Welcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders and TrendVUE.com alumni. Today's charts at www.DaCharts.com WARNING: Any trades posted here are for educational purposes only. Don't take the trades unless you understand them and can take the risk. Paltalk: Click banners to visit our sponsors. (09:31 AM) hanksterr: gm all (09:34 AM) dave_b_quik: gm (09:35 AM) QSuzy: g'morning... (09:36 AM) skyprince_1: g'morn (09:36 AM) ann_87: good morning all (09:37 AM) skyprince_1: (yawn) g'morning (09:37 AM) BrainStorm: Morning all (09:41 AM) ann_87: both es and nq take out globex low (09:45 AM) hanksterr: ann what was globex low (09:46 AM) ann_87: nq 1299.50 (09:46 AM) hanksterr: ty ann (09:47 AM) ann_87: sorry 1278 (09:47 AM) ann_87: the other was globex high Paltalk: Love PalTalk but hate the banners and popups? Go bannerless! Only $9.95 per year! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. (09:51 AM) Buffy_04364: morning all (09:52 AM) Buffy_04364: bear flag? (09:52 AM) Buffy_04364: wow this is quiet - you all must be making money LOL (09:54 AM) QSuzy: hi buffy.... (09:55 AM) Buffy_04364: tks suxy glad to know someone is here (09:55 AM) Buffy_04364: :-) (09:55 AM) Buffy_04364: my brother is into TV at the moment so thought I would drop by (09:57 AM) x21r: last (09:57 AM) dave_b_quik: LOL i'm getting to be a middle east news junkie too (09:58 AM) ann_87: es tested yest's low (09:58 AM) QSuzy: 3rd anthrax case in the news! (09:58 AM) dave_b_quik: oh oh (09:58 AM) dave_b_quik: the market absorbed the 2nd case pretty well (09:59 AM) ppusa: inside daily ranges, SP matched yester low (09:59 AM) Buffy_04364: yes it did Dave (09:59 AM) jimbo_320: gm (09:59 AM) Buffy_04364: don't know about 3 - means more to come (09:59 AM) Buffy_04364: Hi jimbo (10:00 AM) ppusa: report out? (10:01 AM) ann_87: minus 27 tiki (10:02 AM) ppusa: news is Supreme court willn ot hear msft appeal (10:06 AM) Buffy_04364: tks pp (10:06 AM) Buffy_04364: Hey PP enjoyed readying yesterday - nice to see you pay attention to those ghigher lower highs and lows (10:08 AM) ppusa: yes when i remember (10:09 AM) ppusa: think that was on the way up to HOD (10:09 AM) ppusa: how did you like my 70-75 target call (10:11 AM) Buffy_04364: Of course I like it :-) (10:12 AM) BrainStorm: looks like 1 min turned up (10:12 AM) Buffy_04364: yes it might be with the higher low (10:13 AM) Buffy_04364: need confirmation in higher TF or just a scalp ifyou took the trade (10:13 AM) Buffy_04364: pyra fighting TOS (10:13 AM) BrainStorm: no watcing (10:13 AM) BrainStorm: feel its just the days first retrace (10:13 AM) Buffy_04364: figured you were - just making a comment (10:14 AM) Buffy_04364: yep (10:14 AM) Buffy_04364: could be (10:14 AM) Buffy_04364: we need more data to know (10:14 AM) ppusa: have to say in all fairness,early yesterday I thought nq would turn down (10:15 AM) BrainStorm: lots of indescision on the way down mins you (10:15 AM) Buffy_04364: 2 IB on 3M but now a dogi market confused (10:16 AM) ppusa: SP and Dow lower lows today...follow through after a retest of highs? (10:16 AM) BrainStorm: has the down mini started trading btw (10:16 AM) Buffy_04364: yes first monday in oct (10:16 AM) BrainStorm: anyone looking at trading it ? (10:17 AM) BrainStorm: dow makes some nice moves (10:19 AM) ppusa: maybe if it's electronic..fills on big one are awful (10:19 AM) BrainStorm: yes I believeits all electronic (10:19 AM) ppusa: i remember them trading through my priceonce and no fill Paltalk: Please support our sponsors by clicking on banners. (10:21 AM) BrainStorm: dont much like the look of anything at this point (10:22 AM) ppusa: higher lows here (10:22 AM) BrainStorm: retro stopped out yet ? (10:22 AM) ann_87: yes, 2 times (10:22 AM) ppusa: probably turn back (10:23 AM) BrainStorm: 1 and an add anne or 2 times proper Anne ? (10:24 AM) ann_87: 2 times (10:24 AM) dbphoenix: Potential 2B on 3, 5, and 10. (10:24 AM) Buffy_04364: the 15M bounced off the 200ma (10:26 AM) BrainStorm: not sure about taking the first break out from here (10:29 AM) ppusa: new hour (10:30 AM) ann_87: IB 15 min nq (10:30 AM) BrainStorm: quess I'd take a short at 1258 (10:30 AM) BrainStorm: not sure long side (10:33 AM) Orprepus: morning all (10:33 AM) Orprepus: late start here due to isp (10:33 AM) BrainStorm: Hello Orprepus (10:34 AM) Orprepus: hey Brain (10:34 AM) Orprepus: anyone get the short this am? (10:34 AM) kajak: hello (10:34 AM) BrainStorm: missed it (10:35 AM) dave_b_quik: it was a nice 2B top on the NQ2m, but i missed it (10:36 AM) Orprepus: looks like yesterday - but today SOX is giving everything back (10:37 AM) Orprepus: tick on the negative side most the am I see (10:37 AM) Orprepus: oops spoke to soon (10:37 AM) dave_b_quik: my 9 yo is home sick from school, so he's paper trading (10:38 AM) Orprepus: hehe (10:38 AM) Orprepus: first time (10:38 AM) Orprepus: like in vegas - always a winner (10:38 AM) dave_b_quik: he's done it a few times before, little scalper (10:39 AM) Orprepus: have you ever taken any other the trades (10:39 AM) dave_b_quik: of his trades? not yet (10:40 AM) Orprepus: yes - other=of (10:40 AM) dbphoenix: 2Bs on 3 and 5 (10:42 AM) Ensign Software: hi, (10:43 AM) dave_b_quik: morning howard (10:44 AM) dave_b_quik: looks like my 9yo's style today is grail trades on the NQ 30t, so far 3 for 3 and up 13 points (10:45 AM) Ensign Software: A user reported that the Locked Studies box did not retain studies on a chart when scrolling to a new symbol, so that was fixed and posted as Oct 9th version, just in case anyone is using the Oct 8th version. Will be in Ensign room if anyone has questions for me. (10:45 AM) Ensign Software: is Buffy here and watching, or is she away or busy?? (10:46 AM) dave_b_quik: she stopped in for a while, but she's been busy with her guests (10:47 AM) Ensign Software: ok, guests, did not know but suspected something was different (10:47 AM) Ensign Software: bye (10:50 AM) hanksterr: Dave, start a little retro stats lol Paltalk: Press the INVITE button NOW! Get your friends in on the fun! Invite them to join us on PalTalk today! (10:51 AM) dave_b_quik: ya, good idea hank, Lil Scalper stats (10:55 AM) elly_34: good orning (10:55 AM) elly_34: morning that is (10:57 AM) Orprepus: yeah elly i have had one of those ornings too (11:04 AM) BrainStorm: everyone quiet today? (11:06 AM) Orprepus: yes we are (11:07 AM) jam_27: Hey Orp., does your magic ball say chop all day? (11:07 AM) Orprepus: yes (11:07 AM) Orprepus: it isn't magic (11:08 AM) Orprepus: it is a basketball (11:08 AM) jam_27: Thanks for the good news (11:08 AM) Orprepus: bounce bounce bounce (11:08 AM) Orprepus: like chop chop chop (11:08 AM) jam_27: What don't you just let the air out. (11:09 AM) Orprepus: next week (11:09 AM) jam_27: ok (11:09 AM) Orprepus: it might be a bowling ball (11:19 AM) ppusa: lawn bowling (11:19 AM) Orprepus: you play (11:19 AM) ppusa: yawn bowling (11:20 AM) Orprepus: there you go (11:20 AM) ppusa: secret chart suggesting afternoon break Paltalk: You DO have a choice! Buy bannerless to end your popup blues today! Click OPTIONS on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. Only $9.95 a year! That's less than THREE CENTS per day! WOW!!! (11:21 AM) Orprepus: which way PP (11:21 AM) Orprepus: up (11:21 AM) ppusa: ? (11:21 AM) TraderWish: any thing to be done ehre guys (11:21 AM) BrainStorm: back into the earlier range (11:21 AM) jam_27: Orp, are you trading with pyra point yet are just testing? (11:22 AM) TraderWish: any thing to learn to or to gain ? (11:22 AM) Orprepus: yes i use - but just to help clarify resistance & support (11:22 AM) Orprepus: I do not use it for entries (11:23 AM) jam_27: effective? (11:23 AM) Orprepus: helps me with exits though (11:23 AM) TraderWish: i guess you guys know each other and i have no place here do I ? (11:23 AM) Orprepus: working ok for me (11:23 AM) ppusa: hang out (11:23 AM) ppusa: slow day (11:23 AM) Orprepus: chop day (11:24 AM) Orprepus: traderwish - we mainly type so that we can archive the day at www.dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart.com (11:24 AM) Orprepus: check it out (11:24 AM) ppusa: gone (11:24 AM) Orprepus: such is life (11:26 AM) Orprepus: love is like a butterfly - sometimes they land and other times flutter away or get blown away in the storm (11:26 AM) dave_b_quik: i always wondered about that (11:26 AM) Orprepus: hehe (11:27 AM) jam_27: or get wings picked off (11:27 AM) Orprepus: lol (11:27 AM) Orprepus: jam - don't want to here about hand cuffs - save that for another room (11:27 AM) ppusa: 10 point said reverse from 82. (11:28 AM) jam_27: thought we could spice things up (11:28 AM) Orprepus: need something to break the grind (11:28 AM) jam_27: so true (11:29 AM) ppusa: what we have here, is a failure to follow through (11:29 AM) jam_27: I had paper traded a trnd system for about a year , a lot of good it does me now. (11:30 AM) ppusa: triangle. which ever way breaks shold continue (11:30 AM) Orprepus: hehe (11:30 AM) Orprepus: did it break yet (11:30 AM) ppusa: no (11:31 AM) Orprepus: what tf (11:31 AM) ppusa: all (11:31 AM) ppusa: daily, hour, minute, second (11:32 AM) ppusa: started new hour (11:32 AM) Orprepus: pp did you short this thing (11:32 AM) ppusa: actually maybe last dip would be considered by triangle expert buffy as poke bar and take the follow through if there is any (11:33 AM) ppusa: i was early and then got po'd on move to 82 (11:33 AM) ppusa: sold at 78 but covered (11:33 AM) ppusa: and 64.5 covered and... (11:34 AM) ppusa: waiting to see if makes new high on hour chart and then sell when starts breaking down afterwards (11:34 AM) ppusa: 58-64 range (11:35 AM) ppusa: like yesterday's trade at 84 breaking to 68 area (11:36 AM) Orprepus: ES in the down channel on 2 & 4M PP (11:37 AM) Orprepus: hit bos on 2m for a bounce (11:37 AM) ppusa: wouldn't be surprised if held and maade newhighs (11:38 AM) ppusa: here is new high on hour chart...now see if starts back down (11:39 AM) ppusa: so far interpretation is bounce and retesting LOD which so far has held. (11:39 AM) dbphoenix: Jimmer, you here? (11:45 AM) ppusa: see how easy that was. (11:46 AM) ppusa: sold off the high of that hour bar as it started down and now i am short 50 nq (11:47 AM) Orprepus: nice (11:47 AM) ppusa: that's it? nice? (11:48 AM) ppusa: what r u short 100? (11:48 AM) Orprepus: nice trade entry at high of hour bar (11:49 AM) Orprepus: short from 63 on ES (11:49 AM) ppusa: out Paltalk: To visit our sponsors, click on banners! (11:51 AM) ppusa: i still don't know what the overall picture is. Probably continue down and that bounce will count as the test of the high. (11:51 AM) ppusa: brb (11:51 AM) ppusa: daily charts could be constued as still oversold so clueless longer term...brb (11:52 AM) Roger Schelling: tried a long here Orp, 1059.25, stop BE, pretty choppy (11:53 AM) BrainStorm: thats me done for the am time for a nap...see you later (11:53 AM) Roger Schelling: so much for that (11:53 AM) Orprepus: tough day (11:55 AM) jimmer49: Just got back from meeting. (11:55 AM) Orprepus: hey jimmer (11:55 AM) Orprepus: have not missed much (11:56 AM) jimmer49: Any news happen? (11:57 AM) Orprepus: CSCO given "BUY" rating from JPM (12:05 PM) dbphoenix: Instead of looking for a terrorist connection to the Anthrax infections, they ought to be looking for disgruntled actors. (12:05 PM) dbphoenix: Maybe they'll start on the Enquirer next. (12:07 PM) jimbo_320: ga (12:07 PM) Orprepus: whats that "ga" (12:07 PM) jimbo_320: good afternoon (12:07 PM) Orprepus: whhhatttzzzz uuuuppp (12:07 PM) jimbo_320: doc (12:08 PM) Orprepus: hey jimbo (12:08 PM) jimbo_320: hey superpro (12:08 PM) Orprepus: lolo (12:08 PM) Orprepus: Whhammmoo (12:08 PM) Orprepus: jimbo request line is now open (12:09 PM) ppusa: PF (12:09 PM) Orprepus: some chop music please (12:09 PM) Orprepus: great (12:09 PM) ppusa: so you think you can tell (12:09 PM) ppusa: blue skies from (12:11 PM) ppusa: Tom are you still long? (12:11 PM) ppusa: sorry Roger (12:11 PM) Orprepus: clap clap (12:11 PM) jimbo_320: bows (12:11 PM) Orprepus: alright (12:12 PM) ppusa: encore (12:12 PM) ppusa: matches lit (12:12 PM) ppusa: if nq breaks 1282, i will try some longs (12:13 PM) ppusa: LZ (12:13 PM) ppusa: there's alady who knows (12:13 PM) ppusa: all that glitters is gold (12:13 PM) ppusa: and she's buying the stairway to heaven (12:14 PM) ppusa: and it makes you wonder (12:15 PM) jimbo_320: then he plays the solo and i give up (12:15 PM) Orprepus: great job (12:15 PM) Orprepus: clap clap (12:15 PM) Orprepus: light the lighter (12:16 PM) jimbo_320: anyone trading this? (12:16 PM) Orprepus: been short since 63 on es (12:16 PM) Orprepus: grind grind grind (12:16 PM) Orprepus: like going to the dentist (12:17 PM) ppusa: i believe (12:17 PM) jimbo_320: hokey dokey, 65 is the pivot today (12:17 PM) ppusa: there will be a late day trend (12:17 PM) Roger Schelling: long since 1059.75, stop BE (12:18 PM) jimbo_320: roger did you reckon about 1000 contracts a min volume on es made good charts work, cant remember what you said (12:19 PM) Roger Schelling: jimbo, i have a line crawn at 500 for the 1 min chart (12:19 PM) jimbo_320: ok thanks roger 500 min (12:19 PM) Roger Schelling: we are well below that and spend omost of these days below that, seems like sure chopp below that Paltalk: Subscribe to Paltalk Plus to stop the popups today! Get it NOW for less than THREE CENTS a day! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. (12:20 PM) jimbo_320: tailed right of this last 5 mins 60 contracts min now (12:21 PM) ppusa: this am traders went short at 79-81 area. Notice how the bounce to 82 hit all their tight stops (12:22 PM) ppusa: nq (12:23 PM) 7th_Sphincter: Given the current situation, I have advised all my people to cork each one of their cavities. (12:23 PM) 7th_Sphincter: And that's alot of corks! (12:25 PM) ppusa: 6 point PnF due for reversal (12:26 PM) ppusa: thinking about a short near here (12:26 PM) jimbo_320: hope you dont mind (12:26 PM) Orprepus: nice to hear (12:28 PM) ppusa: new hour coming up 2 minutes (12:28 PM) Buffy_04364: hi all back again (12:28 PM) dave_b_quik: howard was looking for you (12:28 PM) Buffy_04364: nice time to come back!!!!!!!! (12:28 PM) Buffy_04364: thanks Jimbo (12:29 PM) Buffy_04364: I found him (12:29 PM) Buffy_04364: that is where I have been for part of missing time tks (12:29 PM) Hollie_: //\\ (12:29 PM) Hollie_: // (12:29 PM) Hollie_: \\ (12:29 PM) Hollie_: // (12:29 PM) Orprepus: hey buffy (12:29 PM) Buffy_04364: he needed to fix program for something I wanted (12:29 PM) Buffy_04364: that wasn't working right (12:29 PM) ppusa: hollie are you singing? (12:29 PM) Buffy_04364: taxed his allerts (12:29 PM) Buffy_04364: hey orp (12:29 PM) Buffy_04364: how going (12:30 PM) Buffy_04364: brother over working on neighbors computer with ME I know nothing about ME (12:30 PM) Hollie_: dancing (12:30 PM) Buffy_04364: tapping toe (12:30 PM) Buffy_04364: :-) (12:30 PM) Orprepus: missed the openig due to isp problems (12:31 PM) Buffy_04364: not nice (12:31 PM) Buffy_04364: my isp back to sparodically bouncing my mail (12:31 PM) Buffy_04364: :-( (12:31 PM) Buffy_04364: can not wait to have a machine on cable modem for backup (12:31 PM) Orprepus: bar keepr - cervesa for all my friends (12:31 PM) Buffy_04364: ? (12:31 PM) Buffy_04364: nice Jimbo (12:31 PM) Buffy_04364: thanks (12:32 PM) Buffy_04364: tks for telling him I had guests dave (12:33 PM) Buffy_04364: he was looking for me last night as confused over emails I sent (12:34 PM) ppusa: sold 2 by accident (12:34 PM) ppusa: bot an extra to cover by accident (12:34 PM) ppusa: love Pats (12:34 PM) Buffy_04364: as long as it stays connected right pp (12:34 PM) Orprepus: lolo (12:34 PM) Buffy_04364: has that gotten better (12:35 PM) ppusa: actually has stayed connected...unfortunately (12:35 PM) ppusa: little slow sometimes (12:35 PM) Buffy_04364: :-) (12:35 PM) ppusa: but faster than alternatives (12:35 PM) Buffy_04364: you are so funny sometimes (12:35 PM) Buffy_04364: I like it (12:36 PM) ppusa: sold 2 at 56, covered 55.5 and 2 at 55, sold the extra at 55.5 (12:36 PM) ppusa: what a mess (12:36 PM) Buffy_04364: nice bailout for mistake (12:36 PM) Buffy_04364: could of been lot worse (12:37 PM) ppusa: was trying to type PalTalk with a Pats order up. Hit send and order went (12:37 PM) ppusa: enter (12:37 PM) Orprepus: ouch (12:38 PM) Orprepus: cat stevens - great (12:39 PM) Buffy_04364: yep which window in focus really can change what you think you are doing (12:40 PM) Buffy_04364: clap clap clap (12:40 PM) Buffy_04364: thanks (12:42 PM) ppusa: isp got bumped (12:42 PM) Buffy_04364: not your day be careful (12:42 PM) Buffy_04364: I have those too (12:42 PM) ppusa: so i added up the damage...+.04 (12:43 PM) Buffy_04364: yep nice bailout (12:43 PM) ppusa: one of my better trades (12:43 PM) ppusa: that's 4 cents (12:43 PM) jimbo_320: had a power cut earlier, lucky i wanst in a trade (12:44 PM) ppusa: was thinking about holding the extra long...definately did not want tob e short...higher lows (12:44 PM) Buffy_04364: hmmm everyone having problems today? (12:44 PM) jimbo_320: anyone have an uninteruptible power supply (12:44 PM) Buffy_04364: yes very lucky Jimbo (12:44 PM) jimbo_320: ? (12:44 PM) ppusa: yes (12:44 PM) ppusa: several (12:44 PM) jimbo_320: how much? (12:44 PM) ppusa: don't buy a blackoutbuster (12:45 PM) ppusa: APC works great (12:45 PM) jimbo_320: is that a make? (12:45 PM) ppusa: y (12:45 PM) Orprepus: APC is the best (12:45 PM) ppusa: costco has some good price but never tried them (12:45 PM) jimbo_320: how long until they run flat? (12:45 PM) ppusa: depends on (12:45 PM) ppusa: rating and things connected (12:46 PM) ppusa: 15-45 minutes unless spend$$$ (12:46 PM) jimbo_320: how much for a single pc and monitor? (12:46 PM) ppusa: i have 600 VA 180 buckos (12:46 PM) ppusa: probably run45 min with a 600 (12:46 PM) jimbo_320: one pc monitor = 15 mins (12:46 PM) ppusa: 30-45 (12:47 PM) ppusa: if you get a 300 VA or whatever the rating is 15 min (12:47 PM) ppusa: mine is set to run only 1 monitor and pc...other stuff will go down (12:48 PM) jimbo_320: are there car battery size? (12:48 PM) jimbo_320: they (12:48 PM) ppusa: smaller (12:48 PM) jimbo_320: cool (12:48 PM) ppusa: the overall size is (12:49 PM) ppusa: longer and shorter (12:49 PM) Sully1: Don't forget to plug your cable modem into the APC also , or the whole exercize is pointless. (12:49 PM) ppusa: but the battery inside is smaller than car bat (12:49 PM) jimbo_320: they plug between the wall socket and the computer? (12:49 PM) ppusa: y (12:50 PM) jimbo_320: y sully good point (12:50 PM) ppusa: i get elect loss here occasionally...a must Paltalk: Please visit our advertisers by clicking on banners. (12:50 PM) ppusa: where i used to live, overloaded the circuit breaker occasinally (12:50 PM) jimbo_320: we seem to get it too frequently, the last cut was a month ago off for 8 hours (12:50 PM) ppusa: something about half dozen monitors (12:51 PM) ppusa: anyone tradiing? (12:51 PM) jimbo_320: lod test on es (12:51 PM) Orprepus: still short (12:52 PM) Orprepus: you know me (12:52 PM) Buffy_04364: I have APC also and a battery strip for the modems and small stuff (12:52 PM) Buffy_04364: works well (12:52 PM) ppusa: sp has better down trend than nq (12:52 PM) jimbo_320: u guys are well set up (12:52 PM) ppusa: y..i like APC (12:52 PM) jimbo_320: $180? (12:53 PM) ppusa: if i remember correctly (12:53 PM) Buffy_04364: well too much for the two apc backups so added the battery strip and that was just enough to make it all right (12:53 PM) ppusa: a 600 VA is a man's UPS (12:54 PM) Buffy_04364: uneven power causes many problems and funky behavior in a computer (12:54 PM) jimbo_320: lets see if 58 can become resist or this is chop (12:54 PM) ppusa: Buffy what is a battery strip? (12:54 PM) Buffy_04364: had no idea my power wa sso bad until I got the APC and it was beeping when the lights were not even flickering (12:54 PM) ppusa: 15 minute looks like it is about to break loose with a sell off (12:54 PM) Buffy_04364: it is like a surge protectory but has battery to keep things running (12:54 PM) Buffy_04364: also made by (12:54 PM) Buffy_04364: APC (12:55 PM) ppusa: sounds like the same thing as a UPS (12:55 PM) Buffy_04364: cable modem, router, etc in it - yes but more plugs (12:55 PM) Buffy_04364: that are battery backup (12:55 PM) Buffy_04364: not for cpu (12:55 PM) Buffy_04364: will handle monitor if a newer one (12:56 PM) ppusa: maybe what you are referriing to as an APC is a surge protector (12:56 PM) Buffy_04364: NO (12:56 PM) Buffy_04364: it beeps just like the ups (12:56 PM) Buffy_04364: when power amuck (12:56 PM) Buffy_04364: brb (12:56 PM) ppusa: hummm, i will peruse my catalogs (12:56 PM) Buffy_04364: they have them on their website (12:56 PM) Buffy_04364: that is also how I knew they were out there (12:58 PM) ppusa: speculating here for aqm moment (12:58 PM) ppusa: a moment (12:59 PM) ppusa: if nq moved up to closer to 82, the high bounce, this would satisfy secret chart and could be the last bounce before the selloff (12:59 PM) jimbo_320: nice lod bounce (12:59 PM) ppusa: of course, nq could go to new highs or could go straight lower from here (01:00 PM) jimbo_320: i'm sure we will retest later (01:00 PM) ppusa: the high? (01:00 PM) jimbo_320: low (01:01 PM) ppusa: how about now? (01:01 PM) jimbo_320: was a hvb on 3min es (well for lunch time) (01:02 PM) ppusa: i would like to see a bounce to get everyone long then head down later but i don't always get what i want (01:02 PM) jimbo_320: see what happens at 60 first (01:04 PM) Orprepus: pp what does secret chart say about this DT & DB (01:04 PM) ppusa: DT DB? (01:05 PM) ppusa: double top, bottom (01:05 PM) Orprepus: double top & double bottom to first bar (01:05 PM) Buffy_04364: BOS has help in pyra (01:05 PM) Orprepus: 2nd bar match 1st bar high (01:06 PM) Orprepus: 4th bar match 1st bar low (01:06 PM) ppusa: secret chart really not saying to much...I would like to see the bounce i referred to because i think it would complete the retracement and test of high that so far has been successful or unsuccessful depending on vocab (01:07 PM) Orprepus: right (01:07 PM) ppusa: regardless of secret chart, ma's have come together and which ever way the break is, i think will continue (01:08 PM) ppusa: the way the news is not effecting and the Dow down only 16, i am more + than - (01:08 PM) jimbo_320: 430 ticks (01:08 PM) Buffy_04364: posted pyra (01:09 PM) ppusa: but since Dow and Sp lower lows, been playing mostly shorts (01:09 PM) ppusa: here is bounce i referred to (01:09 PM) ppusa: big bear flag??? or new highs (01:15 PM) jimbo_320: sold 1/2 es +4 (01:16 PM) Buffy_04364: time line inpyra (01:17 PM) jimbo_320: out the rest (01:18 PM) ppusa: who's your daddy? (01:18 PM) jimbo_320: big hangman on 3min (01:18 PM) ppusa: chalk this one up to secret chart (01:19 PM) Buffy_04364: big gravestone on 3m - opposit of hangman unless not looking at same candle jimbo (01:19 PM) jimbo_320: es? (01:20 PM) ppusa: next question, where is next move Paltalk: Your friends are just a click away! Press the invite button NOW! (01:20 PM) jimbo_320: lod test (01:21 PM) ppusa: indu and SP have had nice retracements from the spike (01:23 PM) ppusa: either way or no way (01:26 PM) ppusa: http://www.apcc.com/template/country_selection.cfm?error=1&ref_page_type=home&ref_url=http://www.apcc.com/index.cfm (01:30 PM) jimbo_320: es certainly giving its best shot (01:31 PM) ppusa: new hour just began (01:37 PM) ppusa: everytime i try to cover a short i see triple digit size in ask column (01:37 PM) ppusa: never see these guys selling (01:38 PM) ppusa: so far nq is fitting the sell off scenario to a "T" (01:39 PM) ppusa: flat here as i missed the sell of the rally (01:40 PM) jam_27: i'v got lod on es at 56, is that right? (01:41 PM) Orprepus: so far (01:41 PM) jam_27: thanks (01:41 PM) Orprepus: es right (01:41 PM) jam_27: yes (01:42 PM) jam_27: are thinking it will break through this afternoon/ (01:43 PM) ppusa: everytime the Dow and SP drop a little, nq rallys (01:45 PM) Buffy_04364: ticki says accumulation (01:46 PM) Buffy_04364: couldn't get through TOS (01:46 PM) Buffy_04364: maybe this time? (01:46 PM) jimbo_320: orp still short? (01:47 PM) Orprepus: no coverd at 59 for 4pts (01:47 PM) Orprepus: lucky i guess (01:47 PM) Roger Schelling: long again 1058.75 stop BE, broker is happy (01:48 PM) jimbo_320: still short from 61 (01:49 PM) Orprepus: my 4m shows 2 of 123 (01:49 PM) jimbo_320: should of covered when you did orp (01:50 PM) Orprepus: 4m also looking liek inverted HS (01:50 PM) Orprepus: liek = new way of spelling like Paltalk: Go bannerless and support PalTalk! Subscribe today! Only $9.95 a year! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. (01:50 PM) Orprepus: still in need of dynamic spell checker (01:51 PM) jam_27: dynamic something (01:52 PM) jimbo_320: 3rd test of downtrend line (01:58 PM) jimbo_320: going to bust outa this range soon (01:59 PM) Orprepus: but which way? (01:59 PM) Orprepus: up my guess (02:00 PM) dbphoenix: Volume may not be sufficient. (02:00 PM) Orprepus: pp what do those pnf say (02:01 PM) ppusa: let me nap (02:02 PM) ppusa: PnF says gets signals, currently in none (02:03 PM) Orprepus: quick call his broker and transfer the funds (02:03 PM) Orprepus: opps he's back (02:03 PM) Buffy_04364: :-) (02:03 PM) ppusa: had nice nap (02:03 PM) Orprepus: ok thank you (02:03 PM) ppusa: another reason why i think market will have some cintinuation (02:03 PM) ppusa: con (02:05 PM) Orprepus: there you go jimbo (02:07 PM) ppusa: i think if markets were going to turn up, there would be more + reflected in stats (02:08 PM) dbphoenix: No trend in any timeframe less than daily. (02:12 PM) jimbo_320: out 1/2 +4.25 (02:12 PM) Orprepus: great (02:19 PM) dbphoenix: Electricity out in Kabul. Now they can't run their Cuisinarts. Paltalk: Please support our sponsors by clicking on banners. (02:28 PM) ppusa: this has to be the worst day of trading yet (02:28 PM) ppusa: 12 tick range (02:29 PM) ppusa: daily range 48 points so could expand (02:32 PM) dbphoenix: Starting to look like a descending triangle. (02:37 PM) ppusa: nq is still holding weekly low 46.5 from yesterdaay and is still holding above two week ago high of 29.5 (02:38 PM) dbphoenix: The low from the 5th seems like a reasonable target. (02:39 PM) ppusa: inside week, inside day inside hour inside 1/2 hour (02:40 PM) skyprince_1: Retro getting chopped up real good...standing aside... (02:40 PM) Buffy_04364: it is winding up PP (02:40 PM) jimmer49: I notice a curious lack of interest in Retro lately. (02:41 PM) skyprince_1: Worked great yesterday.... (02:42 PM) ppusa: sure looks like wants to go up because it won't sell off regardless of news, etc (02:42 PM) skyprince_1: Just need to be willing to take all those small losses... (02:43 PM) ppusa: secret chart low is holding LOD (02:43 PM) jimmer49: Sky - how many points for retro yesterday? (02:43 PM) skyprince_1: 28 jimmer (02:45 PM) jimmer49: Net positive today? (02:45 PM) skyprince_1: Counting (02:46 PM) skyprince_1: Up 2.5...three 5 pt losses in a row.... (02:47 PM) jimmer49: Thanks (02:47 PM) Orprepus: agree pp (02:47 PM) Orprepus: afternoon bounce (02:48 PM) Orprepus: or chop (02:48 PM) Orprepus: out (02:48 PM) skyprince_1: I use candles....on 15M, never seen so many tails...shadows...UGH! Paltalk: Are banners a bummer and popups a pain? Cure your banner blues NOW for $9.95 a year! Click HELP on your Pal List then select Bannerless PalTalk to subscribe now! No banners! No Popups! Fast video in all groups! (02:52 PM) dbphoenix: That DTL seems pretty formidable. (02:53 PM) wayne_53: skyprince....You say retro did 28 pts yesterday. Was that on NQ? I got killed on ES, very choppy. Did you not trade a lot yesterday (02:53 PM) skyprince_1: Wow! This is fun...worked all day....13 trades to end up at BE....gotta love it! (02:53 PM) dbphoenix: How 'bout a sell-off or gap down to 1225 tomorrow, then an all-day rally? (02:53 PM) skyprince_1: IT was on NQ wayne...yes, lost of trades.... (02:54 PM) wayne_53: Do you know how many trades yesterday (02:55 PM) skyprince_1: hang on...looking (02:55 PM) wayne_53: skyprince..... Are you using 15m/5m charts for retro NQ (02:57 PM) skyprince_1: Yes, using 15/5....20 trades yesterday....am a retro newbie and probably overtrade (not standing aside enough)...but made 28 pts yesterday...today is BE. (02:57 PM) skyprince_1: That includes adds (02:58 PM) skyprince_1: Big time support in NQ at 1250-1252 (02:58 PM) jimmer49: I continue to believe that there are other mechanical systems simpler than Retro that would give better results (02:58 PM) wayne_53: thnx skyprince (02:59 PM) skyprince_1: When you find one jimmer...let us know! :) (03:00 PM) jimmer49: I am working on a couple. One is a macd system. But even if i come up with it I probably won't trade it, because I think discretionary trading works much better with discipline. (03:01 PM) dbphoenix: I wanted to ask you earlier if there was a MACD signal just before 1100. (03:01 PM) jimmer49: Might trade it as a sedondary method in different account. (03:02 PM) dbphoenix: On the 5m, that is. (03:02 PM) jimmer49: Looking db (03:02 PM) jimmer49: 1100 eastern? (03:02 PM) dbphoenix: yeah (03:04 PM) jimmer49: MACD conservative sell 0755 (03:04 PM) jimmer49: That was the best trade of the day. Wish I had been here then. (03:05 PM) dbphoenix: Thought so. I haven't traded it yet as I'm still evaluating it. But I like it so far. (03:05 PM) dbphoenix: That's the only tradeable signal I've seen today, other than the very beginning of the day. (03:05 PM) ppusa: PnF here no buy or sell signals on any charts (03:07 PM) jimmer49: Only thing lately has been to enter at extremes near bb and hope for scalp on mini reversal (03:08 PM) dbphoenix: I would have shorted the open if it had gotten closer to 1300, but I didn't want to be snagged. Then there was no entry opportunity till we got to 1270. (03:09 PM) pete77_1: I had a Mike Brun double loop ES sell on the 300 tick chart at 0956 CST. got in but out too early - was good for almost 8 pts (03:10 PM) dbphoenix: That's the one I was referring to. The way I trade, it would have been good for 14 points. Didn't take it, though, since I'm still evaluating it. (03:10 PM) dbphoenix: Oops. Sorry. I was referring to NQ. Never mind. (03:12 PM) wayne_53: jimmer.....what setting are you using on your MACD (03:13 PM) jimmer49: 3,11,17 and also 3,11,6. That conservative sell was using 17 (03:14 PM) jimmer49: 3,11,17 is what Mike Bruns uses (03:15 PM) wayne_53: thnx (03:15 PM) ppusa: i had a hard core nap signal at around 9:00 pst!!! (03:15 PM) jimmer49: what time frame? (03:15 PM) jimmer49: lol (03:15 PM) Daniel X: good afternoon everyone. (03:15 PM) Ensign Software: hi (03:15 PM) Orprepus: hey dan (03:15 PM) Orprepus: hey howard (03:16 PM) Daniel X: how r all of you doing (03:16 PM) Daniel X: ? (03:16 PM) jimbo_320: you missed a fab trading day (03:16 PM) Orprepus: welcome welcome (03:16 PM) Daniel X: decided to take the whole week off (03:16 PM) Orprepus: smart (03:17 PM) jimbo_320: spend some of this ill gotten gains :-o (03:17 PM) Daniel X: really Jimbo ...whre we at on the fytures my Data comp isn,t even on!!? (03:17 PM) Orprepus: lol - wa going to tell him he missed you playing (03:17 PM) Daniel X: gave soem back Jimbo? is that what u mean by spending!!!LOL (03:18 PM) jimbo_320: sorry dan, still up on the day :-) (03:18 PM) jimbo_320: $300 a contract (03:18 PM) Daniel X: how was Retro today? (03:18 PM) skyprince_1: Retro--UGH! (03:18 PM) Daniel X: oh Good Jimbo. (03:19 PM) Daniel X: Choppy day for Retro? (03:19 PM) skyprince_1: Putting it mildly (03:19 PM) Daniel X: woah (03:19 PM) jimbo_320: i meant have you been spending some of your ill gotten gains ! (03:20 PM) Daniel X: oh "me" oh ok i gotcha...LOL (03:20 PM) jimbo_320: big trin move up Paltalk: Multivideo has been activated in all Paltalk groups!!! With Paltalk 4.0 (available from our beta link on our homepage), you can see up to three people in every group. Paltalk Plus subscribers can see people in full motion video. (03:22 PM) Daniel X: as soon as i heard the news on the attack on Afghanistan i decided to let the War settle in the market first...should be about a week i hope at the most (03:22 PM) jimbo_320: i am going to call it a day, chop making me giddy (03:22 PM) Daniel X: lowest volume yesterday since 9/11 (03:22 PM) Daniel X: wise decision Jimbo (03:23 PM) Ensign Software: for Wed Ensign training class, what is the preference for discussion chosen from these 3 ideas: (03:23 PM) Daniel X: PPUSA must still be napping ..i don't see him around...typimg (03:23 PM) jimbo_320: with 70% of the afgans already deserting the war could be over by next monday LOL (03:23 PM) ppusa: i m hr (03:23 PM) Ensign Software: 1) Chart controls, resizing, scales modes, bar spacing, study window, bar data panel, etc (03:23 PM) Daniel X: LOL JIMBO!!!! (03:23 PM) Ensign Software: 2) review some more studies and their formulas (03:24 PM) Daniel X: hey ur awake PP! (03:24 PM) ppusa: y (03:24 PM) Ensign Software: 3) show ESPL example for programming a user defined study (03:24 PM) Daniel X: how was it yestreday? (03:24 PM) ppusa: Yesterday was fine (03:24 PM) Ensign Software: what is the vote for 1, 2 or 3. Class is tomorrow, but help me pick the subject. thkx (03:24 PM) jimbo_320: and 5mill reward for BL, i'd bet plenty of afgans ready to give hime away (03:24 PM) ppusa: today disaster (03:24 PM) QSuzy: Howard....I vote for (1).....charts! (03:25 PM) Daniel X: isaw a 60 point range yesterday so i guess it was tradable and today disaster? (03:25 PM) Daniel X: whats the range (03:25 PM) Daniel X: ? (03:25 PM) ppusa: since scalp losses exceed profits per trade have to have majority of winners. Not today (03:25 PM) Daniel X: ouch (03:25 PM) Daniel X: what the days range? (03:26 PM) ppusa: 1254 to 1264 (03:26 PM) Ensign Software: NQ 48.5 (03:26 PM) Orprepus: howard I vote for 1 also (03:26 PM) Daniel X: what!!!! (03:26 PM) Daniel X: 20 points (03:26 PM) Daniel X: ? (03:26 PM) Orprepus: interested in scale (03:26 PM) Daniel X: not even? (03:26 PM) ppusa: might as well be (03:26 PM) Orprepus: especially on studies (03:26 PM) ppusa: 51-99.5 (03:27 PM) ppusa: 48.5 (03:27 PM) Daniel X: oh noooo not back to the summer 40 point range days!!! (03:27 PM) Daniel X: yuck (03:27 PM) ppusa: today worst day i've ever seen (03:27 PM) Orprepus: it is the wind up before the next pitch (03:27 PM) jimbo_320: today has been trading with trend, but very choppy, i used no stops today (03:27 PM) ppusa: had one nice pop intraday (03:28 PM) jimbo_320: which was not wise since i had a power cut as well (03:28 PM) skyprince_1: Will it break? (03:28 PM) Daniel X: wow no stops....whats the most it went against you Jimbo? (03:28 PM) Orprepus: today is chop day two (03:28 PM) Orprepus: tomorrow trend day one (03:28 PM) Orprepus: maybe (03:29 PM) Daniel X: chop week possibly (03:29 PM) ppusa: worst part is kinda knew what would happen (03:29 PM) ppusa: said late day selloff (03:29 PM) Orprepus: agree on week - but got to have a few trend days in the week (03:29 PM) ann_87: yest low 1248.50 (03:29 PM) Daniel X: i know ..PP..i had to leave the house as not to get tempted to turn on the comp!!! (03:30 PM) jimbo_320: couple of es, i am going to use a crash stop minimum next time (03:30 PM) Orprepus: heeh (03:30 PM) jimbo_320: in case of power cut (03:30 PM) ppusa: overall somewhat still positive pattern daily but had today pegged. Even called for intraday bounce before it happened (03:30 PM) Daniel X: 5 good moves spread out over the week should be about right (03:31 PM) jimbo_320: buying the lows were the best trades today (03:31 PM) ppusa: be interessting to see next few days (03:31 PM) skyprince_1: Only need one a day... (03:31 PM) ppusa: here is another op for you (03:31 PM) ppusa: think i will pass (03:32 PM) Daniel X: yeah the market wants to move ahead but i think besides the obvious holding it back....those antrax scares are even more scary (03:32 PM) skyprince_1: Strap on the skiis....here we go... (03:32 PM) ppusa: i think no buyers and market needs to convince more sellers lows aren't in (03:33 PM) ppusa: what do i know (03:33 PM) Daniel X: redemption $ keeping this market a float (03:33 PM) jimbo_320: bye all laters (03:33 PM) Daniel X: bye Jimbo (03:33 PM) Orprepus: see ya jimbo - thanks for the playing (03:34 PM) ppusa: sold this am 81 for scalp (03:34 PM) ppusa: should have been for HOD (03:34 PM) Daniel X: the only sellers left are those that feel their positions are to low to sell (03:34 PM) jimbo_320: no probs superpro.... bye (03:35 PM) Daniel X: where are we now? (03:35 PM) ppusa: 1250 (03:35 PM) ppusa: new lows (03:35 PM) Daniel X: thnx (03:36 PM) ppusa: oro next time i say secret chart says late day trend, remind me to play chop inbetween (03:36 PM) ppusa: orp (03:36 PM) Daniel X: analysts are talking about a six week rally from about here (03:36 PM) Orprepus: ok well do (03:37 PM) ppusa: here HOW may be in place (03:37 PM) Daniel X: you serious! (03:37 PM) ppusa: can't tell but gut says so (03:37 PM) Daniel X: back to 1100? (03:37 PM) Orprepus: no way (03:37 PM) Orprepus: 6 week rally - gota short that (03:37 PM) Daniel X: lol ORP yes!! (03:38 PM) ppusa: no way what? (03:38 PM) Orprepus: Abbey Chonehead right (03:38 PM) Daniel X: no no no not her (03:38 PM) ppusa: don't tell orp (03:38 PM) ppusa: don't tempt me either (03:38 PM) Orprepus: she speaks buy we short - win everytime (03:38 PM) Orprepus: oh come (03:39 PM) ppusa: u think 6 week rally? (03:39 PM) Daniel X: i think so (03:39 PM) Orprepus: maybe negative rally (03:39 PM) Daniel X: redemption $ will have to go back in the market (03:39 PM) Daniel X: another tax cut (03:39 PM) ppusa: so Orp said 6 week rally and Dan agrees? (03:40 PM) Daniel X: no i said six week rally Orp agrees (03:40 PM) ppusa: gotcha, scrolled back...missed your first line (03:40 PM) Daniel X: i trying to pin point when (03:41 PM) Daniel X: next week after we test the lows one more time? (03:41 PM) Daniel X: this week (03:41 PM) Daniel X: ? (03:41 PM) ann_87: 2b test of yesterday's low? (03:41 PM) ppusa: if true, should buy here (03:41 PM) ppusa: i think new low soon, then rally...look at weekly chart. (03:41 PM) Orprepus: we still need the W for this bottom (03:42 PM) Daniel X: market didn't sell off after the 1rst missile hit it's target (03:42 PM) skyprince_1: Hmmm..best Retro trades of day was first and last of day... (03:42 PM) ppusa: unless you think straight up, gotta complete bottom (03:42 PM) Daniel X: so no panick no seling (03:42 PM) dbphoenix: It's possible, Ann. Would like to see 1225, tho. (03:43 PM) ppusa: Yes Orp, any kind of bottom at all would necessitate a reetest before up imo (03:43 PM) Daniel X: ORP Welcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders and TrendVUE.com alumni. Today's charts at www.DaCharts.com WARNING: Any trades posted here are for educational purposes only. Don't take the trades unless you understand them and can take the risk. (03:43 PM) Daniel X: all air defences knocked out (03:43 PM) dbphoenix: Wholesale inventories tomorrow. (03:43 PM) Orprepus: agree pp - need to complete the bottom (03:44 PM) Daniel X: DB thats what they're waitng for...ah ha hmmmm (03:44 PM) ppusa: i'm only talking towards the end of this month (03:44 PM) ppusa: first of next (03:44 PM) ppusa: look at monthly range and weekly chart (03:45 PM) skyprince_1: Think I made enough to pay my commissons....and maybe a little left over for a cappucino....I'm out a here....:) (03:45 PM) ppusa: could take out this week's high still and then come down (03:45 PM) Daniel X: LOL SKY (03:45 PM) ppusa: regardless, today sucked (03:46 PM) Orprepus: here's what I see as important for the week news - jobless claims on Thurs and than Retail Sales & Michigan Consumer Sentiment Survey on Fri (03:46 PM) ppusa: se if 45.5 holds as LOW (03:46 PM) ppusa: see (03:46 PM) skyprince_1: Catching Osama would be nice! THink we'd rallY? (03:46 PM) Orprepus: than it is earnings and Q4 forecast (03:46 PM) Daniel X: thats my new problem...since trading Retro...no days off.....before i wuold stay away from mondays and frdays after lunch (03:47 PM) ppusa: weekly chart is straight off lows. needs to go back down now. Reminds me of buying the "first break" (03:48 PM) ppusa: imo, that's all (03:48 PM) ppusa: just remember who's your daddy (03:48 PM) Orprepus: lol (03:49 PM) dbphoenix: No, you're right, pp. It's easy to get caught up in the intraday stuff. We came off the bottom much too quickly. (03:49 PM) ppusa: Orp, bet you got spanked a lot when you were a kid (03:49 PM) Daniel X: don't forget there are alot of people who missed the April low buying op...i think they're nibbling (03:49 PM) ppusa: those are the ones buying the first break??? (03:49 PM) dbphoenix: But we weren't at war in April. (03:50 PM) Daniel X: yes no stimulus package in April either!!! (03:50 PM) Orprepus: no spankings just a good ole whooping (03:50 PM) Orprepus: with a strap (03:51 PM) Orprepus: learn to toe the line (03:51 PM) Daniel X: WAR is benificial for the economy...as sick as it may seem Paltalk: Click banners to visit our sponsors. (03:51 PM) dbphoenix: Ordinarily I'd've expected an Adam and Eve bottom. The bombing messed that up. (03:51 PM) Orprepus: but is this war (03:51 PM) Orprepus: shoot in a week we can occupy the whole country (03:51 PM) ppusa: plenty of room to take out last week's high and then go back down, we'll see (03:52 PM) Daniel X: physcological war