffy, you don't scalp these smaller moves?
(10:01 AM) Buffy_04364: some days I do bob
(10:01 AM) Buffy_04364: not today
(10:01 AM) blurr123: do you bob?
(10:01 AM) blurr123: how many points do you look for on the scalp?
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(10:02 AM) Bob Cole: no set number
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(10:06 AM) Buffy_04364: LS
(10:07 AM) Bob Cole: short 1459.5
(10:07 AM) raz_62: have a question if you are looking for symetry between a series of highs and one of the highs have 4 bars that have equal highs would you use the first bar or last bar or does it matter
(10:12 AM) scorp: anyone else having quote problems with esignal?
(10:12 AM) Buffy_04364: none here
(10:12 AM) raz_62: not here
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(10:12 AM) Buffy_04364: friday was a mess though
(10:12 AM) tomsurf: scorp- just that my Dow hasn't updated this morning
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(10:13 AM) scorp: thanks
(10:14 AM) Buffy_04364: don't really know raz but don't think it matters
(10:14 AM) Bob Cole: short again
(10:14 AM) Buffy_04364: neither has mine scorp now that you mention it
(10:14 AM) Buffy_04364: hmm
(10:14 AM) Buffy_04364: not something I watch
(10:15 AM) Bob Cole: 1460.5
(10:15 AM) raz_62: ascending triangle ????
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(10:15 AM) Buffy_04364: could be raz
(10:15 AM) Daniel X: don't have e signal but problems today also
(10:15 AM) Buffy_04364: many regulars missing raz - google open own room?
(10:16 AM) raz_62: i dont know
(10:16 AM) raz_62: if so i wasnt invited
(10:16 AM) Buffy_04364: neither was I LOL
(10:16 AM) tomsurf: have no idea Buffy, was wondering same.
(10:16 AM) tomsurf: ann not here either
(10:17 AM) Buffy_04364: many others also that are her following
(10:17 AM) Daniel X: they al left wheni came back!!!
(10:17 AM) raz_62: jimmer is online but not here either is he
(10:17 AM) dave_b_quik: hahaha
(10:17 AM) Daniel X: hmmmm
(10:17 AM) Buffy_04364: maybe she is teaching more instead of just tracking trades :-)
(10:17 AM) dave_b_quik: you still da man dan
(10:18 AM) Daniel X: lol
(10:18 AM) Buffy_04364: yep you are dan
(10:18 AM) Daniel X: thnx
(10:18 AM) Buffy_04364: IB 4M
(10:20 AM) Daniel X: holding 59 area..looks promising
(10:20 AM) raz_62: looks like trend lines breaking downward
(10:20 AM) raz_62: fake??
(10:21 AM) Daniel X: don't like being under the 5 min 20 ma
(10:21 AM) Bob Cole: looks lower...
(10:22 AM) Bob Cole: mAYBE A LITTLE WISHING TOO
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(10:22 AM) johnl96: can't believe I haven't made a trade yet
(10:23 AM) Daniel X: sometimes no trade is better thn a losing trade
(10:23 AM) raz_62: King cambo put out an e magazine this weekend he is predicting sub 8000 Dow by 3/19/02
(10:23 AM) p_8: lol, i'm glad i haven't made a trade, john..
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(10:23 AM) Daniel X: i hate being right n those chop zone cals.damn
(10:23 AM) Buffy_04364: I just have a couple of shorts
(10:24 AM) Daniel X: plz break out plzzzz
(10:24 AM) Buffy_04364: :-)
(10:24 AM) Buffy_04364: bk in about 15
(10:24 AM) Daniel X: ok
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(10:26 AM) Bob Cole: cover all at 1457.5
(10:27 AM) Bob Cole: too early of course
(10:30 AM) pender: anyone have the formulas for computing pivot numbers?
(10:30 AM) Bob Cole: does Rose show up daily?
(10:30 AM) Bob Cole: Pender.. I do in excel
(10:31 AM) ppusa: long stop 63 area
(10:31 AM) Daniel X: i think i'm gonna try to count snowflakes before they hit the ground...back in 1/2 hour ..yyaaawwnnnn
(10:31 AM) ppusa: otherwise short
(10:31 AM) dave_b_quik: it snows in montreal?
(10:31 AM) Daniel X: oopss w8!
(10:31 AM) johnl96: pender, do you have ensign software?
(10:32 AM) Daniel X: of course
(10:32 AM) pender: Yes
(10:32 AM) Daniel X: it snows
(10:32 AM) Daniel X: lol
(10:32 AM) johnl96: w8?
(10:32 AM) Daniel X: -20Celsius today
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(10:32 AM) dave_b_quik: = wait
(10:32 AM) Daniel X: w8 = wait
(10:32 AM) johnl96: oh, thx
(10:33 AM) Daniel X: l8tr
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(10:35 AM) dave_b_quik: we'll have to add those to the chatroom glossary
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(10:35 AM) Daniel X: a/s/l
(10:36 AM) ppusa: long
(10:36 AM) Daniel X: afk away from keyboard
(10:37 AM) ppusa: out
(10:38 AM) Bob Cole: looking long
(10:38 AM) FrankT: Volume, price action feels like lunch...
(10:41 AM) nell6: unscalpable
(10:41 AM) nell6: untradeable
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(10:43 AM) Buffy_04364: rose usually does bob but like I said been away
(10:43 AM) Buffy_04364: new room called profit pig hmmm
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(10:43 AM) Bob Cole: thanks Buffy, any other LSS user's here?
(10:44 AM) nell6: LSS?
(10:44 AM) johnl96: what's profit pig buffy?
(10:44 AM) Buffy_04364: many were using them but she just started last couple of weeks posting them
(10:44 AM) Buffy_04364: a new room on paltalk
(10:44 AM) Buffy_04364: no clue
(10:45 AM) Bob Cole: thanks
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(10:45 AM) johnl96: thx
(10:45 AM) thoff: nell6, what is lss?
(10:46 AM) Bob Cole: old system... 1950's
(10:46 AM) nell6: i don't know , i am asking
(10:46 AM) Bob Cole: cycles
(10:52 AM) ppusa: might have to wait another 40 minutes before a real move ??? (based on hour chart
(10:52 AM) Buffy_04364: hi pp
(10:52 AM) Buffy_04364: tks
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(10:52 AM) ppusa: hi
(10:52 AM) scorp: seems tought; mad at myself for attempting to trade
(10:53 AM) scorp: eerie quiet in here
(10:53 AM) johnl96: I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm up $12 after commission
(10:53 AM) Buffy_04364: it is hard to learn when to sit on hands
(10:53 AM) Buffy_04364: it is quiet scorp
(10:53 AM) KaderBandit: Thats my problem , Buffy... When resolved , I'll be rich!!
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(10:54 AM) Buffy_04364: many can say that kader
(10:54 AM) KaderBandit: ;)
(10:54 AM) Buffy_04364: http://www.dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart.com/charts/2002-02-11/Buffy-4M_Pyra1.gif
(10:54 AM) Buffy_04364: diag cross and tos is the range
(10:55 AM) Buffy_04364: howard just posted the future pyra prop window
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(10:56 AM) FrankT: My choppiness index as high as I 've seen it in a while...
(10:56 AM) rich012: kader, I am rich
(10:56 AM) Buffy_04364: lol
(10:56 AM) rich012: :-)
(10:56 AM) KaderBandit: lol
(10:56 AM) rich012: Rich in everything but money
(10:56 AM) rich012: so can't complain :-)
(10:57 AM) pete77_1: I was accidently long one over the weekend, but luckily was able to close yes evening plus 10 pts.
(10:57 AM) dave_b_quik: you're rich as i am quick
(10:57 AM) Buffy_04364: nope many have a lot less
(10:57 AM) KaderBandit: My broker is rich...
(10:57 AM) dave_b_quik: congrats, pete
(10:58 AM) Bob Cole: up a few points and off to work... guess I made more than I will at work.
(10:58 AM) Buffy_04364: nice pete when accidents don't go against you
(10:58 AM) Buffy_04364: :-) Bob
(10:58 AM) Buffy_04364: this thing is fighting
(10:58 AM) Bob Cole: on e-signal can you see the volume of the contract for eact minute etc?
(10:59 AM) Bob Cole: I can't
(10:59 AM) KaderBandit: I've made 1500 $ by going short by accident overnight pos and 3 days away from market ...
(10:59 AM) johnl96: yes bob
(10:59 AM) KaderBandit: that was the only luck I ever had on the market:)
(10:59 AM) Bob Cole: i've had luck overnight... bad
(11:00 AM) QSuzy: keeps looking like down but trinq low at .56
(11:00 AM) Buffy_04364: not so sure I trust it suzyq
(11:00 AM) Buffy_04364: there just jumped
(11:00 AM) Buffy_04364: .67
(11:00 AM) QSuzy: yep...see it here
(11:01 AM) johnl96: bob, in esignal, there's a button at the top that says open info window or something. if you click that you can see volume for each bar and study info
(11:12 AM) scorp: Tom_B here?
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(11:16 AM) dave_b_quik: bob, if you click <ctrl>B it shows the data for each bar including volume
(11:16 AM) scorp: (test)
(11:17 AM) dave_b_quik: or right click on chart, then choose show/bar data
(11:18 AM) tippet: pennant breaking down?
(11:22 AM) tippet: kissback?
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(11:23 AM) Buffy_04364: looks it company here now
(11:23 AM) dave_b_quik: looks like it tippet, if kissback is the same as a backtest
(11:23 AM) tippet: y
(11:23 AM) dave_b_quik: put 'em to work, buffy
(11:24 AM) Buffy_04364: lol
(11:24 AM) tippet: poss short op if you missed earlier
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(11:29 AM) FrankT: ES looking more bullish than NQ
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(11:36 AM) FrankT: smax long?
(11:39 AM) tippet: MSFT weak
(11:39 AM) scylnx: MSFT only down 1%
(11:41 AM) tippet: not saying its crumbling just noticed its red and not gonna get overly bullish here if it doesnt join the party
(11:41 AM) FrankT: volume not here...
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(11:43 AM) FrankT: ES testing HOD
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(11:46 AM) FrankT: ES at high, NQ doesn't care
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(11:55 AM) nell6: the room is as quite as the market today
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(11:57 AM) Buffy_04364: have company
(11:57 AM) raz_62: just slammed me my first 2 trades
(11:58 AM) raz_62: speachless
(12:00 PM) raz_62: i guess the laws of averages dont count in the market
(12:00 PM) raz_62: i can be wrong 100% of the time
(12:01 PM) pender: maybe better to do opposite of what you see :-)
(12:02 PM) raz_62: no clue
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(12:03 PM) raz_62: bought the last trend line break stopped out at 48 went short at 51.5 and am still in
(12:03 PM) nell6: 9pt stop ?
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(12:04 PM) tippet: back in the pennant here careful raz
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(12:11 PM) pender: rule of 4, 3 min
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(12:13 PM) ppusa: short
(12:13 PM) ppusa: scalp
(12:13 PM) raz_62: dont c it
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(12:14 PM) ppusa: top of bb channel
(12:15 PM) raz_62: was talking about the rule of 4
(12:15 PM) ppusa: hasn't broken a tl so???
(12:15 PM) tippet: now did
(12:15 PM) ppusa: out
(12:15 PM) pender: 3 touches so far on trendline, 4th s/b around 1463.00 or so
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(12:17 PM) ppusa: dow sp new highs
(12:19 PM) tippet: dow at 50ema daily resis
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(12:29 PM) ppusa: flat lined in midrange getting ready to bust a move
(12:30 PM) dave_b_quik: skewered on the point of the NQ5m triangle
(12:31 PM) ppusa: most likely new highs
(12:31 PM) dave_b_quik: NDX head & shoulders objective reached Friday from 1/16 neckline breakdown...
(12:31 PM) ppusa: i wonder if going to 55 first
(12:32 PM) ppusa: Dave daily chart has Gatley
(12:32 PM) ppusa: r
(12:33 PM) dave_b_quik: today is the first upday since 1/31, so due for a day or 2 of sideways or upward consolidation
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(12:33 PM) raz_62: what aboput friday
(12:33 PM) ppusa: i wold like to see another slam
(12:33 PM) raz_62: it was up
(12:33 PM) ppusa: is the low of the week in?
(12:34 PM) tippet: Carpino has a cycle high i think friday
(12:34 PM) raz_62: look for a drop
(12:35 PM) tippet: this is opt exp wk also right?
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(12:35 PM) raz_62: i covered short and went long
(12:35 PM) ppusa: dow looks like going back over 10000
(12:35 PM) tippet: SOX hod
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(12:36 PM) raz_62: got the top too
(12:36 PM) tippet: 3 humps up?
(12:38 PM) raz_62: out
(12:38 PM) ppusa: i count 3 but this could turn into a 4 humper
(12:39 PM) dave_b_quik: or rule of 4?
(12:39 PM) raz_62: -18.5 in just a few minutes wish i could make it fast as i can lose it
(12:39 PM) dave_b_quik: or stay in the megaphone all afternoon?
(12:40 PM) dave_b_quik: raz, control yrself !!
(12:41 PM) raz_62: thought i wuz
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(12:46 PM) tippet: 3min bline nice trend up ..SOX hod
(12:50 PM) ppusa: all my stuff says up without any sell signal yet
(12:50 PM) ppusa: PnF has a big tio at HOD which i am hoping gets takenout then a big turn around but that's all guesswork
(12:50 PM) ppusa: tio = top
(12:51 PM) raz_62: http://www.dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart.com/charts/2002-02-11/trades584.jpg what did i do so wrong i tried to widen my stops because i always get stopped out 1 point from the reverse just like i did on the first trade
(12:52 PM) ppusa: raz the downtrendline nebver got broken when you bought
(12:53 PM) ppusa: and the other one had bottomed and you were shorting into an up
(12:53 PM) ppusa: hindsight
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(12:54 PM) dave_b_quik: ya, raz, those stops are too wide for me
(12:54 PM) ppusa: once the trendline gets broken usually look for a 3 hump rally
(12:54 PM) tippet: tendline brek 3min
(12:54 PM) raz_62: it went down
(12:54 PM) raz_62: after the break
(12:55 PM) ppusa: perfect buy setup
(12:55 PM) raz_62: i would have still stoppped out even if i had not jumped the gun
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(12:55 PM) ppusa: then it broke the other trendline
(12:55 PM) raz_62: went down to 47.5
(12:55 PM) ppusa: tested the old trendline
(12:55 PM) ppusa: i have a sell now
(12:56 PM) ppusa: i amnot taking it yet
(12:56 PM) ppusa: still in upchannel
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(12:57 PM) dave_b_quik: raz if you'da switched the buy/sell buttons you woulda been fine
(12:57 PM) raz_62: as usual
(12:57 PM) raz_62: if you only knew
(12:58 PM) dave_b_quik: or if you used 3 point stops instead of 8 - 11 you would have more chances to be right
(12:58 PM) raz_62: iu usually do
(12:58 PM) ppusa: raz your stop shoulda been 55 max on way up
(12:58 PM) Dotcoza: I have a question, PPUSA how do you determine your channels?
(12:58 PM) raz_62: but got tired of being 3 pointed to death
(12:58 PM) ppusa: i think
(12:59 PM) dave_b_quik: ya, 8 pointed to death is quicker, it's true
(12:59 PM) ppusa: the think was for my stop statement
(12:59 PM) Dotcoza: Thankx
(01:01 PM) ppusa: raz i don't think you should arbitrally decide to use a loose stop
(01:01 PM) ppusa: by the way the old state of new york pattern on the 55 tick
(01:01 PM) dave_b_quik: ya, when yr wrong it's better to admit defeat while you still have some ammo
(01:02 PM) ppusa: beyond that Dave, have to know when wrong in which situation
(01:02 PM) ppusa: hard to do
(01:02 PM) dave_b_quik: yup
(01:02 PM) raz_62: wasnt wrong the first time admitted defeat too soon
(01:02 PM) dave_b_quik: wrong as far as my account is concerned...
(01:03 PM) ppusa: same for sell
(01:03 PM) dave_b_quik: about 25 min too early
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(01:04 PM) ppusa: brb
(01:05 PM) Tom_B: Greetings
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(01:05 PM) dave_b_quik: yo, tom
(01:05 PM) Tom_B: Hvng ram probs so no PTK
(01:06 PM) Tom_B: Missed All of u :)
(01:06 PM) dave_b_quik: :-(
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(01:06 PM) Tom_B: Hldng lng frm 52, yawn :)
(01:08 PM) Rick_214: hey it's me
(01:08 PM) Tom_B: pp ?
(01:08 PM) tomsurf: sure it is, lol
(01:08 PM) Rick_214: yea
(01:08 PM) Rick_214: pp
(01:09 PM) Rick_214: watch i will prove it
(01:09 PM) Tom_B: believe u
(01:09 PM) Rick_214: ydjfifejfirjgirgklgaf
(01:10 PM) dave_b_quik: hey, watch the language
(01:10 PM) Rick_214: messing around with computers
(01:10 PM) Rick_214: some talk some don't
(01:10 PM) Rick_214: looks like my sells ignal would have worked
(01:11 PM) Tom_B: hw much retr before new hi ?
(01:11 PM) dave_b_quik: 1288?
(01:11 PM) Rick_214: do i look like the shell answer man?
(01:11 PM) Tom_B: LOL
(01:12 PM) Tom_B: HOD :)
(01:12 PM) Rick_214: i have more sell signals now
(01:12 PM) raz_62: hey i am consistent cover long 1 point from bottom and short 1.5 points from top
(01:13 PM) Tom_B: lks like 55 - 56 mght be supp..
(01:13 PM) Rick_214: could turn up again
(01:13 PM) Rick_214: i guess that was 3 humps
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(01:14 PM) p_8: may have a 2b top on 15min nq
(01:14 PM) Tom_B: I'm trying new approach... :) WAIT that's why I only hve a lng frm 52 & am @ bkevn stp trget74/83 or 93...
(01:14 PM) dave_b_quik: ya, i was thinking that too
(01:15 PM) dave_b_quik: i like that, tom, think big
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(01:15 PM) Tom_B: ovr the fence trdng , LOL
(01:15 PM) dave_b_quik: ya, don't take no small change
(01:15 PM) p_8: no HOD poke, the 2b-top down trend would be stronger if there were a poke
(01:16 PM) raz_62: dont need to when you can make perfect entrys
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(01:16 PM) dave_b_quik: ya, p, but might not get the poke
(01:16 PM) p_8: y, very unlikely now
(01:16 PM) p_8: i think
(01:17 PM) Tom_B: My prob is all the "change" I give away chasing the small change so my risk here, based on less exposure is MUCH LESS..based on my typical prev activity... however, hard to watch rotations & not ttmar :)
(01:19 PM) p_8: if there were a poke later, the 2b short setup would no longer be clean
(01:19 PM) dave_b_quik: tom, try adding to the position on the rotations
(01:19 PM) tomsurf: TomB- good for you... no need to trade every wiggle.
(01:21 PM) dave_b_quik: p, if you accept a slanted top, there was a poke
(01:21 PM) dave_b_quik: not a 2B, but a spring at least
(01:22 PM) p_8: true
(01:22 PM) Rick_214: 22.5 and 25 point PnF suggest possible pullback in here somewhere
(01:22 PM) Tom_B: Obv, I'd like to see less retr on this but it is coming into supp zone/time ..also feels only like shrt cvrng but this willl prove itself vry soon, imho & I will add if I see spot..might be VRY close
(01:22 PM) Tom_B: DAH
(01:23 PM) QSuzy: TomB.....what time frame are you trading entries?.....as I recall you were using SMAX, right?
(01:24 PM) Tom_B: Can't figure Smax out... :(
(01:24 PM) Tom_B: Consistently
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(01:24 PM) QSuzy: SMAX would work better for me if that was all I was looking up.....too many charts....too many indicators up here!!
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(01:26 PM) jimbo_320: good afternoon all
(01:26 PM) Tom_B: So I looked today at the first shrt off the high , I assume google took it for the easy 10 pts dwn to 50.. I wasn't in room but that is whre I fig early stps wud be so after that obj hit I figure we're in a wave 4 on a 15min timrframe so I'm trading 15m using shrtr timefrme to fimesse
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(01:27 PM) Tom_B: HI Jimbo
(01:27 PM) jimbo_320: hi tom
(01:27 PM) Tom_B: Also I believe Smax gave a buy whr I was looking at 52,5 ?
(01:28 PM) Tom_B: This is just going to be a shrt squze to me... :)
(01:29 PM) Tom_B: Did Smax buy app 11:34 est at 51.5 ?
(01:29 PM) QSuzy: Right TomB....Buy at 52.5 on 2min chart....11:36.....didn't get it.....like I said looking at too much here!!
(01:30 PM) FrankT: Yep on 3 min too Tom
(01:30 PM) Tom_B: added
(01:30 PM) Tom_B: tnx
(01:31 PM) Tom_B: If I consider all the trades I might hve made... I'm ahead on Commission :)
(01:33 PM) Tom_B: New profit ctr for me :)
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(01:44 PM) jimbo_320: anyone use more than two computers with one isp connection here ?
(01:44 PM) p_8: y
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(01:44 PM) scylnx: Yes- about 8, jimbo
(01:45 PM) Rick_214: i have buy signals on PnF. I don't know if they will reverse down again but this area was my original target
(01:45 PM) Tom_B: Out
(01:45 PM) jimbo_320: or can
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(01:45 PM) Tom_B: 67
(01:45 PM) pender: leg/arc setting up, 15 min. 1476 target?
(01:46 PM) Tom_B: +15
(01:46 PM) scylnx: Can't just hook them up, proxy is one way. I use a custom Linux box as a router and doing NAT so each box has its own local (private) IP
(01:46 PM) scylnx: Should prob take off-line
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(01:47 PM) Rick_214: coincides with Rose's number here
(01:48 PM) Tom_B: I hve 74/83
(01:48 PM) tippet: have in h&s on 15min just hit ncklne? thoughts?
(01:49 PM) tippet: thats inverted
(01:50 PM) Rick_214: see it
(01:50 PM) Rick_214: PnF has buy signals that could run....no clue here
(01:50 PM) QSuzy: tickq picking up.....trinq coming down....
(01:50 PM) Tom_B: Imp't spot...
(01:52 PM) Tom_B: Had 68 as a trgt... thought it wud pop a bit bettr
(01:52 PM) Tom_B: Thought/Think more but flat
(01:53 PM) Rick_214: brb
(01:53 PM) tomsurf: tippet- that looks interesting. We are also at 62% fib retrace from the swing down from aprox 1500 so I'm wondering if this is a retrace or change in trend to up.
(01:53 PM) Tom_B: Tom...this thing is SOOO lathargic..
(01:54 PM) tomsurf: yes, no life today
(01:54 PM) scorp: s l o w m o t i o n
(01:54 PM) Tom_B: Shrts seem content to stay..., so far
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(01:54 PM) tippet: AMAT after the bell tomorrow
(01:55 PM) Rick_214: yucky area
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(01:57 PM) Rick_214: no indication of sell off
(01:57 PM) Tom_B: COnsidering it's almost 1 cst, SOMETHING shd happen soon
(01:57 PM) p_8: es hod again
(01:58 PM) tomsurf: sox hod too
(01:58 PM) Rick_214: maybe good buy signals here
(02:00 PM) Tom_B: grrr
(02:01 PM) tomsurf: grr?
(02:01 PM) Tom_B: grrr
(02:02 PM) Tom_B: growl :)
(02:02 PM) tomsurf: oh...grrr ;-)
(02:02 PM) Tom_B: new trading term
(02:03 PM) Tom_B: not happy, cud pop & go nowhere ...
(02:03 PM) Rick_214: same
(02:04 PM) nell6: thats the way its been most of the day Tom B
(02:04 PM) Tom_B: Still I'm Bullish
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(02:06 PM) Rick_214: so far put in a low and is holding it
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(02:07 PM) Tom_B: y, need a 1m close ovr 70.5 to thnk abt going lng agn...but
(02:08 PM) Tom_B: that's only me
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(02:09 PM) tippet: starting to look wedgeish on 15min
(02:09 PM) Rick_214: i have very long term PnF's that say more up...shorter term ones in buy mode....
(02:10 PM) Rick_214: it would make sense that this is just wearing out the longs?
(02:12 PM) Rick_214: i said 3 hours ago wouldn't go anywhere for an hour. i was wrong...make that 3
(02:12 PM) Tom_B: On the 15m we hit top of BB's & R1 1468.21, close enough..I'm using somehting diff than Rose
(02:12 PM) donsuelo: Ernmor trap on 15 min nq?
(02:13 PM) Tom_B: Ernmor ?
(02:13 PM) p_8: could be donsuelo
(02:13 PM) tomsurf: TomB- yes Ernmor a good trader that hangs in T's room
(02:13 PM) tomsurf: been around forever
(02:14 PM) Tom_B: tnx
(02:14 PM) FrankT: 1469 Pivot resistance
(02:14 PM) Rick_214: wearing out longs by not turning down...just consolidation
(02:14 PM) p_8: tom_b it's a poke of the upper end of the wedge, then fall
(02:14 PM) Rick_214: 3 humps now?
(02:14 PM) Tom_B: up agnst my #'s, time to DO SOMETHING
(02:14 PM) Daniel X: gosh been waiting all day for this move
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(02:15 PM) tomsurf: Volume doesn't llok right for Ernmor trap to me
(02:15 PM) tippet: 50ma 60 overhead and 200ema15 as well
(02:15 PM) tomsurf: we'll see though
(02:15 PM) Tom_B: Dan, hi..u lng ?
(02:15 PM) Daniel X: 2 trades only today
(02:15 PM) nell6: thats plenty Dan
(02:15 PM) Daniel X: yes from 66
(02:15 PM) Daniel X: lol Nell
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(02:16 PM) Tom_B: trying to punish my bkr :)
(02:16 PM) Daniel X: bought the 50 to 65 breakout after the retest of support at 62
(02:17 PM) Tom_B: not sure wat the deal is now...but bullish
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(02:18 PM) Daniel X: the deal is 70 was res
(02:18 PM) Daniel X: target 79
(02:18 PM) Daniel X: to 81
(02:18 PM) Daniel X: overall 90
(02:18 PM) Tom_B: my #'s 74/83/93
(02:20 PM) Tom_B: needs to hold here...waiting to buy or aside
(02:21 PM) Daniel X: yes needs to hold 70
(02:22 PM) Tom_B: good entry Dan
(02:23 PM) Tom_B: Looking at 30m chrt, this is imp't res
(02:24 PM) Tom_B: talk abt a tease
(02:24 PM) nell6: brks 72 i am long
(02:24 PM) nell6: otherwise watching
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(02:25 PM) Tom_B: tight consolidation is Bullish
(02:25 PM) tomsurf: TomB, yes...and maybe just the beging of 2nd push up ?
(02:25 PM) Tom_B: well... maybe not
(02:26 PM) Tom_B: finger on trigger
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(02:27 PM) Daniel X: out 1/2 @70.50
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(02:28 PM) Daniel X: b/e on the rest
(02:29 PM) Tom_B: nice Dan
(02:29 PM) Daniel X: thnx
(02:29 PM) tippet: 3humps 144t
(02:30 PM) Daniel X: hmmm
(02:30 PM) Tom_B: Now or nevr, imho
(02:31 PM) Daniel X: we need more trades above 70 to turn bullish
(02:32 PM) Tom_B: c'mon Dan...buy some more :)
(02:32 PM) Daniel X: lol
(02:33 PM) Daniel X: yes!
(02:33 PM) Tom_B: grrr
(02:34 PM) Daniel X: macd temptng me tou cut oose
(02:34 PM) Daniel X: ?/lol tto cut loose
(02:34 PM) Daniel X: my kkeyboards i sdrunk
(02:35 PM) nell6: don't blame it
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(02:35 PM) Tom_B: hve a shot, u'll see thngs more clearly
(02:35 PM) raz_62: tight 5 min bars
(02:36 PM) Tom_B: Heck if u really like lng u can get it wit a 2-2.5 pt risk,
(02:36 PM) raz_62: if it broke the top up and didnt move isnt that kinda bearish
(02:37 PM) Daniel X: 69 support though
(02:37 PM) Tom_B: towels being thrown in the ring
(02:37 PM) Tom_B: ?
(02:37 PM) Daniel X: yes lol
(02:37 PM) Daniel X: who's gonna give in first
(02:37 PM) Tom_B: I hve 68 4 a stp
(02:38 PM) Tom_B: not lng here
(02:38 PM) tippet: 4kiss rule 5min ?
(02:41 PM) raz_62: we prolly going up
(02:41 PM) Tom_B: Correction hre
(02:41 PM) p_8: donsuelo, here's your trap..
(02:42 PM) tippet: 20ema5 right below at 66
(02:42 PM) Tom_B: raz...i thnk some retr...don't no hw mch
(02:44 PM) tippet: breaks trendline 144t
(02:44 PM) Tom_B: ANyone know if SMAX shrt 69 ?
(02:44 PM) p_8: don your 1st target is reached
(02:44 PM) QSuzy: TomB...on 2min yes...
(02:45 PM) raz_62: stop at 67
(02:45 PM) Tom_B: tnx Q
(02:45 PM) raz_62: out
(02:45 PM) Daniel X: heard a "ding" was hoping to get filled@75 when i came running..oh well next
(02:45 PM) Tom_B: Now that I"m not trying to trade SMax I'm seeing them better..or maybe today is an easy day, LOL
(02:46 PM) Daniel X: lol
(02:46 PM) Daniel X: easy whats easy...next time you see easy let me know ok
(02:46 PM) Daniel X: i have a bone to pick with him
(02:47 PM) Tom_B: who ?
(02:47 PM) raz_62: pp says its all easy
(02:47 PM) Daniel X: easy
(02:48 PM) p_8: donsuelo, u here?
(02:48 PM) donsuelo: y
(02:48 PM) p_8: did u short that one?
(02:48 PM) raz_62: wouldn't know about that option tom
(02:48 PM) Daniel X: welshman3 your hand is up... you have a question?
(02:48 PM) Daniel X: oh ok
(02:49 PM) donsuelo: no flat
(02:50 PM) plevin: welshman3 - please only type in this room, during market hours
(02:50 PM) qatwo: sorry we can not help you welsh
(02:50 PM) welshman3: ok
(02:50 PM) Daniel X: besides i hear nada
(02:51 PM) Tom_B: 70 res agn
(02:52 PM) Tom_B: Wht is SMAX's position now, on 2 min plse ?
(02:53 PM) QSuzy: TomB...pos but in top 1/3 of bb
(02:53 PM) FrankT: On 3 min not crossed yet
(02:54 PM) Tom_B: tnx
(02:54 PM) QSuzy: could be just a retrace to go short again....I was bitten and stopped out on earlier short
(02:54 PM) ppusa: was 3 humps
(02:54 PM) FrankT: 3 min smax still short
(02:56 PM) QSuzy: yeah....looks now like it was a retrace for continuation short.....hard to tell in these ranges....
(02:57 PM) Tom_B: Y, but trnd is still up... unless we topped out hre...can't tell
(02:59 PM) QSuzy: or 7min.....
(02:59 PM) tippet: notice how humps with retrace morphs into h&s
(02:59 PM) Tom_B: still hitting that res
(03:00 PM) Tom_B: tipp, wht TImefF
(03:00 PM) tippet: shows up best on 144t
(03:00 PM) Tom_B: 1m
(03:00 PM) Tom_B: ?
(03:01 PM) tippet: 3min is also pretty
(03:02 PM) Tom_B: Getting kinda late 4 this thing to just "hang around" don't u thnk ?
(03:02 PM) QSuzy: MACD on 5min and 2min pretty close to zero so can't really trust the signals....
(03:12 PM) Tom_B: i took the bait
(03:13 PM) FrankT: Nice smax trade Tom
(03:14 PM) Tom_B: Frank...didn't take Smax...waites here & pd up for it
(03:14 PM) Tom_B: waited
(03:15 PM) FrankT: smax entry about 1468.50
(03:16 PM) Tom_B: will supp hold ?
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(03:17 PM) ppusa: nq had first leg followed by a correction and then (now) 3 hunps so it better sell off
(03:18 PM) Tom_B: HEY
(03:18 PM) ppusa: personally i think the price action says no sell off
(03:18 PM) tippet: what time fr pp
(03:18 PM) ppusa: 1 min
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(03:19 PM) ppusa: and 5 min
(03:19 PM) tippet: 5min has nice 3 touches
(03:19 PM) ppusa: and 15 min
(03:19 PM) tippet: 2 1/2 humps
(03:19 PM) Tom_B: GO Baby :)
(03:21 PM) Buffy_04364: I see it has been interesting
(03:21 PM) Buffy_04364: company gone finally although it was a nice visit
(03:22 PM) ppusa: i count 3 waves of 3 humps
(03:22 PM) Daniel X: 5 min ..i see 5 humps
(03:22 PM) Daniel X: from bottom
(03:22 PM) Buffy_04364: yes dan
(03:23 PM) Daniel X: ok thought i was of
(03:23 PM) Daniel X: off
(03:23 PM) Daniel X: means nothing i guess
(03:23 PM) ppusa: guess 3 humps only applies in downtrend
(03:23 PM) Tom_B: looking 4 79 hre
(03:23 PM) Daniel X: yes 79 is it
(03:24 PM) Buffy_04364: well T says if you have 4 will have 5 then should reverse right?
(03:24 PM) ppusa: google is sitting long from friday
(03:24 PM) Daniel X: yes the 5 rule
(03:25 PM) Daniel X: i think!!lol
(03:25 PM) Daniel X: is he?
(03:25 PM) Daniel X: good
(03:25 PM) tomsurf: still pp- how ya know?
(03:25 PM) Buffy_04364: scarey thought but whatever works for her
(03:25 PM) Daniel X: from what#
(03:26 PM) Daniel X: ?
(03:26 PM) Buffy_04364: she is a pattern trader daniel
(03:26 PM) Daniel X: the low?
(03:26 PM) Daniel X: oh ok
(03:26 PM) FrankT: Daily chart looks like more up
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(03:26 PM) Tom_B: Still counter trnd..so not exactly running with the herd
(03:27 PM) Daniel X: well... trading up in the 70's shold help the bullish setiment
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(03:28 PM) Daniel X: but because it's so late in the day
(03:28 PM) Tom_B: Dan buy some more
(03:28 PM) Daniel X: i would say it not likely to go to the 90s
(03:28 PM) Daniel X: lol
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(03:29 PM) Tom_B: i thnk many r waiting 4 79ish hope they don't get impatient befor ei do :)
(03:29 PM) Daniel X: he he yes
(03:30 PM) Tom_B: got my stop b/e
(03:30 PM) Daniel X: from?
(03:31 PM) Tom_B: 71.5
(03:31 PM) Daniel X: wow
(03:31 PM) Daniel X: b/e?
(03:31 PM) Daniel X: lock something in at least
(03:31 PM) Daniel X: pay the broker
(03:31 PM) Tom_B: can't tell u hw many times i wanted to bail but it just didn't brk
(03:32 PM) strad -: I have 81 as target
(03:32 PM) Tom_B: prob now is hw much more..i'm out
(03:33 PM) tomsurf: strad- that's where my channel line goes ;-)
(03:33 PM) Daniel X: your out!?
(03:33 PM) Tom_B: b/e 4 me cvrs the bkr
(03:34 PM) Daniel X: still b/e?
(03:34 PM) Tom_B: me, i'm out
(03:34 PM) Daniel X: hmmmm
(03:34 PM) Daniel X: oh ok
(03:34 PM) tomsurf: TomB- congrats and nice patience ;-)
(03:34 PM) strad -: short 80.50
(03:34 PM) Tom_B: tnx... 2 trds 4 da day vs 20 -40,
(03:35 PM) tomsurf: TomB- now ya be talkin, lol
(03:35 PM) Daniel X: don't undersatand those results
(03:35 PM) Tom_B: no 20 - 40 rt's
(03:36 PM) Tom_B: whirling dirvish
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(03:36 PM) Daniel X: 20 points positive with 40 rts?
(03:36 PM) Daniel X: oh ok
(03:37 PM) Tom_B: no...2 trades + 22.5 less 2 comm
(03:37 PM) Daniel X: 20 points positive with 3 rts
(03:37 PM) Daniel X: oh ok ..lol
(03:37 PM) Daniel X: iwas awondering about where you saw 40 RTs!!
(03:37 PM) Buffy_04364: nice tom
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(03:38 PM) Tom_B: Great...I actually relaxed...was reading post Buffy put up on "making it as a Trader"
(03:38 PM) Daniel X: yes beat me by 2.5 and 1 comm
(03:38 PM) Buffy_04364: :-)
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(03:39 PM) Daniel X: actual 12 RTs what am i saying
(03:40 PM) Tom_B: and figured this was a W:4 so want to be on the long side
(03:41 PM) tomsurf: Buffy- where is that article?
(03:43 PM) Tom_B: Think it was something posted to the si sight...I can email it to Dave & he can post if it isn't up on the site somewhere or Buffy doesn't hve if u like
(03:43 PM) tomsurf: TomB- ok, thx
(03:43 PM) Tom_B: Buffy: Do u hve it ?
(03:43 PM) Tocho: How much you are here but no talk ((
(03:44 PM) Daniel X: yes thnx..and i'm gonna call it a day..great pateince every...have a great eveningone
(03:44 PM) Daniel X: lol
(03:44 PM) tomsurf: take care Dan
(03:44 PM) Daniel X: damn keyboard
(03:45 PM) Tom_B: Dervish Trading Co
(03:45 PM) nell6: l8tr dan
(03:45 PM) dave_b_quik: tom, was that article in the "money management" folder that buffy posted a while back?
(03:46 PM) Tom_B: it's recent..I'll email it to u
(03:46 PM) dave_b_quik: dave@dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart.com
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(03:48 PM) Tom_B: same here, ok now
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(03:48 PM) Tom_B: Dave, email sent
(03:48 PM) elly_34: is there an ensign help person here?
(03:48 PM) tomsurf: Strad- nice counter trend trade ya have working for ya ;-0
(03:48 PM) tomsurf: ;-) that is
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(03:50 PM) strad -: covered 73.50 +7
(03:50 PM) Tom_B: strad, nice touch on the shrt
(03:51 PM) Tom_B: You threaded the needle on that oner
(03:51 PM) strad -: thx tom and tom
(03:51 PM) tomsurf: lol
(03:51 PM) strad -: :)
(03:51 PM) tomsurf: 2 tom's no waiting
(03:51 PM) Tom_B: LOL
(03:52 PM) Tom_B: Dave did u get my email ?
(03:55 PM) Buffy_04364: sorry was doing pms to try to fix an ensign problem and got a phone call
(03:55 PM) Buffy_04364: recent tom......hmmm
(03:55 PM) dave_b_quik: ya, thanks, tom, the "My best advice" article, right?
(03:55 PM) Tom_B: i sent it to Dave
(03:56 PM) Tom_B: u took it off the si list
(03:56 PM) Buffy_04364: tks tom
(03:56 PM) Buffy_04364: ok
(03:56 PM) dave_b_quik: buffy, is that article already posted somewhere? or should I post it
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(03:57 PM) Buffy_04364: Michael Watkins wrote it right?
(03:58 PM) Buffy_04364: or something else I found?
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(04:00 PM) Tom_B: y
(04:01 PM) Buffy_04364: we just had a test of high
(04:02 PM) Buffy_04364: ok tom
(04:02 PM) Buffy_04364: bye take care
(04:02 PM) strad -: bye tom
(04:03 PM) Buffy_04364: raz you stopped using your fibs?
(04:04 PM) ppusa: previous low daily chart was 1484...today's high 1481
(04:04 PM) ppusa: either a v bottom or??????
(04:04 PM) Buffy_04364: tks pp
(04:05 PM) scorp: i take the or
(04:06 PM) raz_62: yes couldnt lose enuff that way
(04:06 PM) raz_62: no i am using them
(04:06 PM) Buffy_04364: :-)
(04:06 PM) Buffy_04364: looking at 585
(04:07 PM) raz_62: remember this am when i said 1525 to 35 before much more down
(04:07 PM) Buffy_04364: did you look at long as a 2B?
(04:07 PM) elly_34: is howard around?
(04:08 PM) Buffy_04364: he was here earlier for a few minutes
(04:08 PM) elly_34: k, does he not have an ensign help room anymore?
(04:09 PM) elly_34: darn
(04:09 PM) elly_34: k
(04:09 PM) Buffy_04364: yep
(04:09 PM) Buffy_04364: agree
(04:09 PM) elly_34: i have problems i can't fix
(04:10 PM) Buffy_04364: is it with the data elly?
(04:10 PM) elly_34: hmm
(04:10 PM) elly_34: my dailies have two identical days
(04:10 PM) elly_34: my $compq quit working
(04:10 PM) elly_34: some dailies do not have anything resembling current
(04:10 PM) Buffy_04364: $indu wasn't working this morning for a while
(04:10 PM) elly_34: yes but it is on every chart i bring up
(04:11 PM) elly_34: i wanted just one universal answer
(04:11 PM) Buffy_04364: ick
(04:11 PM) elly_34: $compq has not worked for 10 days
(04:11 PM) Buffy_04364: not that you want to hear that
(04:11 PM) elly_34: basically lots of glitches right now that aren't making me happy
(04:11 PM) elly_34: lol
(04:12 PM) Buffy_04364: I hope it isn't esignals prebeta causing us problems
(04:12 PM) elly_34: well because i watch and bring up various, stocks i notice maybe more problems
(04:13 PM) elly_34: but now it's going into much more annoying things that i can't fix
(04:13 PM) Buffy_04364: only thing I can suggest is to call them
(04:13 PM) elly_34: u do not have the double day?
(04:13 PM) elly_34: on them?
(04:14 PM) elly_34: think i remember that
(04:15 PM) Buffy_04364: don't seem to just checked one of them
(04:16 PM) Buffy_04364: I ended up deleting the files that had that date on them and also had to delete some of the daily charts to finally get rid of it
(04:18 PM) elly_34: yuck
(04:18 PM) Buffy_04364: that turned out to be an esignal error on the date signal sent with data
(04:19 PM) dave_b_quik: i posted the article at www.dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart.com/articles
(04:19 PM) Buffy_04364: tks dave
(04:19 PM) dave_b_quik: along with some others
(04:19 PM) Buffy_04364: nice
(04:20 PM) dave_b_quik: room for lots more
(04:20 PM) Buffy_04364: lots of words of wisdom outthere
(04:20 PM) Buffy_04364: :-)
(04:20 PM) dave_b_quik: :-)
(04:21 PM) Buffy_04364: tested last swing low
(04:21 PM) Buffy_04364: should be interesting tomorrow
(04:23 PM) ppusa: yes
(04:23 PM) ppusa: shold
(04:23 PM) ppusa: should
(04:23 PM) plevin: thanks pp
(04:24 PM) ppusa: see if rally for real
(04:24 PM) QSuzy: Hi plevin.....is your daughter better?
(04:24 PM) plevin: thanks for asking QSuzy - no she is still sick
(04:25 PM) QSuzy: home from hospital yet?
(04:25 PM) mr_toad: Has Thoff been here today?
(04:25 PM) plevin: one sec
(04:25 PM) blurr123: hey, how did smax do today?
(04:28 PM) plevin: sorry for delay - phone rang then Jess came into my office
(04:28 PM) plevin: she is home from hospital, but no better. On 2 drugs, may help in time.
(04:28 PM) plevin: thanks for asking.
(04:28 PM) raz_62: what is wrong
(04:28 PM) plevin: I'm gonna go pickup another med for her, that might help with pain
(04:28 PM) mr_toad: I PM'd Thoff, but it would seem he's not here at the moment. If someone sees him, please tell him I was here looking for him.
(04:29 PM) mr_toad: Bye for now
(04:29 PM) Buffy_04364: will do
(04:29 PM) QSuzy: well, we're thinking 'bout her.....hope she gets better real soon!
(04:30 PM) Buffy_04364: was there talking?
(04:30 PM) Buffy_04364: tks
(04:44 PM) Dotcoza: Hi everyone , I am new here I will pop in tomorrow again like the mood in this "House" cheers
(04:45 PM) Buffy_04364: hi
(04:46 PM) Dotcoza: Thanx, I have been reading some on your site looks good.
(04:46 PM) Buffy_04364: tks
(04:48 PM) Dotcoza: Well it is pretty good as is ,so thanx Dave