Welcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders and TrendVUE.com alumni. Today's charts at www.DaCharts.com WARNING: Any trades posted here are for educational purposes only. Don't take the trades unless you understand them and can take the risk. elly_34: don't think so jimbo BrainStorm: bissed a 2B top by a point on the nas elly_34: jeez this pyra is amazing jimbo_320: out the rest for +6.5 Buffy_04364: isn't it though elly elly_34: someday buffy will u do an ah discussion on how u use it? ab_18: "This is b/c of window-dressing." (quote) BrainStorm: I was impressed when I looked at it but figured if you drew a fine grid like that in more or less any fashion stuff would fall into its channels? elly_34: the time element though is rather amazing BrainStorm: Seems like you can draw it anchored anywhere and stuff falls into the lattice Buffy_04364: yes and that is all calculated the minute you anchor it in conjuction with the indicators jimbo_320: dow +72 Buffy_04364: like the one I posted yesterday with the arrow usaf_man: hi room BrainStorm: certainly intresting will get the book but have a whole backlog of reeding and some of my favourite trade books I like to read 3 or 4 times BrainStorm: that should be reading ...youd have thought some spelling might have rubbed off hehe Buffy_04364: as they should be brainman cause you get a little more out of them each time Buffy_04364: going through the pyra section on the website fills it in pretty good BrainStorm: yes I have skimmed through Buffy_04364: time line on pyra again 4m BrainStorm: Trader vic is next on my list Paltalk: Click banners to visit our sponsors. BrainStorm: dropped below the previous high on the 5 min does that count as a 2B ? Buffy_04364: lower high Paltalk: Get 4 DVDs for 49˘ each plus s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ˘ EACH! Buffy_04364: sets up a 123 Buffy_04364: retro should of tightened stops on the ib Buffy_04364: I believe Buffy_04364: or maybe not because not true ib Buffy_04364: dave? ppusa: bdx is down 34 but for some reason ran up at close so really only down 12 comparatively ppusa: ndx elly_34: buffy is there a way to move pyra without deleteing it and starting over? Buffy_04364: if you go back to the anchor pt you can drag it Buffy_04364: I have indicators as a template so that stays and just delete it when I want to move it elly_34: dang i disappeared it somehow jimbo_320: should of kept my short.... Daniel X: 1017.25 was good entry ppusa: yes took a an extra leg but nq giving up fast jimbo_320: sold 57.5 but covered at 50 :-( Buffy_04364: missed money better than lost money jimbo Buffy_04364: :-) ppusa: sold 57 covered 55.5 Buffy_04364: we can't get it all ppusa: no whining BrainStorm: I'd settle for 7.5 everytime raz_62: did anyone ever say where the retro exit was jimbo_320: last time we had i run up like this i had 20 up and 20 down :-) raz_62: 48? Buffy_04364: do't think so raz BrainStorm: I'd settle for 20 each way too! in fact I'd double up for that ppusa: better than being caught short at top of first leg BrainStorm: haven't got the exits off completely pat yet raz raz_62: no Buffy_04364: can ask dave BrainStorm: was a statemet :-) raz_62: first poke subsquent bar ib raz_62: lots of choices Buffy_04364: that is why I just guess cause that wasn't a true IB and dave doesn't always use them for exits Buffy_04364: only the true ones but he will use the ones with even for adds jimbo_320: 55 up and 55 down, great trading on nqs BrainStorm: the exits seem a little more fluid from what I recall raz_62: what wasnt real about it Paltalk: Credit report online. Always private, always secure, get yours FREE from ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! Buffy_04364: both ends inside no even end Buffy_04364: Mike counts both types T doesn't raz_62: ah raz_62: thanks Buffy_04364: u welc Buffy_04364: beanman has posted some more pyra charts of his Daniel X: i count both Daniel X: too BrainStorm: youre talking about a 1 2 3 here ? jimbo_320: posted trades Paltalk: Get 12 FREE CDs! Click for Details, CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! elly_34: nice eod so far jimbo_320: dow, es hod BrainStorm: tick almost hit 1000 again Buffy_04364: lower high on 3m though Buffy_04364: lower high up through 9m BrainStorm: yes % min shows a 1-2-3 top (the way I do them which I think is differnt) Daniel X: i'll be back at 4:30 for meeting...PPUSA you better stick around i want to hear your strategy on money management. elly_34: this is not good buffy Buffy_04364: what elly elly_34: every time i reconnec the 5 min is missing data Buffy_04364: the 123? elly_34: i should not have to do that each time Buffy_04364: yes it has no way to update Paltalk: Love PalTalk but hate the banners and popups? Go bannerless! Only $9.95 per year! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. Buffy_04364: closing and opening workspace should fix it elly_34: i got booted once, then had to change isp elly_34: ok Buffy_04364: it will then request the data Buffy_04364: might want to ask Howard if closing and opening best way to fix it Buffy_04364: I think it is Paltalk: Get 4 DVDs for 49˘ each plush s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ˘ EACH! BrainStorm: 4:30 chat time ? Buffy_04364: yes BrainStorm: good need half an hour to clear my head elly_34: i will not be able to stay, can someone please save the dialogue? BrainStorm: was hoping to get tuesdays too if anyone can oblige ? Buffy_04364: I think tues is posted to website BrainStorm: ahh OK thanks Buffy_04364: elly will be doing a lot of talking but will be around tomorrow night and over the weekend also jimbo_320: is there a chat tonight? Buffy_04364: if I am in room use the mike to get my attention though as the window is uaually buried dave_b_quik: ya elly_34: oh so it will be microphone elly_34: durn sorry i will miss it Buffy_04364: for me it will be jimbo_320: what is it on? elly_34: well i will leave the window open and see what i get Buffy_04364: like I said will be around later Buffy_04364: not tonight as I have bridge game elly_34: k elly_34: buffy i had to do what howard showed me elly_34: even shutting down and re opening did not work elly_34: fyi BrainStorm: not sure if audio working for me...anyone using audio here? BrainStorm: not getting sound except from the anoying pop up when I close pal jimbo_320: socks still dow 3% on the day Buffy_04364: we will do sound check brainstorm Buffy_04364: no one talking now Buffy_04364: ending in a triangle ick!! BrainStorm: Sure just never heard anything come through thought I might be going deaf Buffy_04364: don't blame you but typing all day lets all go back who leave machine and the talking doesn't interrupt your concentration on a trade wayne_53: Been away for awhile this afternoon. Is there a meeting on PalTalk today? Paltalk: Get your FREE credit report @ ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! BrainStorm: yes Wayne money management is the topic I believe wayne_53: thnx Buffy_04364: tks brainstorm was busy Buffy_04364: so we are in a triangle any bets for tomorrow LOL ppusa: Dan wrote: i'll be back at 4:30 for meeting...PPUSA you better stick around i want to hear your strategy on money management. Please tell him I have none and therefore don;t have strategy. ppusa: time to play, bye all dave_b_quik: i bet something's gonna happen tomorrow BrainStorm: up down or sideways I bet elly_34: dave, where did retro finally exit? raz_62: do you know the total for today dave? elly_34: the ones from the bottom? jimbo_320: could just be a short covering bounce.. Buffy_04364: could you hear me? dave_b_quik: looks like retro dude only pulled off 70 points :-( Buffy_04364: I have been bumped so many times............ raz_62: great dave_b_quik: shoulda had 100+ jimbo_320: dave, might beat him today... Buffy_04364: great jimbo!! jimbo_320: i guess i'll find out when i get my statement Buffy_04364: did you beat your best day? dave_b_quik: no, not even close dave_b_quik: 3/9 retro mighta done better Buffy_04364: oh knew that for retro dave was asking jimbo jimbo_320: dunno, trading nq today, $1600 per contract on es is going to be very hard to beat.. raz_62: no buffy raz_62: my sound is fried Dá: guess no one can hear me brb dave_b_quik: anybody talking? dave_b_quik: anybody have the whole transcript for today? dave_b_quik: sounds good, raz Paltalk: Britney,Dido,Outkast,+ MORE! 12 CDs Free + s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! raz_62: cant hear though raz_62: gotta check it out Buffy_04364: could you hear me Dave? BrainStorm: cant hear here Buffy_04364: looks like a reboot dave_b_quik: nobody hears me? BrainStorm: but as I said earlier to buffy havent a clue wether my set up works Buffy_04364: brb jimbo_320: y Buffy_04364: I hear you fine dave dave_b_quik: OK BrainStorm: that means my set up screwed :-( jimbo_320: if retro had of bailed on 60 he'd of made buckets dave_b_quik: ya, need a rule for spikes BrainStorm: killed firewall gona re start dave_b_quik: retro didn't do very well in the morning either jimbo_320: 0 losers today BrainStorm: could someone give me another sound check pls ? dave_b_quik: wow, jimbo, when are you gonna give us a seminar? dave_b_quik: i was talking... BrainStorm: grr hate paltalk raz_62: where did you exit dave and do you not follow the 2b with the subsquent poke bars jimbo_320: side on the side as much as possible till days like today .. jimbo_320: then fill up Buffy_04364: could anyone hear that? texskeet: y Buffy_04364: yahoo Buffy_04364: tks BrainStorm: something messed my end :-( texskeet: need more vol. Buffy_04364: can u hear brainstorm? texskeet: no BrainStorm: No but dont wait for me Buffy_04364: we have time BrainStorm: I'll try the paltalk web help Buffy_04364: have you done the advanced sound control setting? jimbo_320: where is gsd, havent seeh here for some time or GT Buffy_04364: in the first paltalk window you see when loading paltalk, click on file Buffy_04364: setup BrainStorm: yes Im there Buffy_04364: then advanced sound control Buffy_04364: I have all but the second one checked Buffy_04364: the last one depends on if you are behind a firewall Paltalk: Please support our sponsors by clicking on banners. Buffy_04364: are you running zonealarm? BrainStorm: Yeah but turned it off now (had opened up the ports) Buffy_04364: if so need to exit change setting to low then come back in Buffy_04364: then you can move them to med Buffy_04364: most of the time BrainStorm: have it off altogether now jimbo_320: what is the chat on today? Buffy_04364: the importance of money manaement Buffy_04364: most probably old hat to you jimbo Paltalk: Get 4 DVDs for 49˘ each plus s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ˘ EACH! jimbo_320: i have a bit more leeway since last month LOL... Buffy_04364: just the basics otherwise could talk for days Buffy_04364: brainstorm changing zonealarm when I had it while still in paltalk did not fix it for me jimbo_320: at 4.30? Buffy_04364: yes Buffy_04364: trying to help the ones who can't hear jimbo_320: ok thanks, i stick around a bit but probably shoot off have a great chat,thanks BrainStorm: I'll quickly restart Pal BrainStorm: Hm,mm adds work well enough please continue cafe: Hi, Gunner !! hawki: hi all.just posted 5m chart overlayed with previous 15m box. raz_62: hey got sound raz_62: cool larrybf: these guys teach much better raz_62: was zonealarm cafe: lol jimbo_320: it works (04:31 PM) jimbo_320: thats ok gunner (04:31 PM) dave_b_quik: gunner i keep getting kicked out of gunners targets (04:31 PM) jimbo_320: is it still the same? (04:32 PM) dave_b_quik: i'm on win2k (04:32 PM) dave_b_quik: ok (04:32 PM) jimbo_320: gunner that day was pretty awful trading so i think i got fed up and did some decorating (04:34 PM) wayne_53: Let's rumble Paltalk: Credit report online. Always private, always secure, get yours FREE from ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! (04:36 PM) dave_b_quik: http://www.dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart.com/charts/money_management/ (04:37 PM) dave_b_quik: wow! (04:38 PM) dave_b_quik: i wonder what it would be if we could do 75% with the small losses... (04:40 PM) laniermasters: I got disconnected, which chart are we one? (04:41 PM) laniermasters: thx (04:44 PM) jimbo_320: when you're thinking that look at your original entry and think 'is this trade reason i entered 4 still valid or not, if not get out' (04:45 PM) dave_b_quik: good advice Paltalk: Get 12 FREE CDs! Click for Details, CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! (04:47 PM) Fredkzk: hi everybody (04:47 PM) Fredkzk: i swap my 32 sq meters room in paris with a room in L.A (04:49 PM) dave_b_quik: would you settle for a room in buffalo, fred? (04:50 PM) Daniel X: sorry im late was watching Oprah (04:52 PM) jimbo_320: strange those moves were start of day and end of day? a pattern there? Paltalk: Press the INVITE button NOW! Get your friends in on the fun! Invite them to join us on PalTalk today! (04:55 PM) Daniel X: revenge trading i call it Paltalk: Get 4 DVDs for 49˘ each plush s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ˘ EACH! (04:56 PM) rodman_3: it really depends on percent winners, if 60% winners then 1 to 1 risk reward leaves equity increasing on 20% of trades, 2 to 1 results in equity increasing on 40% of trades etc (04:59 PM) jimbo_320: is your stop to tight ? million dollar question, starting trading it is more important to avoid drawdown, you WILL get more losers with tight stops, but once you get a big winner, it will give u more leeway to set a looser stop. (05:00 PM) larrybf: Buffy-shouldnt these questions ALL be answered statistically/mathematically? (05:00 PM) ab_18: tell us some war stories about risk (05:01 PM) dave_b_quik: like my first Nasdaq trade when i got into the big contract thinking i was in the mini? (05:01 PM) rodman_3: you should know the statistics so that you can control your emotions (05:01 PM) Tom_B: Can we discuss multiple positions, & scaling out (05:02 PM) Tom_B: wud like to hear wht Jimbo does, also (05:02 PM) Daniel X: will be slow (05:02 PM) Daniel X: typing (05:02 PM) larrybf: Buffy-in my previous business life i uilt a relatively successful business using the law of averages in sales. Consistent apllication will override all negatives (05:02 PM) larrybf: uilt=built (05:02 PM) Daniel X: 1rst off how many retro entries yeild points from the get go? (05:03 PM) Buffy_04364: many of them (05:03 PM) Daniel X: ? (05:03 PM) Daniel X: can someone give me a % (05:03 PM) Buffy_04364: true larry please comment on it when daniel is through (05:03 PM) Daniel X: 75% (05:03 PM) sunny_850: 85 (05:03 PM) Daniel X: thats wahy im asking (05:04 PM) Daniel X: wnat to see waht the room thinks (05:04 PM) larrybf: we finally disagree on something.oh well thats what discussion is for (05:04 PM) Daniel X: i feel much higher (05:04 PM) Daniel X: my style i enter2 contracts cut on hesitation hold retro for the rset (05:05 PM) Buffy_04364: larry - not sayng we disagreee but would like to understand better what you are saying and expand upon it (05:05 PM) Daniel X: 2 on 1 out on a scalp the other stays on retro rules (05:05 PM) larrybf: Buffy i got to go buy a mike. i have no mike and as you know by now i type like a 5 year old (05:05 PM) Daniel X: always (05:05 PM) Daniel X: always (05:05 PM) Daniel X: always Paltalk: Get your FREE credit report @ ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! (05:05 PM) Daniel X: +2 (05:05 PM) Daniel X: +3 (05:05 PM) Daniel X: what ever (05:05 PM) laniermasters: Daniel, are you using a mic? (05:06 PM) Daniel X: that way if my 5 point gets hit im still ahead (05:06 PM) Buffy_04364: they are real cheap larry - usually 5-10 bucks (05:06 PM) Daniel X: of sittong like an idiot holding a 15 min break a lod (05:06 PM) Tom_B: Daniel , 2 pts initial target on unit 1 ? (05:06 PM) larrybf: go to radio shack buffy (05:06 PM) larrybf: ??? (05:06 PM) Daniel X: not points hesitation (05:06 PM) raz_62: walmart (05:07 PM) Tom_B: k (05:07 PM) Buffy_04364: oh they are more there (05:07 PM) Buffy_04364: just the simple heaset mike (05:07 PM) Buffy_04364: hmmm (05:07 PM) larrybf: thanks raz (05:07 PM) raz_62: labtech 15bucks (05:07 PM) Tom_B: how abt stops Daniel ? (05:07 PM) Daniel X: u have to look at Retro entries and see what gets hit first (05:07 PM) larrybf: labtech.com? (05:07 PM) jody_15: Labtec $15...me too ...WalMart (05:07 PM) Tom_B: trailing (05:07 PM) Daniel X: 3 point profit or 5 point sto[p? (05:07 PM) Daniel X: atop? (05:07 PM) Tom_B: , ok (05:08 PM) Buffy_04364: labtech is what walmart sells I think larry (05:08 PM) Tom_B: do u go to b/e (05:08 PM) larrybf: ok thanks (05:08 PM) Daniel X: Retro gives some profit before the loss almost every time (05:08 PM) Daniel X: 15/9/5/1 (05:08 PM) Buffy_04364: tks (05:09 PM) Daniel X: yes (05:09 PM) Daniel X: like to day up 1137.50 (05:09 PM) Buffy_04364: and then the original contract has stops on the 5M like retro right? (05:09 PM) Daniel X: trading 2 contracts on ES cuting 1 over 1 point (05:10 PM) Daniel X: thats right Buffy (05:10 PM) Buffy_04364: you never lose the whole 5pts on a retro stop then (05:10 PM) Daniel X: very rarely (05:10 PM) wayne_53: Daniel.....Are retro trades coming off a 15m/5m setup or 9m/3m or others (05:10 PM) Daniel X: right (05:10 PM) Daniel X: never (05:11 PM) laniermasters: which works best trading ES? (05:11 PM) Daniel X: both depends on volume and how many Retro enties get stopped at a loss (05:11 PM) laniermasters: ok (05:12 PM) Buffy_04364: do you ever add contracts like retro daniel (05:12 PM) Daniel X: ES 9/6/1 (05:12 PM) Daniel X: 9/5/1 sorry (05:13 PM) Daniel X: no that often Buffy (05:13 PM) Buffy_04364: tks (05:13 PM) larrybf: dan can retro rules be applied to a 3/1 minute combo? (05:13 PM) laniermasters: 9 for entry, 5 for retro stop, and 1 for hestittion exit on first contract, right? (05:13 PM) Daniel X: thats right Lanier (05:13 PM) laniermasters: thx (05:13 PM) Daniel X: larry yes (05:14 PM) Daniel X: but i find them too close (05:14 PM) Daniel X: today i took 6 trades (05:14 PM) Daniel X: missed afew (05:14 PM) wayne_53: what do you consider hesitaton on the 1......taking out the low of a previous bar or what (05:14 PM) Daniel X: 14.50 points on the holder (05:14 PM) Daniel X: 8.25 points on the scalper (05:14 PM) larrybf: yes but i think a smaller time frame handles congestion better, doesnt it? (05:15 PM) Daniel X: hesistatation on the 1 min looks like a reversal Paltalk: Britney,Dido,Outkast,+ MORE! 12 CDs Free + s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! (05:16 PM) Daniel X: Wayne price action and volume tells me if we're going to move or not (05:16 PM) Daniel X: up on low volume down on high vol etc etc (05:17 PM) Daniel X: yes (05:17 PM) wayne_53: define low and high vol (05:17 PM) laniermasters: 14.5 pts. seems like a lot to indicate hesitation (05:17 PM) Daniel X: the hardest trade for me is the coming out of lunch trdae (05:18 PM) Daniel X: ? (05:18 PM) Daniel X: lost u there lanier (05:18 PM) laniermasters: 14.5 x $20 (NQ) or x $50 (ES) (05:18 PM) Daniel X: combined trades i'm talking (05:18 PM) Daniel X: all ES (05:19 PM) Daniel X: 6 trades (05:19 PM) Daniel X: 1 loss (05:19 PM) Daniel X: of a point (05:19 PM) Daniel X: WAYNE declining incresaing volume on 5/1 minute (05:19 PM) wayne_53: ok (05:19 PM) Daniel X: any other questions (05:19 PM) laniermasters: you're talking about money you made -I thought you were answering a question about hesitation. makes more sense. (05:20 PM) Daniel X: well yes i cut 1 contract on hesitation (05:20 PM) larrybf: dan- why do you switch between the es and nq contracts? (05:20 PM) Daniel X: ES doesn't move as much as NQ (05:21 PM) Daniel X: NQ been very choppy lately (05:21 PM) larrybf: true true (05:21 PM) Daniel X: even though the trade was a good one u got stopped out (05:22 PM) Buffy_04364: anyone have any other thoughts on Money management or any questions? (05:22 PM) Daniel X: ES has less scalpers and signals follow through seem like less fakes (05:22 PM) Tom_B: add on contracts (05:22 PM) Tom_B: on 5m retro style... Paltalk: You DO have a choice! Buy bannerless to end your popup blues today! Click OPTIONS on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. Only $9.95 a year! That's less than THREE CENTS per day! WOW!!! (05:23 PM) Daniel X: Thing is about the adds is very few days a present them selves where the trend is strong enough (05:23 PM) Tom_B: anyone using any risk mgmt parameters before they add ? (05:24 PM) larrybf: thank you dan- those headfakes realy are a problem. maybe i should look at the es. never even watched it a full day (05:24 PM) laniermasters: A different questions, does anyone have an opinion about what time of day is most likely to result in a profitable retro trade? (05:24 PM) wayne_53: retro does pretty good on the ES (05:25 PM) Daniel X: been watching Jimbo fo 2 weeks while we were getting stopped he was doing well (05:25 PM) Buffy_04364: I am tom stop must always be profitable (05:25 PM) rodman_3: first one and half and last one and half hours (05:25 PM) Tom_B: so prev trade must not be at risk.. ? Paltalk: Get 4 DVDs for 49˘ each plus s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ˘ EACH! (05:25 PM) Buffy_04364: that is right (05:25 PM) Tom_B: k, tnx (05:25 PM) laniermasters: thanks Rod (05:26 PM) Buffy_04364: and I also put its stop where retro has his first one (05:26 PM) Buffy_04364: if retro wrong why take an added loss on add (05:26 PM) Tom_B: ? (05:26 PM) Daniel X: Lanier all i can say is i stay out from 11:30 to roughly 13:30 (05:26 PM) Buffy_04364: I think retro uses the 5pt initial stop on add (05:26 PM) laniermasters: thanks, i wish I had today (05:26 PM) Tom_B: y (05:26 PM) Tom_B: , o (05:26 PM) Buffy_04364: where as I have both at retro stop (05:26 PM) Tom_B: k (05:27 PM) Tom_B: retro TS vs initial stp (05:29 PM) pechin: anyone know how to pay for paltalk, I can not get there (05:29 PM) wayne_53: vg (05:29 PM) Daniel X: lanier u have to compare Retro's points during chop lunch versus staying out completely and determine if you want to work that hard for scalps which is what Retro ussuall gets (05:29 PM) laniermasters: Thanks Buffy, Daniel, Dave! (05:29 PM) Daniel X: thnx (05:30 PM) laniermasters: Yes, I'll start staying out at lunch. (05:30 PM) Orprepus: say again (05:30 PM) Tom_B: where is that chart ? (05:30 PM) Tom_B: tnx (05:30 PM) ann_87: Daniel, what hours do you not trade retro? (05:31 PM) Daniel X: for all those having discipline problems sticking to Retro i have a way to keep you on track once you can identify the entries and really beleive Retro works (05:31 PM) Daniel X: not hours ANN days (05:31 PM) Daniel X: chop days i go to Scalptro (05:32 PM) ann_87: Daniel do you trade it during lunch? (05:32 PM) Daniel X: i rarely trade lunch (05:33 PM) wayne_53: yeah let's hear it Daniel (05:33 PM) Daniel X: open an account with a little $ (05:33 PM) Daniel X: say the margin for the NQ (05:33 PM) Daniel X: mine is 1400 (05:33 PM) Daniel X: start with 2000 (05:34 PM) Daniel X: it will keep you from taking syupid trades (05:35 PM) Orprepus: stupid is as stupid does (05:35 PM) Daniel X: if you fall below the margin (05:35 PM) mrz_1: Daniel, please share your method for determining the transition from retro-mode to scalp-mode. (05:35 PM) Daniel X: Retro gets chopped 2 x its' most likely chop Paltalk: Credit report online. Always private, always secure, get yours FREE from ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! (05:35 PM) mrz_1: OK, thanks. (05:36 PM) wayne_53: then you go to a 5m/1m? (05:36 PM) Daniel X: yes (05:36 PM) Tom_B: es or nq (05:36 PM) Daniel X: either (05:37 PM) wayne_53: but in chop it's almost like you have to sell when it says buy and vice versa (05:37 PM) Daniel X: I use NQ as a barometer when trading ES (05:38 PM) laniermasters: also dj (05:38 PM) Daniel X: and the DOW when trading NQ (05:39 PM) mrz_1: Do scalping mode trades have point targets, like 75% of previous pivot range? Or do you try to trail the stop tightly? (05:39 PM) Daniel X: chop still needs a minimum range to trade (05:39 PM) Daniel X: no trail in scalps (05:39 PM) Daniel X: market (05:40 PM) Daniel X: u have to remember if ur scalping ur scalping (05:41 PM) Daniel X: don't worry about Buffy getting 20 points when you got 5 on a scalp! (05:41 PM) Daniel X: you can only trade in ur comfort zone (05:41 PM) Daniel X: repeat that BUF (05:42 PM) Daniel X: oh ok (05:43 PM) Daniel X: ffear of loss usualy indicates that you're under funded (05:43 PM) Daniel X: true (05:44 PM) Daniel X: need to develop beleif system (05:45 PM) Daniel X: if u beleive that what you know works you have to take the trades and let the averages take over (05:45 PM) Orprepus: right (05:46 PM) Orprepus: more a method tha system Paltalk: Get 12 FREE CDs! Click for Details, CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! (05:46 PM) Daniel X: not the same as not being afraid to trade..confident in what u see and if you're interpretation of tit is correct (05:46 PM) Orprepus: dan-x has method - go from retro to scalptro when needs to adapts to amrket (05:46 PM) Daniel X: until ur not sure ...just ask other traders here (05:47 PM) Daniel X: until u r sure i meant ..sorry (05:47 PM) Orprepus: the best imho (05:47 PM) Orprepus: and we also get howard everynow and than (05:47 PM) Daniel X: i second that (05:48 PM) Orprepus: getting better tools that allow you to adapt - like pp (05:49 PM) Orprepus: hopefully working on getting ASI in studies (05:49 PM) Daniel X: the hardest trade is when a chop day turns into a mini trend and breaks out (05:49 PM) ann_87: Dan what did you use today to know that there were 5000 bid @ 22 in NQ? (05:50 PM) Daniel X: Retro gets burned by taking the losses but is always in the runners (05:50 PM) Daniel X: lol (05:50 PM) Daniel X: exactly (05:51 PM) larrybf: dAN AND BUFFY-how do you decide which time frame to make you primary chart? (05:51 PM) larrybf: yeah (05:51 PM) Daniel X: ANN it was a joke that i was putting the order in to make NQ move up and spike me to get it moving (05:51 PM) larrybf: smootth?? explain (05:52 PM) Daniel X: me too wide snap back (05:52 PM) larrybf: so the 15min is HUGE then (05:52 PM) Daniel X: no point wise (05:52 PM) laniermasters: you mean bars close to same height? Paltalk: To visit our sponsors, click on banners! (05:53 PM) laniermasters: thanks, that's something very new to me, sounds like a good idea. (05:53 PM) larrybf: what size range bars do you like? (05:54 PM) Daniel X: in those situations which i don't recommend..when those scary huge break outs occur and i'm not in..i look for volume and go market mostly (05:54 PM) Daniel X: lol (05:54 PM) Daniel X: yes (05:55 PM) larrybf: dan do you trade 8:30 news? (05:55 PM) Daniel X: bt the time i do that i feel i'll miss too much of a potential scalp! (05:55 PM) Daniel X: lol (05:55 PM) larrybf: those breakouts are fast (05:55 PM) laniermasters: Also still use 15m bars, shorter one for more exact timing? (05:55 PM) Daniel X: no not a news trader (05:55 PM) Daniel X: i hate spikes (05:55 PM) Daniel X: yes Paltalk: Get 4 DVDs for 49˘ each plush s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ˘ EACH! (05:56 PM) Daniel X: i wait 5 mins after the news to see what they really want to do (05:57 PM) Daniel X: ouch (05:57 PM) Daniel X: oh (05:57 PM) Daniel X: phew! (05:57 PM) Daniel X: ORP any thing to add? (05:58 PM) Daniel X: take care Buffy (05:58 PM) larrybf: thanks buffy (05:58 PM) Tom_B: Tnx (05:58 PM) Orprepus: thanks buffy (05:58 PM) laniermasters: Thanks very much. (05:58 PM) scorec: where can i get some mor info about retro? (05:59 PM) Orprepus: www.dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart.com (05:59 PM) Tom_B: www.dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart.com (05:59 PM) scorec: thanks (05:59 PM) Daniel X: ORP ur the LOD/HOD trader aren't you? (05:59 PM) Orprepus: not always (06:00 PM) Orprepus: trend days yes chop no (06:00 PM) sunny_850: dan, what is the biggest stop you will do on es, 5 pts (06:01 PM) Daniel X: no no no ES 2 points (06:01 PM) sunny_850: okay thks (06:02 PM) Daniel X: ORP what's your entry exit strategy/ (06:02 PM) Daniel X: ? (06:02 PM) Orprepus: enter off 2m (06:02 PM) Daniel X: all entries? (06:02 PM) Orprepus: stop and exit set off 4m (06:02 PM) Orprepus: yes (06:02 PM) Orprepus: look for explosion in charts (06:03 PM) Daniel X: how wide of a stop? (06:03 PM) Orprepus: want tosee 2m move into 4m 4m inot 16m and so (06:03 PM) Orprepus: 3.5pt in es (06:03 PM) Daniel X: strict exits or feel and volume (06:03 PM) Daniel X: ? (06:04 PM) Orprepus: give trade 20m to work before moving stop in trend day (06:04 PM) Daniel X: 20 minutes!!?? (06:04 PM) Orprepus: in chop after 5m if not moving will pull trigger on market order (06:04 PM) Daniel X: wow (06:04 PM) Orprepus: yes 20m (06:04 PM) Orprepus: trust in trade (06:05 PM) Orprepus: you said very comfortable with method have confidence (06:06 PM) Daniel X: so you're willing to give up points by leaving stop at original place for 20 mins ? (06:06 PM) Orprepus: yes (06:06 PM) Daniel X: roughly (06:06 PM) Daniel X: got to try that (06:06 PM) Orprepus: but rarely do Paltalk: Get your FREE credit report @ ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! (06:06 PM) Orprepus: know chop and trend days (06:06 PM) Daniel X: in the first 15 mins i guess (06:07 PM) Orprepus: you got it (06:07 PM) Daniel X: or 1/2 hr? (06:07 PM) Daniel X: oh ok (06:07 PM) Orprepus: :-) (06:07 PM) Daniel X: u don't do lunch do you? (06:07 PM) Orprepus: if in trade yes (06:07 PM) Orprepus: will not enter trade during lunch (06:07 PM) Daniel X: prelunch entry yes but lunch entry? (06:08 PM) Orprepus: no way (06:08 PM) Daniel X: ah ok u type faster (06:08 PM) Daniel X: lol (06:08 PM) Daniel X: overnights? (06:09 PM) Orprepus: never (06:09 PM) Orprepus: am before open sometimes (06:09 PM) Daniel X: how close to open is 1rst entry? (06:09 PM) Orprepus: depends some times it is the open (06:09 PM) Daniel X: 9:30? (06:10 PM) Orprepus: within 30m of open will take trad (06:11 PM) Daniel X: oso as soon as market settles and 4/2 min give u the signal (06:11 PM) Orprepus: enough vol usually (06:11 PM) Orprepus: that matchs trend (06:12 PM) Orprepus: only trend trade before open (06:12 PM) Daniel X: previous days trend u mean? (06:12 PM) Daniel X: or the developing one? (06:12 PM) Orprepus: large tf (06:12 PM) Daniel X: gotcha (06:12 PM) Orprepus: what is trend of market (06:13 PM) Orprepus: down - safe to take trade with trend (06:13 PM) Daniel X: been looking at the 30 and 60 min this week to try and get an earlier entry (06:13 PM) Daniel X: but open trade needs a good wide stop (06:13 PM) Daniel X: imo (06:14 PM) Orprepus: use weekly, daily, 180m, 120m and 60M for trend (06:14 PM) Daniel X: so u trade naked on 1rst trade initailly? (06:14 PM) Daniel X: stopless (06:14 PM) Orprepus: no always have stop (06:14 PM) Daniel X: as trend emerges (06:15 PM) Daniel X: initial open ur stops has to be wide no? (06:15 PM) Daniel X: 20 points (06:15 PM) Orprepus: no always use 3.5pts (06:15 PM) Daniel X: or so you'll re enter in trand direction without hesitating? (06:16 PM) Daniel X: 3.5 on ES ..what of NQ? Paltalk: Britney,Dido,Outkast,+ MORE! 12 CDs Free + s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! (06:17 PM) Orprepus: will not always re-enter -wait for clearer signal (06:17 PM) Daniel X: i have no sound but some spoke (06:17 PM) Daniel X: oh ok (06:17 PM) Orprepus: nq 7pts stop (06:17 PM) Orprepus: didn't hear anyone and i have sound - could be ctrl key hit (06:18 PM) Daniel X: and have u compared ur style to Retro (06:18 PM) Daniel X: ? (06:18 PM) Orprepus: yes we are opposite (06:18 PM) Orprepus: I enter lower tf and exit higher (06:19 PM) Daniel X: point wise i meant (06:19 PM) Daniel X: roughly the same? (06:19 PM) Orprepus: not really (06:20 PM) Orprepus: I make money in chop (06:20 PM) Daniel X: i'm 35 % under but up 35 % on returns (06:20 PM) Orprepus: I also tend to hold the trade longer in a trend (06:21 PM) Daniel X: by not trading chop and not taking trade 1 (06:21 PM) Daniel X: yes with a wider stop (06:21 PM) Daniel X: and no inside bar rule (06:21 PM) Orprepus: right trailing stop usually wider (06:21 PM) Orprepus: right (06:22 PM) Daniel X: scale out? (06:22 PM) Orprepus: no (06:22 PM) Daniel X: all or nothing/ (06:22 PM) Daniel X: ? (06:22 PM) Orprepus: right (06:23 PM) Orprepus: in trend day more contracts (06:23 PM) Orprepus: chop few (06:23 PM) Daniel X: not even a protective extra contract? Paltalk: Subscribe to Paltalk Plus to stop the popups today! Get it NOW for less than THREE CENTS a day! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. (06:23 PM) Daniel X: scaling out/ (06:23 PM) Daniel X: ? (06:23 PM) Orprepus: no too much to manage - I trust the trade and method (06:23 PM) Orprepus: kiss (06:24 PM) Daniel X: i've never tried limit on 5 contracts only market in and out but the fills are not that bad (06:25 PM) Orprepus: get pretty good fills (06:25 PM) Daniel X: limit five do u get all filled/ (06:25 PM) Daniel X: ? (06:25 PM) Orprepus: 5-10 not to big to handled by system (06:25 PM) Orprepus: usually get fill on all 10 (06:25 PM) Daniel X: same price? (06:26 PM) Orprepus: yes (06:26 PM) Daniel X: hhhmmmm (06:26 PM) Orprepus: only on trend days (06:26 PM) Daniel X: otherwise? Paltalk: Get 4 DVDs for 49˘ each plus s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ˘ EACH! (06:27 PM) Daniel X: slippage or no fill? (06:27 PM) Orprepus: partial fill (06:27 PM) Daniel X: oh ok (06:27 PM) Orprepus: 10 in 6 filled (06:27 PM) Daniel X: and u take it or try for the rest (06:27 PM) Daniel X: i mean go with those (06:27 PM) Orprepus: usually seed it will come back and get them (06:28 PM) Orprepus: seed= see if (06:28 PM) Daniel X: oh ok (06:28 PM) Orprepus: or cancel the remainer and go with it (06:28 PM) Daniel X: you like the retarce fills (06:28 PM) Daniel X: ok thats what i wanted to know the cancelations (06:28 PM) Orprepus: no not really (06:29 PM) ann_87: Daniel, sorry to interrupt, when you said you trade 1/5/9 is that on es only or also nq? (06:29 PM) Daniel X: how long u been trading futures? (06:30 PM) Daniel X: both ANN but add 15 on NQ (06:30 PM) Daniel X: theres onlt one method that works in all markets..scalpinging (06:30 PM) Daniel X: opps (06:30 PM) ann_87: when you trade 2 contracts... and you exit the 1 contract on a little stalling , di you say yu usually can get a few nq pts or es pts? (06:31 PM) Daniel X: bad typing (06:31 PM) Daniel X: both ANN (06:31 PM) Daniel X: es and nq (06:31 PM) ann_87: so on the es u usually don't trade the 15 min? (06:31 PM) ann_87: just the 9? (06:31 PM) Daniel X: rarely (06:31 PM) ann_87: and nq the 15 right? (06:31 PM) Daniel X: dyes (06:31 PM) Daniel X: yes (06:32 PM) ann_87: so on es you trade 2 off the 9 min and exit 1 always after a pt? (06:32 PM) Daniel X: using 9 on NQ can get u in early (06:32 PM) ann_87: and keep the 2 pt stop on the balance (06:33 PM) Daniel X: yes roughly ..as i watch volume and NQ for leaderchip (06:33 PM) Orprepus: thats all for me today - yall have a good evening or night depending where you are (06:33 PM) ann_87: do you ever just run the 2? (06:33 PM) Daniel X: if i see 2 points on es i'll move the stop to pay the broker at least (06:33 PM) Daniel X: G nite ORP thanx (06:33 PM) ann_87: on both? (06:34 PM) ann_87: bye orprepus hope i did not interrupt (06:34 PM) jody_15: Has anyone ever heard of the"Value Area" (06:34 PM) Daniel X: i have to cut 1 away to keep losses as low as possible (06:35 PM) ann_87: got ya (06:35 PM) ann_87: thanks daniel (06:35 PM) Daniel X: or when i trade 3 cut 1..4 cut 2 etc etc (06:35 PM) ann_87: that was funny i truly thought you could see bid at 22 5000 (06:35 PM) ann_87: lol (06:35 PM) Daniel X: lol (06:36 PM) ann_87: then when we shot up... i thought i need the data daniel has (06:36 PM) ann_87: lol (06:36 PM) Daniel X: lol (06:36 PM) ann_87: 23.50 was the 1 2 3 pivot (06:36 PM) Daniel X: some must haveit! (06:36 PM) ann_87: so it all worked well Paltalk: Credit report online. Always private, always secure, get yours FREE from ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! (06:37 PM) ann_87: sometime like borsillino site i guess or if you pay for level 2 (06:37 PM) ann_87: no clue (06:37 PM) ann_87: funny orprepus left but still has his hand up lol (06:37 PM) Daniel X: granted i would of made more $ holding 2 contracts all the way but.... (06:38 PM) ann_87: well you could have just added then on pull backs once profitalble (06:38 PM) Daniel X: but if it turned on me..ouch (06:38 PM) ann_87: when was the entry that turned on you? (06:39 PM) ann_87: i guess you were trading es today? (06:39 PM) Daniel X: es 1001.75 sell (06:39 PM) Daniel X: had 1 point max (06:40 PM) ann_87: sell what time? (06:40 PM) Daniel X: i cut 1 contract @ +.750 and the other - 1 market (06:40 PM) Daniel X: biggest loser on the day (06:40 PM) Daniel X: only loser (06:40 PM) ann_87: great! (06:41 PM) ann_87: i hear the rally was portfolio balancing (06:41 PM) ann_87: wish they'd balance more often (06:41 PM) Daniel X: yes funds move it that way (06:41 PM) Daniel X: eratic (06:42 PM) Daniel X: institutions grind it up (06:42 PM) Daniel X: i hat those grinds (06:42 PM) Daniel X: hate (06:42 PM) ann_87: up was not too grinding today (06:43 PM) ann_87: down in nq was grinding yesterday (06:43 PM) Daniel X: hate grinds period (06:43 PM) ann_87: so you did not like the afternoon? (06:43 PM) ann_87: i was trading nq and it was a train! (06:43 PM) Daniel X: yestreday we fell an average of 10 points an hour.....yuck (06:44 PM) ann_87: yea, yesterday was ugly (06:44 PM) Daniel X: kids waiting to me to join them for dinner (06:44 PM) ann_87: k daniel (06:44 PM) ann_87: thanks for the info (06:44 PM) Daniel X: have a great evening (06:44 PM) ann_87: you too (06:45 PM) Daniel X: wlcm (06:45 PM) Daniel X: bye everyone see u tommorrow! 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(09:15 AM) dave_b_quik: no, my kids only have 3 mothers (09:16 AM) dave_b_quik: i wonder who snuch that R in there, anyway (09:16 AM) dave_b_quik: snuck Paltalk: ========================================== Get your FREE credit report @ ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! ========================================== (09:16 AM) x21r: ah ha 3 wives X 3 kids = 12 !!! (09:16 AM) dave_b_quik: hmmm, must be some significance there somewhere (09:17 AM) x21r: lol (09:18 AM) ee_80: hello (09:18 AM) QSuzy: Hi everyone.....how can I insert a row in IB Trader Workstation? (09:18 AM) dave_b_quik: i think R was part of some formula for expectancy that turned out to be wrong, so R is just taking up space now (09:18 AM) x21r: okee thanks dave (09:18 AM) dave_b_quik: right click on the line below where you want the new line (09:18 AM) ee_80: hello x21r (09:18 AM) QSuzy: that works....tx (09:19 AM) x21r: hoi ee_80 is that your age 80 pff (09:20 AM) ee_80: yes i'm old.. (09:20 AM) dave_b_quik: so we have a 21 yo and an 80 yo in da house? (09:20 AM) x21r: makes 101 (09:24 AM) x21r: dave quwestion do you look at D7770 (09:24 AM) x21r: sorry rong screen wrong compter (09:25 AM) GGriz: Dave and Y'All: reminder that indexes close 10 Min early today Paltalk: Please support our sponsors by clicking on banners. Paltalk: ========================================== Britney,Dido,Outkast,+ MORE! 12 CDs Free + s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! ========================================== (09:26 AM) sunny_850: gm dave, what was the reason you didn't go long at 11:30 at 1121.5 (09:27 AM) dave_b_quik: what's the occasion, griz, hom kippur? (09:28 AM) dave_b_quik: ya, good question sunny, i made a couple mistakes yesterday (09:28 AM) GGriz: end of month (09:28 AM) GGriz: re-balancing happens every month now (09:29 AM) GGriz: click here for more information (09:29 AM) sunny_850: okay, thks, turned out you were right not too, would have stopped out (09:30 AM) dave_b_quik: somebody just pointed out that by the rules, retro should have exited the 3 longs 10 points higher, would have snagged an extra 30 points. (09:30 AM) elly_34: which exit rule dave? (09:31 AM) dave_b_quik: the spike high was a test of the morning HOD, so tight stops (09:31 AM) elly_34: oh like 10 pt trail stop ? (09:31 AM) dave_b_quik: also a test of Wed afternon spike (09:31 AM) dave_b_quik: 1 tic below 5m bar during test (09:33 AM) BrainStorm: Morning Paltalk: ========================================== Get 4 DVDs for 49˘ each plus s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ˘ EACH! ========================================== (09:38 AM) jimmer49: Chicago PMI at 10:00 (09:42 AM) elly_34: anything else today? (09:43 AM) jimmer49: Revised Michigan consumer sentiment for Sept coming in 2 min (09:43 AM) elly_34: ty (09:44 AM) BrainStorm: thanks jimmer (09:44 AM) BrainStorm: tick +1000 (09:44 AM) larrybf: dave- why do you trade the NQ instead of the ES? Paltalk: ========================================== Win $1000 and other prizes! Enter the Creative Cooking with Dried Plums Contest. Click Here ========================================== (09:47 AM) BrainStorm: report out the way yet ? (09:48 AM) jimmer49: no report on Briefing yer (09:48 AM) jimmer49: yet (09:48 AM) BrainStorm: hate being in a position when a report looming (09:49 AM) jimmer49: report can't possibly be good, just a question of how bad (09:49 AM) QSuzy: jimmer....what is PMI? (09:49 AM) wayne_53: There's another at 10:00am also (09:49 AM) jimmer49: purchasing managers index (09:49 AM) QSuzy: tx.. (09:49 AM) BrainStorm: if less bad might pop a little :-) (09:50 AM) jimmer49: trading floor usually gets the word before se do (09:50 AM) jimmer49: we (09:52 AM) BrainStorm: the 5 bar resting on 20 and 200ma's (09:52 AM) ppusa: HOD was on down trend line (09:53 AM) ppusa: hunch it will get taken out but that is initial situation] (09:54 AM) ppusa: report is out (09:54 AM) ppusa: take that back (09:54 AM) wayne_53: consumer sentiment down slightly (09:54 AM) BrainStorm: will be stops above the current HoD floor traders might try and gun them (09:54 AM) ppusa: sounded like it was out but wouldn't that be early (09:55 AM) BrainStorm: $TICK real high for a downtrend odd divergence (09:55 AM) jimmer49: PMI still to come ppusa Paltalk: Are banners a bummer and popups a pain? Cure your banner blues NOW for $9.95 a year! Click HELP on your Pal List then select Bannerless PalTalk to subscribe now! No banners! No Popups! Fast video in all groups! Paltalk: ========================================== Smart Computing Risk-FREE Trial! Get PC tips & tricks in a Plain English writing style for PC users of all skill levels, Order NOW just $29 for12 issues. Click Here ========================================== (09:58 AM) ppusa: 5 minute chart up bar was good signal (09:58 AM) ppusa: +2.5 (09:59 AM) BrainStorm: has retro been stopped out or flipped long ? (09:59 AM) dave_b_quik: stopped out on first trade (09:59 AM) ann_87: if the price above 20ema I don't think retro took the short (09:59 AM) ann_87: oh dave does he take it if above 20 ema? (10:00 AM) BrainStorm: ahh OK though 20 ema pretty unreliable at the open (10:00 AM) wayne_53: somebody knows something (10:00 AM) elly_34: wow (10:00 AM) BrainStorm: report out I take it ? (10:00 AM) ppusa: y (10:01 AM) ppusa: gdp+3/10 (10:01 AM) BrainStorm: thats why I dont like reports (10:01 AM) dave_b_quik: i dumped my qqq options at .60 this morning since we opened above yd (10:01 AM) ppusa: consumer sentiment was before (10:01 AM) ppusa: cpm out now (10:01 AM) jimmer49: PMI up - very good number (10:02 AM) jimmer49: relatively that is (10:02 AM) wayne_53: sure going to be rought taking a buy on retro with the top so far up (10:02 AM) ppusa: good move on the opts Dave (10:02 AM) ppusa: too bad I underestimated yester's move off lows (10:05 AM) BrainStorm: $TICK 1300+ I'd be wary even in a bull market Paltalk: ========================================== Save up to 80% on inkjet cartridges! Lowest Prices and Highest Quality products. FREE SHIPPING with minimum purchase. Customer satisfaction guaranteed. Click Here ========================================== (10:07 AM) larrybf: jimmer -do you alwys use bollinger bands as a primary indicator? (10:10 AM) ppusa: HOD or just a pull back (10:11 AM) BrainStorm: pull back untill 1162 (10:12 AM) ppusa: i think market is acting bullish in the sense that no major run up or HOD so far...Orderly rally then pb followed by new high (10:12 AM) ppusa: of course hindsight may change this (10:12 AM) ann_87: what is pb? (10:13 AM) ppusa: pullback (10:13 AM) dave_b_quik: peanut butter, pork bellies, pullback (10:13 AM) ann_87: thanks (10:13 AM) ann_87: lol (10:13 AM) ppusa: personal best (10:14 AM) ppusa: short 72.5 to 68 (10:14 AM) BrainStorm: setting up nicely not sure for a move which way yet though long stop is currently closer (10:14 AM) ppusa: y (10:15 AM) ppusa: 200 ma above here on hour chart. Take that out and hold above = nq has officially turned + Paltalk: ========================================== Looking for a needle in a haystack? Copernic 2001 Basic will find it! Search all the major search engines at once. COPERNIC 2001 BASIC, for FREE! Click Here ========================================== (10:18 AM) ab_18: looks toppy (10:18 AM) BrainStorm: blah faked (10:20 AM) BrainStorm: where is retro at the moment long short or out ? (10:21 AM) dave_b_quik: out off inside bar (10:21 AM) BrainStorm: thanks dave (10:22 AM) ppusa: ab looks toppy but if the low is in, will keep going up (10:22 AM) ppusa: problem is for shorts, doesn't look toppy enough to warrant short position (10:23 AM) ab_18: y (10:23 AM) ppusa: so enjoy the stairs (10:23 AM) ab_18: y (10:23 AM) jimbo_320: guten morgen (10:23 AM) ppusa: now this high is at another trend line and 200 ma hour chart (10:24 AM) ppusa: no sign of HOD (10:24 AM) ppusa: some PnF's getting toppy (10:25 AM) ppusa: 1-2-3 HOD anyone? (10:25 AM) jimbo_320: interesting spike bar at 9.50 what happened then? (10:25 AM) ppusa: put in low Paltalk: Multivideo has been activated in all Paltalk groups!!! With Paltalk 4.0 (available from our beta link on our homepage), you can see up to three people in every group. Paltalk Plus subscribers can see people in full motion video. (10:26 AM) BrainStorm: 2B top in for retro ? or does 2 b need a bar to close above previous high ? (10:26 AM) jimbo_320: i mean traded up to 1046 es (10:26 AM) BrainStorm: (sorry for all the reto questions trying to get a better understanding) Paltalk: ========================================== Credit report online. Always private, always secure, get yours FREE from ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! ========================================== (10:26 AM) ab_18: "1046" good number to short (10:27 AM) jimbo_320: y, the open after sept 11th gap down (10:27 AM) dave_b_quik: ya, brain if it breaks the low of thet last 5m bar (10:28 AM) ppusa: SnP loks like HOD (10:28 AM) Buffy_04364: it does not ned to close brainstorm (10:28 AM) Buffy_04364: morning all (10:29 AM) BrainStorm: Hi buffy (10:29 AM) Buffy_04364: been here a while but finally feel awake (10:29 AM) Buffy_04364: overslept again (10:29 AM) Buffy_04364: :-( (10:29 AM) BrainStorm: time for my afternoon nap soon :-) (10:29 AM) dave_b_quik: stay up too late, buffy? (10:29 AM) dave_b_quik: where are you, brains (10:30 AM) ppusa: think now HOD at least this morning (10:30 AM) jimbo_320: up at 7am, writing auto-retro... (10:30 AM) BrainStorm: in my study hehe....London actually (10:30 AM) MarkCA: jimbo, you using TradeStation for that? (10:31 AM) jimbo_320: no, writing my own app in C++ (10:32 AM) jimbo_320: three legs up on the dow (10:32 AM) ppusa: yes, all pulling back (10:33 AM) ppusa: could retest high (10:34 AM) ppusa: sold 69 bot 65.5 (10:34 AM) MarkCA: will is use real time data or historical data? (10:36 AM) BrainStorm: $TICK leaping around today (10:36 AM) ppusa: retest of high (10:36 AM) ppusa: i say down Paltalk: ========================================== Get 12 FREE CDs! Click for Details, CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! ========================================== (10:37 AM) ppusa: iffy here (10:38 AM) BrainStorm: Out untill the 3rd 15 min bar gets taken for me (10:39 AM) jimbo_320: trin 0.69 (10:40 AM) Buffy_04364: time line in pyra coming up (10:41 AM) ab_18: If window dressing doesn't take it up, crash jitters will take it down. (10:41 AM) ppusa: 50/50 here (10:42 AM) ab_18: y (10:42 AM) ppusa: cpvered another short scalp (10:42 AM) jimbo_320: dow on bottom of uptrendline (10:42 AM) BrainStorm: 33 33 33 (10:42 AM) ppusa: gut says take out low (10:42 AM) ab_18: es 1030 sup then 1015 area (10:42 AM) ppusa: should have run a stop on last short (10:43 AM) jimbo_320: we have 1200 ticks this morning (10:43 AM) jimbo_320: had (10:43 AM) BrainStorm: gotta test the lod now (10:43 AM) Buffy_04364: the difference between the smoothness of a 3m and a 75t has been posted (10:43 AM) BrainStorm: maybe (10:43 AM) jimbo_320: dow still holding utl (10:44 AM) ppusa: 9 scalps (10:45 AM) BrainStorm: again retro is performing better than I (10:45 AM) ppusa: last retro coincided with my short, should have run a stop (10:46 AM) ppusa: happens so fast no think (10:46 AM) elly_34: that was a very nice retro short Paltalk: ========================================== Get 4 DVDs for 49˘ each plush s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ˘ EACH! ========================================== (10:47 AM) BrainStorm: retro stop at 5 behind still ? (10:47 AM) ppusa: Elly i meant to ask you yesterday before the up move began did you notice anything indicating the move? (10:48 AM) ppusa: is there any option action that preceeds market moves (10:48 AM) BrainStorm: pretty classic bo of a fairly long congestion (10:48 AM) BrainStorm: ahh options pardon me (10:49 AM) dave_b_quik: ppusa, some say that option open interest bias is a contratian indicator, i.e. large open put interest is bullish (10:49 AM) ppusa: but isn't that longer term (10:49 AM) dave_b_quik: ya (10:49 AM) ppusa: you know me, gotta know now (10:50 AM) dave_b_quik: LOL, options are slow compared to futures (10:50 AM) texskeet: ndx had big spike at 9:00 they had bad # on Exodus . Had it at 100.00 when it is really halted because it just went bankrupt. (10:51 AM) elly_34: sorry ppusa didn't see your question (10:51 AM) BrainStorm: quite choppy action (10:52 AM) ab_18: is hod in? (10:52 AM) ppusa: i just checked sp, indu and nq, all happened together (10:52 AM) Buffy_04364: 9 scalps ppusa - when are your and orprepus going to hold a discussion on scalping and teach us all LOL (10:53 AM) Buffy_04364: there must be other scalpers in here too (10:53 AM) elly_34: but i just watch nq for indicator of qqq and option indicators are not really intraday type things unless there is unusual volume in a particular stock which could precede a move in the stock but put call ratio isn't an intraday indicator,,,,vix is not intraday though i suppose a spike way up or down and reversal can be if it is already at an extreme (10:53 AM) ppusa: Orp is not a scalper (10:53 AM) ppusa: He da man (10:53 AM) Buffy_04364: yes he is :-) (10:53 AM) ab_18: daa man (10:53 AM) Buffy_04364: guess that leave it up to you (10:53 AM) BrainStorm: I tend to be but am trying to break the habbit (10:53 AM) Buffy_04364: anyone else in here scalping too (10:54 AM) dave_b_quik: ya, orp is da versatile trader, reads mkt and trades accordingly (10:54 AM) BrainStorm: bet your broker loves you though ppusa (10:54 AM) ppusa: hates me (10:54 AM) ppusa: i swear at them (10:54 AM) ppusa: you wouldn't want to hear (10:55 AM) Buffy_04364: would anyone like ppusa to have a discussion on scalping some thursday? (10:55 AM) ppusa: system went down yester missed 10 tick move (10:55 AM) BrainStorm: 2b bottom on the 5 not taking it myself (10:55 AM) ppusa: scalping simple - either scalp or pick HOD and LOD and let ride Paltalk: Click banners to visit our sponsors. (10:55 AM) ppusa: use tick chart and extremes (10:56 AM) Buffy_04364: nice triangle on chart db (10:56 AM) ppusa: have patience (10:56 AM) elly_34: you use the r1, r2, s1, s2 formula? (10:56 AM) Buffy_04364: then it should be easy to have a discussion with a few posted charts for examples (10:56 AM) ppusa: shore (10:56 AM) dave_b_quik: like limit orders to sell resistance, ppusa? (10:56 AM) elly_34: lol buffy Paltalk: ========================================== Get your FREE credit report @ ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! ========================================== (10:57 AM) ppusa: not really Dave (10:57 AM) ppusa: for instance right here right now nq sell (10:57 AM) sunny_850: buffy what ma on 75 tic chart (10:57 AM) ppusa: but i wouldn't do it (10:57 AM) Buffy_04364: it is the uniform channel (10:57 AM) dave_b_quik: what TF? (10:58 AM) ppusa: this is resis but beneath ma (10:58 AM) ppusa: so no likey (10:58 AM) ppusa: me TF? 30 tivck (10:58 AM) ppusa: tick (10:58 AM) ppusa: see, little drop (10:59 AM) ppusa: no big deal (10:59 AM) ppusa: but too small a play (10:59 AM) Buffy_04364: I just posted the properties window for it (11:00 AM) dave_b_quik: thanks Welcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders and TrendVUE.com alumni. Today's charts at www.DaCharts.com WARNING: Any trades posted here are for educational purposes only. Don't take the trades unless you understand them and can take the risk. (11:01 AM) ppusa: nofor instance now short (11:01 AM) ppusa: because price came up to ma and had a 1-2-3 (11:02 AM) ppusa: but not trading here because no real guidance (11:02 AM) Daniel X: volume still declining (11:02 AM) sunny_850: tks buffy (11:02 AM) ppusa: i don't have a good feel for where market will go nest (11:02 AM) Buffy_04364: u welc (11:05 AM) ppusa: the difference between scalping and limit orders at resistance is imo, limit orders at resistance sounds like a bet that market will go down. Scalping wait until overbot or sold and then just go (11:05 AM) Buffy_04364: tks (11:05 AM) ppusa: right here is resis on nq but i don't know where market will go (11:05 AM) Buffy_04364: I will make sure not to oversleep the day you are going to do it LOL (11:05 AM) ppusa: so deer here (11:06 AM) ppusa: nq broke down from here so this is overhead resis (11:06 AM) Daniel X: its the open (11:07 AM) ppusa: but nq held low and Dow up over 100 Paltalk: ========================================== Britney,Dido,Outkast,+ MORE! 12 CDs Free + s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! ========================================== (11:07 AM) ppusa: see higher again (11:07 AM) ppusa: no scalp because not overbot enough and certanly not oversold (11:08 AM) ppusa: hope this allmakes sense (11:08 AM) Buffy_04364: what are u using to tell if overbought oversold? (11:09 AM) BrainStorm: you read my mind buffy (11:09 AM) ppusa: I like overextended PnF's along with "V"'s on tick chart (11:09 AM) ppusa: my favorite was this morning PnF (11:10 AM) Buffy_04364: waht size tick chart (11:10 AM) ppusa: twice PnF's overbot and V on tick chart (11:10 AM) skyprince_1: PnF = ? (11:10 AM) Daniel X: this 1174 pivot res 1 is a hugh problem (11:10 AM) Buffy_04364: point and figure (11:10 AM) skyprince_1: Ok (11:10 AM) ppusa: 10 and 15 point (11:10 AM) ppusa: will post (11:10 AM) Buffy_04364: links to info on it are on website under links (11:12 AM) ppusa: but also good to use a loose tick chart on a steep move to make sure for example, ya don't sell into an uptrending ma (11:12 AM) ppusa: loose tick chart is what i call one that isn't compressed (11:12 AM) ppusa: will post all (11:12 AM) ppusa: hang on (11:12 AM) dave_b_quik: great (11:13 AM) BrainStorm: yes excellent (11:13 AM) Buffy_04364: tks daniel (11:13 AM) Daniel X: for? (11:14 AM) ppusa: turn you good traders into scalpers, great, NOT (11:14 AM) Buffy_04364: whoops sorry daniel meant ppusa (11:14 AM) Buffy_04364: guess I need another coffee (11:14 AM) Daniel X: lol (11:15 AM) ppusa: what is post control J or I? (11:15 AM) BrainStorm: be intresting reviewing retros trades for today (11:15 AM) Buffy_04364: J for ensign (11:15 AM) Buffy_04364: I believe (11:16 AM) Buffy_04364: did you change the image window ppusa? (11:16 AM) Buffy_04364: under set up (11:17 AM) Buffy_04364: I can post the window if you want Paltalk: ========================================== Get 4 DVDs for 49˘ each plus s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ˘ EACH! ========================================== (11:17 AM) Buffy_04364: maybe Dave can stick around and do that for a bit brainstorm (11:18 AM) BrainStorm: they are normaly posted to the web site aren't they? I need a cart for my printer so I can review them this w/e (11:18 AM) dave_b_quik: ya, J in ensign posts the active chart to the web (11:21 AM) ppusa: okay they are up (11:21 AM) BrainStorm: grr missed a long entry b/o of the previous bar on the 5 min (11:21 AM) Buffy_04364: loose is blank ppusa (11:22 AM) ppusa: yes checking 10 and 15 are bad too (11:22 AM) ppusa: hang on (11:23 AM) Buffy_04364: dave can delete those (11:23 AM) Buffy_04364: now I see what you mean by loose and compressed though (11:23 AM) ppusa: will overwrite Paltalk: Love PalTalk but hate the banners and popups? Go bannerless! Only $9.95 per year! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. Paltalk: ========================================== Win $1000 and other prizes! Enter the Creative Cooking with Dried Plums Contest. Click Here ========================================== (11:29 AM) Buffy_04364: tks ppusa (11:29 AM) Buffy_04364: loose is ok now (11:29 AM) Buffy_04364: what is the stoch setting (11:34 AM) ppusa: not posting (11:34 AM) jimbo_320: come bust out (11:34 AM) jimbo_320: come on (11:34 AM) jimbo_320: should test 46 (11:35 AM) ab_18: y (11:35 AM) jimbo_320: look at the 3min nyse tick it is coiling up a lot (11:36 AM) ab_18: If es 1041 holds, not good. Paltalk: ========================================== Smart Computing Risk-FREE Trial! Get PC tips & tricks in a Plain English writing style for PC users of all skill levels, Order NOW just $29 for12 issues. Click Here ========================================== (11:37 AM) jimbo_320: bust out so i can get my +8.... (11:38 AM) dave_b_quik: go, jimbo! (11:38 AM) jimbo_320: is retro long dave (11:38 AM) dave_b_quik: ya (11:39 AM) jimbo_320: from where? (11:40 AM) jimbo_320: 67? (11:41 AM) david h_2: dave is there a limit as to how many k retro buys on retracements when long? (11:42 AM) ppusa: gave up trying to post PnF, will talk about charts when things settle down (11:42 AM) dave_b_quik: so far only adding twice for a total of 3, david (11:42 AM) jimbo_320: trin 0.66 (11:43 AM) ab_18: If es 1041 holds, not good. (11:43 AM) david h_2: that follows the up leg rule- is that what you were thinking (11:45 AM) elly_34: dave if you have a min can u show me where the prev short over an hour ago was stopped? Paltalk: ========================================== Save up to 80% on inkjet cartridges! Lowest Prices and Highest Quality products. FREE SHIPPING with minimum purchase. Customer satisfaction guaranteed. Click Here ========================================== (11:47 AM) dave_b_quik: elly, that 1165.5 short was stopped out -5 (11:48 AM) elly_34: k thanks (11:48 AM) elly_34: so at one point it was almost +10 looks like (11:49 AM) ppusa: nq may go for LOD again (11:49 AM) jimbo_320: that 41 held (11:49 AM) ppusa: only up 22 (11:50 AM) ppusa: 27 (11:51 AM) texskeet: We are an up trend right ? (11:51 AM) ppusa: how about some follow through? (11:51 AM) ppusa: imo y (11:51 AM) ppusa: depending on time frame (11:52 AM) texskeet: today Paltalk: Please support our sponsors by clicking on banners. Paltalk: ========================================== Looking for a needle in a haystack? Copernic 2001 Basic will find it! Search all the major search engines at once. COPERNIC 2001 BASIC, for FREE! Click Here ========================================== (11:59 AM) fox21: anybody there? (11:59 AM) dave_b_quik: ? (11:59 AM) fox21: why is so silent? (11:59 AM) dave_b_quik: everybody concentrating on trading i guess (11:59 AM) Buffy_04364: I am waiting for ppusa to share his stoch and macd settings LOL (11:59 AM) fox21: nobody makes any money? (12:00 PM) dave_b_quik: oh, yes (12:00 PM) Buffy_04364: what gives you that impression fox (12:00 PM) fox21: silence (12:00 PM) dave_b_quik: money doesn't make a lot of noise (12:01 PM) BrainStorm: Got a phone call the second after I missed my entry at 11.20 (12:01 PM) ppusa: unleaded gas is up 10 cents from low of the other day. $420/cent = $4200 on $3000 margin (12:01 PM) fox21: But I'll tell you something; if you made some come to Gold Coast, Australia for holiday!!! (12:01 PM) ppusa: sorry Buffy default, i will look (12:02 PM) Buffy_04364: tks ppusa (12:02 PM) ppusa: stoch 9/3/3 close (12:02 PM) Buffy_04364: no flying here fox (12:02 PM) Buffy_04364: tks ppusa (12:03 PM) ppusa: 5/35/9 macd (12:03 PM) dave_b_quik: ya, fox, what did you finally do with all those Afgahani refugees? (12:03 PM) ppusa: gahani? (12:03 PM) fox21: what? all lines're in the air, even Ansett! (12:04 PM) dave_b_quik: Afghani (12:04 PM) fox21: well, some of them in NZ, some still on the ship. That's tragedy for the human behaviour! (12:06 PM) dave_b_quik: you have a slight accent, fox? (12:06 PM) fox21: yea, Irish (12:06 PM) dave_b_quik: oh, just curious (12:07 PM) dave_b_quik: are you a trader? (12:07 PM) fox21: well, and just an American too... Paltalk: ========================================== Credit report online. Always private, always secure, get yours FREE from ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! ========================================== (12:07 PM) fox21: what do you trade at all? (12:07 PM) Buffy_04364: ppusa is the macd simple or exp (12:08 PM) ppusa: simple (12:08 PM) dave_b_quik: we trade stock index futures (12:08 PM) ppusa: hardly ever look at it (12:08 PM) ppusa: nq taking another run (12:09 PM) fox21: tell me Buffy, would beach sund be good for trade? we have here 42 km of it (12:09 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL (12:10 PM) fox21: good isn't it? (12:10 PM) ppusa: i watched Buffy chop up a preying mantus last night on TV (12:10 PM) fox21: and plenty of water in the Pacific O. (12:10 PM) ppusa: ruthless (12:11 PM) Buffy_04364: lol (12:11 PM) ppusa: she was a babe too (12:11 PM) dave_b_quik: what were you watching, ppusa? Discovery channel? (12:11 PM) ppusa: Vampire Slayer of course (12:12 PM) texskeet: LOL (12:12 PM) dave_b_quik: aahh, i don't watch enuf TV i guess (12:12 PM) ppusa: the real deal - no discovery (12:12 PM) ppusa: the kid (12:12 PM) ppusa: u have kid in house, u watch (12:12 PM) dave_b_quik: caught my 9 yo downstairs watching TVat 4:30 AM this morning tho (12:13 PM) ppusa: hate to ask what (12:13 PM) Buffy_04364: I remember doing that dave (12:13 PM) dave_b_quik: he's only allowed 1 hour a day (12:13 PM) Buffy_04364: their turn to catch their kids (12:13 PM) texskeet: dave is tuff (12:13 PM) Buffy_04364: as a kid I was restricted to two unless disney special or somethng (12:14 PM) ppusa: sometimes no big deal - pretend didn't see (12:14 PM) ppusa: here goes nq??? (12:14 PM) Buffy_04364: hard now to limit with all the educational stuff on discovery (12:15 PM) texskeet: youll to young we had no tv untill i was 10 (12:15 PM) dbphoenix: Buffy is extremely underrated. Anybody see "Hush"? (12:15 PM) dave_b_quik: me too, skeet (12:15 PM) ppusa: had no tv here (12:15 PM) ab_18: Bulls looking better (12:15 PM) Buffy_04364: I must of been just about that age db (12:16 PM) texskeet: then stations only on few hours a day (12:16 PM) dbphoenix: :0) (12:17 PM) dbphoenix: I'm going to be doing a lot of reading this season. Paltalk: ========================================== Get 12 FREE CDs! Click for Details, CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! ========================================== (12:17 PM) texskeet: what season is that (12:18 PM) dbphoenix: TV season. (12:18 PM) ppusa: nq needs big surge on next high to catch Dow (12:18 PM) dbphoenix: I've never watched so little network TV. Pitiful. (12:19 PM) BrainStorm: disruptive day (12:19 PM) BrainStorm: should have put voicemail on (12:20 PM) dbphoenix: We're back into that same old congestion zone from 1180 to 1200. And the Dow has 9000 to deal with. (12:20 PM) dave_b_quik: ya, if it's an emergency they'll probably call yr cellphone, brains (12:20 PM) Buffy_04364: orprepus, the ticki is showing lots of accumulation isn't it? (12:21 PM) BrainStorm: no emergency gota a lot of stuff to sort out here (12:22 PM) dave_b_quik: those phone calls can really hurt the bottom line (12:22 PM) BrainStorm: had a 1 min bar with only 11 contracts on the Nas (12:22 PM) BrainStorm: we could have got together and driven the market one way or tother (12:23 PM) ppusa: maybe secret chart says mid day pb (12:23 PM) BrainStorm: think I might call it a day the equities close early today righty ? (12:24 PM) dbphoenix: You and me both. (12:24 PM) elly_34: cannot imagine breaking thru here on this low vol (12:24 PM) dbphoenix: My cable was out for nearly an hour, and I don't see anything tempting here. (12:24 PM) dbphoenix: Monday should be interesting if we can push up a bit nearer to all these resistance levels. Paltalk: Press the INVITE button NOW! Get your friends in on the fun! Invite them to join us on PalTalk today! Paltalk: ========================================== Get 4 DVDs for 49˘ each plush s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ˘ EACH! ========================================== (12:29 PM) ppusa: nq should go higher....fake everyone out first then run further than expected (12:30 PM) ppusa: secret chart says maybe retrace a bit more of today's range first??? (12:31 PM) ab_18: Maybe slowly turning down. (12:32 PM) Buffy_04364: ib 3m (12:32 PM) ppusa: that's what we are suppose to think (12:32 PM) ab_18: but isn't there acc also (12:33 PM) ppusa: tried a long here and got stopped. (12:33 PM) ppusa: #^$&*%$* (12:34 PM) ppusa: 3rd loss this week (12:34 PM) dbphoenix: We're at an inflection point here, but you like to scalp, so it probably doesn't make any difference. (12:34 PM) ab_18: The bad trades wake you up for the discplined trades talked about in last nights session. (12:34 PM) ppusa: went for a long not a scalp (12:35 PM) ppusa: would have turned into a scalp though (12:35 PM) dbphoenix: I forgot about that session. Too bad. (12:35 PM) ppusa: i'll wait for afternoon consolidation and a retro buy??? (12:36 PM) Daniel X: thats what im doing (12:36 PM) Daniel X: we might have 1 more good move and it's too early for it (12:36 PM) ab_18: Hope the train is fueling. (12:37 PM) Daniel X: me too ;-) (12:37 PM) dbphoenix: Not likely on a Friday afternoon. (12:37 PM) ppusa: sounds good Paltalk: ========================================== Get your FREE credit report @ ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! ========================================== (12:38 PM) ab_18: Right, it's Friday also end of month and index closing 4:05? (12:38 PM) Daniel X: what is not likely? (12:38 PM) Daniel X: DB (12:38 PM) dbphoenix: Why would anybody want to hold long positions into the weekend? (12:38 PM) dbphoenix: Or short, for that matter? (12:39 PM) ppusa: because they think the bottom is in? (12:39 PM) Daniel X: it has to go 1 way or the other no? (12:39 PM) ppusa: because they think next week lower? (12:39 PM) Daniel X: fed cuts tues (12:39 PM) dbphoenix: That's already priced in. (12:39 PM) Daniel X: ok so watch what happens (12:40 PM) dbphoenix: Yeah. (12:40 PM) ab_18: That's it...this is a "fed cuts tues rally" in stks and bds. (12:41 PM) ppusa: nq may still sell off and take out low (12:41 PM) ppusa: will see (12:41 PM) dbphoenix: It's going to take a lot of conviction, though. ES is only 10 points away from the gap, 1180 is multiple TL resistance on the NQ, Nasdaq is only 25 points away from resistance, etc. (12:42 PM) Daniel X: how many shorts are leftin th market u think? (12:43 PM) dbphoenix: Me? (12:44 PM) elly_34: cannot get into dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart (12:44 PM) Daniel X: sure y not (12:44 PM) Daniel X: % wise (12:44 PM) ppusa: snp close to gap could be looked at either way (12:44 PM) dbphoenix: No idea. But the bulls are going to have to show some real strength going into these gaps, or else the sellers will be right back in there. (12:45 PM) Daniel X: u think longs are holding? (12:45 PM) dbphoenix: If the bulls can push hard enough, you might see some real short-covering on the upside of the bottoms of those gaps. (12:46 PM) ppusa: 15 point PnF looks like possible nq trouble... Break 72.5, maybe not good thing (12:46 PM) dbphoenix: It may be tough for the funds to hold unless these redemptions stop. One reason why I think the capital gains tax elimination is unlikely to get anywhere. (12:47 PM) ppusa: too tired to trade, need nap (12:47 PM) Daniel X: more shorts in this market than longs..wondering if they'll cover pre tuesday cuts..this am was not a short cover imo Paltalk: ========================================== Britney,Dido,Outkast,+ MORE! 12 CDs Free + s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! ========================================== (12:48 PM) dbphoenix: It's hard to say unless you're on the floor. The data available on the net is too old. (12:48 PM) Daniel X: PPUSA give me your IP address i'll hack in and place the orders for u. (12:49 PM) dbphoenix: Nap sounds good. (12:50 PM) ppusa: shorted at 75 (12:50 PM) ppusa: covered 73.5 (12:50 PM) ppusa: no follow through, no patience (12:50 PM) BrainStorm: dave you lurking? (12:52 PM) ppusa: here's the follow through (12:52 PM) ppusa: nap (12:52 PM) Orprepus: pp you short (12:53 PM) ppusa: no can't think too tired (12:53 PM) Orprepus: ok (12:53 PM) ppusa: was but gave up (12:53 PM) Buffy_04364: i am orp (12:53 PM) ppusa: target was 70 (12:53 PM) Orprepus: great me too (12:54 PM) ppusa: one could make a strong case for a sell off (12:54 PM) Orprepus: not today - Monday (12:54 PM) ppusa: today's high was right under 200 ma on hour chart (12:54 PM) Orprepus: would be happy if chop out and tick stayed positive whole day (12:55 PM) ppusa: sell off would start today (12:55 PM) ppusa: as in right now (12:55 PM) Orprepus: might be right this afternoon will tell (12:55 PM) elly_34: anyone else having trouble with dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart? Paltalk: You DO have a choice! Buy bannerless to end your popup blues today! Click OPTIONS on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. Only $9.95 a year! That's less than THREE CENTS per day! WOW!!! (12:56 PM) dbphoenix: Minor TL support here. (12:56 PM) Buffy_04364: in what way elly (12:56 PM) elly_34: can't get in, goes around and around (12:56 PM) Daniel X: Dow 880 key (12:56 PM) Daniel X: 8800 (12:56 PM) BrainStorm: a bit sluggis but ....no speak to soon not opening da charts (12:56 PM) Buffy_04364: BOS inpyra too (12:57 PM) elly_34: or once in fnally then couldn't get into todays date (12:57 PM) Buffy_04364: it is sluggish (12:57 PM) elly_34: k (12:57 PM) Buffy_04364: augusta library computers got hit with that nimda virus (12:57 PM) Buffy_04364: silly people Paltalk: ========================================== Get 4 DVDs for 49˘ each plus s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ˘ EACH! ========================================== (12:57 PM) Buffy_04364: they had enough warning (12:58 PM) ppusa: Down monday would explain no follow through today nq (12:59 PM) ppusa: i am still wishful more upside (12:59 PM) Orprepus: every crash has been in oct on a monday (01:00 PM) dbphoenix: What a ray of sunshine you are :0) (01:01 PM) Orprepus: the faster we bottom the faster we move back up (01:01 PM) ppusa: don't make me threaten you with my 200 point PnF chart!!!! (01:01 PM) Orprepus: pp I have been hearing about that chart since 1600 (01:01 PM) ppusa: 1800 (01:02 PM) Orprepus: right (01:02 PM) ppusa: keep your numbers straight (01:02 PM) Orprepus: should send it to abbey chonehead (01:02 PM) ppusa: abbey joseph blowin' (01:03 PM) Orprepus: LOL smoke up you know what (01:03 PM) ppusa: ruff (01:03 PM) Orprepus: sorry everyone (01:03 PM) Daniel X: Dow holding swing 8800 (01:04 PM) ppusa: as GT said, don't confuse brains with a bull market!!!!! (01:04 PM) wayne_53: U.S. forces on the ground in Afghanistan (01:04 PM) wayne_53: Special Forces (01:05 PM) dbphoenix: Speaking of brains and bull markets, did you read that TMF is laying off another 50% of its workers? Now down to 70 people. (01:06 PM) ppusa: what is TMF? (01:06 PM) dbphoenix: The Motley Fool (01:07 PM) dave_b_quik: was listening to NPR at lunch announcing the inevitability of global recession (01:07 PM) jimmer49: Good gosh - down to 70. How many did they have and what the heck did they do? Paltalk: ========================================== Win $1000 and other prizes! Enter the Creative Cooking with Dried Plums Contest. Click Here ========================================== (01:08 PM) ppusa: support here (01:08 PM) ppusa: break this and Orp wins (01:09 PM) Buffy_04364: are you still holding orp I took my few points and ran (01:09 PM) dbphoenix: Gee, a 10 point trading range. (01:10 PM) ppusa: i am ticked i didn't notice setup earlier (01:10 PM) Buffy_04364: time line coming up in pyra next bar (01:10 PM) ppusa: nq failure was signal (01:10 PM) Buffy_04364: to go long (01:11 PM) Buffy_04364: ? (01:11 PM) ppusa: short from 1180 area (01:11 PM) Buffy_04364: is that what you mean (01:11 PM) Buffy_04364: oh ok (01:11 PM) ppusa: hour chart was confirmation (01:12 PM) ppusa: k r a p (01:12 PM) ppusa: need nap (01:12 PM) ppusa: bye for now (01:12 PM) Buffy_04364: k (01:12 PM) Buffy_04364: tks (01:13 PM) Daniel X: DOW holding 8800 (01:15 PM) Buffy_04364: looks like a bear flag on 3m to me (01:15 PM) Buffy_04364: IMO (01:15 PM) Daniel X: ;-) Paltalk: ========================================== Smart Computing Risk-FREE Trial! Get PC tips & tricks in a Plain English writing style for PC users of all skill levels, Order NOW just $29 for12 issues. Click Here ========================================== (01:20 PM) Buffy_04364: never know if those flags worth playing or not :-( (01:21 PM) Buffy_04364: of course may not be a flag ......... (01:22 PM) dave_b_quik: ya, could wind up being a triangle or something (01:22 PM) Buffy_04364: yep just never know need a crystal ball (01:22 PM) Buffy_04364: got one (01:22 PM) Buffy_04364: ? (01:22 PM) BrainStorm: I got sound woot day to late for the chat but better late than never (01:23 PM) Buffy_04364: great brainstorm (01:23 PM) Buffy_04364: guess my son was in here last night checking his mic (01:23 PM) BrainStorm: taking a rest from the markets at the moment (01:23 PM) Buffy_04364: forgot I was playing bridge - silly boy (01:23 PM) BrainStorm: volume too thin (01:23 PM) Buffy_04364: retro has a buy signal now too (01:24 PM) BrainStorm: guess I should take a look at that then (01:25 PM) Buffy_04364: couldn't go through TOS on pyra though (01:25 PM) Buffy_04364: not yet anyway Paltalk: To visit our sponsors, click on banners! (01:26 PM) Buffy_04364: went through it with a bang (01:26 PM) BrainStorm: hmm got a whole in my data what was the tip to get ensign to refresh uncheck and check tick server? (01:27 PM) BrainStorm: or did we just gap ? (01:27 PM) dave_b_quik: ya, for a tic chart (01:27 PM) Buffy_04364: that is what howard had elly do yesterday (01:27 PM) BrainStorm: no I got a hole on all my regular charts (01:27 PM) Buffy_04364: uncheck it and recheck it (01:27 PM) dave_b_quik: i have a gap here from 1175 to 75.50 on the 30 tic (01:27 PM) Buffy_04364: how far back ? (01:27 PM) BrainStorm: 4 mins Paltalk: ========================================== Save up to 80% on inkjet cartridges! Lowest Prices and Highest Quality products. FREE SHIPPING with minimum purchase. Customer satisfaction guaranteed. Click Here ========================================== (01:28 PM) Buffy_04364: no gap here dave (01:28 PM) BrainStorm: could be a gap up I guess (01:28 PM) wayne_53: poke bar on 3m ES (01:29 PM) dave_b_quik: tic charts are never the same anyway (01:29 PM) Buffy_04364: true (01:29 PM) BrainStorm: on nas at 13.25 I got a gap up on 6 volume (01:29 PM) BrainStorm: on a 1 min bar (01:29 PM) BrainStorm: anyone know how I can refresh ordinary data (as oposed to tick) (01:30 PM) Buffy_04364: when I got back from bridge on weds I noticed that everyone said it had been down but saw no prob with my charts (01:31 PM) Buffy_04364: opening and closing workspace is suppose to do it but don't know personally (01:32 PM) ppusa: back (01:32 PM) BrainStorm: that did the trick thanks buffy (01:32 PM) ppusa: rprepus, you here (01:33 PM) Orprepus: still here (01:33 PM) ppusa: You maybe eat shorts today (01:34 PM) Orprepus: why (01:34 PM) ppusa: one thing in support of further up is Dow and S&P had hard time breaking to put in yester low (01:34 PM) ppusa: critical area on charts (01:35 PM) Orprepus: yes (01:35 PM) ppusa: don't let your overwhelming pessimism interfere with rational decision hahaha (01:35 PM) texskeet: 41 on es ?? (01:36 PM) texskeet: there it is (01:36 PM) wayne_53: we're still below the high of the poke bar on the ES 3m (01:36 PM) Buffy_04364: glad it worked brainstorm (01:37 PM) Buffy_04364: Howard is on now (01:37 PM) BrainStorm: odd 5 min seems wierd 1 min OK (01:38 PM) Buffy_04364: want me to post so you can compare? (01:38 PM) Buffy_04364: if different then you can go see howard? (01:38 PM) BrainStorm: thanks a 5 min nas would be great (01:38 PM) BrainStorm: sorry on phone 2 Paltalk: ========================================== Looking for a needle in a haystack? Copernic 2001 Basic will find it! Search all the major search engines at once. COPERNIC 2001 BASIC, for FREE! Click Here ========================================== (01:39 PM) Buffy_04364: use the one label 5m4 bars are farther apart (01:40 PM) BrainStorm: thnks (01:43 PM) ppusa: Orp all daily charts are trading above ma's now...Could still turn down but for now look good (01:46 PM) ppusa: retest of last pullback (01:47 PM) elly_34: uncheck it , recheck it and then click on chart where data is missing and then recheck the correct tf to reload it (01:47 PM) elly_34: last step fills in the hole (01:47 PM) ppusa: could be secret chart last 3 hour low (01:48 PM) Buffy_04364: thank you elly (01:48 PM) ppusa: or bears win (01:48 PM) Buffy_04364: I didn't write it down (01:48 PM) elly_34: :) (01:48 PM) elly_34: remember end of quarter window dressing Paltalk: ========================================== Credit report online. Always private, always secure, get yours FREE from ConsumerInfo.Com! 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Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. (01:57 PM) ppusa: i hate trading this way, never know whether market will go or bust (01:58 PM) ppusa: everytime buy, pullback (01:58 PM) ab_18: y Paltalk: ========================================== Get 12 FREE CDs! Click for Details, CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! ========================================== (01:59 PM) ab_18: or everytime pullback then buy (02:00 PM) ppusa: then pb farther (02:01 PM) elly_34: is anyone programming retro yet so can be backtested? (02:02 PM) Buffy_04364: are you signed up for the retro email elly? (02:02 PM) Buffy_04364: many are working on it (02:02 PM) Buffy_04364: being discussed there (02:03 PM) x21r: iam also intrested (02:04 PM) Buffy_04364: the sign up on retro page at the website (02:04 PM) Buffy_04364: www.dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart.com (02:04 PM) ppusa: anyone have any thoughts on how to play this current action? (02:04 PM) x21r: will do that (02:04 PM) Orprepus: go out side and watch the grass grow (02:04 PM) Orprepus: it will be faster (02:04 PM) dave_b_quik: ya (02:04 PM) Daniel X: yah go long in 1 account and short in the other till breakout (02:04 PM) Buffy_04364: it is chop at its best (02:05 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL (02:05 PM) ppusa: what if nq makes new high? (02:06 PM) dave_b_quik: call me when NQ gets over 86 or under 56 (02:06 PM) Daniel X: lol (02:06 PM) ppusa: what's your number? (02:06 PM) dave_b_quik: just yell in the mic (02:06 PM) dave_b_quik: that'll wake me up (02:06 PM) Orprepus: lol (02:06 PM) BrainStorm: just scanning back.... on the subject of programming retro is anyone co-ordinating...be happy to offer my services (02:06 PM) ppusa: i will (02:07 PM) ppusa: turn up the volume because i want to have some impact (02:07 PM) BrainStorm: forming a loose pennant flaggy triangular thing (02:08 PM) Daniel X: // (02:08 PM) Daniel X: \\ (02:08 PM) Daniel X: // (02:08 PM) Daniel X: \\ (02:08 PM) Daniel X: // (02:08 PM) Daniel X: \\ (02:08 PM) ab_18: paint a word picture about grass growing (02:08 PM) elly_34: sorry missed your reply buffy (02:08 PM) elly_34: no i didn't know about theemail (02:08 PM) elly_34: i'll look if i can get in Paltalk: ========================================== Get 4 DVDs for 49˘ each plush s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ˘ EACH! ========================================== (02:09 PM) Buffy_04364: retrotrader@yahoogroups.com (02:09 PM) Buffy_04364: that is the email (02:09 PM) Orprepus: as the morning sun light breaks over the majestic redwoods - you see the sparkles of the morning dew on the meadow - ahhh (02:09 PM) Orprepus: hows that (02:10 PM) Buffy_04364: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/retrotrader (02:10 PM) elly_34: is that the same as going to the yahoo groups and looking at all the posts or is that different buffy? (02:10 PM) Buffy_04364: that is where you sign up (02:10 PM) elly_34: i joined the yahoo group (02:10 PM) Buffy_04364: same thing elly (02:10 PM) elly_34: oh ok then thanks (02:10 PM) elly_34: i am hoping someone will backtest es with it (02:10 PM) Buffy_04364: I have the emails come to me (02:10 PM) Buffy_04364: instead of going there to read them (02:11 PM) elly_34: isee (02:11 PM) elly_34: well think it must be nap time (02:12 PM) ppusa: i think nq will get big up (02:12 PM) Daniel X: ok so buy 1 for me then (02:12 PM) BrainStorm: big it up for the NQ's (02:12 PM) Daniel X: i'll pay yah back (02:12 PM) ppusa: but i get the impression i am the only one thinking this (02:13 PM) BrainStorm: I'll swap an ES for an NQ (02:13 PM) Daniel X: train a comin (02:13 PM) Daniel X: mon (02:13 PM) Daniel X: wait fe da ting (02:14 PM) Daniel X: it coming jus round de corna (02:14 PM) BrainStorm: train sideways ? (02:14 PM) BrainStorm: thats my bet anyway (02:14 PM) Daniel X: north bound (02:15 PM) BrainStorm: Retro flat at the moment I guess Dan? (02:15 PM) Daniel X: dunno wasn't following ..sorry (02:15 PM) BrainStorm: such a narrow bar on the 15 it gotta break soon (02:16 PM) Daniel X: volitility direction searching trading coming (02:16 PM) Buffy_04364: teting poke bar on 3m triangle (02:16 PM) Daniel X: and down it is (02:16 PM) Daniel X: hhhmmmm (02:16 PM) Daniel X: stop cleaning time (02:18 PM) Orprepus: reverse train?? (02:18 PM) ppusa: 2 losses today ruin my stats (02:18 PM) BrainStorm: just backing in out the siding (02:18 PM) ppusa: dow and S&P getting hit hard Paltalk: ========================================== Get your FREE credit report @ ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! ========================================== (02:19 PM) BrainStorm: I understand the need for retro to stop on a reversal bar but wait for a 15min bo to take a new position now (02:19 PM) jimbo_320: bk (02:20 PM) jimbo_320: looks like an exciting friday (02:20 PM) Daniel X: trap set (02:22 PM) jimbo_320: u trading es? (02:24 PM) jimbo_320: very choppy today (02:24 PM) Buffy_04364: yes it is jimbo (02:25 PM) BrainStorm: tis chopped me around (02:25 PM) jimbo_320: anyone trading? (02:25 PM) jimbo_320: down -2 on the day (02:26 PM) BrainStorm: sorta looking (02:26 PM) jimbo_320: from am (02:26 PM) BrainStorm: yeah Im out too jimbo Paltalk: Please visit our advertisers by clicking on banners. (02:26 PM) BrainStorm: 2.5 I think been sloppy getting out (02:27 PM) jimbo_320: retro how doing? (02:28 PM) Buffy_04364: I don't know for sure at this point jimbo (02:28 PM) elly_34: haven't been following since first hour but can't be good (02:29 PM) BrainStorm: does this count as a 2b bottom ? (02:29 PM) Buffy_04364: what tf brainstorm Paltalk: ========================================== Britney,Dido,Outkast,+ MORE! 12 CDs Free + s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! ========================================== (02:29 PM) elly_34: retro is probably standing aside i would think but dunno (02:29 PM) BrainStorm: hard to tell back into a range (02:30 PM) elly_34: last trade i saw was paying att to was a short that had almost 10 pts and then went for a -5 stop (02:30 PM) Buffy_04364: this one is hard to tell (02:30 PM) elly_34: some other stop rule should apply if there is 10 and u end up with -5 (02:30 PM) jimbo_320: looking at 15min i'd say hes stopped out on the first two trades (02:30 PM) Buffy_04364: has anyone been watching to see if locking in 505 of profits hurts retro by stopping him out too soon? (02:30 PM) Buffy_04364: 50% (02:31 PM) elly_34: i think you have to define 50% of what though buffy, because 50% of 5 could be just a wiggle onto a huge run (02:31 PM) elly_34: like may 50% if it has gone so far or something (02:31 PM) elly_34: ? (02:31 PM) elly_34: dunno just tossing out idea (02:32 PM) Buffy_04364: like if up 6 lock in 3 (02:32 PM) Buffy_04364: if up 10 loock in 5 (02:32 PM) Buffy_04364: if up 15 lock in 7.5 (02:32 PM) elly_34: be so nice to backtest (02:32 PM) Buffy_04364: sure will (02:32 PM) Daniel X: tried that at the beginnig..no good (02:33 PM) BrainStorm: personaly prefer a multiple of true range rather than a % (02:33 PM) jimbo_320: posted nq 15min chart, poss upwedge (02:33 PM) Buffy_04364: that is an idea (02:33 PM) dave_b_quik: if up 60 lock in 30? maybe 50% is too much on the small gains, not enough on the big ones... (02:33 PM) Daniel X: stopped too often (02:33 PM) BrainStorm: 1.5 to 2 works well depending on how loose you want the stop (02:33 PM) elly_34: yes dave (02:33 PM) Buffy_04364: have you been using it brainstorm? (02:34 PM) BrainStorm: I have in the past it can be very effective but needs a bit of curve fitting (02:34 PM) BrainStorm: depending on market conditions...not in the 'spirit' of retro I think (02:35 PM) elly_34: nice thing about retro is it does catch the big moves,,,awesome moves (02:35 PM) dave_b_quik: chuck lebeau's last newsletter suggested an "ATR ratchet" trailing stop that starts out wide and gets tighter (02:35 PM) BrainStorm: yes I'm gonna trade it next week (02:35 PM) ppusa: Dave's about to get the call (02:36 PM) dave_b_quik: thanks ppusa (02:36 PM) ppusa: and it won't be pleasant as i am now in bad mood (02:36 PM) BrainStorm: yes Katz and McCormik tested many systems in Encyclopedia of trading systems (02:36 PM) BrainStorm: all where improved by a tightning atr stop (02:36 PM) BrainStorm: tested across many markets too (02:37 PM) BrainStorm: cant rember the criteria for 'ratcheting up'..hang on I'll look (02:39 PM) XL_Limpan: HI folks Paltalk: ========================================== Get 4 DVDs for 49˘ each plus s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ˘ EACH! ========================================== (02:39 PM) dave_b_quik: couldn't hear that (02:40 PM) BrainStorm: hmm needs a carefull read (02:40 PM) dave_b_quik: ya, it's just a framework, not a total solution (02:40 PM) jimbo_320: We have a small favor to ask of you. Our friends from overseas who are camping their way around usa are looking for beds to stay, can anyone offer them accomodatio, i have posted a photo of them latest jimbo.gif. Please help (02:41 PM) BrainStorm: a stp thats based on volatility (which atr is essentially) makes sense intuitivly (02:41 PM) dave_b_quik: why certainly, jimbo, they look like a very nice family (02:41 PM) dave_b_quik: don't be shy, limpan (02:41 PM) ppusa: jimbo hahaha (02:41 PM) skyprince_1: jimbo...what area of USA? (02:41 PM) jimbo_320: please look, i they are really in need, they are willing to camp in there van (pictured), there are usually quite inobtrusive (02:42 PM) dave_b_quik: they'd fit right in here in Buffalo (02:42 PM) jimbo_320: they are touring so any help is really greatly appreciated (02:42 PM) jimbo_320: la, seattle, buffulo, nyc (02:42 PM) XL_Limpan: Well I am Dave (02:42 PM) david h_2: where is the pic? (02:42 PM) jimbo_320: jimbo.gif (02:42 PM) dave_b_quik: are you a trader, limpan? (02:43 PM) XL_Limpan: Trader of what ? (02:43 PM) dave_b_quik: david, it's in the charts directory for today at dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart.com (02:43 PM) XL_Limpan: I'm a Sales Manager (02:43 PM) Buffy_04364: time linein pyra (02:43 PM) david h_2: lol (02:43 PM) dave_b_quik: limpan, we trade stock index futures (02:44 PM) ppusa: nq loves to take out lows by 1/2 point (02:44 PM) jimbo_320: any help with passports and claims for social security are gratefully accepted, they are not any trouble, honestly. (02:44 PM) XL_Limpan: Ok and how is it going dave ? After the terrorism attac in U.S. ? (02:44 PM) Buffy_04364: yep I think that is why GT uses 3T if in doubt (02:44 PM) Buffy_04364: 3 tics (02:45 PM) dave_b_quik: getting back to business now, limpan, but not the same certainly (02:45 PM) XL_Limpan: Maybe it is my speaker that doesn't work (02:45 PM) dave_b_quik: my son is in NYC picking up the pieces of the WTC (02:45 PM) dave_b_quik: we don't talk much during market hours, limpan (02:45 PM) XL_Limpan: Are people more "careful" now after the incident ? (02:46 PM) XL_Limpan: OK David... I guess there is a lot of "cleaning" to do .... (02:46 PM) BrainStorm: try to be carefull all the time hard sometimes (02:46 PM) david h_2: dave hope he has a good mask (02:46 PM) dave_b_quik: ya, people are much more aware of strangers (02:46 PM) XL_Limpan: Sad thing that happened I think... (02:46 PM) XL_Limpan: Me too (02:46 PM) elly_34: is it too much of a stretch to say retro got short from the 2:15 bar? (02:47 PM) XL_Limpan: Is it still smelling bad over there ? (02:47 PM) dave_b_quik: elly, at 2:15 retro was on the sidelines waiting for a breakout (02:47 PM) elly_34: k (02:47 PM) BrainStorm: looks short to me elly dunno if it would have been wriggled out (02:47 PM) elly_34: how about then the prev 15 min or u still consider that trading range? (02:48 PM) BrainStorm: my mistake tas the 2.30 (02:48 PM) XL_Limpan: Dave...u seems to be a nice person...take care I have to go... it's 08:55 PM over here in Sweden (02:48 PM) dave_b_quik: ya, elly, that all looks like part of the same choppy range (02:48 PM) dave_b_quik: good night, limpan (02:49 PM) XL_Limpan: And good luck in your business-territory (02:49 PM) dave_b_quik: thanks, you too (02:49 PM) XL_Limpan: Dave I'm going out tonuight :-) (02:49 PM) jimbo_320: trading this chop with a stop is impossible Paltalk: ========================================== Win $1000 and other prizes! Enter the Creative Cooking with Dried Plums Contest. Click Here ========================================== (02:49 PM) dave_b_quik: LOL, enjoy! (02:49 PM) dave_b_quik: ya, jimbo, if you figure out something that works here, let me know please (02:49 PM) elly_34: anyone here intersted in stock futures? (02:49 PM) Buffy_04364: yes it is jimbo (02:50 PM) XL_Limpan: Sorry for my bad spelling today...I'm very tired today :-) (02:50 PM) BrainStorm: I'm flat here jimbo good for ppusa though I guess? (02:50 PM) jimbo_320: risk management ? (02:50 PM) dave_b_quik: aside from stand aside? (02:50 PM) XL_Limpan: Bye (02:50 PM) BrainStorm: take care Limpan (02:51 PM) BrainStorm: 1 min has been the cleanest chart to my eye most of the day (02:51 PM) jimbo_320: extra large limp man ? (02:52 PM) jimbo_320: i guess it is something swedish (02:52 PM) dave_b_quik: must be. Sorry if we got off topic, elly. It's be kind to strangers week. (02:52 PM) Buffy_04364: agree bs (02:52 PM) jimbo_320: u watch the shorts cover this on the way up.. (02:53 PM) Daniel X: thats what im thinking (02:54 PM) jimbo_320: had a short pm, was up 2, in trade for 20 mins, went for a piss and i was stopped for -0.5 (02:54 PM) jimbo_320: sorry am (02:54 PM) BrainStorm: moral of the story.... (02:54 PM) ppusa: nice potential flag hour chart (02:54 PM) BrainStorm: chamber pot under the desk (02:55 PM) ppusa: no predictions here (02:55 PM) jimbo_320: lol (02:55 PM) ppusa: oversold tick chart ma's (02:56 PM) jimbo_320: out for 2.5es Paltalk: Your friends are just a click away! Press the invite button NOW! (02:56 PM) BrainStorm: slow steady downward march but the pullbacks look 80% ish (02:56 PM) elly_34: we must be chopping around in one of them fib clusters (02:57 PM) jimbo_320: gets me back to +0.5, think i'll quit while ahead (02:59 PM) BrainStorm: volume picking up a little but still light enough to be spiked Paltalk: ========================================== Smart Computing Risk-FREE Trial! Get PC tips & tricks in a Plain English writing style for PC users of all skill levels, Order NOW just $29 for12 issues. Click Here ========================================== (03:01 PM) elly_34: we're smack dab between the 50% and 62% retrace from low of 9/21 and high of 9/24 (03:01 PM) elly_34: 1163-1172 (03:01 PM) Buffy_04364: tks elly (03:01 PM) BrainStorm: scalping away ppusa? (03:02 PM) elly_34: then there's another slitghtly bigger tf one that also comes in righ around 1182 (03:02 PM) ppusa: no i had my head up my --- until you all responded so negatively to my breakout question. (03:02 PM) elly_34: i have noticed often when they come together they are tough resistance or solid support (03:02 PM) ppusa: gave me a wakeup call (03:03 PM) jimbo_320: i guess what makes choppy trading is the big boys not trading, just the little guys with the tight stops makes for a choppy market and fast up down movements (03:03 PM) ppusa: put me back on track (03:03 PM) BrainStorm: didnt catch your bo question (03:03 PM) ppusa: then yes i shorted four before break and covered (03:04 PM) ppusa: i asked what everyone thought of a break tonew highs and one comment was "chop at it's best" (03:04 PM) dave_b_quik: so maybe we should start a "room sentiment index" (03:04 PM) BrainStorm: volume picking up (03:04 PM) ppusa: really pays to have so many minds in room (03:05 PM) dave_b_quik: let's see, RSI is already taken... (03:05 PM) ppusa: well serious wake up call here thank you very much (03:05 PM) jimbo_320: i cannot see a break on a fri afternoon of a high that has held all day. (03:05 PM) dave_b_quik: OK, GSI: group sentiment index (03:05 PM) Orprepus: what is the forecast (03:06 PM) ppusa: i could now, doesn't matter- point is I stopped anticipating it with room comments (03:06 PM) elly_34: i thought up i just didn't say, i think shorts might be in for a surprise but just becasue fri afternoon seems so obvious and i'm trying to think (03:06 PM) Orprepus: will we meet expectations or give warning (03:07 PM) BrainStorm: and there is the window dressing to be done (03:07 PM) ppusa: yes Elly obviously i think up but needed 1-2-3 to get everyone out (03:07 PM) ppusa: see it clearly now (03:08 PM) ppusa: spent $330.00 trying to figure it out (03:08 PM) jimbo_320: i think most of the shorts covered yesterday (03:08 PM) elly_34: hmm interesting (03:08 PM) ppusa: then i wacked them for a few bucks just to let them know who's the daddy (03:09 PM) elly_34: lol (03:09 PM) elly_34: good (03:09 PM) Orprepus: lol Paltalk: ========================================== Save up to 80% on inkjet cartridges! 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(03:18 PM) BrainStorm: I dont rich (03:18 PM) BrainStorm: looking for similar (but more) (03:19 PM) elly_34: maybe reverse retro on days like today, sell breakouts, (03:20 PM) rich012: brainstorm, who's your data vendor now? Paltalk: ========================================== Looking for a needle in a haystack? Copernic 2001 Basic will find it! Search all the major search engines at once. COPERNIC 2001 BASIC, for FREE! Click Here ========================================== (03:20 PM) dave_b_quik: bye, all. Have a great weekend (03:20 PM) BrainStorm: Im with esignal (03:20 PM) elly_34: bye dave (03:20 PM) ppusa: BYE DAVE (03:20 PM) BrainStorm: though have a quote account active could probably download from quote if I can convert to ensign format (03:20 PM) ppusa: ok jimbo back. what do I consider a good scalp gain or what would it take to get me to cover +2,+3? WHAT IS QUESTION? (03:20 PM) Buffy_04364: u 2 dave (03:20 PM) BrainStorm: by dave