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Daniel X: NAPM services
Daniel X: don't know how significant
BrainStorm: thanks nme niether
(09:39 AM) Jesse888: gm, bethcut
(09:39 AM) Jesse888: gm all
(09:40 AM) bethcut: Morning
(09:40 AM) BrainStorm: appears to be some indesicion
(09:41 AM) Buffy_04364: hi beth
(09:41 AM) Daniel X: plz not chop again
(09:41 AM) Buffy_04364: welcome to the room
(09:41 AM) Jesse888: gm buffy
(09:42 AM) Buffy_04364: gm jessie
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(09:43 AM) Buffy_04364: ditto dan
(09:43 AM) ppusa: HOTM
(09:43 AM) Daniel X: PP?
(09:43 AM) Buffy_04364: high of the morning
(09:43 AM) Buffy_04364: ?
(09:43 AM) Daniel X: lol
(09:43 AM) Daniel X: month
(09:43 AM) Buffy_04364: LOL
(09:43 AM) ppusa: morning
(09:44 AM) ppusa: maybe
(09:44 AM) Daniel X: millenium?
(09:44 AM) ppusa: tick osold still
(09:44 AM) Daniel X: minut
(09:44 AM) ppusa: wrong here
(09:45 AM) ppusa: 15 point looked like up which gas occured
(09:45 AM) ppusa: has
(09:45 AM) Buffy_04364: watching here
(09:45 AM) ppusa: 25 looks like wants to go lower
(09:46 AM) ppusa: hotm now
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(09:46 AM) bethcut: Good morning Buffy
(09:46 AM) ppusa: hard to tell so i hope noone trading off this
(09:47 AM) ppusa: just keep in mind
(09:47 AM) ppusa: short here
(09:47 AM) Buffy_04364: nope too many conflicting signals so far
(09:47 AM) Buffy_04364: and that usually means chop
(09:47 AM) ppusa: may cover any second
(09:48 AM) BrainStorm: one long side covered costs pretty choppy
(09:48 AM) ppusa: too early for any real trades
(09:49 AM) Daniel X: waitng for the NAPM services?/
(09:49 AM) Daniel X: important?clueless here
(09:49 AM) Buffy_04364: is that at 10
(09:49 AM) ppusa: out for now
(09:49 AM) Daniel X: yes
(09:49 AM) BrainStorm: unkind to retor one tick long then stopped straight out ce la vie
(09:50 AM) dave_b_quik: didn't we decide to only take the first 15m breakout with the trend?
(09:50 AM) Buffy_04364: ok so brb
(09:50 AM) Buffy_04364: wash into dryer
(09:50 AM) ppusa: +2  +1
(09:51 AM) BrainStorm: true dave does that include gap down open ?
(09:51 AM) BrainStorm: still unlar on that
(09:51 AM) ppusa: would rather sell when price is above 300 ma and obot whichit isn't
(09:51 AM) Daniel X: BrainStorm if u lk @ Retro stats ul notce Trd 1 statistically is a loser
(09:51 AM) ppusa: now above
(09:51 AM) BrainStorm: unclear (real finger trouble today)
(09:51 AM) skyprince_1: I like that rule...
(09:51 AM) dave_b_quik: ya, we were just using the 20EMA5 to determine trend at the open
(09:52 AM) BrainStorm: yes I noticed that fairly quickly however the ones that do go often catch the big morning trend (when there is one)
(09:52 AM) dave_b_quik: ya, there's no perfect rule
(09:52 AM) BrainStorm: very true retros results speak for themselves
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(09:53 AM) jimbo_320: good morning
(09:53 AM) BrainStorm: tending towards long here myself
(09:53 AM) BrainStorm: hi jimbo
(09:53 AM) Daniel X: compare Trd 1 losses against Trd 1 gains for 1 month
(09:53 AM) Daniel X: look at net
(09:54 AM) Daniel X: gm Jim
(09:54 AM) ppusa: i typed 300, meant 200 ma
(09:54 AM) BrainStorm: save me the trouble Dan hows it pan out ?
(09:55 AM) Daniel X: i almost never take trd 1
(09:55 AM) jimbo_320: higher trin today
(09:55 AM) Daniel X: on 15 min 
(09:55 AM) Daniel X: 9 min scalp
(09:56 AM) Daniel X: or earlier entry
(09:56 AM) BrainStorm: 5 bar looks horrible I use candles...looks like a zebara crossing
(09:56 AM) jimbo_320: big of trap that last breakout
(09:57 AM) Daniel X: this is nuts ..
(09:57 AM) jimbo_320: sharks teeth on 5min yok
(09:57 AM) Daniel X: 1 min  sideways...uh huh
(09:57 AM) jimbo_320: yuk
(09:58 AM) larrybf: is this the face of the NEW market long term?
(09:59 AM) jimbo_320: nqoos 5min suggests possible upside break
(09:59 AM) Daniel X: ES sell 43.50 buy 48  back and forth cancell replace replace cancel
(09:59 AM) ppusa: Dow SP starting break down
(09:59 AM) ppusa: or retest
(09:59 AM) Daniel X: Buffy need any help with that laundry?!
(10:00 AM) BrainStorm: yes still looking slightly upish on the nas
(10:00 AM) 4nq: Good Morning all
(10:00 AM) ppusa: napm due now
(10:00 AM) BrainStorm: maybe thats why the indecision
(10:00 AM) Daniel X: 4NQ  been awhile  gm
(10:00 AM) BrainStorm: all reports should be outside market hours I rekon
(10:00 AM) jimbo_320: another update on IB ?
(10:01 AM) ppusa: looks like tops are in but no sell offyeet
(10:01 AM) ppusa: here we go
(10:01 AM) Buffy_04364: bk reading
(10:01 AM) zack_100: having trouble filling the gap I wonder if today might be the reversal day to resume our downtrend?
(10:01 AM) Buffy_04364: this is nuts
(10:02 AM) BrainStorm: very sketchy
(10:02 AM) jimbo_320: a report out today?
(10:02 AM) Buffy_04364: nothing clear cut for sure
(10:02 AM) Daniel X: ouch
(10:02 AM) BrainStorm: someone sit on my hands for me
(10:02 AM) Buffy_04364: hi jimbo
(10:02 AM) jimbo_320: what is it?
(10:02 AM) Daniel X: no heros plz
(10:02 AM) BrainStorm: before I do something foolish
(10:02 AM) Buffy_04364: test of high?
(10:03 AM) 4nq: 50.2
(10:03 AM) Buffy_04364: I am sitting on mine for sure
(10:03 AM) ppusa: pointy spikes indicated tops...Now pointy drops look like bottoms
(10:03 AM) Orprepus: NAPM -Sept.  50.2 vs 45.5 in Aug
(10:03 AM) Buffy_04364: not terrorist
(10:03 AM) Buffy_04364: they say bus random act
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(10:03 AM) ppusa: +2  +1  +1  +4
(10:03 AM) Buffy_04364: very well pp you are the king
(10:03 AM) BrainStorm: dind even quite make the high buffy
(10:03 AM) Buffy_04364: :-)
(10:03 AM) jimbo_320: that is a big move up
(10:03 AM) Buffy_04364: no it didn't
(10:04 AM) Buffy_04364: now what is it going to do?
(10:04 AM) dave_b_quik: you da man, ppusa
(10:04 AM) Buffy_04364: couldn't get through TOS yet
(10:04 AM) ppusa: remember several days ago i said maybe chop for weeks
(10:04 AM) Buffy_04364: then we need more lessons LOL
(10:05 AM) Daniel X: well congrats to all those who r in this
(10:06 AM) Buffy_04364: gravestone candle on 150T
(10:06 AM) skyprince_1: NAPM # did that....
(10:06 AM) 4nq: if mkt doesn't soar on that NAPM icrease it looks horrible........and it ain't "soaring"
(10:06 AM) ppusa: markets holding yester lows so far
(10:06 AM) Buffy_04364: but who knows
(10:06 AM) Buffy_04364: even candles have their unpredictability
(10:07 AM) Buffy_04364: just received notice from best that all 800 numbers are down nationwide
(10:07 AM) Buffy_04364: hmmm
(10:07 AM) Buffy_04364: gave backup number
(10:08 AM) dave_b_quik: hmmm that can't happen
(10:08 AM) Daniel X: 1165 pivot NQ
(10:08 AM) Buffy_04364: I didn't think so either but is what the notice said
(10:10 AM) ab_18: es 1049 is a "rung on the ladder" number either going up or down also now support
(10:10 AM) Buffy_04364: napm this powerful?
(10:10 AM) Buffy_04364: hmm
(10:10 AM) Daniel X: oh yah
(10:10 AM) dbphoenix: This is a good example of why you have to keep trying, even if you get stopped out a couple of times.
(10:10 AM) jimbo_320: over 50 indicates economic expansion
(10:10 AM) dave_b_quik: i just called an 800 # and got through
(10:10 AM) Buffy_04364: yes it is dbp
(10:11 AM) 4nq: short nq
(10:11 AM) Buffy_04364: tks dave
(10:11 AM) ann_87: i just called interactive brokers 1 800 # and busy signal
(10:11 AM) Daniel X: DEER
(10:12 AM) Daniel X: gap filled on ES
(10:12 AM) jimbo_320: big move up
(10:12 AM) Daniel X: Jimbo u in this?
(10:13 AM) ppusa: nuy sig on 10 and 15 PnF
(10:13 AM) ppusa: buy
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(10:13 AM) 4nq: covering nq
(10:13 AM) ppusa: favorite place to start looking for pb
(10:14 AM) jimbo_320: y from 49
(10:14 AM) dbphoenix: Out for +17.  And it's only10:15 . . .
(10:14 AM) Daniel X: good
(10:14 AM) dbphoenix: Hell of a lot better than yesterday.
(10:15 AM) Buffy_04364: nice guys
(10:15 AM) 4nq: gonna be a tough 4th qtr for trading
(10:15 AM) jimbo_320: dow hod stall
(10:15 AM) Daniel X: DOW should be up 100 points on this
(10:16 AM) 4nq: 300
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(10:16 AM) ppusa: dbp did you enter with stop?
(10:16 AM) dbphoenix: Always
(10:16 AM) ppusa: did you get good fill?
(10:17 AM) dbphoenix: Yes
(10:17 AM) Daniel X: stop limit right/
(10:17 AM) Daniel X: ?
(10:17 AM) dbphoenix: Going in, yes.  Market going out.
(10:18 AM) dbphoenix: But I got stopped out at breakeven twice before I began to show a profit.  
(10:18 AM) Daniel X: price action yes i bet
(10:18 AM) 4nq: covering runners
(10:19 AM) jimbo_320: looking weaker
(10:19 AM) dbphoenix: I've been fiddling with the 5 pt stop, but it's been a real loser for me.  PP is right.  You really have to play hit and run here.  Otherwise you just give too much of it back.
(10:20 AM) ppusa: i didn't get the long, to slow to react
(10:20 AM) ppusa: covered a short
(10:20 AM) BrainStorm: still looking more retrace than turn to e
(10:20 AM) ppusa: 47
(10:20 AM) jimbo_320: 50 needs to hold
(10:21 AM) Daniel X: well yes back in April i used 10 and 20 point stops based on range of market then but now looks like 10 points might be useful
(10:22 AM) BrainStorm: what do you enter based on Daniel ? chart timeframe in particular
(10:23 AM) Daniel X: 9 min ES  15 min NQ
(10:23 AM) Buffy_04364: well orp that prem took out the HOD
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(10:24 AM) larrybf: daniel -why is nq time frame longer? doesnt nq trend stronger?
(10:24 AM) Orprepus: right
(10:24 AM) Daniel X: 9/5/1 ES  15/5/1 NQ
(10:24 AM) Daniel X: based on Retro
(10:24 AM) 4nq: i try and place stps at points i see as pivotal.........using a static number tends to lessen my mkt awareness
(10:24 AM) larrybf: ok thanks
(10:25 AM) dbphoenix: In general, getting to breakeven ASAP has worked better for me than maintaining a wide stop.  Doesn't seem logical with all this chop, but I've racked up a lot of 5 pt losses by using the wider stop.  It adds up quickly.
(10:25 AM) Orprepus: knock knock 50
(10:25 AM) Daniel X: 4NQ i know it's just the max im willing to lose in a particular enviroment
(10:25 AM) ppusa: back to flat here
(10:26 AM) Daniel X: doesn't mean i let it get hit everytime
(10:26 AM) 4nq: ahh
(10:26 AM) 4nq: stps r a art form
(10:26 AM) dbphoenix: The wider stop tends to put me in deer mode for some reason.
(10:27 AM) 4nq: my point db
(10:27 AM) Buffy_04364: they are and each one of us needs to find what we are comfortable with for them
(10:27 AM) Buffy_04364: many variations
(10:27 AM) 4nq: yep
(10:27 AM) Daniel X: i know what u mean DB!!
(10:27 AM) dbphoenix: I agree, 4nq.
(10:28 AM) ppusa: if like yesterday, nq new high then more pb
(10:28 AM) 4nq: my stps directly relate to my 'targets"
(10:28 AM) ppusa: 10 point reversed...
(10:28 AM) ppusa: 15 not overextended so could make new high first
(10:28 AM) 4nq: and my 'targets' have been cut in half this year
(10:29 AM) 4nq: as has my income!!!
(10:29 AM) Daniel X: PnF happy with that pullback
(10:29 AM) Daniel X: i bet 4NQ
(10:29 AM) ppusa: yes Dan
(10:29 AM) 4nq: how much u want to bet,D???
(10:30 AM) 4nq: lol
(10:30 AM) Daniel X: 4 NQs
(10:30 AM) Daniel X: lol
(10:30 AM) BrainStorm: stopped in not sure Im that pleased
(10:31 AM) ppusa: 15 point PnF has buy signal by one box which means it is just "in" buy mode. I don't use this signal but it is a buy signal. playing tick chart here
(10:31 AM) dbphoenix: With a little imagination, one can see a potential H&S on the 15m.
(10:32 AM) 4nq: anyone have any ## on daily range of ND in relation to price of index............lately and last year.......% wise???
(10:32 AM) ppusa: based on daily chart, i am not very bearish
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(10:33 AM) ppusa: HOTM was the spike before napm and lasted about 9 minutes
(10:34 AM) Buffy_04364: 123 on smaller TF pp
(10:34 AM) Buffy_04364: maybe
(10:34 AM) BrainStorm: out +4.5 after all the doom and gloom here about holding on :-)
(10:34 AM) dbphoenix: It'll be interesting to see if we drive through those gaps on the daily or grind our way through.
(10:34 AM) ppusa: yes, at this point i would wait for new high based on daily
(10:34 AM) MarkCA: what is HOTM?
(10:34 AM) ppusa: hotmama
(10:34 AM) Buffy_04364: high of the morning
(10:34 AM) Orprepus: lol
(10:34 AM) BrainStorm: Hot Mamma
(10:35 AM) 4nq: 1180-1185 some decent resist
(10:35 AM) ppusa: see new highs
(10:35 AM) MarkCA: yo mama
(10:35 AM) dbphoenix: So much for the "H&S".  1180 is going to be tough, though.
(10:35 AM) ppusa: waiting for daily range to settle in and then i will flog more orders
(10:35 AM) jimbo_320: sold half for +4
(10:35 AM) BrainStorm: woulda should coulda...always a strong possibility that there were orders above the recent high
(10:36 AM) jimbo_320: dow hod
(10:36 AM) ppusa: nq futures were only thing this morning with lower low than yester
(10:37 AM) ppusa: key to action
(10:38 AM) ppusa: want to go short somewhere 
(10:38 AM) ppusa: for PnF pb
(10:38 AM) wayne_53: jimbo.....did you sell half on first run up or on this retracement move
(10:38 AM) ppusa: maybe should go long first?
(10:38 AM) dbphoenix: Given the resistance at 1180, could probably begin stalking those upbars on the NQ
(10:38 AM) ppusa: Deer here
(10:39 AM) ppusa: my thinking too dbp
(10:39 AM) jimbo_320: 2nd move up, expected more push
(10:39 AM) dbphoenix: New high failing on 1m.  Let's see if we get a lower high.
(10:39 AM) ppusa: if i miss the short, will look for another trade
(10:39 AM) jimbo_320: on first so left it, took a gamble we would retest
(10:39 AM) 4nq: with MSFT being 12.5% of NDX  ya gotta watch it like a hawk imo
(10:40 AM) BrainStorm: where is the resistance at 1180 from db ?
(10:40 AM) dbphoenix: Could've shorted failure on ES.
(10:40 AM) ppusa: dow higher high than yester
(10:40 AM) dbphoenix: Last Friday and yesterday.
(10:40 AM) dbphoenix: 1180 "area".
(10:41 AM) ppusa: usually one more push like yesterday...1-2-3
(10:41 AM) dbphoenix: Yes
(10:41 AM) ppusa: oh baby, oh baby
(10:41 AM) BrainStorm: didnt get a fill was entering the orer as it went :-(
(10:42 AM) dbphoenix: You mean Ross 1-2-3?
(10:42 AM) Daniel X: 1185 res 1 NQ
(10:42 AM) jimbo_320: gogo
(10:42 AM) BrainStorm: I use ross 1-2-3 very similar to the trader vic 1-2-3
(10:42 AM) jimbo_320: dow hod
(10:43 AM) ppusa: waiting for sp to go through
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(10:43 AM) BrainStorm: retor just had second add ?
(10:43 AM) dbphoenix: Agree concept is very similar.  Wish he'd used a-b-c, though :0)
(10:43 AM) BrainStorm: retro
(10:44 AM) dave_b_quik: y
(10:44 AM) 4nq: hmmm, no ND stps.......or few
(10:44 AM) BrainStorm: I was lucky enough to have mentoring from him recently....interesting guy
(10:44 AM) dbphoenix: That must have set you back a few bucks.
(10:44 AM) BrainStorm: wa reasonable for what i got
(10:45 AM) dbphoenix: I think it's helpful to go to people like that occasionally for an "adjustment".
(10:46 AM) dbphoenix: Esp if your trades are suddenly going wrong and you can't figure out why.
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(10:46 AM) BrainStorm: I was getiing indicator overload...what appealed was his focus on price action
(10:46 AM) BrainStorm: 1.2.3 hooks congestions etc
(10:46 AM) 4nq: price is king
(10:47 AM) BrainStorm: yup price and volume for confirmation
(10:47 AM) dbphoenix: I agree about the indicators.  They seem to make so much sense.  But I have yet to find any that help me.  With the possible exception of DMI.
(10:47 AM) ppusa: looking a little toppy
(10:47 AM) 4nq: volume.....momentum......price
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(10:49 AM) dbphoenix: And I don't know what to tell them other than to experiment.  You can never know where somebody else's buttons are.
(10:49 AM) jimbo_320: out the rest
(10:49 AM) ppusa: Dow and SP flatter patterns than nq are pulling back a bit
(10:50 AM) 4nq: I feel toughest thing about on'line trading is PULLING the trigger!
(10:50 AM) BrainStorm: yes looks like its slowing certainly not quite dead however
(10:50 AM) 4nq: too little or tooooo often
(10:50 AM) BrainStorm: it is for me 4
(10:51 AM) ppusa: all in up trends
(10:51 AM) BrainStorm: and then wanting to pull it to quick once on board
(10:51 AM) ppusa: gingerly short
(10:52 AM) skyprince_1: Yep...in late, out early...the bane of tarders...
(10:52 AM) dbphoenix: I agree about the too often.  Helps to have a couple of rules.  Like if your first two trades are losers, stop and regroup.  Or if you can't get any traction after four tries, you're probably in chop and probably ought to just take the day off.
(10:52 AM) jimbo_320: no much on that 2nd push
(10:52 AM) BrainStorm: 1 min looks like it might have turned over but more congestion than top really
(10:53 AM) ppusa: should wait for SP and nq to break yesterday'shigh
(10:53 AM) ppusa: retro still long?
(10:53 AM) dave_b_quik: y, 3x
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(10:53 AM) BrainStorm: guess so with two adds
(10:53 AM) skyprince_1: Waiting to buy 87.5....yesterday's HOD
(10:54 AM) dbphoenix: S&P and Dow are right at resistance, tho.
(10:54 AM) 4nq: 42 point ND range is wider than last 3 days range
(10:54 AM) ppusa: sometimes need to ignore and go with reality
(10:54 AM) skyprince_1: Dave, will retro exit on test of yesterday's HOD?
(10:54 AM) BrainStorm: life in the old dog yet
(10:54 AM) 4nq: Msft hod
(10:55 AM) ppusa: reality is higher highs, higher lows today except nq
(10:55 AM) BrainStorm: sky Im not an expert but i dont think any rules based on levels
(10:55 AM) ppusa: nq outside up
(10:55 AM) 4nq: reality is last print
(10:55 AM) dave_b_quik: skyprince, yes
(10:56 AM) dave_b_quik: using 2B rule
(10:56 AM) skyprince_1: I've seen a couple of exits in stats based on test of HOD
(10:56 AM) dbphoenix: Obviously I should have gone back in on the 1030 pullback :0(
(10:56 AM) skyprince_1: thnks
(10:56 AM) jimbo_320: 54 sitting at yesterdays close
(10:56 AM) BrainStorm: 1190 HoD
(10:57 AM) 4nq: short nq
(10:57 AM) BrainStorm: fib number of the first swing up
(10:57 AM) dbphoenix: Not waiting for a retest?
(10:57 AM) BrainStorm: and also my hat size
(10:58 AM) ppusa: looking for some sort of top here for 15 point pb
(10:58 AM) 4nq: now u remind me,db.........lol
(10:59 AM) ppusa: think it is in but???
(10:59 AM) BrainStorm: its at 1190 ppusa
(10:59 AM) dbphoenix: Hope you'll do the same for me, sometime :0)
(10:59 AM) 4nq: covering 
(11:00 AM) 4nq: in @83
(11:00 AM) ppusa: SP taking out swing low 1 min
(11:01 AM) ppusa: now Dow
(11:01 AM) ppusa: at, not through yet
(11:01 AM) ppusa: 2B 5 minute?
(11:01 AM) jimbo_320: dan pretty big bars on that 9min chart
(11:02 AM) ppusa: Dave does retro have stop at 82?
(11:03 AM) dave_b_quik: y
(11:03 AM) Daniel X: yes i know
(11:03 AM) ppusa: tks
(11:03 AM) Daniel X: still up trend
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(11:04 AM) wayne_53: Dave......how did retro do yesterday?
(11:04 AM) Daniel X: PnF perfect 45 degree up trend
(11:04 AM) jimbo_320: retro would be in 3 contracts by now
(11:05 AM) 4nq: 48k in first 90 min for NQZ........includes globex
(11:06 AM) Jesse888: yeee haw
(11:07 AM) BrainStorm: damn was putting the order in yet again just being too slow
(11:08 AM) ppusa: retro king today
(11:09 AM) Daniel X: 1200 goes watch out
(11:09 AM) 4nq: must be time to sell cause I wanna get long!
(11:09 AM) dave_b_quik: LOL check the GSI
(11:09 AM) dbphoenix: I'd rather wait to see if resistance becomes support.
(11:09 AM) jimbo_320: retro always king
(11:09 AM) dave_b_quik: (group sentiment index)
(11:10 AM) ppusa: buy signal on 15 point PnF was good
(11:10 AM) wayne_53: Lower high.......if we have an equal high and the low of that bar is taken out, is that also considered a lower high or must we actually have a "lower" high before exiting?
(11:11 AM) 4nq: let's see if NQ does its usual round number hesitation dance
(11:11 AM) dave_b_quik: equal counts, wayne
(11:11 AM) dbphoenix: True.  Good reminder.
(11:11 AM) ppusa: about top go short here
(11:11 AM) 4nq: we be even now!
(11:11 AM) jimbo_320: did retro go in at 54>
(11:11 AM) ppusa: SP still hasn't gone through
(11:12 AM) dave_b_quik: retro got long at 58.50, 70, 75.50, and 86.50
(11:12 AM) 4nq: sweet
(11:12 AM) ppusa: funny nq lagger yesterday, leads today
(11:13 AM) dbphoenix: Needs to catch up to S&P and Dow.  100 points
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(11:13 AM) ppusa: dow back to that 5 minute 2B area
(11:14 AM) 4nq: anyone think spoos and ND will trade at par sometime this year???
(11:14 AM) Orprepus: NQ definitely has its own drum - or it is just late to the party from yesterday
(11:14 AM) Orprepus: you can make that bet in Vegas now
(11:15 AM) 4nq: what's the line?
(11:16 AM) dbphoenix: If the Nasdaq were to cut loose all those new cheap stocks, it'd probably be quite a bit higher.
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(11:16 AM) 4nq: deleted ATHM yest
(11:16 AM) Orprepus: stock chnage over in Naz the past few days
(11:17 AM) Orprepus: get rid of the laggers
(11:17 AM) Orprepus: exds also
(11:17 AM) jimbo_320: thought that exds was bust?
(11:17 AM) Orprepus: no more penny dot.gone stocks on the naz
(11:18 AM) Orprepus: exds chapter 11 - restructuring
(11:18 AM) BrainStorm:  1 2 3 top forming up on the 75 tick
(11:18 AM) jimbo_320: is that what they call it lol
(11:18 AM) Orprepus: protection from 1.1bil they owe
(11:18 AM) 4nq: i was looking to buy ATHM @30,then 20,then 10, then2. Never did
(11:18 AM) Orprepus: 150M cash will not cover it
(11:18 AM) jimbo_320: trin still >1
(11:19 AM) Orprepus: today is a werid day
(11:19 AM) ppusa: SP still hasn't gone through
(11:19 AM) dbphoenix: Uh-oh.  Bush is talking.
(11:19 AM) 4nq: any way here to post "away" for a while??
(11:20 AM) Orprepus: quick cover 
(11:20 AM) 4nq: like for brft
(11:20 AM) Orprepus: or was that duck and cover
(11:20 AM) dbphoenix: You're showing your age :0)
(11:20 AM) Daniel X: 1200 up to 1250
(11:20 AM) Orprepus: :-)
(11:20 AM) elly_34: RETRO rocks!!
(11:21 AM) dbphoenix: It should on a trend day.  As for tomorrow, the rule of alternation will probably kick in.
(11:21 AM) BrainStorm: you trading retro today elly ?
(11:21 AM) Daniel X: come on funds step in already
(11:21 AM) jimbo_320: and if we take out 1200, retro could be on for a record
(11:22 AM) elly_34: i wish i was but nope
(11:22 AM) skyprince_1: Rule of alternation?  Missed that one...
(11:22 AM) 4nq: is retro a person??
(11:22 AM) elly_34: no futures account here yet
(11:22 AM) BrainStorm: I swore I would on the first good trend day this week hehe
(11:22 AM) elly_34: are you?
(11:22 AM) jimbo_320: did retro trade before the report?
(11:22 AM) dbphoenix: Rule of alternation refers to trend, then non-trend, then back again.
(11:22 AM) BrainStorm: nope still not completely happy with the first bar and the stops
(11:22 AM) skyprince_1: 4nq....go to www.dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart.com...learn all about it.
(11:22 AM) ppusa: nq obot 10 point pnf
(11:22 AM) 4nq: ty
(11:23 AM) skyprince_1: Ahhhhh
(11:23 AM) ppusa: heavily short here and sweating bullets
(11:23 AM) elly_34: retro stop is on that inside bar dave?
(11:23 AM) elly_34: 3 ticks below?
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(11:23 AM) dbphoenix: For instance, this morning, had a nice trend till 1015, then a rest, then another trend, then a rest, etc.  In order to know what to do, you have to know where you are.
(11:23 AM) jimbo_320: retro must of bought your short
(11:24 AM) BrainStorm: had first short signal ppusa well more of a not long signal really
(11:24 AM) Daniel X: i wonder how many orders are at 1201!!!!
(11:24 AM) Daniel X: if they get filled  BOOM
(11:24 AM) jimbo_320: 1202
(11:24 AM) dbphoenix: Good point.
(11:24 AM) ppusa: not happy with SP high
(11:25 AM) BrainStorm: suprised they dont gun them
(11:25 AM) jimbo_320: i'll put my limit sell in for 1280....
(11:25 AM) Daniel X: me neither PP
(11:25 AM) skyprince_1: Wish I could see that book!
(11:25 AM) jimbo_320: can the exchange see the book?
(11:25 AM) BrainStorm: maybe over lunch ...easier to move things around then
(11:25 AM) ppusa: buy signal on 25 point PnF
(11:26 AM) Daniel X: ssssoooo close
(11:26 AM) dbphoenix: UTL on 5m still intact.
(11:26 AM) Daniel X: i can smell the shorts burning
(11:26 AM) BrainStorm: brokers can and hence the floor traderds can
(11:27 AM) 4nq: no they can't
(11:27 AM) BrainStorm: well the ones that are not sloely working for there own account
(11:27 AM) jimbo_320: so if i enter a stop on IB can it be seen by all and sundry ?
(11:27 AM) BrainStorm: nope
(11:27 AM) BrainStorm: sorry I was talking about the full contracts
(11:27 AM) BrainStorm: which is what moves us
(11:27 AM) 4nq: in SP pit the only "book" a broker can see is his own deck
(11:28 AM) 4nq: locals cannot see any 'book'
(11:28 AM) ppusa: all higher highs, higher lows
(11:28 AM) BrainStorm: I have it on good authority that they collude
(11:28 AM) 4nq: some do
(11:28 AM) Daniel X: the whole world must be watching this 1200 Nq
(11:28 AM) BrainStorm: though they are not meant too
(11:28 AM) 4nq: most don't
(11:28 AM) BrainStorm: but you are right it's not 'all in the open'
(11:29 AM) dbphoenix: Very interesting how the S&P and Dow are just marking time.
(11:29 AM) jimbo_320: this could be interesting
(11:29 AM) BrainStorm: but there is usually common knowledge of where there are big blocks
(11:29 AM) 4nq: y
(11:29 AM) Daniel X: thereit is 
(11:29 AM) 4nq: sometimes knowing where a big order is can hurt you
(11:30 AM) BrainStorm: sure
(11:30 AM) 4nq: mkt usually goes to the order
(11:30 AM) ppusa: finally SP went
(11:30 AM) dbphoenix: Bush's tongue is working awfully well today.
(11:30 AM) BrainStorm: indeed
(11:30 AM) ppusa: out and flat
(11:30 AM) jimbo_320: hope u were long ppusa
(11:31 AM) ppusa: not last run
(11:32 AM) 4nq: selling nq  ON RETEST
(11:32 AM) Daniel X: 1206 res2 NQ
(11:32 AM) dbphoenix: :0)
(11:33 AM) dbphoenix: This is what "letting your profits run" means.
(11:33 AM) jimbo_320: unfortunatley retro is the only one guilty of that...
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(11:34 AM) BrainStorm: Jimbo comes a close second often
(11:34 AM) dbphoenix: Yeah.  I was so pleased with my early gain that I let the 1030 pullback go right past me.
(11:34 AM) dbphoenix: Putz.
(11:34 AM) BrainStorm: I mised to entries today whilst keying orders...gabbing too much
(11:35 AM) BrainStorm: two
(11:35 AM) dbphoenix: I'll be glad when we get off Daylight Savings.  I can use the extra sleep.
(11:35 AM) jimbo_320: if i'd settled for a 49 BE i'b up $500 contract, instead i get small change 
(11:36 AM) ppusa: way obot here...hindsight - key was waiting for SP go through and not allowing enough time after LOD for HOD to get in
(11:36 AM) dbphoenix: Nothing wrong with hindsight as long as it all goes in your diary.
(11:37 AM) ppusa: yea i was looking at sideways congestion yesterday wondering what would happen when it broke
(11:37 AM) BrainStorm: I got a dicatophone sitting here... ashamed to admit I dont use it
(11:37 AM) ppusa: spent a lot of time around 1150
(11:37 AM) jimbo_320: at least we are out of that range, markets are up and we can rally later maybe
(11:38 AM) dbphoenix: OTOH, the distance between here and what was resistance is worthwhile on a test.
(11:38 AM) BrainStorm: large retrace through lunch strong rally in the afternoon would suit me
(11:38 AM) dbphoenix: At least twenty pts.
(11:38 AM) BrainStorm: but I guess dropping back through 1200 would be significant
(11:38 AM) Daniel X: 1080 here we come
(11:38 AM) dbphoenix: That would suit me too, BS.  Would you put my order in along with yours?
(11:39 AM) dbphoenix: To the trading gods, that is.
(11:39 AM) jimbo_320: hindsight as well with a big break of a big number like 50, it is often a great support so the chance of it breaking was minimal.
(11:39 AM) BrainStorm: sure I'll write it out and burn it up the chimney
(11:39 AM) ppusa: one retro trade i wish i hadn't missed!
(11:39 AM) BrainStorm: see if farther Xmas gets it
(11:39 AM) Daniel X: i didn't!!
(11:40 AM) Jesse888: out 60.75
(11:40 AM) dbphoenix: Theoretically, since the S&P and Dow have spent so much time in the upper part of this range, it's more likely to hold on a test.
(11:41 AM) BrainStorm: phew anyone short
(11:41 AM) jimbo_320: pp covering GOOD MOVE
(11:41 AM) Daniel X: 4 ES still
(11:41 AM) jimbo_320: dan u long?
(11:41 AM) Daniel X: yes from 53.75
(11:42 AM) jimbo_320: nice
(11:42 AM) Daniel X: 80 u say?
(11:43 AM) dbphoenix: So much for the "wedges" on the S&P/Dow 60m charts.
(11:43 AM) Daniel X: out  3 @ 61.75 holding 1
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(11:45 AM) jimbo_320: retro up 60
(11:45 AM) Daniel X: wowo
(11:46 AM) jimbo_320: having a chat with IB tommorrow about interfacing to their accounts
(11:46 AM) MarkCA: you mean autoexecution?
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(11:46 AM) jimbo_320: y
(11:47 AM) MarkCA: forget it.  they will NEVER go for that.  Use MacroExpress instead to automate macro's to execute.
(11:47 AM) Daniel X: flat 
(11:47 AM) ppusa: HOD?
(11:48 AM) jimbo_320: what amkes u say that
(11:48 AM) jimbo_320: makes
(11:48 AM) ppusa: ma's still up
(11:48 AM) jimbo_320: they sounded quite keen
(11:48 AM) BrainStorm: I'd say it looks more like an old fashion trend day
(11:48 AM) ppusa: yes, could be big big up
(11:49 AM) BrainStorm: Linda Bradford rashke has goos stuff on her site about trend days and conditions that exist often before they occur
(11:49 AM) jimbo_320: dow 9018
(11:50 AM) dbphoenix: FWIW, 1220 is resistance from the 19th and 25th.
(11:51 AM) dave_b_quik: and 1230 from the 24th
(11:51 AM) MarkCA: they are against using stops after hours.  quite a "dark ages" mentality.  autoexecution would be too far a leap for them at present.  check out www.efloortrade.com/autoexecutor.asp
(11:51 AM) ppusa: caught me sleeping this morning after NAPM, that's for sure
(11:51 AM) BrainStorm: there argument is that they could be too easily gunned
(11:51 AM) BrainStorm: which has a grain of truth can be quite thin at night
(11:52 AM) dbphoenix: It's easy to get so much into the scalping mode that you think the market will never trend again.
(11:53 AM) ppusa: today's low - low of week, last week's high 1229.5 gotta go
(11:53 AM) BrainStorm: yes I have added on the uptrend was really really hard to do only small however
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(11:54 AM) jimbo_320: no i want a feed and autotrade execution they seemed keen but didnt mention the cost
(11:56 AM) jimbo_320: sold es 1/2 for +9.25
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(11:59 AM) 4nq: many trend traders in here??
(11:59 AM) ppusa: out 2 at 26
(11:59 AM) Daniel X: thats it no more answering the damn phone during the day@#$%^&*&^%$#
(12:00 PM) BrainStorm: try to be 4
(12:00 PM) 4nq: therya go pusa
(12:00 PM) BrainStorm: though the last few days have made it hard!
(12:00 PM) ppusa: out 4 at 26
(12:00 PM) dave_b_quik: ya, dan those can be very expensive phone calls
(12:00 PM) Daniel X: 6 point ES miss on thet phone call!!lol
(12:00 PM) ppusa: make up for earlier mistake
(12:00 PM) dbphoenix: You may be right, BS.  But this is a pretty spectacular run for no particular reason other than news conferences.
(12:01 PM) 4nq: this mkt is event and news driven
(12:01 PM) BrainStorm: It feels more like the good old days (not that Imsaying those days are back or anything)
(12:01 PM) ppusa: don't want to debate but all falls into place
(12:01 PM) Daniel X: I think it's because  Abby Cohen said it was time to buy.
(12:01 PM) jimbo_320: NAPM does indicate economic expansion and people are always looking for a bottom
(12:01 PM) 4nq: lol
(12:01 PM) dbphoenix: Yeah, it does.
(12:02 PM) ppusa: nq was onlt index that broke low today, Dow big up yesterday. then higher high weekly basis
(12:02 PM) ppusa: onit=only
(12:02 PM) Buffy_04364: what a day this has turned out to be
(12:02 PM) dave_b_quik: retro out +144.50
(12:02 PM) dbphoenix: Getting thru 9000 is a pretty big deal.
(12:02 PM) BrainStorm: traded equities then and thinking thats gotta rest soon but tick after tick up it would go
(12:02 PM) Buffy_04364: Retro king!
(12:02 PM) Daniel X: WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(12:02 PM) ppusa: did Abbey say buy yesterday?
(12:03 PM) BrainStorm: dave can I have your old car please ;-)
(12:03 PM) dave_b_quik: retro could work pretty good in a bull market
(12:03 PM) dave_b_quik: LOL, i don't think you'd want it
(12:03 PM) BrainStorm: absoulutely
(12:03 PM) Buffy_04364: or any trend day
(12:03 PM) 4nq: retro is a trend trading system???
(12:03 PM) Buffy_04364: hope you traded it dave
(12:03 PM) Buffy_04364: yes he is 4nq
(12:03 PM) dave_b_quik: ya, r
(12:04 PM) 4nq: ty,B
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(12:04 PM) Orprepus: you the da man dave 
(12:04 PM) ppusa: Kicking myself 'cos had to breakout of range
(12:04 PM) BrainStorm: before dave gets in check out http://www.dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart.com
(12:04 PM) ppusa: Dave and retro!!!
(12:04 PM) Buffy_04364: did anyone do 9/3 for comparison?
(12:04 PM) dave_b_quik: LOL
(12:05 PM) BrainStorm: I guess you have used all your adds dave shame might get another here
(12:05 PM) skyprince_1: Is that a retro record?
(12:05 PM) jimbo_320: amazing dave
(12:05 PM) Buffy_04364: for one trade I think so
(12:05 PM) dave_b_quik: ya, it might be a record
(12:05 PM) skyprince_1: Wow!  
(12:05 PM) jimbo_320: how many contracts?
(12:05 PM) dave_b_quik: if the rules allowed adding more than twice, would have been 30 more points
(12:06 PM) Buffy_04364: day record was about 133 - 136 wasn't it dave
(12:06 PM) Daniel X: i read an article last week  saying Historically market bottoms were put in when short positions out numbered longs so this can be it
(12:06 PM) jimbo_320: just three contracts?
(12:06 PM) dave_b_quik: ya
(12:06 PM) ppusa: wonder if today could be high for this month?
(12:06 PM) dave_b_quik: four would have given 174.50
(12:06 PM) BrainStorm: resumption after lunch ?
(12:06 PM) jimbo_320: was it the inside bar exit at the top, sell signal, or did you bail?
(12:06 PM) dave_b_quik: 2B test of 9/24 swing
(12:07 PM) 4nq: I'll bet a dime........no a nickel, that the lows are yet to come. Confident,huh!
(12:07 PM) Daniel X: lol
(12:08 PM) ppusa: when market moves like this usually indicates top (straight to an objetive without a pullback)
(12:08 PM) ppusa: flat here, assessing damage
(12:08 PM) 4nq: dow rallied 1000 points.......ahead of Fri employ
(12:08 PM) 4nq: spooky
(12:08 PM) skyprince_1: Shorts are busy!
(12:09 PM) jimbo_320: is that a new rule?
(12:09 PM) dbphoenix: FWIW, this will likely be a confirmation of an O'Neil Follow-Through Day.
(12:09 PM) 4nq: bonds hod
(12:09 PM) 4nq: 10yr yield to 4.44!!!!!
(12:09 PM) 4nq: real money is free!
(12:10 PM) ppusa: interest rates so low that stocks (some) have to get attractive
(12:11 PM) Daniel X: i mentioned yesterday that excess redemption $ was going to be put to work i guess no one heard that did they!
(12:11 PM) dave_b_quik: you mean people going back into the funds?
(12:11 PM) Daniel X: also felt it wasn't going to be a sell the news fed day
(12:11 PM) 4nq: so borrow $$$ and buy stocks with a yield of 2.8 or above
(12:12 PM) 4nq: ......if u a bank
(12:12 PM) Daniel X: Funds were prepared for redemptions and most are holding so they have a tremendous amount of cash
(12:12 PM) 4nq: cash is everyway
(12:13 PM) 4nq: everywhere
(12:13 PM) skyprince_1: Careful...lots more bad news to digest over next couple of weeks...could be a bounce only...
(12:13 PM) dave_b_quik: at some point the bad news will stop making it go down, and then it will be over on the downside
(12:14 PM) 4nq: yeah,dave, in 2003
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(12:14 PM) dave_b_quik: could be
(12:14 PM) skyprince_1: Agree...when is that point?  I'd certainly like to know...
(12:14 PM) dave_b_quik: LOL i'll tell you after it's over
(12:14 PM) skyprince_1: Not fair!  I want to know now..:)
(12:15 PM) 4nq: hang on,sky........I'll polish up my crytal ball
(12:15 PM) dave_b_quik: have to ask ppusa 
(12:15 PM) ppusa: point if you think this is high of the month, go short and stay with stop
(12:15 PM) ppusa: look at charts
(12:16 PM) skyprince_1: That's okay....I just listen to talking heads on CNBC....and do the opposite....
(12:16 PM) 4nq: this from a guy who covered at 26
(12:16 PM) 4nq: lol
(12:16 PM) ppusa: daily is brushing downtrending ma's
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(12:17 PM) ppusa: and the "bottom" doesn't look like one
(12:17 PM) ppusa: maybe i should have put buy stop in at b/e on 33 short
(12:18 PM) ppusa: who cares, on to next trade
(12:18 PM) 4nq: i thought u would have done something like that
(12:18 PM) 4nq: but
(12:18 PM) Daniel X: i hope every one in here is up on the day at least!!!lol
(12:18 PM) ppusa: have to think to fast
(12:18 PM) 4nq: after earlier short seemed u wanted a winner??
(12:18 PM) 4nq: y/n??
(12:19 PM) dbphoenix: In the old days, I would have shorted all the way up :0)
(12:19 PM) ppusa: yes, 10 point Pnf was 26, 15 was 20 area
(12:19 PM) Daniel X: lol  DB
(12:19 PM) 4nq: ahh
(12:19 PM) ppusa: could have at least held 2 for 20 but came off so fast just flogged the orders
(12:20 PM) 4nq: yep
(12:20 PM) 4nq: amazing how gifts like that we so often take too quickly
(12:21 PM) ppusa: still wondering how Dave got his buy orders in so fast on retro? Mentally must have been ready. Will ask him later.
(12:21 PM) dbphoenix: We get into a hit and run mindset and forget how to recognize a trend.
(12:21 PM) dbphoenix: Or just can't believe it when it occurs.
(12:21 PM) ppusa: absolutely
(12:21 PM) dbphoenix: It takes a real adjustment.
(12:21 PM) 4nq: nq rsting 20 on 3min
(12:21 PM) Daniel X: thats it 4 me...i cannot beleive it when i see it
(12:22 PM) 4nq: resting
(12:22 PM) ppusa: this one had warnings though
(12:22 PM) 4nq: they all do
(12:22 PM) 4nq: some i see
(12:22 PM) 4nq: some i miss
(12:22 PM) dbphoenix: That's why I think it's important to be willing to try over and over again.  There was more than one entry point today.  In a real trend, there always is.
(12:22 PM) 4nq: some i see and miss
(12:23 PM) ppusa: true dbp
(12:23 PM) ppusa: be interesting to see what happens from here, 
(12:23 PM) 4nq: broke the 20 here
(12:23 PM) Buffy_04364: next ? is how much we going to give back
(12:23 PM) Daniel X: yes and T-Lo advocates agressiveness in trends...load up the truck and 5 NQ contracts etc etc
(12:23 PM) ppusa: been doing something else but maybe get back into this and short
(12:24 PM) dbphoenix: I'm hoping I can make a little something on the way down.  That fifth bar on the 3m pullback was a good entry.
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(12:24 PM) ppusa: really think likely retest lows
(12:24 PM) Daniel X: hungry brb
(12:24 PM) ppusa: happens on moves like this
(12:24 PM) dbphoenix: At least of 1190.
(12:25 PM) Daniel X: PPUSA 1193 again..this time i won't miss it!!
(12:25 PM) 4nq: retest lows in NQ TODAT,pp??
(12:25 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL
(12:25 PM) ppusa: Dow and SP filled 9/11 gap
(12:25 PM) 4nq: today
(12:26 PM) Daniel X: brb
(12:26 PM) ppusa: no 4nq, retest the lows
(12:26 PM) ppusa: high of month
(12:26 PM) 4nq: price?
(12:26 PM) ppusa: may be totally wrong
(12:27 PM) 4nq: long nq
(12:27 PM) ppusa: but if i am right this will set tone for next couple weeks
(12:27 PM) dbphoenix: Agree.
(12:28 PM) ppusa: yea, now we'll see
(12:28 PM) 4nq: i feel ND will see sub 1000 this year
(12:28 PM) 4nq: just want 1214 first! lol
(12:29 PM) ppusa: Maybe not so much if i am right, more like if this scenario pans out, should know couple days
(12:29 PM) 4nq: friday
(12:29 PM) dbphoenix: If this isn't just short-covering and if institutions are buying and if outflows dry up, then we've likely seen the bottom.
(12:30 PM) dbphoenix: Maybe Bush's boosterism will encourage people to stop redemptions.
(12:31 PM) Buffy_04364: GS might be getting close to coming out with that stimulus package too
(12:31 PM) 4nq: exiting longs
(12:31 PM) ppusa: down tomorrow would probably confirm...mostly just looking at daily...Said long time ago to "T" i thought bottom would be 3 step process.
(12:31 PM) ppusa: enough for now
(12:32 PM) ppusa: back to quicken
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(12:34 PM) latkinso: Buffy: Hi Im back, know you missed me, I am confused about how often to reanchor with pp.  Any suggestions?
(12:34 PM) jimmer49: Back to chop?
(12:34 PM) 4nq: well i just got my long $$$ in this move......+5.5 per.....in a 92 point move.........and i ain't complaining......i often get cut up in trend moves
(12:35 PM) BrainStorm: on the subject of the market bottom the last retracement on the nas went way over 2000 nearer 2500...its really hard to call a bottom
(12:36 PM) ppusa: yes i stillhave my 200 point PnF to deal with
(12:36 PM) BrainStorm: but give me days like this every day
(12:37 PM) BrainStorm: well hour off for me later
(12:37 PM) 4nq: Cya all.......good trading.......bye
(12:38 PM) Daniel X: bye
(12:38 PM) Buffy_04364: bye
(12:38 PM) Daniel X: thnx
(12:44 PM) ppusa: anyone want to take a flyer, short here with stop at 1223
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(12:44 PM) ppusa: awfully tight stop but...
(12:45 PM) ppusa: i don't figure anyone will rally do it
(12:45 PM) ppusa: really
(12:45 PM) dbphoenix: It's reasonable.  Just above this rally high
(12:46 PM) ppusa: could
(12:46 PM) ppusa: wouold rather see low go then put in stop
(12:46 PM) ppusa: cut hit 24, 25, etc
(12:46 PM) Daniel X: i'd say 25 is better
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(12:46 PM) ppusa: trade would be assuming hour low would go and that is big assumption
(12:47 PM) Daniel X: DB PnF @ 61.50
(12:47 PM) Daniel X: ES
(12:48 PM) ppusa: everytime i try to exit a trade i see some huge size right above me...Yesterday it was 300 to buy...today several times over 100
(12:49 PM) ppusa: 5 and 15 min chart ma's still trending up
(12:50 PM) ppusa: need them to turn down maybe first before short
(12:50 PM) dbphoenix: Too many bars here.  Cancelling the order.
(12:50 PM) timing 2: es on r1
(12:51 PM) dbphoenix: I suspect those who bought above 1220 won't feel trapped until it drops below that level.
(12:51 PM) dbphoenix: 1200
(12:51 PM) Daniel X: almost 1 pm 
(12:51 PM) Daniel X: yes good point
(12:52 PM) ppusa: yea, think i would be smart to wait for averages to confirm downtrend
(12:52 PM) Daniel X: mad at ur self 4 missing the runner i see
(12:53 PM) Daniel X: u want a trend now!
(12:54 PM) ppusa: well shorting would assume a change of trend.  i need to not assume and wait for it
(12:54 PM) Daniel X: come on no way again!!!
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(12:56 PM) ppusa: too much volatility today
(12:57 PM) jimmer49: We once thrived on volatility.
(12:57 PM) ppusa: yea, ironic
(12:57 PM) jimmer49: And will again
(01:00 PM) Daniel X: +.15
(01:00 PM) Daniel X: yuk
(01:00 PM) Daniel X: +1.5
(01:01 PM) jimmer49: at 1230 there was a classic Mike Bruns MACD conservative buy on 3 min NQ good for 30
(01:01 PM) ann_87: jimmer on the 5 min too
(01:02 PM) jimmer49: yep
(01:03 PM) jimmer49: He would have had it and would have had us in it if he were here
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(01:05 PM) Buffy_04364: wish he would stop by again
(01:08 PM) ppusa: dow only+75 now
(01:08 PM) david h_2: pos 2 b top with adx 55 on 5 min
(01:09 PM) ppusa: Dow says going to tank or this is low of pullback and buy here
(01:09 PM) dbphoenix: David, do you show a divergence in the DMI+ with the new trend high?
(01:10 PM) ppusa: Dow now +84
(01:11 PM) ppusa: i have found when other indexes are off their highs means their pb is complete
(01:11 PM) dbphoenix: Looks like a failure on the 1m
(01:12 PM) jimmer49: When you see that macd conservative buy on 3 and 5 min at same time, that is about as good as it gets.  Making a vow never to miss one of those again.
(01:13 PM) dbphoenix: Or maybe not :0)
(01:13 PM) ppusa: Dow +95, guess shoukld have bot
(01:14 PM) dbphoenix: What the hell.  We can buy the chop tomorrow.
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(01:16 PM) donsuelo: What defines a conservative buy? Is it different from a grail buy?
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(01:17 PM) jimmer49: Conservative buy - using macd 3,11,17 when fast line goes below base line and slow line stays above
(01:17 PM) jimmer49: Buy when fast line starts to turn up
(01:17 PM) donsuelo: Thanks much jimmer
(01:18 PM) jimmer49: have never seen it fail
(01:18 PM) jimmer49: best if on time frame longer than 1 min
(01:18 PM) jimmer49: the longer the time frame, the more powerful it is
(01:19 PM) latkinso: Buffy: what are you now seeing on pp?
(01:19 PM) latkinso: Or anyone else for that matter
(01:19 PM) Buffy_04364: banging into 
(01:19 PM) Buffy_04364: TOS
(01:19 PM) donsuelo: I have used it before..just didn't know the name
(01:20 PM) Buffy_04364: posted
(01:20 PM) latkinso: Would you suggest waiting to EOS before sale or short with small stop?
(01:20 PM) latkinso: Or not at all
(01:20 PM) Buffy_04364: we just past EOS
(01:21 PM) Buffy_04364: still suggests long with indicators
(01:21 PM) ppusa: i have buy signals on 50 and 75 point PnF's 
(01:22 PM) latkinso: OK  What should set up before a trend change happens?
(01:22 PM) Buffy_04364: asi should be falling
(01:22 PM) Buffy_04364: for one
(01:22 PM) Buffy_04364: ditto for stoch
(01:22 PM) ppusa: somewhere they will get a reversal, but wouldn't want to bet h
(01:22 PM) Buffy_04364: closed above TOS now needs to respect BOS
(01:22 PM) latkinso: but are they not lagging indicators
(01:23 PM) Buffy_04364: that is why combine with squares
(01:23 PM) Buffy_04364: rsi is only 3 
(01:23 PM) Buffy_04364: pretty quick really
(01:23 PM) Buffy_04364: asi is 1
(01:24 PM) Buffy_04364: we will see if BOS is repected
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(01:24 PM) ppusa: all higher highs, higher lows
(01:25 PM) donsuelo: Headin for that mid Sept. gap on the daily
(01:25 PM) dbphoenix: And the Dow and S&P are stuck in place.
(01:25 PM) Daniel X: +4 NQ
(01:26 PM) Buffy_04364: no needs to respect the up diagonal
(01:27 PM) Buffy_04364: no = now
(01:29 PM) jimmer49: Buffy are you actually entering trades based on Pyra, or just studying 
(01:29 PM) Daniel X: gotta come down to 53 roughly
(01:31 PM) Daniel X: ok pb hit
(01:32 PM) Buffy_04364: latkinso - see how it hit the top of square?  If you change pyra to 11. something - next up with arrow, that will be the place where the diagonals cross
(01:32 PM) Buffy_04364: where they cross on higher pyra setting it tos in lower
(01:32 PM) Buffy_04364: make sense?
(01:33 PM) Buffy_04364: jimmer it is playing a part is whether I want to take the trade or not
(01:33 PM) ppusa: sell signal nq very short term
(01:33 PM) Buffy_04364: if weakness in chart coicides with TOS or diag will be quicker to exit
(01:33 PM) Daniel X: if 53 doesn't hold watck for a 20 point pb to 40 roughfly
(01:33 PM) Buffy_04364: 52.50 as far as pyra concerned
(01:34 PM) Buffy_04364: we are close again daniel!
(01:34 PM) Buffy_04364: :-)
(01:34 PM) Daniel X: lol
(01:34 PM) ispe_bc: adx  hit 60 on 5M
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(01:34 PM) Daniel X: wow thats alot
(01:34 PM) Buffy_04364: it is getting up there !
(01:35 PM) Buffy_04364: tks ispe_bc
(01:35 PM) latkinso: Buffy: did you say that 
(01:35 PM) latkinso: ASI should be 1
(01:35 PM) Buffy_04364: yes
(01:35 PM) Daniel X: now 2 attmpts to 58
(01:35 PM) Buffy_04364: let me check
(01:35 PM) Buffy_04364: yes it is
(01:35 PM) Daniel X: b 4 we continue
(01:36 PM) Buffy_04364: no close below BOS
(01:36 PM) Buffy_04364: so consider it respected so far
(01:36 PM) Daniel X: 1rst attempt
(01:36 PM) Buffy_04364: have to remember guys I haven't seen pyra in a trend like this
(01:37 PM) ppusa: where does retro get sell signal?
(01:37 PM) Daniel X: hope it doesn't go yet
(01:37 PM) Buffy_04364: volume has dropped off on most of these pullbacks also
(01:37 PM) dave_b_quik: if this makes a reversal pattern like a 2B on the NQ5m, retro would short the next 15m break
(01:40 PM) Daniel X: PnF pullback satisfied
(01:40 PM) ppusa: 48 minimum
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(01:41 PM) ppusa: Dan 1248
(01:41 PM) ppusa: 15  obot
(01:41 PM) ppusa: think lower
(01:41 PM) jimbo_320: never thought i see the day retro gets out too early
(01:41 PM) ppusa: 2B break?
(01:42 PM) Daniel X: im going by retracement "Os"
(01:42 PM) ppusa: finally HOD?
(01:42 PM) Daniel X: should not have comethis far down
(01:43 PM) ppusa: 10 point pb to here
(01:43 PM) ppusa: i got some of it
(01:43 PM) ppusa: still think more due
(01:43 PM) dave_b_quik: LOL, jimbo, thinking about a rule to let retro stay in during ABC retracements
(01:43 PM) ppusa: crossing 200 ma 30 tick
(01:44 PM) Daniel X: 1rst negative move since1235
(01:44 PM) ppusa: empty the truck
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(01:45 PM) Daniel X: somewaht of a DB break @ 48
(01:46 PM) ppusa: short
(01:46 PM) ppusa: help
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(01:47 PM) Daniel X: come on stay below 53
(01:47 PM) ppusa: never broke 200ma rallied off it
(01:47 PM) ppusa: hanging in 
(01:48 PM) ppusa: 200 point PnF reverses at 1300 area.
(01:48 PM) Daniel X: thnx
(01:48 PM) ppusa: maybe I better chill for awhile after this 
(01:48 PM) Daniel X: thinking the same LOL!!!!
(01:48 PM) Daniel X: keep what u got
(01:49 PM) ppusa: 56.5 swing high 30 tick
(01:50 PM) ppusa: or last high whatever
(01:50 PM) ppusa: loose, make it back, loose, make it back
(01:51 PM) ppusa: no fun 
(01:51 PM) Buffy_04364: diagonal in pyra caught it - posted
(01:51 PM) ppusa: what happened to get ahead
(01:52 PM) Buffy_04364: I don't think this market knows logic today
(01:52 PM) Buffy_04364: doing its thing
(01:52 PM) dave_b_quik: breakout!!
(01:52 PM) ppusa: fighting up trend not smart
(01:52 PM) jimmer49: macd conservative buy on NQ 3 min - entry was 51ish
(01:53 PM) ppusa: majority of move is up so why go short thinking top
(01:53 PM) jimbo_320: short trending days low reward high risk
(01:54 PM) jimbo_320: but long trending days high reward low risk
(01:54 PM) dbphoenix: That's why I always wait for the retest failure.  I don't get as many points when it fails, but I don't lose any at all.
(01:54 PM) ppusa: really messed up this morning...should have looked at the S&P and bot
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(01:54 PM) ppusa: right dbp
(01:55 PM) jimbo_320: but i be selling 80es
(01:55 PM) jimbo_320: :-)
(01:55 PM) ppusa: i caught some of the pb's but then the next one caught me
(01:55 PM) dbphoenix: Problem is it can make quite a move before giving you an entry, but I haven't found a strategy yet with no pimples.
(01:56 PM) jimbo_320: i must admit i do sometimes go straight in without setup but rarley
(01:57 PM) dbphoenix: If I did, that's the point when I'd lose my connection.
(01:58 PM) jimmer49: Not to mention what else
(01:59 PM) BrainStorm: so ppusa current HoD ?
(01:59 PM) BrainStorm: or are we there already ?
(01:59 PM) Buffy_04364: pyra is unreal tagged tos
(01:59 PM) BrainStorm: tos buffy?
(01:59 PM) Daniel X: +2.5
(01:59 PM) Buffy_04364: top of square
(01:59 PM) BrainStorm: ahh ok
(02:00 PM) BrainStorm: did it stay in a channel up?
(02:00 PM) Buffy_04364: posted
(02:00 PM) Buffy_04364: coming to time line also
(02:00 PM) jimbo_320: hod at the close
(02:00 PM) Daniel X: WOW NQ + 100 has been a while!!!
(02:01 PM) jimbo_320: that is nearly 10%
(02:02 PM) Buffy_04364: wonder if someone knows the stimulus package
(02:02 PM) wayne_53: Dave......the first bar to break previous high is poke bar.  The next bar can also be considered for placing a stop below the low of that bar.  What characteristics does the 2ns bar need to qualify?
(02:02 PM) Daniel X: Train at 2:20 on top of all tis?!!!
(02:03 PM) Buffy_04364: we have an rsi divergence to watch
(02:03 PM) ppusa: lower low
(02:03 PM) wayne_53: does the high and low straddle the line drawn  or does the opening of the 2nd bar have to be below the poke
(02:03 PM) Buffy_04364: lots of distribution tails in candles too
(02:03 PM) jimbo_320: trin from 2.5 to 0.5
(02:04 PM) Buffy_04364: on 3m
(02:04 PM) dave_b_quik: wayne, trader vic uses the horizontal line fro the previous swing for his stop, so in this case where the 2nd bar is right on the line, i guess we'll cal it a poke bar
(02:04 PM) Buffy_04364: tks jimbo
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(02:05 PM) ppusa: watch slope of 200 ma on 30 tick
(02:05 PM) wayne_53: thnx Dave
(02:05 PM) ppusa: 58 minimum pb here
(02:05 PM) ppusa: looking for 53 area\
(02:05 PM) ppusa: 53 or lower
(02:05 PM) jimbo_320: hangman on es3 at 75, itchy sellers
(02:06 PM) ppusa: break the darn 200 you slug
(02:06 PM) ppusa: right on here
(02:07 PM) ppusa: i have a ton of trades to update into quicken
(02:07 PM) Buffy_04364: wonder if this is the result of all the accumulation we have seen on ticki +22 since last weds?
(02:09 PM) dave_b_quik: george, we hear you
(02:10 PM) dave_b_quik: nobody's perfect
(02:10 PM) sexy_george: ok kewl
(02:11 PM) jimbo_320: 1255 is bottom of todays uptrend
(02:12 PM) ppusa: 55 200 ma
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(02:15 PM) dbphoenix: Interesting how far we can go on the basis of "comments".
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(02:19 PM) latkinso: Buffy: Has anyone invited Don Hall to one of thursday nite chat sessions?
(02:19 PM) jimbo_320: MSFT 6.31%
(02:20 PM) jimbo_320: CSCO 21%
(02:20 PM) skyprince_1: Thursday night?  Is that a "retro" chat?
(02:20 PM) jimbo_320: ORCL 11% some big moves up today
(02:20 PM) latkinso: Dont know, as I am new, thought I saw where they had some type of discussion groups on thur nites
(02:21 PM) skyprince_1: oh
(02:22 PM) ppusa: nq should drop below 47
(02:22 PM) ppusa: puts 10 point PnF into sell sig
(02:22 PM) dave_b_quik: ya, what's the topic for Thursday?
(02:22 PM) Buffy_04364: now but was going to see if Howard would have one with him - more people should show up
(02:22 PM) dbphoenix: 48 was pullback low.
(02:22 PM) ppusa: yes, just took it out
(02:23 PM) Buffy_04364: retro sounds good dave - going over the days charts - answering ? - sure has proved it works LOL
(02:23 PM) ppusa: all i had to do was wait until the slope of the 200ma on the tick chart flattened out and go short
(02:23 PM) Buffy_04364: anyother suggestions out there
(02:24 PM) ppusa: instead i have double digit number of orders to b/e
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(02:28 PM) Daniel X: ahh come on not again!!!
(02:28 PM) skyprince_1: Retro stopped out twice in a row...stand aside?
(02:29 PM) dave_b_quik: oh, ya, i was having so much fun i forgot to stand aside
(02:29 PM) skyprince_1: :)
(02:29 PM) Daniel X: Retro gave back 10 of the 200 points?
(02:29 PM) Daniel X: lol
(02:29 PM) skyprince_1: Tip to the dealer?
(02:29 PM) jimmer49: MACD conservative buy on 3 & 5 min NQ - entry was 49 or 52.5 depending on method
(02:30 PM) dave_b_quik: last 4 retro trades were -0.5, -3.5, +1, -2
(02:30 PM) dbphoenix: What about the sells on MACD downticks?
(02:30 PM) dave_b_quik: dono that one
(02:31 PM) Daniel X: 15 min chart 4 sideways bars
(02:31 PM) dbphoenix: I assume Bruns' strategy is not just for entering long.
(02:31 PM) Daniel X: NQ
(02:31 PM) jimmer49: Inverse for short of course
(02:32 PM) dbphoenix: How many short signals have been given?
(02:32 PM) dave_b_quik: on retro? 3
(02:32 PM) dbphoenix: No, the Bruns MACD.
(02:32 PM) jimmer49: no macd conservaive short sigs today that I have seen
(02:33 PM) dbphoenix: You don't sell when the MACD ticks down?
(02:33 PM) jimbo_320: dont we often spike up on daily before we sell off?
(02:33 PM) jimmer49: That is not what the conservative setup is
(02:33 PM) Buffy_04364: were all his losses short against the trend?
(02:33 PM) dbphoenix: What has to be present for the buy other than the MACD ticking up?
(02:34 PM) jimmer49: Slow line above base lin (zero) and fast line below and then turning up
(02:34 PM) jimmer49: macd 3,11,17
(02:34 PM) dave_b_quik: 3 of retro's losses were counter trend, 1 loss with trend was almost BE
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(02:35 PM) dbphoenix: Thx
(02:35 PM) jimmer49: db - also must be with trend
(02:36 PM) jimbo_320: 1000 tick
(02:36 PM) dbphoenix: Fast line wasn't below the zero line on that last buy, tho, correct?
(02:37 PM) jimmer49: On 3 min it was
(02:37 PM) jimmer49: and on 5 min
(02:37 PM) jimmer49: just barely
(02:39 PM) jimbo_320: sold half es +3.75
(02:39 PM) skyprince_1: So Dave...on this move, would retro exit at test of HOD?
(02:40 PM) dave_b_quik: if it fails, yes
(02:40 PM) skyprince_1: thnks
(02:40 PM) jimbo_320: dow 9108
(02:40 PM) dave_b_quik: in other words close stops on the 5m bars until the test either passes or fails
(02:41 PM) skyprince_1: ic
(02:43 PM) jimmer49: Out macd cons buy position +13. Last 3 signals +30 +15 +13.  Missed the first one.
(02:44 PM) dave_b_quik: nice goin, jimmmer!
(02:44 PM) jimmer49: Could still be in this last one depending on exit method
(02:44 PM) jimmer49: Good ol Mike
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(02:45 PM) ann_87: great jimmer
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(02:47 PM) BrainStorm: Hmm PC froze that hasn't happened for months
(02:47 PM) BrainStorm: time to get a new one hehe (nay excuse)
(02:48 PM) BrainStorm: 5 min 1 2 3 top perhaps
(02:50 PM) skyprince_1: Yep
(02:50 PM) jimmer49: Mike Bruns 3 point macd divergence short on NQ 3 minand 5 min
(02:50 PM) BrainStorm: Is this MB stuff on the web somwhere jimmer ?
(02:51 PM) skyprince_1: Got 1 and 2...three is way down there...
(02:51 PM) BrainStorm: the way i number it I have 1 2 3 in but need break out at 2 to confirm the trend change
(02:52 PM) jimmer49: Mike Bruns is co-author with Teresa of Trading Manual referred to sometimes here.
(02:52 PM) BrainStorm: ahh OK would you recomment it ?
(02:52 PM) jimmer49: Used to be a regular with us and sort of teacher
(02:52 PM) BrainStorm: its about 175 isnt it ?
(02:52 PM) jimbo_320: out +4 on the rest
(02:52 PM) dave_b_quik: has anybody heard from mike lately?
(02:53 PM) ann_87: yea
(02:53 PM) ann_87: he is doing room with gorilla trader
(02:53 PM) jimmer49: Yes, would recommend.  You can find on trendvue websits
(02:53 PM) ppusa: hard to believe the big picture is stocks will turn 180 degrees from here so likely more up???
(02:53 PM) dave_b_quik: oh, no wonder i haven't seen GT either
(02:53 PM) jimbo_320: out too soon
(02:53 PM) ppusa: just bot here and out
(02:54 PM) jimmer49: $275
(02:54 PM) ann_87: dave is retro allowed to buy again the last 15 mnbar?
(02:54 PM) dbphoenix: BS, I understand the TTM is mostly transcripts of sessions along with what is mostly in the free manual.  You may want to study the free one and sign up for a week with her before plunking down the big bucks.
(02:54 PM) jimmer49: Was better to have when he was here and we were all using it and talking about it.  Retro and other things have gotten us away from that.
(02:55 PM) BrainStorm: thanks db intend to do just that
(02:55 PM) dbphoenix: Do you have the free manual yet?
(02:55 PM) ann_87: BS iI recommend the manual...mike's section is also excellent
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(02:55 PM) BrainStorm: no I hear it is due to be sent soon...signed up for it
(02:56 PM) jimmer49: db - I don't think you will see Mike's setups in the free manual, but could be wrong
(02:57 PM) dbphoenix: Try that again.  http://www.trendvue.com/display/?item=/learning/book.html
(02:58 PM) dbphoenix: I don't think they are, jimmer.  But they seem pretty straightforward.
(02:59 PM) dbphoenix: Did that link post?
(02:59 PM) Buffy_04364: yes it did
(02:59 PM) dbphoenix: That's the link to the manual.  I don't know why they don't just send the thing out.
(03:01 PM) Daniel X: Jimbo u still holding a 29 from Monday/
(03:02 PM) Daniel X: ?
(03:02 PM) donsuelo: Thanks for the book link .I've been waiting for an indication that it was available.
(03:02 PM) Daniel X: when is it mailing?
(03:03 PM) BrainStorm: that flips me to there main page
(03:03 PM) dbphoenix: Maybe they're trying to put it in pdf format.  But she gave me this link weeks ago.
(03:03 PM) Daniel X: PDF  oh ok kewl
(03:04 PM) dbphoenix: BS, it should take you to a page that's headed Road To Profits, beginning with Preface and continuing on to the text with charts.
(03:05 PM) dbphoenix: It's pretty much what was in the files on the old Yahoo site, but organized and with charts.
(03:05 PM) Jesse888: giddy up
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(03:05 PM) Daniel X: sniff sniff   i like the smell of burning shorts  sniff sniff  smells like  like Victory or V bottom
(03:06 PM) BrainStorm: is this the correct url http://www.trendvue.com/display/
(03:06 PM) Daniel X: PP 1300 ?
(03:06 PM) Daniel X: he must be scalping like a.......
(03:06 PM) jimbo_320: i pity any shorts who took the day off today....
(03:07 PM) Daniel X: lol me too  good one!!
(03:07 PM) jimbo_320: go to go, dont expect much more past 80.
(03:07 PM) jimbo_320: see yall tommorrow
(03:08 PM) Daniel X: i wonder where the major players stops are
(03:08 PM) BrainStorm: take care jimbo
(03:08 PM) jimbo_320: for the selloff..
(03:08 PM) Daniel X: bye Jimbo
(03:08 PM) jimbo_320: bye all
(03:08 PM) ann_87: brainstorm that is it
(03:08 PM) BrainStorm: ahh Ok thanks
(03:09 PM) Jesse888: weeeeeee
(03:09 PM) ann_87: under resources is trading manual if that is what you are looking for
(03:11 PM) ann_87: sp's close gap at 79