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elly_34: i am just watching it now
elly_34: on choppy days
Buffy_04364: let us know
Buffy_04364: might want to also watch it on the 5 and see what happens
Buffy_04364: morning Dave
elly_34: so far looks like the ones on the "wrong side" of the 20 ema fail more
elly_34: i do also watch the 5 min
dave_b_quik: morning all
elly_34: i am speaking of the non trending type days for some kind of filter 
Buffy_04364: ok 
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Buffy_04364: Greenspan is talking about the taxcut and needing another week or two to know how much
Buffy_04364: 100B is what is being considered
elly_34: alright, just woke up, no tv yet
elly_34: wow
Buffy_04364: none here either of course - my son keeps me informed LOL
hawki: morning all
Buffy_04364: He told me this morning opec has a meeting about the falling oil prices and that was all he could see that might affect the markets
Buffy_04364: morning hawk
hawki: hi b
Buffy_04364: retro has no money management rules per say either
Buffy_04364: two that might help is never let a winner turn into a loser
Buffy_04364: and never give back more than 50% of profits
Buffy_04364: trying to watch and see how that would help retro out
Buffy_04364: or hurt him
Buffy_04364: I will be leaving today about 1230 for bridge  :-)
Buffy_04364: but will leave the room open
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Buffy_04364: I see the rest of the team is showing up = morning all
Tom_B: gm
elly_34: yes buffy i think that is wise
elly_34: i think letting 30 points slide to 10 is dumb just because no 5 min structure has shown up
dave_b_quik: true, nobody in their right mind would do that
elly_34: so we are having money management talk today?
Buffy_04364: tomorrow
elly_34: oh right
elly_34: buffy i tried to save the conversation you were having yesterday after the class but i was not here and lost it all cause my computer froze, did u save it?
Buffy_04364: no elly I didn't
dave_b_quik: i just posted it on the transcripts page: 2001-09-25_retro.txt
Buffy_04364: I summarized it on the retro list though
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elly_34: great
Buffy_04364: great dave
Buffy_04364: should of known you would have it
wayne_53: hi Buffy...I was away from my computer and missed your greeting this morning
Buffy_04364: np wayne
wayne_53: any reports this morn
Buffy_04364: when I don't have sound I exit too fast and forget to save it
Buffy_04364: casino is open
Buffy_04364: there is only an opec meeting that might cause who knows what
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Buffy_04364: have to be on the phone for a bit - have fun guys
Buffy_04364: pyra says might be down here
dave_b_quik: thanks, buffy
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jimbo_320: good morning
rich012: Any 10
rich012: Any 10:00 reports today?
jimmer49: no reports
rich012: tx
hawki: rich I use http://biz.yahoo.com/c/01/09/cal4.html to find out what reports are coming out
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rich012: yx hawk
rich012: tx
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Daniel X: gm everyone
ppusa: gm
ppusa: oversleep?
Daniel X: no rommoing in other rooms
Daniel X: roamming
ppusa: searching pour la femme?
Daniel X: u short?
ppusa: not here
Daniel X: lol....went to visit my ex teacher
ppusa: 4 rt's
Daniel X: oh ok
ppusa: retro stopped
ppusa: bounce was to big after entry
Daniel X: yah saw that
ppusa: sold LOD
ppusa: I figured that would happen by looking at entry
Daniel X: Retro in now?
ppusa: has anyone watched retro's success at entering LOD?
ppusa: i don't know re=entry rule
dave_b_quik: retro has to wait for a 15m breakout
ppusa: there are many times when retro gets stopped just because the other end of the bar is not in
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ppusa: the trade is good...stopped only for that reason
dave_b_quik: ya, or because the bars are too tall for a 5 point fixed stop
raz_62: where was retro stop
Buffy_04364: posted 3m
dave_b_quik: 5 points (1191)
ppusa: 1100.5?
ppusa: 1199.5?
ppusa: first short?
raz_62: thanks
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skyprince_1: Triangle...which way will it break?
ppusa: imo looks like markets are going to get hit today. Casn't think of reason to go up
ppusa: retest high maybe look for short signal
Buffy_04364: look at the one on the 75T just posted
jimbo_320: bear flag to lod trendline
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Buffy_04364: just posted the pyra 4m also
ppusa: short Buffy?
jimbo_320: out 1/2 for +4.5 es
Buffy_04364: nope too close to the test of low
ppusa: 85-89 +4 here
Buffy_04364: filled
ppusa: wait another couple minutes and these prices will seem like too close to the high
ppusa: daily charts are up against down trending ma's
Buffy_04364: stop at 82.50 here
Buffy_04364: out
ppusa: think HOD is in
ppusa: sad to say
Buffy_04364: not doing what I expect it too
raz_62: is stop 87.5
Buffy_04364: it is testing bottom now
Buffy_04364: can always get back in
Buffy_04364: where did you go short raz?
ppusa: markets could get some sort of fakey but so far action suggests straight down
ppusa: flat here
raz_62: 82.5
Buffy_04364: are your charts ok now?
dbphoenix: I'd look for a bottom at 1000 on es, 1170 on nq.
Buffy_04364: tks db
raz_62: better
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raz_62: not convienced yet
Buffy_04364: :-)
Buffy_04364: in another triangle on 75T
raz_62: still some problems
Tom_B: ..es holding 1m 200ema so far
dbphoenix: Possible support on Naz at 1483 (more or less)
Buffy_04364: hmm if I have problems with tick server disabled it is usually my isp hanging up in boston
raz_62: on that spike down yesterday i showed double spikes
wayne_53: What is Teresa Lo's "bread and butter trade"
raz_62: wierd
dbphoenix: B&B is tests and retracements.
wayne_53: thnx
wayne_53: Are those the trades she primarily goes for?
Buffy_04364: she does ok with 2bs too always ready for them to reverse
Tom_B: es holding 200ema on test
jimbo_320: potientail W bottom on es3
wayne_53: Does she take those mainly off the 3m chart?
dbphoenix: For instance, today you'd wait for test of yesterday's low at 1170.  If it fell below that, you'd wait for retracement, then short.
ppusa: 5 min 2B?
dbphoenix: Nowadays I believe she's using 5-15-45.
wayne_53: thnx
wayne_53: lazy W bottom   looks like it wants to go up
dbphoenix: But she uses 3m as well.  Doesn't really matter.  Yesterday's low is yesterday's low.  But you might find a triangle, for example, in one timeframe that you won't find in another.
wayne_53: that's on the ES the lazy w dm
wayne_53: 3m
dbphoenix: Sounds like an old Gene Autry movie.
wayne_53: what was his horse's name
dbphoenix: Sally.
wayne_53: I thought it was Daisy
dbphoenix: I can tell you Dale Evans' horse's name, tho.
wayne_53: buttermilk
jimbo_320: is the pivot calulated as yesterday high - yest low /2 ?
dbphoenix: Very good.
Daniel X: /3
wayne_53: now if I can only do that good trading
jimbo_320: (yh - yl) /3 ?
texskeet: Ok Roy Rogers ?
wayne_53: that's easy
Daniel X: open hi lo
jimbo_320: can u write it out dan?
jimmer49: hi lo close/3
skyprince_1: Hint:  Trading term
wayne_53: everyone knows trigger
jimbo_320: (hi - low - close) /3 ?
jimmer49: y
Tom_B: after set up, comes trigger than if ur right...bullet
dbphoenix: Gene Autry's horse's name was Champion (ain't the internet wunnerful?
texskeet: Good Tom
wayne_53: great
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Tom_B: :)
Daniel X: hi +lo+cl /3
wayne_53: we have too much time on our hands
texskeet: OK where is trigger ?
wayne_53: smithsonian maybe
skyprince_1: A museum?  CA?
dbphoenix: The horse or the entry point?
Tom_B: retro shrt 82.5 stop still 87.5
(10:41 AM) Daniel X: Jimbo got that?
(10:41 AM) jimbo_320: thanks dan
(10:42 AM) Daniel X: k
(10:42 AM) ppusa: Did someone stuff Trigger and put him on display?
(10:42 AM) wayne_53: yes
(10:42 AM) texskeet: Roy did
(10:42 AM) ppusa: kinda sick
(10:42 AM) wayne_53: texskeet......Where is he at
(10:42 AM) Daniel X: can we get a whump?
(10:43 AM) dbphoenix: You don't know cowboys.
(10:43 AM) Tom_B: The Jeep was Claribel
(10:43 AM) Daniel X: no pateince for .5 point grind
(10:43 AM) ppusa: Reno is down the street
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(10:43 AM) texskeet: Had it in his will to stuff himself and be put on top of trigger
(10:44 AM) Tom_B: no way
(10:44 AM) ppusa: might as well
(10:44 AM) texskeet: dale had to out live him to stop it 
(10:44 AM) Tom_B: wat about Dale /
(10:45 AM) ppusa: don't go there
(10:45 AM) dbphoenix: Nearing yesterday's low.
(10:45 AM) Tom_B: was there retro add at 79.5 ?
(10:45 AM) Buffy_04364: beanman has his daily es pyra up
(10:45 AM) Tom_B: 79, 5m IB ?
(10:45 AM) mgkrebs: http://www.royrogers.com/museum.html
(10:46 AM) ppusa: no way would i buy higher than yester low
(10:46 AM) Buffy_04364: I see it tom 
(10:46 AM) ppusa: oversold don't care
(10:47 AM) jimbo_320: god, this is taking its time
(10:47 AM) wayne_53: the ES has another 14 pts to go before hitting yesterday's low
(10:47 AM) Daniel X: took a 2 point loss for lack of pateince
(10:47 AM) ppusa: maybe hold
(10:47 AM) ppusa: someone else's trade
(10:48 AM) jimbo_320: still in 1/2 pos
(10:48 AM) Tom_B: bouncing off DT line
(10:48 AM) jimbo_320: from 17.75
(10:48 AM) dbphoenix: Theoretically, if it turns before reaching the target, that's a sign of strength.
(10:48 AM) Daniel X: 1170 pivot support 1
(10:48 AM) jimbo_320: one of those grinding days
(10:49 AM) ppusa: i wonder if markets take out min/tues low if they will still hold Friday
(10:49 AM) dbphoenix: 1170 is also the top of that gap, of course.
(10:49 AM) Buffy_04364: it is waiting for me to go play bridge  :-)
(10:50 AM) Daniel X: kidding
(10:50 AM) ppusa: yes, after my nap
(10:50 AM) Daniel X: Greenspan cut again!!
(10:50 AM) ppusa: 5 rt's
(10:50 AM) Tom_B: DANIEL
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(10:50 AM) Daniel X: Tom lol
(10:50 AM) raz_62: is retro in a trade
(10:50 AM) jimbo_320: where the bounce then?
(10:51 AM) Buffy_04364: wouldn't surprise me at all - when is fed meeting?
(10:51 AM) Orprepus: nex week
(10:51 AM) Buffy_04364: tks
(10:52 AM) Tom_B: dbq is retro stp 1182 or high of rev bar 80 ?
(10:52 AM) Daniel X: Retro stop @ 86
(10:52 AM) Daniel X: ib rule
(10:52 AM) Tom_B: wat abt 5m 2B /
(10:53 AM) Tom_B: ?
(10:53 AM) Buffy_04364: isn't that also a swing high though and would be lower daniel?
(10:53 AM) ann_87: daniel is the stop not 85 as was last swinghigh?
(10:54 AM) Daniel X: swing and ib take ur pick
(10:54 AM) Buffy_04364: ok no rule LOL
(10:54 AM) jimbo_320: out the rest for +2.75
(10:54 AM) raz_62: where was the entry i thought stopped out
(10:54 AM) Tom_B: no 2B ?
(10:55 AM) dbphoenix: In
(10:57 AM) Daniel X: TOm ur saying 82 for 2B?
(10:58 AM) Tom_B: y
(10:58 AM) raz_62: i do not see any 15 min bar that could have been entry without stopping out
(10:58 AM) raz_62: but i am confused so 
(10:58 AM) dbphoenix: Looks like 1174 might have been the 2b
(10:58 AM) jimbo_320: sold half long scalp for +2
(10:59 AM) dbphoenix: To BE
(10:59 AM) wayne_53: what did you get your buy fill at jimbo
(10:59 AM) jimbo_320: 14.75
(10:59 AM) Tom_B: dbq 2B @ 82 stp or stp dwn on rev bar @80 ?
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(11:00 AM) jimbo_320: break of dowtrend on 5 min, rallying dow
(11:01 AM) wayne_53: vg
(11:01 AM) jimbo_320: trying cascading exits here which seem to work pretty well so far
(11:03 AM) Buffy_04364: can't seem to get through TOS on 4M
(11:04 AM) dbphoenix: Stopped out at BE
(11:05 AM) jimbo_320: 20ema 1, needs bounce here
(11:05 AM) Buffy_04364: posted the 4m pyra
(11:06 AM) Buffy_04364: what is the lowest TF anyone is watching pyra on?
(11:06 AM) jimbo_320: stopped the rest
(11:07 AM) dbphoenix: Below UTL from yesterday's low
(11:08 AM) jimbo_320: vol dry up, watching 4 short
(11:08 AM) wayne_53: where's you entry point for a short jimbo
(11:09 AM) dbphoenix: Below UTL from Friday's low as well.
(11:10 AM) jimbo_320: no fixed entry, watching the charts, maybe the 11.20 sell off will come along
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(11:11 AM) dbphoenix: Would be nice to see a better 2b.
(11:12 AM) jimbo_320: daily chart has pot for a big sell off
(11:13 AM) Buffy_04364: posted 3M with new TL
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(11:14 AM) Buffy_04364: price is trapped
(11:14 AM) Buffy_04364: IB on 9m
(11:15 AM) jimbo_320: posted es daily chart
(11:16 AM) raz_62: who trades retro in this room please
(11:16 AM) dave_b_quik: :-)
(11:17 AM) Tom_B: is retro shrt 78 or waiting for 74 ?
(11:17 AM) dave_b_quik: on the narrow range days retro doesn't have a lot of friends
(11:18 AM) dave_b_quik: retro is sidelined for now
(11:18 AM) raz_62: thanks
(11:18 AM) Tom_B: dbq, is 74 nxt entry ?
(11:19 AM) raz_62: sorry to intrude just trying to learn about it
(11:19 AM) Buffy_04364: np raz it is good for the room to ask ?s
(11:19 AM) Buffy_04364: are u signed up for the retro email?
(11:19 AM) Hollie_: I'm trying also to learn raz
(11:20 AM) raz_62: no
(11:20 AM) raz_62: is that on site
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(11:21 AM) ab_18: es  1018 retracement high  1012  midrange  1006  objective? support
(11:21 AM) dave_b_quik: ya, the mail list link is at the top of the retrotrader page at dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart.com
(11:21 AM) Buffy_04364: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/retrotrader
(11:21 AM) skyprince_1: LOD could slow things down...
(11:21 AM) jimbo_320: train right on time
(11:21 AM) Buffy_04364: couldn't hear you raz ifyou said something
(11:21 AM) skyprince_1: yesterday I mean
(11:22 AM) raz_62: thanks
(11:23 AM) Buffy_04364: u welc
(11:23 AM) Buffy_04364: I just posted a 4m pyra with arrow on indicators
(11:23 AM) Buffy_04364: while this doesn't mean the move has come to an end it does mean to be careful - BOS is also coming up
(11:24 AM) jimbo_320: lets see if we can crack 1010
(11:24 AM) Buffy_04364: tks for chart jimbo
(11:25 AM) Buffy_04364: labeled it 4m Pyra - arrow
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(11:26 AM) wayne_53: Daniel when selling on the bounces what kind of stop are you putting in?
(11:27 AM) Daniel X: 5
(11:28 AM) wayne_53: thnx
(11:28 AM) wayne_53: not doing the ES today Daniel
(11:28 AM) Daniel X: no..NQ
(11:29 AM) Daniel X: week
(11:29 AM) Daniel X: alternating this wek
(11:29 AM) larrybf: dan-what time frame are you trading?
(11:29 AM) Daniel X: 5/1 im in scalp mode now
(11:29 AM) larrybf: thanks
(11:30 AM) larrybf: why not use3/1?
(11:30 AM) larrybf: 3min/1min dan?
(11:30 AM) Daniel X: because also watching 15/5 for Retro incase he has to bat
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(11:30 AM) Daniel X: 15/9/5/1
(11:31 AM) larrybf: ok-thanks
(11:31 AM) wayne_53: how many monitors do you have Daniel?
(11:31 AM) Daniel X: 2
(11:31 AM) ab_18: how many eyes
(11:31 AM) Daniel X: all of you!
(11:31 AM) Daniel X: lol
(11:32 AM) larrybf: how many brains!
(11:32 AM) Daniel X: now thats a good question?
(11:32 AM) ab_18: we can multi-task then
(11:32 AM) Daniel X: LOL
(11:32 AM) ab_18: frontal lobe is slow developing
(11:32 AM) Buffy_04364: yep all of the teams eyes - love it
(11:32 AM) larrybf: my brain needs more ram
(11:33 AM) larrybf: brain keeps crashing
(11:33 AM) dbphoenix: Try putting chicory in your coffee.
(11:33 AM) Buffy_04364: :-)
(11:33 AM) larrybf: db- are you serious?
(11:34 AM) dbphoenix: Sure.  Haven't you ever been to New Orleans?
(11:34 AM) dave_b_quik: New Orleans never sleeps
(11:34 AM) larrybf: i was into all that back in my hippie days in the 70's
(11:34 AM) dbphoenix: That's because of the chicory :0)
(11:35 AM) skyprince_1: Cafe du monde
(11:35 AM) Tom_B: cool dude
(11:35 AM) Daniel X: chilly peppers in hot chocolate is another fav
(11:35 AM) dave_b_quik: chicory is first cousin to the humble dandelion
(11:35 AM) dbphoenix: Or the Morning Call.
(11:35 AM) Tom_B: Yea..Cafe Du Monde
(11:36 AM) larrybf: dave- when we get together i buy dinner but you gotta bring me pesto sauce!!
(11:36 AM) dave_b_quik: no prob, the freezer's full of it
(11:36 AM) larrybf: great- i love it
(11:37 AM) dave_b_quik: one of life's simple pleasures
(11:37 AM) Buffy_04364: anyone who watches the ticki alerts agree more accumulation than distribution today?  Haven't been watching it that long and was wondering  others thoughts
(11:37 AM) david h_2: dave what is you recipe?
(11:38 AM) Daniel X: Retro's missing 2 legs and an arm..can he use the one arm he's got to place another trade or shhould he go to lunch..Retro needs replenishing
(11:38 AM) Daniel X: so do i ..back in 10 mins
(11:38 AM) dave_b_quik: dave: lotta garlic, basil, olive oil, romano
(11:39 AM) jimbo_320: out half for +3 es
(11:39 AM) Buffy_04364: good jimbo
(11:39 AM) david h_2: no parm?
(11:39 AM) Buffy_04364: nq just tested top of 3M tl
(11:39 AM) Buffy_04364: still doesn't know what it wants to do
(11:39 AM) dave_b_quik: sometimes
(11:39 AM) david h_2: pine nuts?
(11:40 AM) dave_b_quik: that's good
(11:40 AM) skyprince_1: Yeah...TICKI 10ma shows slight accumulation today..
(11:40 AM) david h_2: that stuff is heavy or it could be that i eat too much at a siting 
(11:40 AM) david h_2: lol
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(11:41 AM) david h_2: how many plats did you grow and how much pesto did you get?
(11:41 AM) dbphoenix: NQ riding the old DTL rather than bouncing off of it.
(11:41 AM) Buffy_04364: sign of strength db?
(11:42 AM) Buffy_04364: confusion anyway
(11:42 AM) dbphoenix: Weakness.
(11:42 AM) Buffy_04364: k
(11:42 AM) dave_b_quik: dave, it's still growing, no plats, just last year's seeds
(11:42 AM) dbphoenix: If it skitters along an old TL rather than bouncing, it's more likely to fall through it.
(11:42 AM) dbphoenix: By old I mean the 930/1020 DTL
(11:42 AM) Buffy_04364: k
(11:42 AM) Buffy_04364: tks
(11:43 AM) elly_34: buffy could u post a 5 min chart pls when u have a min?
(11:43 AM) dbphoenix: OTOH, we're dead on support.  Real battle.
(11:43 AM) Buffy_04364: k
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(11:44 AM) jimbo_320: market is a different to last week, would of ploughed straight through 1010 by now
(11:44 AM) Buffy_04364: done elly
(11:44 AM) dbphoenix: If we break 1170, there ought to be a short sale setup coming along.
(11:44 AM) elly_34: ty
(11:46 AM) jimbo_320: gogo
(11:46 AM) jimbo_320: needs some volume
(11:50 AM) ann_87: 1165.50 2 day low
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(11:52 AM) mgkrebs: tick has made higher low as es makes lower lows
(11:54 AM) mgkrebs: not anymore
(11:54 AM) dbphoenix: In
(11:58 AM) ppusa: yawn
(11:58 AM) ab_18: looking to reverse
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(12:02 PM) dbphoenix: Apparently there weren't very many sellstops below 1170.
(12:03 PM) dbphoenix: Too bad they can't be called shortstops.
(12:05 PM) Buffy_04364: elly are your bars ok?
(12:07 PM) jimbo_320: covered the rest for +5 es
(12:07 PM) jimbo_320: hate grinding down days
(12:08 PM) ppusa: time for small bounce
(12:08 PM) ppusa: don't think LOD isin yet thogh
(12:08 PM) jimbo_320: going to do some painting, back after lunch
(12:08 PM) wayne_53: vg jimbo
(12:09 PM) dave_b_quik: good show, jimbo
(12:09 PM) Buffy_04364: nice jimbo
(12:09 PM) jimbo_320: market is holding well today considering
(12:09 PM) wayne_53: I know we talk about inside bars a lot but what is the significance of an outside bar.  What should we watch for when you get one of those
(12:10 PM) Buffy_04364: if close is higher than open it is considered bullish
(12:10 PM) Buffy_04364: if close is lower than open then bearish
(12:10 PM) wayne_53: thnx buffy
(12:10 PM) Buffy_04364: u welc
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(12:11 PM) ppusa: looks like due for up 15 min bar...but if it happens, I think i might wait until the next one before i consider a long
(12:11 PM) Buffy_04364: doesn't always work as you can see on the 11:00 bar on the 5M
(12:11 PM) ppusa: would retro take this long?
(12:12 PM) dave_b_quik: y
(12:12 PM) wayne_53: I'm on the ES Buffy
(12:12 PM) Buffy_04364: higher low on 5M so trend reversed right dave?
(12:12 PM) Buffy_04364: oh ok sorry wayne
(12:12 PM) dave_b_quik: ya, and back from sidelined 'cus of range break
(12:13 PM) Buffy_04364: personally after watching many charts wayne - if you get an IB after engulfing bar showing indecision - that is the break to take trade off of
(12:13 PM) ppusa: i just scalped...was trying to exit 69.5 and gave up
(12:13 PM) Buffy_04364: others may have noticed something else about them
(12:13 PM) dave_b_quik: it's also a 2B test of yd low on 15m
(12:13 PM) wayne_53: ok
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(12:14 PM) ppusa: could be LOD and I should have held but I would like to see more of a spike bar
(12:15 PM) ppusa: also looking at hour chart
(12:16 PM) elly_34: sorry buffy didn't see u
(12:16 PM) elly_34: they look ok the number but the  high low aren't exactly the same
(12:16 PM) elly_34: those five min bars, the lows go up in an orderly fashion on yours, on mine not like that
(12:18 PM) Buffy_04364: howard is on elly
(12:18 PM) Buffy_04364: please go see him
(12:18 PM) elly_34: k
(12:18 PM) Buffy_04364: thanks
(12:18 PM) elly_34: fone
(12:19 PM) ppusa: Dave what range do you refer to in "range break"....previous day? And are you long here?
(12:20 PM) dave_b_quik: yes, i was watching yd low, and no, i didn't take this one
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(12:21 PM) dave_b_quik: (but retro did)
(12:21 PM) Buffy_04364: I let him know you were coming elly and also reminded him wouldn't be at class
(12:22 PM) ppusa: tks
(12:22 PM) laniermasters: what does "yd" stand for?
(12:22 PM) dave_b_quik: yesterday
(12:22 PM) laniermasters: thx
(12:23 PM) dave_b_quik: we need a glossary :-)
(12:23 PM) ice_50: dave where is the stop now
(12:24 PM) Buffy_04364: howard has already posted the class for today show the new features in the new version at his website
(12:24 PM) dave_b_quik: retro out at 67.5 -3
(12:25 PM) ice_50: tks
(12:26 PM) raz_62: where did that stop come from?
(12:27 PM) raz_62: i was long at 70.5
(12:27 PM) dave_b_quik: ahatolii?
(12:28 PM) Buffy_04364: well all leaving now
(12:28 PM) Buffy_04364: room staying open
(12:28 PM) Buffy_04364: have fun
(12:29 PM) dave_b_quik: thanks, buffy. have a good bridge game
(12:29 PM) raz_62: bye
(12:29 PM) elly_34: bye buffy
(12:29 PM) elly_34: see u later
(12:29 PM) wayne_53: bye buffy
(12:30 PM) ahatolii: iuhç_çpià)_èç_-ç_
(12:30 PM) dave_b_quik: ?????
(12:30 PM) dave_b_quik: English ahatolii, or French, or Spanish
(12:30 PM) wayne_53: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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(12:31 PM) Daniel X: chech
(12:31 PM) wayne_53: fine
(12:31 PM) dave_b_quik: good
(12:32 PM) dave_b_quik: what language was that?
(12:32 PM) wayne_53: got me
(12:35 PM) dave_b_quik: is IB stuck?
(12:35 PM) dave_b_quik: OK, now it's working
(12:35 PM) Daniel X: Retro lond 72
(12:35 PM) Daniel X: long
(12:36 PM) wayne_53: looks like breakout
(12:36 PM) wayne_53: then again maybe fakeout
(12:36 PM) Daniel X: 75 has to go
(12:36 PM) Daniel X: no italiano
(12:36 PM) laniermasters: ciao
(12:36 PM) Daniel X: englese
(12:37 PM) dave_b_quik: we're the UN today
(12:37 PM) Daniel X: lol
(12:40 PM) Daniel X: above 15 min EMAs
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(12:41 PM) ann_87: above 15 min ema's?
(12:42 PM) Daniel X: yes
(12:42 PM) Daniel X: 20/40
(12:42 PM) ann_87: daniel what market?
(12:42 PM) Daniel X: NQ
(12:42 PM) ann_87: not mine
(12:43 PM) Daniel X: whats ur 20 at
(12:43 PM) Daniel X: ?
(12:43 PM) ann_87: 1179 on the 15 min
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(12:44 PM) Daniel X: simple ?
(12:44 PM) Daniel X: exp?
(12:44 PM) ann_87: exp
(12:44 PM) Daniel X: oh thats why
(12:44 PM) ann_87: oh you said ema
(12:44 PM) ann_87: which is exp
(12:45 PM) Daniel X: yes exponential moving average
(12:46 PM) Daniel X: should of said MAs
(12:46 PM) ann_87: my simple is at 82
(12:46 PM) Daniel X: sorry
(12:46 PM) ann_87: so price is still BELOW both on my charts
(12:46 PM) Daniel X: i uses amodified
(12:46 PM) ann_87: not above
(12:47 PM) ann_87: oh ok
(12:47 PM) ann_87: just making sure i was understanding
(12:47 PM) ann_87: how is yours modified?
(12:47 PM) Daniel X: i have a early detection modification generates fakeouts sometimes
(12:48 PM) ann_87: oh ok  great
(12:48 PM) Daniel X: like right now my % min 20 MA is supporting NQ
(12:48 PM) Daniel X: 1168
(12:48 PM) Daniel X: my5 min
(12:49 PM) Tom_B: shrt nq
(12:49 PM) Daniel X: and my 1 min is showing back side selling from 73
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(12:51 PM) Daniel X: Tom short off the 2B?
(12:52 PM) Daniel X: i hate when we start lunch at the pivots....ugh
(12:53 PM) Daniel X: no volume to pull us away
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(01:04 PM) wayne_53: ES goig for LOD
(01:04 PM) ppusa: ma's on 15 minute are steep decline which is why i thought LOD was not in. NQ rallied up to put in the high of the current hour. Now 4 down hours. Next 15 minute bar may take long looking for an up hour depending on setup
(01:05 PM) ppusa: iac
(01:05 PM) Daniel X: ANYBODY HAVING NQ QUOTE PROBLEMS?
(01:05 PM) rich012: NQ down in the gap area from Monday
(01:05 PM) ppusa: if anyone cares
(01:05 PM) ab_18: y   globex  dtn
(01:05 PM) ppusa: i might be Dan
(01:05 PM) Daniel X: damn
(01:06 PM) ppusa: yea got a funny gap showing here
(01:06 PM) Tom_B: hve 45 ish target...just for the record
(01:06 PM) Daniel X: guess we're not invited for the  ride
(01:06 PM) dave_b_quik: dan, my IB quote froze for 20 seconds or so a half hour ago, but since then no prob
(01:07 PM) ppusa: Pats working 59-60
(01:07 PM) Daniel X: sob
(01:07 PM) ab_18: http://www.cme.com/products/index/products_index_marketsound.cfm      didn't miss a beat
(01:07 PM) wayne_53: Next stop on ES 1000?
(01:07 PM) ppusa: 58-59
(01:07 PM) Daniel X: 1161.50 frozen
(01:07 PM) rich012: no nq prob on esignal
(01:08 PM) ppusa: 58-59
(01:08 PM) ppusa: 59-60
(01:08 PM) jimbo_320: bk
(01:09 PM) Daniel X: i have it as refresh on broker platform
(01:09 PM) jimbo_320: hows retro doing today?
(01:10 PM) dave_b_quik: stopped out a few times, short 1168.5
(01:11 PM) raz_62: what was the short signal dave
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(01:11 PM) dave_b_quik: 15m 3rd upbar
(01:12 PM) Daniel X: on quotes
(01:12 PM) Daniel X: AB 18 u still down also?
(01:12 PM) jimbo_320: that 1168.5 was a good trade which ever way u look at it !
(01:12 PM) raz_62: yep
(01:12 PM) raz_62: thanks
(01:13 PM) jimbo_320: this could get ugly later
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(01:15 PM) dave_b_quik: on the NDX daily looks like a test of the Friday low
(01:15 PM) dave_b_quik: unless it turns out to be a stealth bull flag
(01:15 PM) rich012: If ES breaks 1005 and holds below, NQ will get even uglier
(01:16 PM) jimbo_320: 1 min dow red since 12.40
(01:16 PM) ppusa: no big deal
(01:16 PM) ppusa: talked yesterday about retest possibility and here it is
(01:16 PM) dave_b_quik: ES yd low 1000
(01:18 PM) ppusa: possibility of turn around if dow and sp hold
(01:18 PM) ppusa: darn quotes are down and i willmiss the 15 minute bar long
(01:19 PM) jimbo_320: we are under the 30 min trendline on es. if 995 goes, could get a big move down
(01:20 PM) Daniel X: i've got nada
(01:20 PM) ppusa: correct me if i am wrong but Dpow and S&P have higher highs, higher lows today?
(01:20 PM) ppusa: quotes up
(01:21 PM) Daniel X: here we go
(01:21 PM) Daniel X: 20 mins no data
(01:21 PM) dave_b_quik: ya, djx and spx still updays (barely)
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(01:22 PM) Daniel X: lol my NQ lod is 116.150
(01:22 PM) dave_b_quik: buy it
(01:22 PM) Daniel X: shoulda covered
(01:22 PM) Daniel X: lol
(01:23 PM) dave_b_quik: pres talkin
(01:23 PM) Daniel X: uh oh
(01:24 PM) dave_b_quik: hope he sticks to the script
(01:24 PM) Daniel X: sell on 1rst hint of fired missile
(01:24 PM) Daniel X: keep me informed plz!!
(01:25 PM) Daniel X: NQ is stop and go
(01:26 PM) ppusa: is low nq 1157?
(01:26 PM) Daniel X: 116.150 fo me
(01:26 PM) Daniel X: 1157 yes 
(01:26 PM) dbphoenix: Yes.  Should hit DTL around 1166.
(01:26 PM) Daniel X: what'd he say?!!
(01:27 PM) Daniel X: whats he saying
(01:27 PM) ppusa: missed the long because of quotes
(01:27 PM) Daniel X: anyone watching Bush?
(01:28 PM) jimmer49: watching
(01:28 PM) Daniel X: whats he saying?
(01:28 PM) jimmer49: similar to speeces yesterday
(01:28 PM) jimmer49: speeches
(01:28 PM) raz_62: sos
(01:28 PM) Daniel X: fifnancial eptalk
(01:28 PM) raz_62: so far
(01:29 PM) jimmer49: he is just there at CIA to give them a pep talk
(01:30 PM) rich012: nq and es to down TL now
(01:30 PM) raz_62: over
(01:30 PM) raz_62: nothing
(01:30 PM) ppusa: can someone post a 15 min chart please
(01:30 PM) jimmer49: Bush done speaking
(01:31 PM) ppusa: or 5 min
(01:31 PM) jimmer49: somebody must have told him not to ramble on like yesterday
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(01:33 PM) jimbo_320: posted 15 min not a close up though
(01:33 PM) ppusa: tks
(01:35 PM) Orprepus: found us - we type mostly
(01:35 PM) Orprepus: and archive at www.dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart.com
(01:36 PM) Daniel X: PPUSA lod in
(01:36 PM) Daniel X: ?
(01:36 PM) rich012: sowseeds, you must trade ags with that nick  :-)
(01:36 PM) Daniel X: lower tommorrow after report
(01:37 PM) laniermasters: fyi - congress considering putting a temporary halt to short selling http://cnnfn.cnn.com/2001/09/24/news/wire/shortsell - probably stocks only
(01:37 PM) ppusa: #%$$#^%^%#&^ damn dtn
(01:37 PM) laniermasters: I hope not at all
(01:37 PM) Daniel X: better be stocks only
(01:38 PM) ab_18:  Bass Bros sold 135M shares of Disney to cover a $2B margin call
(01:38 PM) ppusa: trying to watch for buy signal but charts screwed up
(01:38 PM) ppusa: Dan hour chart and PnF due for bounce
(01:38 PM) ab_18: last week
(01:38 PM) ppusa: hoping one more low
(01:38 PM) Daniel X: thanx
(01:38 PM) Tom_B: es bkng
(01:39 PM) Daniel X: 1 min eratic
(01:39 PM) raz_62: couldnt get that link to open
(01:39 PM) raz_62: did anyone else
(01:39 PM) Daniel X: or is that DTN messing me up
(01:39 PM) rich012: Congress ought to keeps their hands off the markets.
(01:39 PM) laniermasters: http://cnnfn.cnn.com/2001/09/24/news/wires/shortsell_re/
(01:40 PM) rich012: It is all the shorts that will help the rally later on.
(01:40 PM) Daniel X: well buy dips and sell bounces
(01:41 PM) laniermasters: I'll e-mail to the group.
(01:41 PM) Orprepus: no shorts no liquidity - more will really tank
(01:42 PM) rich012: seems like Es should be doing better than this on this little rally attempt.  Might need to head lower first.
(01:42 PM) jimmer49: Congress will not do such a silly thing - too complex to legislate and they will figure that out before doing something stupid.
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(01:42 PM) rich012: orp, right.  But leave it to Congress to get involved.  Probably won't happen.  No way.
(01:43 PM) Orprepus: right
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(01:44 PM) rich012: Here comes them move down on the ES.  So is it refueling for rally, or going to tank?
(01:44 PM) Daniel X: stop cleaning in progress
(01:45 PM) rich012: Clean out longs, suck in shorts and then rally, Daniel?
(01:45 PM) Daniel X: rally ahead of initial jobless..doubt it
(01:46 PM) jimmer49: CNN is keeping the market down as much as anything - perpetuating crisis atmoshpere.
(01:46 PM) Daniel X: but who knows
(01:47 PM) rich012: jimmer, nah, nobody watches CNN anymore.  :-)
(01:47 PM) ppusa: if no shorting, we could easily adjust
(01:47 PM) ppusa: charts are charts
(01:47 PM) bruce_lee_2: hi
(01:47 PM) Tom_B: 45.5 ish still proj trgt, just for giggles
(01:47 PM) bruce_lee_2: Hello room
(01:49 PM) ppusa: Dan LOD?
(01:49 PM) dave_b_quik: hey, bruce!
(01:50 PM) ppusa: S&P and Dow scare me but due for bounce
(01:50 PM) ppusa: Hey 
(01:50 PM) ppusa: Dan
(01:50 PM) jimbo_320: didnt u say that at the last low? lol
(01:50 PM) ppusa: i said one more
(01:50 PM) bruce_lee_2: Hi Dave   how are you?
(01:50 PM) dave_b_quik: great.  where ya been?
(01:50 PM) ppusa: scroll back jimbo
(01:51 PM) jimbo_320: ok just pullin your leg :-)
(01:51 PM) ppusa: but if Dow and SnP go could get nasty
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(01:54 PM) rich012: I want to go long ES but NQ weakness holding me back.
(01:55 PM) rich012: Divergences today.
(01:55 PM) ann_87: 2b?
(01:55 PM) ann_87: 15 min nq
(01:55 PM) dave_b_quik: ya, it was
(01:55 PM) ppusa: nq starting bounce
(01:56 PM) jimbo_320: nice doji on es 5 follow by big green candle
(01:56 PM) ppusa: still early
(01:57 PM) ppusa: 15 minute chart still no up bar
(01:57 PM) Daniel X: hope it coincides with the train
(01:59 PM) Daniel X: long stop cleaning in a minute here
(02:00 PM) Daniel X: must be a ton @ around 62 to 65
(02:02 PM) jimbo_320: if we can head back up to the highs like yesterday, this could be good for the chances of a rally
(02:02 PM) Daniel X: thinking r we?
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(02:02 PM) ppusa: what i don't understand is Dan asks me about LOD and I say one more drop. Then nq drops one more time and rallies to up 15 min bar. 
(02:03 PM) Daniel X: and did u buy?
(02:03 PM) ppusa: heck yes
(02:03 PM) ppusa: out though now
(02:03 PM) ppusa: who is your darn daddy!!!!!!
(02:03 PM) ppusa: i don't like the SnP and Dow
(02:03 PM) Daniel X: lol
(02:04 PM) Daniel X: hard to go long against the Dow
(02:05 PM) ppusa: had a good entry and could have run a stop but didn't
(02:05 PM) Daniel X: i want to see a forced short cober
(02:05 PM) jimbo_320: chance of a bouce to 16 area
(02:05 PM) Daniel X: comeon take out 70
(02:05 PM) ppusa: my charts arre just tweaked enough to where i am uncomfortable (from DTN outage)
(02:06 PM) Daniel X: i didn't download missing bars for that same worry
(02:07 PM) jimbo_320: 10 should  will see short covering
(02:07 PM) ab_18: this pyrapoint is back in syc w/outage
(02:07 PM) ppusa: that was my original target
(02:07 PM) ppusa: 15 point PnF needs reversal too
(02:07 PM) ppusa: should hit 1166 nq to reverse 10 point PnF
(02:07 PM) ppusa: currently high of hour may get continuation next hour ""train
(02:08 PM) ppusa: or this could be high of bounce
(02:08 PM) Daniel X: 12 min fron the train
(02:08 PM) Daniel X: yes could have been early
(02:08 PM) ab_18: es 1018  -   1012   -   1006    (consolidation)
(02:08 PM) ppusa: right at 200 tick ma
(02:08 PM) ppusa: if break that, may get good run
(02:08 PM) ppusa: i got my scalp, now flat
(02:09 PM) Daniel X: going for 65 stops
(02:09 PM) ab_18: pyrapoint coming up w/high rsi3
(02:10 PM) Tom_B: bye all, see u ltr
(02:11 PM) Daniel X: ok Tom take care
(02:12 PM) Tom_B: :)
(02:12 PM) ppusa: 9 rt's today 24 total since monday 2 losses 
(02:12 PM) jimbo_320: see if 8 holds, posted dow chart
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(02:12 PM) ppusa: average win / loss ratio = 2 of 24
(02:13 PM) elly_34: that's awesome ppusa
(02:13 PM) ppusa: need to let some of the trades run
(02:13 PM) ppusa: thanks elly but trouthfully not good enough
(02:13 PM) ppusa: nice average though
(02:14 PM) jimbo_320: 3 trades 3 winners today +8 es
(02:14 PM) elly_34: you trade multiple contracts?
(02:14 PM) Daniel X: this week is burning me out
(02:14 PM) ppusa: +90%   sometimes sure
(02:14 PM) elly_34: nice jimbo
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(02:14 PM) ppusa: out of the 24, 7 were two's
(02:14 PM) elly_34: u scale out sometimes?
(02:15 PM) ppusa: occasionally
(02:15 PM) Daniel X: big move a comin
(02:15 PM) jimbo_320: still in a long which could be the 1st loser :-)
(02:15 PM) wayne_53: JImbo....were all 3 trades shorts?
(02:15 PM) Daniel X: no volume
(02:15 PM) elly_34: well still %wise that is great record
(02:15 PM) ppusa: mostly i sit here with the tick chart and play extremes
(02:15 PM) ppusa: except try to catch the HOD and LOD
(02:16 PM) ppusa: best trades are HOD and LOD
(02:16 PM) Daniel X: couldn't hold my 1199 short
(02:16 PM) ppusa: the rest is nonsense
(02:17 PM) jimbo_320: y, best one +5
(02:17 PM) ppusa: unleaded gas took huge hit, probably bottomed today
(02:17 PM) Daniel X: Rolaids good long
(02:18 PM) ppusa: i should have told everyone to buy unleaded because at today's price what you would lose in the trade, you would save at the station
(02:18 PM) ppusa: was win / win either way
(02:18 PM) jimbo_320: mostly of 5min chart using 1min for entry
(02:19 PM) Daniel X: going back and forth  killing everyone in this for scalps
(02:19 PM) jimbo_320: we generously go at 1p cut of gasoline, it goes down what 10 bucks a barrel, and we get a lousy 1p, waste of time
(02:20 PM) jimbo_320: get a 1p
(02:21 PM) AL-mo3ta9em: hi all
(02:21 PM) AL-mo3ta9em: is ther any 1 talking 
(02:22 PM) Daniel X: going to get the 65 to 70s stops now
(02:22 PM) jimbo_320: sold half for +1.5
(02:22 PM) wayne_53: no
(02:22 PM) jimbo_320: elly scaling is a great way to trade, make more trade into winners, is a great confidence boost
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(02:23 PM) jimbo_320: dow looking uppity
(02:23 PM) ppusa: still early
(02:24 PM) ppusa: lots of time for another low
(02:24 PM) Daniel X: theres just nobody trading
(02:24 PM) ppusa: we should all stilll be short from this morning
(02:24 PM) Daniel X: clean out  the shorts now
(02:25 PM) jimbo_320: pp is your low scalping based on lots of retests during the chop?
(02:25 PM) ppusa: yes and no...mostly just play the extremes
(02:26 PM) Daniel X: 54 will clean out a few
(02:26 PM) ppusa: because it is late in the day and range is in more likely bounces
(02:26 PM) ppusa: try it early and get killed
(02:27 PM) ann_87: minus 442 ticks
(02:27 PM) jimbo_320: so do you buy the last low? ie 54.5
(02:27 PM) ppusa: common sense within expectations of daily range
(02:27 PM) ppusa: yes as long as there is no big#%$ flag that will accelerate
(02:28 PM) rich012: NQ shorts need the 1005 on the ES to get busted
(02:28 PM) Daniel X: 70 point range.not bad
(02:28 PM) ppusa: lots of down hours now, chance of acceleration not good
(02:28 PM) ppusa: however if bounce first nono
(02:29 PM) Daniel X: 1140 still looking good
(02:32 PM) Daniel X: can we get a 100 point rumor up spike plz
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(02:33 PM) Daniel X: this is where rally started yesterday 14:30
(02:33 PM) Daniel X: like it matters
(02:35 PM) Daniel X: PPUSA bid 5000 @ 1200 for me...see if they take it.
(02:35 PM) jimbo_320: es is consolidating at bottom of uptrend line
(02:35 PM) rich012: ES playing stubborn
(02:36 PM) rich012: Will be very negative if ES breaks 1005 unless it snaps back quickly.
(02:37 PM) ppusa: jimbo one point about playing extremes, i try not to buy double bottoms...When there is a break, resistance then becomes bottom of break....So must let the break runand then buy and ride long to bottom of break. Of course double bottoms, tops do form but not relevant here.
(02:37 PM) ppusa: This is true for all time frames
(02:37 PM) Daniel X: not going short ..i never do from 14:20 to 14:40
(02:38 PM) ppusa: And yes, sometimes resistance is closer to the top of the previous break
(02:39 PM) ppusa: Also true for covering shorts, etc
(02:39 PM) Daniel X: is it 9:30 yet are we open?
(02:40 PM) ppusa: go back to sleep
(02:42 PM) Daniel X: run stops run..see stops run...stops run stops
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(02:42 PM) elly_34: i don't know how to read a tick chart
(02:42 PM) ppusa: new break
(02:43 PM) ppusa: maybe have one more trade in me
(02:43 PM) ann_87: gap fill 44 or 38.50
(02:43 PM) ppusa: here is first bounce, never buy first bounce
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(02:44 PM) wayne_53: ppusa.....what time frame are you trading off
(02:44 PM) ppusa: 30 tick and one minute
(02:45 PM) wayne_53: ty
(02:45 PM) ppusa: first bounce one minute
(02:45 PM) ppusa: see bounce come up to below break
(02:46 PM) Daniel X: yes break palyers cover
(02:46 PM) Daniel X: some of them
(02:46 PM) ppusa: double bottom now 1 min
(02:46 PM) rich012: 1005 still waiting to be busted
(02:47 PM) ppusa: waiting for further down
(02:47 PM) jimbo_320: why is no one selling es, trin high, tick low, dow clunking, i cant understand it
(02:47 PM) ppusa: maybe a little more up first
(02:47 PM) ppusa: suck someone in
(02:47 PM) Daniel X: rotation
(02:47 PM) Daniel X: ?
(02:48 PM) SOWSEEDS: $NDX looking to fill gap down to 1126?
(02:48 PM) rich012: darn it jimbo, jump in and sell it then!!
(02:48 PM) ppusa: the infidels would look at this and go mist buy, holding low
(02:48 PM) ppusa: must
(02:49 PM) BrainStorm: ppusa any reading you would recommend on the use of tick charts?
(02:49 PM) jimbo_320: volume is poor mind
(02:49 PM) Daniel X: NQ lousy vol
(02:49 PM) ppusa: next thing you know new low
(02:49 PM) jimbo_320: already did rich
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(02:50 PM) ppusa: start looking for buy signals like 2B
(02:50 PM) wayne_53: not now
(02:50 PM) jimbo_320: dow is testing lod
(02:51 PM) ppusa: look at hour chart, looks like high of this hour is in so rivets me to my chair
(02:51 PM) ppusa: finger is ready to pull buy trigger, can't help myself
(02:51 PM) Daniel X: 3 oclock reversal  careful
(02:52 PM) ppusa: i grab my finger with the other hand
(02:52 PM) ppusa: sure enough, turns down again
(02:52 PM) ppusa: anxiety overwhelms me 
(02:52 PM) jimbo_320: dont buy, there is more potential downside, break this 2B and we can make quids
(02:52 PM) ppusa: start counting 1-2-where is my 3?
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(02:53 PM) wayne_53: what do we need on 2b 1006.25 on ES?
(02:53 PM) ppusa: throw furniture and start swearing WHERE IS MY DARN 3!!!
(02:54 PM) rich012: DAngerous on that ES....just barely broke 1005 and now attmepting snap back.
(02:54 PM) jimbo_320: out 1/2 +1.25 darn
(02:56 PM) rich012: Needs to go below 1005 again
(02:56 PM) ppusa: start counting the down bars on 5 min and 15 min
(02:56 PM) ppusa: wham i am in
(02:57 PM) rich012: NQ or ES?
(02:57 PM) ann_87: es 2b 
(02:57 PM) ann_87: ?
(02:57 PM) ppusa: quick look at PnF and i feel good
(02:57 PM) ann_87: es
(02:57 PM) ppusa: nq 
(02:57 PM) rich012: ok
(02:58 PM) ppusa: hanging up at ma
(02:58 PM) jimbo_320: 1007 is neckline retracement
(02:59 PM) ppusa: still no 3 and no spike so not the best setup i've seen
(02:59 PM) Daniel X: tears in my eyes
(02:59 PM) elly_34: ensign is dead here
(02:59 PM) Daniel X: too much yawning
(03:00 PM) ppusa: entertaining?
(03:00 PM) rich012: dead here too
(03:00 PM) Daniel X: ADX 40
(03:01 PM) ppusa: out
(03:02 PM) sunny_850: ppusa, what chart has no 
(03:02 PM) ppusa: 15 minute chart got higher high
(03:02 PM) ab_18: adx adjusted for vol or close
(03:02 PM) ppusa: okay so that's what i do for my scalps
(03:02 PM) ppusa: looks good long
(03:02 PM) jimbo_320: out the rest
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(03:03 PM) ppusa: should run a stop but to stupid
(03:03 PM) dave_b_quik: eSignal down here
(03:03 PM) ppusa: sunny what?
(03:03 PM) Daniel X: 40 points in an hour possible?
(03:04 PM) sunny_850: what chart were you sayng had no 3 
(03:04 PM) ab_18: 1018 es if it goes
(03:04 PM) Daniel X: i don't know y u don't PPUSA
(03:04 PM) ppusa: 1159 high of hour
(03:04 PM) Daniel X: good entries ..no trade management
(03:04 PM) ppusa: 1 minute nq chart
(03:04 PM) boomer_98: anyone think the setp24 gap is going to get filled here?
(03:04 PM) ppusa: but i see one now
(03:04 PM) sunny_850: tks
(03:04 PM) ppusa: the very last low was the three
(03:05 PM) wayne_53: esignal down here too
(03:05 PM) ppusa: elliott wave type of counting
(03:05 PM) elly_34: esignal down here
(03:05 PM) ppusa: after the first bounce
(03:05 PM) raz_62: esig fine here
(03:05 PM) ppusa: did you all like that???
(03:06 PM) dave_b_quik: oh, well, i'm off to make a pu @ school
(03:06 PM) Daniel X: yes daddy
(03:06 PM) Daniel X: very much plz plz do it again!!
(03:06 PM) wayne_53: esignal back on here now Dave.....you
(03:07 PM) ppusa: i know you are all thinking that SOB nailed the @^#^# low...but just remember this is a "G" rated room
(03:07 PM) elly_34: mine is down
(03:08 PM) wayne_53: it's off and on with me on esignal
(03:08 PM) ppusa: it actually helps me to do that because i have to think of everything i am suppose to look at
(03:08 PM) elly_34: does esignal have a way to change servers like qcharts?
(03:09 PM) jimbo_320: es still stuck in this damn range
(03:10 PM) ppusa: thinking markets will sell off again tomorrow and not real enthusiastic about going long regardless
(03:10 PM) wayne_53: what's ES at now
(03:10 PM) Daniel X: yes they will...cycle lows a  vg chance of breaking down
(03:10 PM) jimbo_320: 8.25
(03:11 PM) wayne_53: thnx  I'm long from 6.75
(03:11 PM) jimbo_320: volatility has left the market from a while
(03:11 PM) wayne_53: but now data
(03:11 PM) wayne_53: but no data
(03:11 PM) wayne_53: maybe I'd better call this one in
(03:12 PM) BrainStorm: ppusa with those quick scalps do you close immediately if you get a tick against you ?
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(03:13 PM) BrainStorm: not that it sounds like you often do ;-)
(03:13 PM) jimbo_320: your charts down?
(03:13 PM) ppusa: depends on what i am looking for.
(03:13 PM) Daniel X: it feels like this room alone is moving the market..all 50 of our combined contracts
(03:14 PM) ppusa: i try not to enter a trade i wouldn't be prepared to hold
(03:14 PM) Daniel X: ORP u still short?
(03:14 PM) BrainStorm: I'm sure some of the larger equity rooms cause little runs when they pike up stuff
(03:14 PM) ppusa: that last trade my PnF charts said minimum bounce was due
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(03:14 PM) ppusa: minimum bounce 6 ticks
(03:15 PM) Daniel X: i've never seen it this dead at this time!
(03:15 PM) ppusa: but with the trend going down, why bother with a trade like that
(03:15 PM) wayne_53: Iraqui's found at Air Force base in England underneath a plane   5 were arrested
(03:15 PM) BrainStorm: You use P&F on 1 minute ?
(03:15 PM) ppusa: really have to ask yourself if itis worth it
(03:16 PM) ppusa: yes
(03:16 PM) BrainStorm: yes indeed I tend to play much to small moves
(03:16 PM) ppusa: 3,4,6,10,15,16,22.5,25,30,50,75,125 and 200 tick
(03:16 PM) laniermasters: Wayne, what news source?
(03:16 PM) wayne_53: from cnbc
(03:16 PM) Daniel X: yah and all for scalps
(03:16 PM) laniermasters: thanks, my sounds off...
(03:17 PM) BrainStorm: what ize box and reverse if you dont mind all the questions
(03:17 PM) ppusa: doesn't matter
(03:18 PM) ppusa: obviously 3 is 1x3 four is 1x4...16 anyway you want it
(03:19 PM) Daniel X: we fell 10 points an hour...   very hard to trade grind with 5 point stops
(03:20 PM) ab_18: is this the 3
(03:21 PM) ab_18: your are looking for
(03:21 PM) ppusa: My real thinking on this last trade is it was a no brainer. The real point is not to make $6.68 but to look for the setups when trying to pick a HOD or LOD and thensit on a big one
(03:21 PM) sunny_850: looks like the es want to clunk
(03:21 PM) ppusa: ab are you talking to me?
(03:22 PM) ab_18: self
(03:22 PM) ab_18: y and mysely
(03:22 PM) ppusa: the 3 was the low of the last bar
(03:22 PM) ppusa: 1 min chart
(03:22 PM) ppusa: for that trade only
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(03:23 PM) ab_18: 1150?
(03:23 PM) elly_34: esignal live rep said having problems
(03:23 PM) ppusa: the 2-3 was in the last 2 bars before the rally
(03:23 PM) ppusa: yes
(03:24 PM) ppusa: 1153 was the 2 and 1150 was the 3
(03:24 PM) Daniel X: think i should cancel my 60 limit buy.
(03:24 PM) Daniel X: nah not yet
(03:24 PM) Daniel X: let see how many holders won't want to tonight
(03:25 PM) ppusa: notice i said the high for the hour was in and it riveted me to my chair?
(03:25 PM) ppusa: well after the bounce, we just made this new low
(03:26 PM) ppusa: i try to look at all that stuff and put it together and sometimes if i am tired, i go brain dead
(03:26 PM) Daniel X: pull up a 1 min ..been doing it all day..like i said sell every bounce witha 5 point stop was the strategy..but did i do it ? nnnoooooo
(03:26 PM) BrainStorm: I got a 3 on the doji bar at 1151 and would have got wiggled out 2 bars later
(03:27 PM) ppusa: you did say that
(03:27 PM) Daniel X: wasting time moving buy stop down with every move
(03:27 PM) ppusa: and that was the "smart trade all day"
(03:27 PM) Daniel X: smack...idiot
(03:27 PM) ppusa: the rest of this is bs
(03:28 PM) ppusa: but apply it to the short entries
(03:29 PM) ppusa: don't short a double top, look at a hour chart, wait for a spike, etc
(03:29 PM) ppusa: use within the trend
(03:29 PM) Daniel X: that was my old style..was only able to scalp..trying to Retrolize my  style
(03:30 PM) BrainStorm: Worthwhile daniel a 15 min entry would have served well today
(03:30 PM) ppusa: now the hour bar length is such that the recent low could have been bought. It was less of a spike but hour bar said okay
(03:31 PM) ppusa: now new hour
(03:31 PM) ppusa: last 2 hour bars were 10 ticks
(03:32 PM) ppusa: look for new low around 1143
(03:32 PM) ppusa: or high 1156
(03:32 PM) ppusa: wait high +1159 for up hour
(03:32 PM) jimbo_320: this chop is doing me head in
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(03:33 PM) ppusa: secret chart high (last 3 hours) 1164.5
(03:39 PM) rich012: c'mon, let's see ES below 1005 again
(03:39 PM) rich012: tis is one slow market for the last hour of trading.  Isn't tomorrow a Jewish holiday?
(03:40 PM) ppusa: Yom Kipour?
(03:41 PM) ppusa: heard Heraldo say he would be at Synagogue, "come and get me" to binny
(03:42 PM) Daniel X: holy pricoli...break already
(03:42 PM) Daniel X: think i should cancell my limit 60 buy yet?
(03:43 PM) rich012: Yes, Yom Kippur according to a web site I found.  Important day, I think.
(03:43 PM) raz_62: leave it till christmas
(03:43 PM) raz_62: might get hit
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(03:45 PM) SOWSEEDS: old adage says sell feast of tabernacles ( rosh hoshanna) 9/18 and but day of atonement ( yom kippur) 9/27
(03:46 PM) SOWSEEDS: should be buy day of atonement
(03:47 PM) rich012: sowseeds, you serious?  Might be a good call.
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(03:53 PM) ppusa: scalp 51.5 to 54
(03:54 PM) ppusa: US gave 43 million to Taliban government for change in drug policy
(03:55 PM) ppusa: not sure of the actual figure
(03:55 PM) ppusa: wasn't listening
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(03:56 PM) ppusa: anyone here?
(03:56 PM) ppusa: bored to sleep?
(03:56 PM) raz_62: yep
(03:56 PM) ppusa: can't believe S&P hasn't broken
(03:57 PM) raz_62: wonder ing how you scalped to 54
(03:57 PM) ppusa: blindly
(03:58 PM) raz_62: lol
(03:58 PM) ppusa: the whole setup or the 54 sell?
(03:59 PM) raz_62: high was 53.5
(03:59 PM) raz_62: on my chart
(04:00 PM) raz_62: which i have no faith in
(04:02 PM) raz_62: just the sale
(04:02 PM) ppusa: 47.5 = 48 + 6 = 54   lucked out on fill
(04:02 PM) raz_62: you talking about the one you explained
(04:02 PM) ppusa: was about to lower it when the fill executed
(04:02 PM) ppusa: oh i show 54
(04:03 PM) ppusa: 12:54 PST high 54
(04:03 PM) ppusa: DTN?
(04:03 PM) ppusa: who is your data probider?
(04:03 PM) rich012: Yeah, ES doesn't break but the NQ looks miserable.  Which will lead tomorrow?
(04:04 PM) Daniel X: cancelled my 60 limit buy
(04:04 PM) Daniel X: ha
(04:04 PM) raz_62: k
(04:04 PM) ppusa: no since then
(04:04 PM) ppusa: just did another
(04:04 PM) raz_62: just curious
(04:04 PM) raz_62: esig
(04:04 PM) raz_62: no problem
(04:04 PM) Tom_B:  esingg
(04:04 PM) ppusa: short covering
(04:04 PM) ppusa: es?
(04:05 PM) ppusa: raz high was 54, quick hit but hit 54
(04:05 PM) ppusa: got fill to prove it
(04:05 PM) ppusa: lucked out on execution
(04:06 PM) raz_62: you sound as if you have been doing this a while ppusa
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(04:06 PM) raz_62: not even necessary i believe you if you say it
(04:06 PM) ppusa: that doesn't change the fact that i was lucky on 54
(04:06 PM) ppusa: very quick hit
(04:07 PM) ppusa: and i happened to have the orderin
(04:07 PM) raz_62: should have had 64 huh
(04:07 PM) raz_62: bummer
(04:07 PM) ppusa: hey guys remember secret chart high 64.5....well nq just hit 64
(04:08 PM) Daniel X: cancelled my 60 1 min before  
(04:08 PM) ppusa: yesterday's low 65 so the pop to 64 expected at some point
(04:08 PM) raz_62: oh that was for last 3 hours of day
(04:09 PM) ppusa: raz i should have bot the pullback after i got out
(04:09 PM) raz_62: pretty slick
(04:09 PM) ppusa: then sold 64
(04:09 PM) ppusa: one thing i have seen whenever you get a lucky fill like i did, usually means go through later
(04:10 PM) raz_62: that would have been better huh
(04:10 PM) ppusa: never give you anything
(04:10 PM) ppusa: i know it's electronic but still suspicious
(04:11 PM) raz_62: very
(04:11 PM) raz_62: electronoic can be manipulated
(04:11 PM) raz_62: i suspect
(04:11 PM) ppusa: Dan what were you trying to buy at 60?
(04:11 PM) raz_62: hope he cancelled it
(04:12 PM) Daniel X: yes
(04:12 PM) ppusa: this could be fakey tomorrow straight up
(04:12 PM) raz_62: if not you would be sick now
(04:12 PM) Daniel X: they came after me!
(04:12 PM) ppusa: es?
(04:12 PM) ppusa: yes but what wasit?
(04:13 PM) ppusa: were you trying to sell nq at 60?
(04:13 PM) Daniel X: got filled  only 1753 of my 5000 contracts
(04:13 PM) Daniel X: limit buy
(04:13 PM) Daniel X: wanted to play the short cover 
(04:13 PM) ppusa: but nq was below 60?
(04:13 PM) raz_62: think he was expecting a rally
(04:14 PM) Daniel X: low likely hood of a fill but if there was going to be a short cover.....
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(04:15 PM) ppusa: completely lost here
(04:15 PM) ppusa: so you were long trying to sell at 60
(04:15 PM) raz_62: he was flat trying to buy
(04:16 PM) Daniel X: cancelled
(04:16 PM) raz_62: i think
(04:16 PM) Daniel X: right
(04:16 PM) Daniel X: i had an order for a long @ 60
(04:16 PM) ppusa: on a buy stop?
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(04:16 PM) steve-susko: Dan, you trade the e Nasdaq 100 contracts?
(04:16 PM) Daniel X: yes
(04:16 PM) Daniel X: no e mini
(04:16 PM) ppusa: oh
(04:16 PM) ppusa: hour high
(04:17 PM) SOWSEEDS: i trade nqz1. is it all right to talk about these?? even though site is e mini?
(04:17 PM) Daniel X: it was the previous 15 min bar long signal but i did not move it down to the last one in case of the fake and canceeles 1 min before the spike after the shorts did not cover
(04:17 PM) ppusa: anyway, i am out of here. Dow and S&P held nicely .see tomorrow
(04:17 PM) raz_62: what was the secret chart 64 stuff
(04:17 PM) Daniel X: later
(04:18 PM) raz_62: bye
(04:18 PM) ppusa: something happened to NDX by the way
(04:18 PM) ppusa: 30 point pop at close
(04:18 PM) raz_62: wow
(04:18 PM) rich012: sow, nq is an emini...so speak right up.
(04:19 PM) ppusa: bye all
(04:19 PM) raz_62: cya
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(04:34 PM) Mario73: Hello - some esignal user in here?
(04:36 PM) Mario73: thank you
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