Welcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders and TrendVUE.com alumni. Today's charts at www.DaCharts.com WARNING: Any trades posted here are for educational purposes only. Don't take the trades unless you understand them and can take the risk. Paltalk: ==================================================== Get 12 FREE CDs! Click for Details, CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! ==================================================== Paltalk: Press the INVITE button NOW! Get your friends in on the fun! Invite them to join us on PalTalk today! Paltalk: ==================================================== Get 4 DVDs for 49¢ each plush s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ¢ EACH! ==================================================== (08:49 AM) klonerdoug: any best users here? (08:49 AM) Daniel X: yes y? (08:49 AM) Daniel X: lol (08:49 AM) klonerdoug: hey dan ... nay trouble connecting this am? (08:49 AM) klonerdoug: any (08:50 AM) klonerdoug: i'm in now (08:50 AM) Daniel X: yes (08:50 AM) klonerdoug: but wanted 1193 short and missed cus of connection issues (08:50 AM) Daniel X: account balance was wrong (08:50 AM) klonerdoug: right now? (08:51 AM) Daniel X: was on phone with them throughout the night (08:51 AM) klonerdoug: yeah they blew up yd around 3 pm (08:51 AM) Daniel X: was open short @ 1203 (08:51 AM) klonerdoug: whopss sorry for use of words (08:52 AM) klonerdoug: very sorry there poor choice of words (08:52 AM) Tom_B: Daniel, u flat now ? (08:52 AM) Daniel X: np (08:52 AM) Daniel X: yeah thank goodness (08:52 AM) Tom_B: gift for u ? (08:52 AM) klonerdoug: yeah i was open long from 67 (08:52 AM) Daniel X: around 4 am iwanted to cover @ 1177 (08:52 AM) klonerdoug: got lucky (08:53 AM) klonerdoug: i see it (08:53 AM) Daniel X: but they bit the mistake (08:53 AM) klonerdoug: couldn't? (08:53 AM) Daniel X: no it was a double punch (08:53 AM) klonerdoug: well so far executions have been good (08:53 AM) Tom_B: their miistake, but they didn't bust the trade ? Paltalk: ==================================================== Get your FREE credit report @ ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! ==================================================== (08:54 AM) klonerdoug: but had to offset trade at ib (08:54 AM) Tom_B: was it ur short or theirs ? (08:54 AM) Tom_B: Daniel ? (08:54 AM) Daniel X: was long 3 @ 1180 tried to cover 1185.50 rejected servers went down so i was given a gift when i covered @ 1203 but who ever did the order covered 6 contracts (08:55 AM) Tom_B: then u cvrd short this am ? (08:55 AM) Daniel X: no (08:55 AM) Tom_B: ? (08:55 AM) klonerdoug: u trade often overnight dan? (08:55 AM) Tom_B: still shrt ? (08:55 AM) Daniel X: this morning they took it and pocketed it in the error account (08:56 AM) Tom_B: ah yes, th e"error" acct..only used whn it goes their way... (08:56 AM) Daniel X: sexactly (08:56 AM) klonerdoug: seems like they might need all they can getin that error account (08:57 AM) Daniel X: when i saw 1177 @ 4 am ..i said wow another gift!!! (08:57 AM) klonerdoug: well they cost me 20 points today (08:57 AM) klonerdoug: oh well (08:57 AM) Daniel X: doug B server? (08:57 AM) klonerdoug: yeah (08:58 AM) Daniel X: they had to reset it thats y my account was showing previous days balance (08:58 AM) Daniel X: so because of me u missed it!!LOL (08:58 AM) klonerdoug: no no (08:58 AM) klonerdoug: that's the way this biz is ... no prob what so ever (08:59 AM) Daniel X: was a miss not a loss right? (08:59 AM) klonerdoug: y (08:59 AM) Daniel X: oh ok (08:59 AM) klonerdoug: i just hope they have their act together today (08:59 AM) Tom_B: funny , seem to miss the wins, get the losses whn this stuff happens..I had a buy rejected at 74.5 (08:59 AM) klonerdoug: so far i see this as gap down and fill ... (09:00 AM) klonerdoug: any comments? (09:00 AM) Daniel X: yeah Tom funny huh?! (09:00 AM) Tom_B: grrr (09:00 AM) klonerdoug: that was 74.5 this am tom? (09:00 AM) Tom_B: yest (09:00 AM) Daniel X: well Dow Futures are down again (09:00 AM) klonerdoug: in that 3 pm push aye (09:01 AM) Tom_B: y (09:01 AM) klonerdoug: bummer (09:01 AM) Tom_B: long (09:01 AM) Tom_B: really (09:01 AM) Tom_B: today is another oppy'y (09:01 AM) klonerdoug: well i just report this stuff so we all know the deal (09:02 AM) Tom_B: part of the business, never a "good" time for it though (09:02 AM) klonerdoug: i still have ib and prob will use them today (09:02 AM) dave_b_quik: doug, was that on IB or BEST? (09:02 AM) Daniel X: Dow already -148 (09:02 AM) klonerdoug: best (09:02 AM) Tom_B: Best (09:02 AM) Daniel X: back in 15 mins everyone (09:02 AM) david h_2: dave did you have a trading plan chat last night? (09:02 AM) klonerdoug: used ib to offset the trade when i couldn't get flat when i wanted (09:03 AM) klonerdoug: but missed good one today cus of their problems (09:03 AM) dave_b_quik: buffy and orprepus had an impromptu session last night very late (09:03 AM) GGriz: was IB having any fill problems last couple of days anyone?? (09:03 AM) Tom_B: David b Q, whn is the mmgt chat going to be..., any ideas yet ? (09:04 AM) klonerdoug: not for me ... but i here quotes were shaky (09:04 AM) dave_b_quik: i had a problem with my fill report at IB yesterday, but they had it right at their end (09:04 AM) klonerdoug: hear Paltalk: ==================================================== Britney,Dido,Outkast,+ MORE! 12 CDs Free + s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! ==================================================== (09:04 AM) dave_b_quik: i think my problem was because i traded from 2 different computers because of a connection problem (09:05 AM) dave_b_quik: for a while it looked like a 32 point trade got lost, but IB had it right in the end Paltalk: You DO have a choice! Buy bannerless to end your popup blues today! Click OPTIONS on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. Only $9.95 a year! That's less than THREE CENTS per day! WOW!!! (09:07 AM) klonerdoug: good for u dbq (09:07 AM) dave_b_quik: i gotta hand it to IB, i've done close to 500 round trips with them and they've never screwed up once (09:08 AM) dave_b_quik: i've only had to call the 3 time for clarification (09:09 AM) klonerdoug: sweet (09:09 AM) tomsurf: dave- that is a good track record (09:09 AM) klonerdoug: almost longed that 1180 for scalp (09:09 AM) david h_2: dave is there a 430 chat today? (09:09 AM) dave_b_quik: and I always get my statement the same day (09:10 AM) klonerdoug: but trying to grab that bottom yd i blew somecash (09:10 AM) dave_b_quik: not oficially, dave, unless you want to get something going (09:10 AM) Tom_B: Prez spks tonite 9pm est, just fyi (09:10 AM) david h_2: i think its on your web site mm today 430 (09:11 AM) Tom_B: Hve email frm Best this am saying keep track of ur positions..:( (09:11 AM) Buffy_04364: mornign team (09:12 AM) dave_b_quik: not a bad idea anyway, tom (09:12 AM) david h_2: tom who is you broker? (09:12 AM) Buffy_04364: so Daniel you all set now? (09:12 AM) dave_b_quik: morning buffy, you guys were jamming 'til late last night! (09:12 AM) Buffy_04364: LOL (09:12 AM) Buffy_04364: yep and I am late this morning but it was worth it (09:12 AM) GGriz: Buffy, is the crash ver fixed yet? (09:12 AM) rich012: Does Mike Bruns no longer do the teaching routine with trendvue? (09:12 AM) Buffy_04364: will be this after plus other good things (09:13 AM) Tom_B: always do, but they are talking abt positin refernce might not be wrkng (09:13 AM) tomsurf: rich- yes, this was his last week (09:13 AM) Buffy_04364: Howard brainstormed last night with us and I feel he came up with a very workable solution (09:13 AM) GGriz: ok, cause I haven't been allowing the updates to run (09:14 AM) Buffy_04364: If all goes well with Kimbal testing it today, it will be up this afternoon (09:14 AM) GGriz: great thanks Paltalk: ==================================================== Get 4 DVDs for 49¢ each plus s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ¢ EACH! ==================================================== (09:16 AM) rich012: tomsurf, tx (09:16 AM) klonerdoug: anyone have any downside targets for gap extension ? (09:16 AM) Orprepus: yahoo! (09:17 AM) Buffy_04364: charts are going to have their "private" file in addition the workspace remembering how the chart was their (09:17 AM) Orprepus: double yahooo and a yepeee!! (09:17 AM) Buffy_04364: yes it was great he brainstormed (09:17 AM) Orprepus: no more swimming head for me (09:17 AM) Buffy_04364: LOL (09:18 AM) Buffy_04364: just as I totally understood it too :-) (09:18 AM) Orprepus: tired of trying to figure out why I have roger's and your settings (09:18 AM) Buffy_04364: is daniel all set with his position this morning due to the error? (09:18 AM) Orprepus: redid all my charts last night (09:19 AM) Buffy_04364: still might have to clean it up (09:19 AM) Buffy_04364: oh so they are all gone now (09:19 AM) Orprepus: yes (09:19 AM) Orprepus: only orp charts now (09:19 AM) Orprepus: sorry (09:19 AM) Buffy_04364: I posted one last night for Howard to look at - got to see the gremlin add template 1 to the prem chart when it wasn't even in focus (09:20 AM) Buffy_04364: 30T was (09:20 AM) Buffy_04364: glad only orp charts now (09:20 AM) Buffy_04364: :-) (09:20 AM) Buffy_04364: Roger still has me LOL (09:20 AM) Orprepus: yes I saw that - that what was happening to me (09:20 AM) Orprepus: during trading yesterday (09:21 AM) Buffy_04364: but the comfusion is template 1 was resaved in this workspace so it should of known where it belonged (09:21 AM) Buffy_04364: guess housing report wasn't good (09:21 AM) Buffy_04364: and we have some report out at noon (09:22 AM) Orprepus: template memory is independent of workspace - remember (09:22 AM) Orprepus: I think?? (09:23 AM) Buffy_04364: true it is (09:23 AM) Buffy_04364: will keep giving Howard more clues - at least he is thinking about it now (09:24 AM) Buffy_04364: wonder if 1178 area going to hold Paltalk: ==================================================== Credit report online. Always private, always secure, get yours FREE from ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! ==================================================== (09:26 AM) Buffy_04364: held earlier this morning I see (09:27 AM) klonerdoug: well i think it will test 1178 just not sure what lies underneath (09:27 AM) ppusa: looks like they may spike the low and then ? (09:28 AM) ppusa: who knows (09:28 AM) tomsurf: Pivot trivia for today's NQ - s2=1310 s1=1259 Pvt is 1201 r1= 1150 r2= 1092 (09:29 AM) ppusa: Tom are those numbers right? (09:30 AM) Buffy_04364: tom shouldn't the s and r be reversed? (09:30 AM) tomsurf: pp- from Alaron (09:30 AM) tomsurf: Buffy opps, right ;-) (09:32 AM) Daniel X: Buffy ;-) (09:34 AM) ppusa: I would like to see a low put in early and then start higher (09:34 AM) Daniel X: thnx for those Tomsurf mine are way out of wack! Paltalk: ==================================================== Get 12 FREE CDs! Click for Details, CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! ==================================================== (09:34 AM) ppusa: catch a retrp buy signal (09:34 AM) ppusa: maybe inside day (09:35 AM) dave_b_quik: must be due for a rest soon (09:35 AM) tomsurf: ya- yesterdays ranges were 65ES and 125NQ, lol (09:36 AM) ppusa: broke out yesterday from 61 area Paltalk: To visit our sponsors, click on banners! (09:37 AM) Daniel X: Dow - 170 long hhmmmm (09:39 AM) ppusa: broke 200 ma all charts up tp 5 minutes (09:40 AM) ppusa: Dan are you long yet based on 9/3? (09:40 AM) jimbo_320: good morning (09:40 AM) Gorillatrader: we long on 9/3min (09:41 AM) Daniel X: yes @95 (09:41 AM) jimbo_320: some sneaky overnight selling (09:41 AM) Daniel X: out +2 (09:42 AM) Daniel X: fills are tsure taking long on best anyone else? (09:42 AM) dave_b_quik: ya, IB too (09:43 AM) Daniel X: hmmm Retro long looks interesting (09:43 AM) jimbo_320: get the overnight low in before the rally (09:43 AM) dave_b_quik: my trailing sell stop was hit about 5 times and didn't execute (09:44 AM) Daniel X: ouch (09:44 AM) dave_b_quik: might be GLOBEX problems if BEST and IB both (09:44 AM) Daniel X: thinking about staying out Paltalk: ==================================================== Get 4 DVDs for 49¢ each plush s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ¢ EACH! ==================================================== (09:44 AM) klonerdoug: same here .. tried 1181 long when tick naz reveresed and no fill (09:45 AM) klonerdoug: not happy (09:45 AM) dave_b_quik: OK, i moved it up and got out at a better price :-) (09:45 AM) Daniel X: ha good! (09:46 AM) Buffy_04364: may that always be the case dave (09:46 AM) klonerdoug: what was ur entry dbq? (09:46 AM) jimbo_320: is there any news today? (09:46 AM) Buffy_04364: plse keep posted on how it is going (09:46 AM) dave_b_quik: bot 1m 2 (09:46 AM) Buffy_04364: hi jimbo (09:46 AM) Buffy_04364: news on what (09:46 AM) Buffy_04364: greenspan suggested waiting two weeks for market to settle before doing an economic pkg (09:47 AM) Buffy_04364: or it came out of that meeting (09:47 AM) dave_b_quik: bot NQ 1m 2B @1185.50, trailing stop was hit at 1194 and didn't execute, moved it up to 1197 and it worked there (09:47 AM) Buffy_04364: anyone do a market order yet to see how those are going? (09:48 AM) Daniel X: took long (09:48 AM) Daniel X: for fill (09:48 AM) tomsurf: did one on ES thru IB...no prop (09:48 AM) jimbo_320: is IB having problems? (09:48 AM) Buffy_04364: k (09:48 AM) tomsurf: IB fine here (09:48 AM) Buffy_04364: some having probs with both ib and best (09:48 AM) klonerdoug: best up (09:48 AM) Buffy_04364: so might be with globex (09:49 AM) Daniel X: yep (09:49 AM) Daniel X: has to (09:49 AM) dave_b_quik: IB didn't execute my trailing stop even tho it was hit real good, but it seems to be working now (and i got a couple extra points so i'm happy) (09:49 AM) Daniel X: gotta keep an eye on the Dow (09:51 AM) dave_b_quik: IB market orders quick (09:51 AM) jimbo_320: they always are (09:51 AM) Daniel X: hey all hasn't it bemna while since we've had a chop day? (09:51 AM) klonerdoug: 91 s (09:52 AM) klonerdoug: from last retrace (09:52 AM) jimbo_320: Dan just what i was thinking (09:52 AM) Daniel X: short against trend? (09:52 AM) klonerdoug: watchin es for feel (09:52 AM) Daniel X: Jimbo ;-) (09:52 AM) Daniel X: oh ok (09:53 AM) jimbo_320: 1200, 1000 is a nice round numbers for a consolidation (09:53 AM) Daniel X: hey hey (09:54 AM) ppusa: broke up from 88 retraced to that point (09:54 AM) Daniel X: here comes the Retro (09:54 AM) klonerdoug: they r ... not happy with trade Paltalk: ==================================================== Get your FREE credit report @ ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! ==================================================== (09:54 AM) Daniel X: 1203.50 (09:55 AM) ppusa: went to buy and pats disconnected (09:56 AM) dave_b_quik: :-( (09:56 AM) jimbo_320: sometimes i just dont get the the trin, rises and future price rises, would of expected it around the other way (09:56 AM) Daniel X: took the Retro long we'll see (09:57 AM) Daniel X: trying not to watch (09:57 AM) Daniel X: -5 (09:57 AM) Daniel X: next (09:59 AM) Daniel X: too slow damn (09:59 AM) ppusa: futures go positive a couple ticks higher (09:59 AM) ppusa: new highs comp and ndx (10:00 AM) Daniel X: guess i wasn't invited for the ride (10:01 AM) Gorillatrader: still Long from 9/3 buy 1192.50 entry (10:02 AM) tomsurf: PA looks like a bucking bronko (10:02 AM) Gorillatrader: agree, tom (10:02 AM) dave_b_quik: LOL tom (10:03 AM) Gorillatrader: wider stops required (10:03 AM) tomsurf: ride em GT :-) (10:03 AM) ppusa: tuesday's low 29.50...Get above that and could run (10:04 AM) Buffy_04364: nice GT (10:04 AM) Daniel X: too slow to reenter @ 1203.50 Paltalk: ==================================================== Britney,Dido,Outkast,+ MORE! 12 CDs Free + s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! ==================================================== (10:05 AM) Daniel X: PPUSA HOD? (10:05 AM) Daniel X: lol (10:05 AM) Gorillatrader: bailed out 1212 (10:05 AM) ppusa: could be and if it is another down day (10:05 AM) Daniel X: gap closed (10:05 AM) Buffy_04364: :-) Paltalk: Subscribe to Paltalk Plus to stop the popups today! Get it NOW for less than THREE CENTS a day! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. (10:07 AM) klonerdoug: i really misread that ... very poor trade .. gut was gap fills and i traded opposite my instincts (10:07 AM) Daniel X: we all do it (10:07 AM) ppusa: dow down 160 points doesn't look well for today (10:08 AM) ppusa: if rally was real, dow would be + (10:08 AM) Daniel X: watching it like a hawk (10:08 AM) Daniel X: not a deer (10:08 AM) tomsurf: Dow's got no mojo so far (10:10 AM) Tom_B: shrt (10:11 AM) ppusa: sure due for a higher high daily either today ((inside day) or tomorrow (10:12 AM) Daniel X: spike plz (10:12 AM) Gorillatrader: well, my little red bars has me short (10:12 AM) Daniel X: 98? (10:12 AM) Gorillatrader: tomorrow light years away (10:13 AM) ppusa: yea yea (10:13 AM) jimbo_320: no strength here (10:13 AM) Tom_B: be here now (10:13 AM) Gorillatrader: lol, my brain can't think past 3min (10:13 AM) Buffy_04364: well that was interesting (10:13 AM) Buffy_04364: I was the ghost (10:13 AM) ppusa: i sold too but covered (10:14 AM) Buffy_04364: did anyone else lose data from esignal for a bit or is it my isp? (10:14 AM) Gorillatrader: why cover? (10:14 AM) Tom_B: ok hre (10:14 AM) Gorillatrader: esignal ok (10:14 AM) Buffy_04364: k Paltalk: ==================================================== Get 4 DVDs for 49¢ each plus s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ¢ EACH! ==================================================== (10:14 AM) dave_b_quik: esignal OK here, but yesterday i had problems in the morning (10:14 AM) Gorillatrader: no technical reason (10:14 AM) jimbo_320: retracement on the ticks today -700 from -800 Oh dear (10:15 AM) Buffy_04364: can't wait to get cable modem in here for backup (10:15 AM) dave_b_quik: you're on DSL? (10:15 AM) ppusa: poor entry (10:15 AM) Buffy_04364: adsl (10:16 AM) ppusa: what chart did you use for short signal GT? (10:16 AM) Gorillatrader: 9min (10:16 AM) Gorillatrader: 9/3 (10:16 AM) wayne_53: volatility in the ES bars is incredible. Iffy taking a trade with close stops. (10:16 AM) Gorillatrader: bar highs not violated (10:17 AM) ppusa: what price did you enter GT? (10:18 AM) Gorillatrader: volatility requires wider stops. if too much $ risk, don't play. another setup will come soon (10:18 AM) Daniel X: 94 coverd 90 (10:18 AM) wayne_53: Took long before and before my fill came up in a few seconds I was in the hole 2.25 pts. Had to exit with market and got hit for 3.25 pts (10:18 AM) Gorillatrader: 1201 on 9min, out on 3min bar high 1193 (10:19 AM) wayne_53: time to sit back and wait for things to settle down a bit (10:19 AM) larrybf: guys- I amnot used to this volatility. When was the last time (date) we had action like this? (10:20 AM) Gorillatrader: before summer, most of the time (10:20 AM) ppusa: guess i don't feel so bad. i wacked 1200 for 2. The bar was so long, n signal until down 20 from high (10:20 AM) Daniel X: had to use 10 point stops (10:20 AM) Daniel X: then (10:20 AM) larrybf: really? i must have a bad memory (10:20 AM) Daniel X: even used 20 on occasion (10:21 AM) wayne_53: Dow down 200 (10:21 AM) ppusa: held low (so far) Now see if dow comes back (10:21 AM) larrybf: thanks gt for the info (10:21 AM) Gorillatrader: larry, NQ ranges typical 80 to 160 pts daily, many days travelled 300+ points from swings (10:22 AM) Daniel X: i miss the 60+ range days (10:22 AM) wayne_53: large moves aren't the problem. It's when they move up and down with wide swings within the bars (10:22 AM) Gorillatrader: if you have access to historical intraday data, everyone should study them (10:22 AM) Daniel X: have to readjust from the summer 40 ranges (10:23 AM) Tom_B: shrt (10:23 AM) Gorillatrader: agree wayne (10:23 AM) larrybf: i know that but on my candles most of my tails are bigger than the bodies. i wasnt using candles until july so this all looks new to me (10:23 AM) Gorillatrader: mice tom (10:24 AM) Gorillatrader: yep, candles new vision...like getting new glasses Paltalk: ==================================================== Credit report online. Always private, always secure, get yours FREE from ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! ==================================================== (10:25 AM) larrybf: i am new to candles. it is like info overload but i am glad for "getting glasses". little scary to look at though?!? (10:25 AM) wayne_53: I'm afraid the real move will come along and none of us will believe it (10:26 AM) larrybf: gt- any good beginner books for candles? (10:27 AM) Tom_B: if u trade ur setups you'll be there when it comes (10:27 AM) Gorillatrader: no need to "believe or not believe", Wayne...play by rules and you will be aboard any trend (10:27 AM) Gorillatrader: Tom, you beat me...lol, quicker (10:27 AM) Gorillatrader: Steve Nison..all his books (10:27 AM) Gorillatrader: ALL books (10:28 AM) wayne_53: tnx gt (10:28 AM) larrybf: thanks (10:28 AM) rich012: wayne, whose your broker? (10:29 AM) Gorillatrader: buy thru amazon,com bundles might be available (10:29 AM) wayne_53: Best (10:29 AM) skyprince_1: These pullbacks are killer... (10:30 AM) Gorillatrader: why, sky? (10:30 AM) skyprince_1: Legs shorter than yesterday (10:30 AM) Daniel X: PPUSA HOD? (10:32 AM) klonerdoug: well i lucked out today ...another -1k tick reading at that 1180 (10:32 AM) klonerdoug: so instinctive covering right there (10:32 AM) Tom_B: out b/e (10:32 AM) skyprince_1: Plus it was LOD (10:33 AM) Gorillatrader: klon, suggest don't trade by "instinct", trade by well formulated rules (10:33 AM) Daniel X: instinct might save ur a** but it will keep u out of the runneres (10:33 AM) klonerdoug: yeah ur right .. instinct was only on gap down fill that i traded against Paltalk: ==================================================== Get 12 FREE CDs! Click for Details, CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! ==================================================== (10:34 AM) Gorillatrader: if one uses protective stops correctly, no need to outguess (10:35 AM) klonerdoug: still rubbin my eyes as to why i shorted it but ok with stops and shorted it up higher (10:35 AM) Daniel X: 5 min EMAs in missionary Paltalk: Please visit our advertisers by clicking on banners. (10:36 AM) rich012: Wayne, I think everyone is having delays in Best fills. (10:36 AM) tomsurf: Daniel- LOL (10:36 AM) Daniel X: he he (10:37 AM) rich012: I have traded Best and IB, sometimes on the same day. I never found Best to be as timely as IB. (10:37 AM) klonerdoug: dow 8500 so i'm careful shortside nowq (10:37 AM) rich012: Now I just trade IB. :-) (10:37 AM) wayne_53: rich...That was probably the big part of my problem (10:37 AM) jimbo_320: out for +2 (10:37 AM) skyprince_1: A bounce off 8500 again? (10:38 AM) Buffy_04364: hi all maybe we can stay connected this time (10:38 AM) rich012: After sendind an order, my market orders are filled by IB within 2 secs. (10:38 AM) wayne_53: I've been happy with Best up til now. Fast fills and no apparent problems (10:38 AM) klonerdoug: i know it bounce yd (10:38 AM) Buffy_04364: hate calling adsl guys - they always think it is my problem - even want to send someone to check the phone line ugh (10:38 AM) Daniel X: cant say the same for me about "Best" (10:38 AM) Buffy_04364: so data all mess up (10:38 AM) jimbo_320: rich same here, limits slower (10:38 AM) tomsurf: ticks not giving any good down pushes (so far)with Dow down here (10:39 AM) Daniel X: Buffy :-( (10:39 AM) Buffy_04364: still not right - this room is putting 3 messages in at once (10:40 AM) Tom_B: shrt (10:40 AM) rich012: yep, everything was slower for me when using Best (10:40 AM) rich012: you guys who shorted using the 9/3...u still short? (10:40 AM) Buffy_04364: gee guess I missed this one (10:40 AM) Tom_B: just sold (10:40 AM) Buffy_04364: would of been but called and covered with no data (10:41 AM) Buffy_04364: -1000+on tick not good (10:41 AM) ppusa: not good for what? (10:41 AM) tomsurf: ya- ticks getting pushed down now (10:42 AM) ppusa: you mean oversold? (10:42 AM) Tom_B: chop guey (10:42 AM) rich012: buffy, you use the 3 min for determining stops then? I was short but covered for a little. Tough to stay short, imo. Wondering if others covered also. (10:42 AM) tomsurf: 8480- yesterday low on Dow (10:43 AM) Daniel X: very tough Rich (10:43 AM) Daniel X: but i am! (10:44 AM) Buffy_04364: I was using 3m for signs of trouble then shorter to get out (10:44 AM) Tom_B: ema ota Paltalk: ==================================================== Get 4 DVDs for 49¢ each plush s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ¢ EACH! ==================================================== (10:44 AM) ppusa: nq looks good here (10:45 AM) Daniel X: good for? (10:45 AM) ppusa: not a buyer just looking (10:45 AM) ppusa: if gets above 82 swing high on tick chart (10:45 AM) ppusa: just did (10:46 AM) ppusa: nice observation huh (10:46 AM) ppusa: 1190 200 ma (10:47 AM) jimbo_320: has ib turned blue for anyone? (10:47 AM) ppusa: I'll take a retro long if i get one (10:47 AM) ppusa: dow double bottom (10:47 AM) jimbo_320: Dan what are u using for es retro stops? (10:48 AM) Daniel X: no ...moving into scalp mode now though (10:48 AM) Daniel X: very choppy (10:48 AM) skyprince_1: Dow...ouch (10:48 AM) jimbo_320: what were u using (10:49 AM) Daniel X: NQ (10:49 AM) Daniel X: Retro trading (10:49 AM) Gorillatrader: DJZ01 dropped 100 pts from 10am, in 40 min (10:49 AM) jimbo_320: yesterday for retro es stop? (10:49 AM) Daniel X: yesterday was trading ES (10:50 AM) jimbo_320: what were u using for your stop size when trading retro (10:50 AM) Daniel X: stopless wacthing NQ for feel (10:50 AM) Daniel X: yesterday (10:50 AM) Buffy_04364: going to test the connection for a bit before doing anything (10:50 AM) Buffy_04364: bbl (10:50 AM) rich012: jimbo, IB ok here (10:50 AM) dave_b_quik: what does blue IB mean? Mine turns pink if I get disconnected, but OK today. (10:51 AM) skyprince_1: Blue = depressing? (10:51 AM) dave_b_quik: maybe (10:51 AM) Daniel X: Invesment Byuer (10:51 AM) jimbo_320: offputting 4 sure, means i just f....... up (10:51 AM) Tom_B: lng (10:51 AM) tomsurf: blue= ocean :-) (10:52 AM) dave_b_quik: IB orders turn light blue during transmission, dark blue when they're confirmed working (10:52 AM) Daniel X: Jimbo? (10:52 AM) Gorillatrader: Blue means RELAX...all is okay (10:52 AM) dave_b_quik: aaaah (10:52 AM) jimbo_320: overtrading (10:52 AM) Gorillatrader: trust us (10:53 AM) dave_b_quik: IB turns blue when yr overtrading? (10:53 AM) dave_b_quik: that's a great feature (10:53 AM) ppusa: out for a scalp (10:53 AM) rich012: MY IB turns a blueish pink (10:53 AM) Gorillatrader: what's overtrading? (10:53 AM) dave_b_quik: LOL, aren't you a recovering 1m trader? (10:54 AM) rich012: When your broker makes more than you? (10:54 AM) Gorillatrader: lol (10:54 AM) tomsurf: rich- good definition, lol (10:54 AM) klonerdoug: hehe (10:54 AM) Gorillatrader: more than 4 rt per week...like the SEC says Paltalk: ==================================================== Get your FREE credit report @ ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! ==================================================== (10:55 AM) rich012: 4 rt per hour more like it (10:56 AM) ppusa: i have 24 rt's this morning (10:56 AM) ppusa: sorry 12 (10:56 AM) Daniel X: Jimbo...well chop it is (10:56 AM) rich012: pp, who's making more? U or your broker? :-) (10:57 AM) ppusa: who do you think (10:57 AM) ppusa: had to cut his commissions (10:57 AM) Gorillatrader: ppusa, SEC/NASD would say you need help to control your compulsive gambling impulses (10:57 AM) jimbo_320: -2 on day so far (10:57 AM) wayne_53: ppusa....are you at least profitable after all those trades (10:57 AM) Tom_B: Nedd lower Comm's here... (10:58 AM) ppusa: +470 after fees (10:58 AM) wayne_53: vg (10:58 AM) jimbo_320: - comms of course (10:58 AM) ppusa: one loss in those (10:58 AM) rich012: TomB, what's your commish now? (10:58 AM) Tom_B: 10 (10:58 AM) ppusa: 470 AFTER fees (10:58 AM) ppusa: broker made 120 (10:59 AM) Tom_B: 4.70 & wht fees ? (10:59 AM) rich012: gj pp (10:59 AM) ppusa: No wonder you guys are such good retro traders you all are brain dead (10:59 AM) Tom_B: 190 for bkr yest (11:00 AM) rich012: Very good chance of inside day today (11:00 AM) Gorillatrader: scalping on small timeframes. i used to do that (11:00 AM) ppusa: +$600-120 fees including commissions = $470 lunch money (11:00 AM) rich012: I gave my broker a pay cut....started trading larger TF's (11:00 AM) ppusa: actually includes a nice trade from premarket (11:01 AM) Gorillatrader: look at using 3min or higher TF (11:01 AM) ppusa: fortunate enough to wake up 3 minutes after the low of 77 got hit and scalped for 6 ticks (11:01 AM) Gorillatrader: Study Retro trades as posted....its an eye opener (11:02 AM) dave_b_quik: i had 9 rt's yd, IB got $53.10 (no fees) (11:02 AM) jimbo_320: back to black again, weird (11:02 AM) ppusa: anyway enough...still plenty of time to give it back (11:02 AM) Daniel X: looks like scalpers paradise out there (11:02 AM) rich012: GT, you think the longer term TF's will be much more profitable over the long haul? (11:03 AM) ppusa: depends on the market - trend or chop (11:03 AM) Gorillatrader: Rich, suggest you study them with hard rules you can live with. Convince yourself (11:04 AM) Gorillatrader: pp, does not depend..if you have good rules, you will do well (11:04 AM) ppusa: what rules apply to chop? (11:04 AM) ppusa: the only rule i have if chop trade chop (11:05 AM) Gorillatrader: Study Retro results that are posted, then conclude for yourself if in choppy days are that bad that its unusable Paltalk: ==================================================== Britney,Dido,Outkast,+ MORE! 12 CDs Free + s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! ==================================================== (11:05 AM) Gorillatrader: my rule is STAY OUT (11:05 AM) ppusa: already proven it is (11:05 AM) Daniel X: ;-) GT (11:05 AM) Tom_B: out of olong +6 (11:06 AM) Gorillatrader: then, is Retro using 15/5min is very profitable, why can't that logical approach be used after modifying to suit your needs??? (11:06 AM) Daniel X: good Tom Paltalk: Your friends are just a click away! Press the invite button NOW! (11:06 AM) Gorillatrader: takes care of using "feelings", "Iguess", I think..." (11:06 AM) klonerdoug: loved that -1200 tick long trigger bak a ways (11:06 AM) Gorillatrader: just sit here and execute..place orders, period (11:07 AM) ppusa: can't modify retro to trade chop... (11:07 AM) Buffy_04364: well, looks like it stayed up so will get back to work (11:07 AM) Gorillatrader: then don't (11:07 AM) ppusa: executing chop rules this morning (11:08 AM) Daniel X: well my feelings told me that my guess at what i think was the HOD was right.....so far!!! (11:08 AM) ppusa: chop rule says if dow down 200+ don't count on nq going straight up (11:08 AM) jimbo_320: dow bounced of yesterday LOD (11:08 AM) Tom_B: The definition of choppy is not hard & fast for me...today this is "choppy" but the swings are tradable 5 trades so far...1 loser (11:09 AM) tomsurf: GT- good points (11:09 AM) dave_b_quik: i'd like to have a chop system to complement Retro and make the chop days more psychologically rewarding. When are some of you chop experts gonna give a seminar? (11:09 AM) Gorillatrader: each one has own style. use whatever works for you. not trying to convince anybody. (11:09 AM) dave_b_quik: Good job, Tom (11:09 AM) Tom_B: tnx stilll in 1st grade (11:10 AM) Gorillatrader: Tom_B, you in post graduate...lol (11:10 AM) ppusa: Chop rule I have is sell buy signals and buy sell signals because they all reverse (11:10 AM) ppusa: play only extremes (11:10 AM) dave_b_quik: just have sticky labels to switch the buy/sell buton? (11:10 AM) Gorillatrader: if it works for you, trade them. (11:11 AM) Gorillatrader: Turn monitor upside down (11:11 AM) Tom_B: Don't know if this is tradable now...shrt (11:11 AM) dave_b_quik: aaah (11:11 AM) Tom_B: confused , dah... (11:12 AM) ppusa: Also you have to figure there would be some early bounces because of yesterday's big rally. I look at action and daily ranges a lot. (11:12 AM) Gorillatrader: pp, you have a good logical way to trade. (11:12 AM) ppusa: back to trading (11:12 AM) Gorillatrader: yep (11:13 AM) rich012: I just checked the stats posted on the retro for last 6 weeks. + over $19,000 trading 1 NQ net commish!! (11:13 AM) Daniel X: yep (11:13 AM) Buffy_04364: pretty convincing isn't it (11:13 AM) rich012: who posts the stats? (11:13 AM) Buffy_04364: dave (11:13 AM) dave_b_quik: yo (11:13 AM) ppusa: good trends past weeks (11:13 AM) Gorillatrader: Dave (11:13 AM) Tom_B: i can't duplicate retro..:( (11:13 AM) rich012: you da man dave (11:14 AM) Buffy_04364: yes but many chop days in there too (11:14 AM) rich012: Dave, I hope you are trading it! (11:14 AM) dave_b_quik: ya, but not perfectly (11:14 AM) Gorillatrader: don't have to duplicate Retro. Adapt the logic, change the rules, timeframes, stops to suit your personality (11:14 AM) rich012: If I make $19,000 trading for 5 weeks on 1 contract...I can accept the chop trades! (11:14 AM) Daniel X: lol (11:14 AM) Gorillatrader: HEY! thanks Rich Paltalk: ==================================================== Get 4 DVDs for 49¢ each plus s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ¢ EACH! ==================================================== (11:15 AM) Daniel X: u have to be willing o get chopped..that and leaving $ on the table (11:15 AM) Buffy_04364: I know my data off but 3m posted shows the chop (11:16 AM) dave_b_quik: most people fail at trading even a winning system because after a string of losses they lose faith in the system and miss the good trades, then their faith is restored just in time to catch the next string of losses (11:16 AM) rich012: Yes, very tough for most people to do that. They can look at stats and see results, but still take profits too soon. (11:16 AM) Daniel X: ditto Dave (11:16 AM) Gorillatrader: What counts is NET $$$ at end of week, not individual trades. Always leave $ on table, Always will have losses (11:16 AM) ppusa: i like that Dave (11:17 AM) rich012: GT, yep trading can't be perfect (11:17 AM) Tom_B: Retro looking for continuat trade ? (11:17 AM) Gorillatrader: Rich...boils down to DISCIPLINE (11:17 AM) david h_2: and logic (11:19 AM) dave_b_quik: ya tom (11:20 AM) Daniel X: Retro stopped looking @ 1205 (11:20 AM) Gorillatrader: If you have a job at an assembly plant to bolt on a piece. You do it per written instructions. Day in , day out. Some of those pieces and asssembly will be defective, but they should be a small percentage of failure...Same as trading (11:20 AM) Gorillatrader: Most fail because they don't follow instruction and out guess own rules, early exits (11:20 AM) Tom_B: tnx dave (11:20 AM) ppusa: big run if break 4.5 or ? (11:21 AM) Tom_B: Cost me $ 300 yest..if i added up all the $ I left on the table from exiting too soon it is staggering but i AM improving.. (11:21 AM) Daniel X: Tom Dave IB rule stop @ 94.50 was hit (11:22 AM) dave_b_quik: no IB here, dan (11:22 AM) Daniel X: what!!!? (11:22 AM) dave_b_quik: but lwr hi stop was just hit (11:23 AM) Daniel X: 1204.50/1196 ib bar 5 min..no? near 11 am (11:24 AM) dave_b_quik: ya, same hi as previous bar? (11:24 AM) Daniel X: yes (11:24 AM) Tom_B: long 1200.g & stp out under 5m ib ? (11:24 AM) dave_b_quik: there are 2 definitions of inside bar floating around Paltalk: ==================================================== Credit report online. Always private, always secure, get yours FREE from ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! ==================================================== (11:25 AM) Daniel X: 1191 long TOM (11:25 AM) Daniel X: no? (11:26 AM) Tom_B: y, but stp on ib then reenter on 5m rev bar ? (11:26 AM) Daniel X: reentry on 5 min (11:27 AM) Daniel X: ? (11:27 AM) Daniel X: no no no (11:27 AM) dave_b_quik: those weren't inside bars on my chart, just equal bars (11:27 AM) elly_34: dave, where do u have stop pls? (11:27 AM) dave_b_quik: but the 2nd was a lwr hi (11:27 AM) dave_b_quik: flat (11:27 AM) elly_34: thought so, k (11:29 AM) Tom_B: is retro shrt ? (11:29 AM) Tom_B: now (11:30 AM) dave_b_quik: y (11:30 AM) Daniel X: 91.50 (11:31 AM) dave_b_quik: dan uses 2 tic stops, right? (11:31 AM) Daniel X: 1.5 (11:31 AM) Daniel X: pts (11:31 AM) Daniel X: oh entry u mean (11:31 AM) Daniel X: ? (11:32 AM) Gorillatrader: some texts define Inside bars to include equal highs or lows, <= (11:32 AM) Daniel X: that's what i use GT (11:33 AM) Tom_B: El Choppo Demente' (11:33 AM) Daniel X: yep (11:33 AM) Gorillatrader: lol, tom (11:33 AM) Daniel X: called it this morn at the open (11:33 AM) Tom_B: salad shooter day (11:34 AM) Buffy_04364: my son just sent email saying no help from Greenspan (11:34 AM) Daniel X: been a while since we've had one (11:34 AM) Buffy_04364: no clue what he means (11:34 AM) Daniel X: Airlines i think (11:34 AM) Buffy_04364: oh ok (11:34 AM) Tom_B: said he'd wait a few wks before putting a pkge together (11:34 AM) Buffy_04364: he leaves words out too like I do (11:34 AM) Gorillatrader: Greenie won't join the Paratroopers Paltalk: ==================================================== Get 12 FREE CDs! Click for Details, CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! ==================================================== (11:35 AM) dave_b_quik: how much lower than 3% can the FED rate go? That's about it isn't it? (11:35 AM) Tom_B: Int rate limbo (11:35 AM) dave_b_quik: in '92 they got down to 3.5% (11:36 AM) dave_b_quik: unless they start paying people to take money LOL (11:36 AM) Gorillatrader: 0 % plausible (11:36 AM) jimbo_320: is greenie talking today? Paltalk: Go bannerless and support PalTalk! Subscribe today! Only $9.95 a year! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. (11:36 AM) tomsurf: Greenie talking to Senate Banking Committee today (11:36 AM) jimbo_320: what tine (11:36 AM) jimbo_320: time (11:37 AM) Tom_B: this mkt is punch drunk (11:37 AM) tomsurf: jimbo- not sure but believe he has or is still speaking (11:37 AM) jimbo_320: if greenie is talking later then thats probably why market sucks (11:38 AM) Tom_B: retro, stped..now at lunch or looking for nxt ? (11:38 AM) dave_b_quik: retro sidelined (11:39 AM) Daniel X: yep (11:39 AM) Buffy_04364: there is also a report coming out at 12 isn't there (11:39 AM) Daniel X: on? (11:39 AM) Tom_B: Beige bk (11:39 AM) Tom_B: sry, Pila Fed (11:39 AM) Tom_B: Philly (11:39 AM) Buffy_04364: tks tom (11:40 AM) Tom_B: This is not exactly a bullish formation to me ...imvho (11:41 AM) Daniel X: hhhhmmmm Philiy steak sandwich ..baci in 10 mins (11:41 AM) Buffy_04364: :-) (11:41 AM) Daniel X: making me hungry (11:41 AM) ppusa: agree Tom (11:42 AM) Daniel X: BearlyBullish (11:42 AM) ppusa: last time nq had this pattern sold off (11:42 AM) jimbo_320: bbs (11:42 AM) ppusa: needs to retest the low i guess (11:42 AM) Tom_B: shrt (11:43 AM) ppusa: could still hold low (11:43 AM) ppusa: deer here (11:44 AM) rich012: Who is trading the 9/3 NQ using retro type rules? I was checking out dave's retro stuff. Nice work, dave. (11:45 AM) Tom_B: Daniel does Paltalk: ==================================================== Get 4 DVDs for 49¢ each plush s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ¢ EACH! ==================================================== (11:45 AM) Tom_B: , i'm working with it (11:46 AM) rich012: GT using that? (11:48 AM) Tom_B: I'm out...whrs the Philly steak sandwich ? (11:49 AM) Tom_B: my bkr is ahead of me now :( (11:49 AM) Gorillatrader: yes, rich..one of the methodologies, (11:49 AM) Daniel X: just slighty i hope (11:50 AM) Tom_B: y (11:50 AM) rich012: ok, I will watch for the trades you guys post using the 9/3 (11:51 AM) Daniel X: 9 min ADX in 45 degree slide..at least "its" trending! (11:53 AM) Daniel X: volume lowest of the day (11:54 AM) Daniel X: well being under the 5 min EMAs is a little more encouraging Paltalk: ==================================================== Get your FREE credit report @ ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! ==================================================== (11:55 AM) rich012: both nq and es testing up t/l's from yesterday pm (11:56 AM) ppusa: have gut feeling nq will be down today and tomorrow (11:57 AM) ppusa: based on Dow (11:58 AM) ppusa: never mind Paltalk: ==================================================== Britney,Dido,Outkast,+ MORE! 12 CDs Free + s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! ==================================================== (12:06 PM) luv-to-trade: hi anyone here? (12:06 PM) luv-to-trade: or did my paltalk stop again? (12:06 PM) shimster_1: Im here (12:06 PM) Buffy_04364: hi luv Paltalk: Please support our sponsors by clicking on banners. (12:06 PM) luv-to-trade: ok, so quiet today (12:13 PM) ppusa: The last few times nq had this pattern on it's 15 minute chart, there was another down bar to come, then a blast to the upside. 1-2-3 (12:14 PM) klonerdoug: test (12:14 PM) elly_34: was the 11:30 bar taken as a sh entry for retro? (12:14 PM) ppusa: maybe this means it is to early for a rally (12:15 PM) ppusa: or maybe this time will be different (12:15 PM) tang: would the lunch time consider at central or eastern? pls Paltalk: ==================================================== Get 4 DVDs for 49¢ each plus s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ¢ EACH! ==================================================== (12:17 PM) Daniel X: both (12:18 PM) Daniel X: hence 11:30 to 13:30 (12:18 PM) Daniel X: eastern (12:18 PM) tang: thanx dan (12:18 PM) Daniel X: roughly (12:18 PM) Daniel X: wlcm (12:18 PM) Tom_B: shrt (12:19 PM) Daniel X: 83.50? (12:19 PM) Tom_B: y (12:19 PM) Daniel X: k (12:21 PM) Daniel X: im hoping for the 1150 pivoy sup1 (12:21 PM) Daniel X: pivot (12:21 PM) Daniel X: PPUSA did u sell the HOD? (12:22 PM) dave_b_quik: what a spike on ES (12:22 PM) Daniel X: watch 74 Tom (12:23 PM) Daniel X: news? (12:23 PM) Tom_B: was tht real ? (12:23 PM) ppusa: phone (12:23 PM) Daniel X: ok (12:23 PM) klonerdoug: wow es spike (12:23 PM) Tom_B: any one else get that spike not on esig / (12:23 PM) klonerdoug: thought i might see one on nq but not es (12:23 PM) dave_b_quik: sears tower scare? (12:23 PM) klonerdoug: y (12:24 PM) klonerdoug: ? (12:24 PM) Daniel X: serious!? (12:24 PM) dave_b_quik: just a rumor so far (12:25 PM) Daniel X: anyone else in this (12:25 PM) Tom_B: anyone not hve es spike ?' (12:25 PM) Daniel X: ? Paltalk: ==================================================== Credit report online. Always private, always secure, get yours FREE from ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! ==================================================== (12:25 PM) Daniel X: i don't (12:25 PM) dave_b_quik: what's yr ES LOD, dan? (12:26 PM) tang: wtg tom (12:26 PM) Daniel X: 997.500 (12:26 PM) Tom_B: i'm out (12:26 PM) Buffy_04364: ditto (12:26 PM) Daniel X: +10 i hope (12:26 PM) tomsurf: I have 979 ES with that spike down (12:27 PM) MarkCA: 979 (12:27 PM) Buffy_04364: +14 (12:27 PM) dave_b_quik: 977.50 here (12:27 PM) MarkCA: 977i mean (12:27 PM) Daniel X: sorry 977.500 (12:27 PM) Orprepus: 977.5 (12:27 PM) tang: great buffy' (12:28 PM) Daniel X: Buffy!good (12:28 PM) Orprepus: thats why we don't buy this thing (12:28 PM) Orprepus: great buffy (12:28 PM) Tom_B: can't understand y NQ didn't break ??? (12:28 PM) klonerdoug: nice buffy (12:29 PM) jimbo_320: bk (12:29 PM) Tom_B: got 8 pts (12:29 PM) Daniel X: Tom just pulled ahead of your broker ;-) (12:29 PM) luv-to-trade: that's wonderful, Buffy! (12:29 PM) luv-to-trade: great, TOm (12:29 PM) Tom_B: $ 10 , lol (12:30 PM) Daniel X: lol (12:30 PM) Daniel X: ur funny (12:30 PM) dave_b_quik: maybe that spike was just an emini thing, anybody have the big SP? (12:30 PM) Tom_B: really..it's me agnst bkr & mkt.. (12:30 PM) rich012: gotta be just an emini thing (12:30 PM) Tom_B: UGLY (12:31 PM) Buffy_04364: posted 5M with TL (12:31 PM) tomsurf: emini does that all the time when we've been in a tight range and all of a sudden it goes up/dn enuff to hit stops (12:32 PM) Buffy_04364: pyra had time line also (12:32 PM) Tom_B: retro out looking for long side now ? (12:32 PM) Daniel X: Underhanded Goons Leaching You...UGLY ...Tom? (12:32 PM) tomsurf: presto- spikeola (12:32 PM) Tom_B: u calling me UGLY ? (12:32 PM) MarkCA: but there were no upspikes to hit the stops (12:32 PM) Daniel X: no u said UGLY (12:33 PM) bruce_lee_2: Hi room (12:33 PM) Tom_B: spike... (12:33 PM) bruce_lee_2: You me'o ke`m (12:34 PM) bruce_lee_2: When will the War stard ? (12:34 PM) Daniel X: no War sorry (12:34 PM) dave_b_quik: started a long time ago (12:34 PM) jimbo_320: dan, you started shorting es again? (12:35 PM) Daniel X: not today Jimbo (12:35 PM) Daniel X: NQ only (12:35 PM) dave_b_quik: bin laden declared war in '96 (12:35 PM) Tom_B: getting rdy to buy Paltalk: ==================================================== Get 12 FREE CDs! Click for Details, CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! ==================================================== (12:35 PM) tang: at 93? (12:36 PM) rich012: Anybody have the low on that last swing low for the big spoos? (12:36 PM) Daniel X: he cannot declare war on behalf of the Muslim nation..he's not a religious leader (12:36 PM) Tom_B: ask dbq... Paltalk: Are banners a bummer and popups a pain? Cure your banner blues NOW for $9.95 a year! Click HELP on your Pal List then select Bannerless PalTalk to subscribe now! No banners! No Popups! Fast video in all groups! (12:37 PM) MarkCA: 977.5 (12:37 PM) jimbo_320: anyone make of that spike down? (12:37 PM) tomsurf: that spike was why T says not to place your stops just below the high or low of the day (12:37 PM) Daniel X: sears rumor (12:37 PM) Daniel X: tower (12:37 PM) jimbo_320: another bomb? (12:37 PM) dave_b_quik: ya, that's why T uses stop/limit orders too (12:37 PM) Daniel X: scare (12:38 PM) Daniel X: u don't Dave? (12:38 PM) dave_b_quik: ya, 1/2 the time (12:38 PM) Daniel X: oh ok (12:38 PM) rich012: the big spoos hit 977.50??? (12:39 PM) Daniel X: mini (12:39 PM) tomsurf: rich- don't know...spikes have more to do with globex stops (12:39 PM) tomsurf: minis (12:39 PM) Daniel X: brb (12:40 PM) Indycator: I am showing 986.00 low for spoos (12:40 PM) rich012: right, but I want to know what the spoos low there was since that is what the floor will watch. That ES low is useless. (12:40 PM) rich012: tx, indy (12:40 PM) klonerdoug: stop ripping spike it was i believe (12:40 PM) rich012: I will adjust my EW charts (12:40 PM) Tom_B: path of least res, imvho is up (12:41 PM) Daniel X: looks more of equal res (12:42 PM) Daniel X: what are we at the open again? (12:42 PM) dave_b_quik: singin the inside day blues (12:42 PM) Daniel X: was due (12:43 PM) Daniel X: the move will come overnight as usual (12:43 PM) dave_b_quik: Buffy probably makin a killing (12:43 PM) Daniel X: nightriders by invitation only (12:43 PM) elly_34: i have a retro question dave (12:44 PM) dave_b_quik: ok (12:44 PM) elly_34: if you are in a trade and the stop becomes on the 5 min chart a pullback/up,,,,and time has gone by and it looks like 5 min is forming a reversal, do you ever stop and reverse at the same time? (12:44 PM) elly_34: if it coincides with entry on 15 in the opposite dir (12:45 PM) dave_b_quik: ya, if the 5m exit is also a 15m entry (12:45 PM) Daniel X: often imo Paltalk: ==================================================== Get 4 DVDs for 49¢ each plush s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ¢ EACH! ==================================================== (12:45 PM) Daniel X: hard to catch them all (12:46 PM) elly_34: is there a retro rule for having any particular point profit say +10 but there is still only a crash stop of -5 (12:46 PM) Daniel X: lol (12:46 PM) Daniel X: n (12:46 PM) elly_34: i mean if no higher stop is forming would retro let +10 turn into -5? (12:46 PM) Daniel X: o (12:46 PM) Daniel X: p (12:46 PM) Daniel X: e (12:46 PM) Daniel X: doesn't happen that often (12:47 PM) elly_34: k (12:47 PM) Daniel X: usually smaller loss or tighter stop comes 1rst (12:48 PM) dave_b_quik: elly there's nothing written in the rules, but several people are using their own rule to hang onto those small gains (12:48 PM) Daniel X: in anticipation of the reversal (12:48 PM) luv-to-trade: so now retro is looking to buy 92.50 or sell 78? (12:48 PM) dave_b_quik: y (12:48 PM) Daniel X: yep (12:48 PM) elly_34: but your results posted dave are per the written rules as of now? (12:49 PM) Daniel X: is Dave answering the questions because i have him on ignor? (12:49 PM) klonerdoug: todays trdes are posted at website? (12:49 PM) rich012: another way to trade retro is when using more than 1 contract, tighten stops on 1 contract and keep wider stop on others. (12:50 PM) elly_34: bar at 12:30 was short went for +10 then quickly back to -5 (12:50 PM) Daniel X: ditto Rich (12:50 PM) jimbo_320: choppy but the trend is down (12:50 PM) luv-to-trade: so if you are not presently in a trade, then the way to get in, is to buy or sell above or below the price of the previous 15 minute bar? (12:50 PM) Daniel X: cut 1'2 position as a scalp hold the rest (12:51 PM) Daniel X: yes Luv (12:51 PM) Daniel X: in the direction of trend (12:51 PM) luv-to-trade: I know it sounds crazy, but I actually think I am finally catching on. I usually trade smaller time frames, and these bars take forever.....lol (12:52 PM) rich012: right daniel. More comfortable way of trading (12:52 PM) Daniel X: lol yes they do (12:52 PM) jimbo_320: 990 bottom of es lod trendline (12:52 PM) rich012: luv, have patience :-) (12:52 PM) luv-to-trade: also, do you need to know pyro to do retro? (12:53 PM) dave_b_quik: get a timer, luv (12:53 PM) Daniel X: no (12:53 PM) dave_b_quik: no, pyro is a whole 'nuther world (12:53 PM) luv-to-trade: so say I sold 78. would stop be 83, or would it be above top of bar? (12:53 PM) Daniel X: Buffy having great success because thats he particular style (12:53 PM) jimbo_320: poss down wedge forming (12:54 PM) Daniel X: 83 (12:54 PM) luv-to-trade: I know! I am amazed at how Buffy trades. Like a machine; so hard to do :) (12:54 PM) dave_b_quik: luv, retro initial stop is never more than 5 pts (12:54 PM) jimbo_320: is retro still sidelined (12:55 PM) luv-to-trade: that's what I thought,. I was just wondering if you would use the bars for stops too (12:55 PM) Daniel X: nope short 78 (12:55 PM) dave_b_quik: retro is short 1178 Paltalk: ==================================================== Get your FREE credit report @ ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! ==================================================== (12:56 PM) elly_34: if retro takes 15 min in dir of trend,,,there is no trend today so wouldn't it be standing aside? (12:56 PM) luv-to-trade: and when would stop be moved from 1183? (12:57 PM) ppusa: Dan i sold 1200 only for a scalp. Got caught flat hooved at the HOD, Happened fast V top. (12:57 PM) Daniel X: oh ok thnx (12:57 PM) ppusa: long now (12:57 PM) ppusa: 83 (12:57 PM) dave_b_quik: elly, if retro was smarter, yes (12:57 PM) Daniel X: rightlol (12:57 PM) ppusa: hoping for another run to HOD (12:58 PM) luv-to-trade: why long at 83 ppusa? is that a retro trade too? (12:59 PM) ppusa: no (12:59 PM) luv-to-trade: oh, sorry. trying to take everything in (12:59 PM) dave_b_quik: lotta different styles in here (12:59 PM) ppusa: I should have waited for a buy signal but didn't (01:00 PM) Chris2811: imo targets 974...955 (01:00 PM) dave_b_quik: OK (01:00 PM) Daniel X: Chris on what indicators (01:00 PM) Daniel X: ? (01:00 PM) ppusa: A long term trade by definition. (01:00 PM) luv-to-trade: chop, chop (01:01 PM) Daniel X: investor ;-) (01:01 PM) Chris2811: chart and price patterns relative to fibnumbers (01:01 PM) Daniel X: fibs ok thnx (01:01 PM) jimbo_320: i am going add a retro rule for avoid chop into my auto-retro (01:01 PM) dave_b_quik: that would be a big improvement, jimbo (01:01 PM) Daniel X: i have that rule (01:02 PM) Daniel X: stay out 11:30 to 13:00/13:30 (01:02 PM) Gorillatrader: with days like yestreday, makes up for many no trading, chop days (01:02 PM) Daniel X: ditto (01:02 PM) jimbo_320: started writing code yesterday :-) reckon about three weeks (01:02 PM) luv-to-trade: was yesterday's trading more than 1 contract? (01:02 PM) dave_b_quik: cool, jimbo, what platform? (01:03 PM) Tom_B: Daniel express the rule in mathimatical terms, other than 2losses in a row=stand aside (01:03 PM) Gorillatrader: jimbo, code in what program? (01:03 PM) Daniel X: was almost tempted into that last 78 but just hoofing around (01:04 PM) jimbo_320: C++ Java on NT, the feed uses TCIP (01:04 PM) ppusa: higher low....suspense is building (01:04 PM) Daniel X: Tom till a trend developes (01:04 PM) Daniel X: on 5 min (01:04 PM) elly_34: then retro would not have taken that last trade becuase 5 min has no trend either (01:05 PM) jimbo_320: give me some ideas of chop rule, has to break out of last sw h sw l of 5 min chart? (01:05 PM) Daniel X: trend was when swing low 83.50 was broken Paltalk: ==================================================== Britney,Dido,Outkast,+ MORE! 12 CDs Free + s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! ==================================================== (01:05 PM) ppusa: u guys short flat or indiffernet? (01:06 PM) jimbo_320: i'll have to give trading a miss to get it finished though (01:06 PM) ppusa: indifferent Paltalk: Multivideo has been activated in all Paltalk groups!!! With Paltalk 4.0 (available from our beta link on our homepage), you can see up to three people in every group. Paltalk Plus subscribers can see people in full motion video. (01:06 PM) dave_b_quik: flat, indifferent, hungry (01:06 PM) Daniel X: fa la at (01:06 PM) dave_b_quik: call me if something happens (01:06 PM) elly_34: 83.50 is in the middle of todays range though, i don't see that as a trend break (01:06 PM) ppusa: little triangle here (01:07 PM) ppusa: going to kill the nas (01:07 PM) luv-to-trade: I can't believe the dow has lost 300 and nas barely 30 (01:07 PM) Daniel X: rotation? (01:08 PM) Daniel X: nas bargains (01:08 PM) ppusa: percentage the same (01:08 PM) klonerdoug: does seem kind of strange (01:08 PM) klonerdoug: anyone think long here on mini breakout 1 min? (01:08 PM) ppusa: already am (01:09 PM) Gorillatrader: not very strange, look at the stocks/components of the DOW 30 (01:09 PM) Daniel X: this chop makes it so hard to get a feel of when we're going to pull out (01:09 PM) klonerdoug: ur right g man on that too (01:09 PM) rich012: kloner, not me (01:09 PM) klonerdoug: ge pe was stupid too high (01:09 PM) ppusa: maybe i will get out...there is still enough time to kill the markets one more tiime (01:09 PM) Gorillatrader: "think" ??? (01:09 PM) elly_34: i have two -5's in a row if last two signals were taken (01:10 PM) Daniel X: yes (01:10 PM) Daniel X: gotta get spanked (01:10 PM) klonerdoug: ok gorilla i'm having a tough day (01:10 PM) Gorillatrader: no Gold Stars for that boy (01:10 PM) Gorillatrader: relax (01:10 PM) Indycator: Bass family had to sell 135m shares of Disney stock to meet margin call.....ouch (01:11 PM) Daniel X: oohh i feel so sorry for them...horrible (01:11 PM) Gorillatrader: klon, have rules that work. reduce stress (01:11 PM) klonerdoug: i'm trying too ... been on edge since yd with all the planes flying overhead (01:11 PM) klonerdoug: i should take a break for a while to chill out (01:12 PM) Gorillatrader: my psychologist friend had great advice for me one time: Don't worry or get razzled by things you can not control" (01:12 PM) Daniel X: Doug when a plane flys out go short when it comes back cover (01:12 PM) Gorillatrader: Then, what you can control, make a plan of attack to solve it (01:12 PM) ppusa: come on GT, there are no rules that work in this chop other than a fast finger (01:13 PM) Gorillatrader: yes there are rules that work in chop: "STAY OUT". Yesterday was a bonanza..makes up for whole month of trading, why give it back today (01:13 PM) skyprince_1: Think a lot of this drop is margin call related from Monday? As I recall, they would go out today from Monday's drop... (01:14 PM) ppusa: i'm up today (01:14 PM) ppusa: why stay out? (01:14 PM) klonerdoug: no question there ur right gorilla (01:14 PM) Daniel X: can't wait till the tax loss steps up to bat! (01:14 PM) Gorillatrader: good for you, I am too this am trades (01:14 PM) david h_2: GT what do you use to tell if it will be a chop or trend day? (01:15 PM) Buffy_04364: you stay out when not sure to avoid giving it back (01:15 PM) Gorillatrader: anyway, no more comments. (01:15 PM) skyprince_1: david...look at the chart...pretty evident. Paltalk: ==================================================== Get 4 DVDs for 49¢ each plus s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ¢ EACH! ==================================================== (01:15 PM) Daniel X: thats how Bush was able to give those cheques out by going short went the Tax loss selling comes into play (01:15 PM) ppusa: anyone read the comment i made awhile back about the down 15 minute bar that normally followed the up one we had an hour ago? Well went down didn't it!!! (01:16 PM) david h_2: sky thats hindsight (01:16 PM) ppusa: or how about we got enough time to kill the market again (01:16 PM) ppusa: i'm making so much money today i will send u a check (01:16 PM) Daniel X: for me? (01:16 PM) skyprince_1: Well, pattern recognition is based on hindsight. It's all we have, right? (01:17 PM) Daniel X: well if you scroll up to the morning Jimbo and myself felt that a chop day was due (01:17 PM) Daniel X: right at the open (01:17 PM) skyprince_1: 40 pt range today.....and choppy... (01:17 PM) dave_b_quik: good call (01:18 PM) david h_2: yes - so its not till you have put on a trade or two and we see the speed of the moves (01:18 PM) rich012: Both ES and NQ have a down bias though. Got a feeling they crack quite a bit lower this afternoon. (01:18 PM) Daniel X: they could (01:18 PM) skyprince_1: Daniel....crystal ball? Gut feel? Or indicators? (01:19 PM) ppusa: doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure the Nas isn't going limit up with the Dow down 300 points! (01:19 PM) Daniel X: but the last few days news played a part in the moves (01:19 PM) rich012: This doesn't look like typical sideways action after a big down. There is still a lot of selling pressure. (01:19 PM) ppusa: Besides, there is no up limit (01:19 PM) Daniel X: Prince..experience (01:20 PM) skyprince_1: Yes, no substitute for experience I guess.... (01:20 PM) Daniel X: just like the HOD but that one i'll leave for PPUSA (01:20 PM) ppusa: I'm flat (01:21 PM) dave_b_quik: we should start a HOD/LOD pool (01:21 PM) Daniel X: ulent (01:21 PM) Buffy_04364: posted 3m with tl (01:21 PM) Daniel X: lol (01:21 PM) Daniel X: ha (01:21 PM) elly_34: so the code will be an autotrade system jimbo? (01:21 PM) ppusa: missed the #$^&% HOD and whenever I do, I play extremes and look for scalps (01:21 PM) Buffy_04364: worst enemy is yourself :-( (01:22 PM) ppusa: much rather sell the HOD or buy the LOD and take a nap (01:22 PM) elly_34: buffy have you posted your methods yet? (01:22 PM) Buffy_04364: no got lost in the confussion of WTC (01:22 PM) elly_34: understand (01:22 PM) Buffy_04364: GT reminded me (01:22 PM) dave_b_quik: lotta people been asking, buffy :-) (01:22 PM) Daniel X: me too PP but ........... (01:22 PM) ppusa: inside hour on hour chart and a triangle wound tighter than a slinky on the tick chart (01:22 PM) Buffy_04364: so going to try to finish it this weekend (01:23 PM) Buffy_04364: hard to get charts to show examples sometimes (01:23 PM) elly_34: great (01:24 PM) skyprince_1: ppusa....which way will it break? Down? (01:24 PM) ppusa: why the $#^$^%$& are you asking me? (01:24 PM) ppusa: down (01:24 PM) ppusa: actually i am 50.50 here (01:25 PM) skyprince_1: That's safe (01:25 PM) elly_34: up down or sideways (01:25 PM) tomsurf: is this the train? LOL (01:25 PM) ppusa: due for an up hour Paltalk: ==================================================== Credit report online. Always private, always secure, get yours FREE from ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! ==================================================== (01:25 PM) tomsurf: opps another hr (01:25 PM) Daniel X: PPUSA last month i tried to get a feel to where we would go in 4 weeks when we at 1700 and i wanted to hold just one short to see i figured there was no way we were going up more than 1800 or so (01:26 PM) tomsurf: this day is dragging (01:26 PM) ppusa: agree Daniel (01:26 PM) Daniel X: no cajones (01:26 PM) dave_b_quik: no drawers? (01:27 PM) skyprince_1: Volume a little low.....should pick up soon.... (01:27 PM) Daniel X: drawers too big..no cajones (01:27 PM) ppusa: Orp and I had a conversation about where we would be and I figured a trading range 1350 to 1550 more likely than 1650 to 1850 (01:28 PM) skyprince_1: CNBC guy is nuts! Mini capitulation?? An oymoron! (01:28 PM) Daniel X: yes that coinsides with Mike's es estimate (01:28 PM) skyprince_1: It is or it ain't. (01:28 PM) Daniel X: lol (01:29 PM) ppusa: yesterday's triangle broke to downside (01:29 PM) ppusa: today's triangle break to upside? (01:29 PM) Indycator: 2 inside bars on nq 15m (01:29 PM) Daniel X: ha hoping now r we? (01:29 PM) Indycator: sorry, ES (01:29 PM) jimbo_320: nq is now above downtrend line of day on 5min (01:29 PM) Buffy_04364: drat doing to many different things and missed poke bar breakout of my tl I posted (01:29 PM) Buffy_04364: oh well (01:30 PM) ppusa: I will take the NEXT 15 minute bar signal (01:30 PM) Daniel X: vol still crumy (01:31 PM) elly_34: has anyone gone back and looked at the performance of retro on any daily inside bar range days? (01:31 PM) jimbo_320: ema 20 is 83 (01:31 PM) jimbo_320: needs to take out 1190 (01:32 PM) dave_b_quik: generally pretty poor, elly (01:32 PM) tomsurf: elly- no system works in all market conditions (01:33 PM) Indycator: tom, dang (01:33 PM) jimbo_320: go,go go (01:34 PM) ppusa: day like today every trader looks at 7 days down and says i am a buyer. have to shake 'em all because they can't all make money (01:34 PM) dave_b_quik: BREEEAAAKOOOUUUT (01:34 PM) dave_b_quik: sorry, didn't mean to get so excited (01:35 PM) ppusa: inside bar on hour chart broke out up Paltalk: ==================================================== Get 12 FREE CDs! Click for Details, CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! ==================================================== (01:36 PM) elly_34: i am not looking for retro to work in all market conditions tom (01:36 PM) jimbo_320: locking in 7 :-) Paltalk: Click banners to visit our sponsors. (01:37 PM) ppusa: yea now they will shake everyone that just bot by pulling back and hitting all the sell stops at the point of breakout Welcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders and TrendVUE.com alumni. Today's charts at www.DaCharts.com WARNING: Any trades posted here are for educational purposes only. Don't take the trades unless you understand them and can take the risk. (01:39 PM) skyprince_1: DOW heading down again (01:40 PM) ppusa: i have a buy signal on 10 and 15 point PnF (01:40 PM) ppusa: means nothing (01:40 PM) Tom_B: es holding on, sOOO FARRR (01:41 PM) Tom_B: cm'on Daddy needs to pay the mortgage... (01:41 PM) jimbo_320: out +11 on 1/2 yeehaa (01:41 PM) ppusa: what is 1/2? (01:41 PM) jimbo_320: half my position (01:42 PM) ppusa: yeehaa (01:42 PM) dave_b_quik: nice going, jimbo (01:42 PM) jimbo_320: its going higher (01:42 PM) Tom_B: es is looking ovr the hedges (01:43 PM) Buffy_04364: very nice jimbo (01:43 PM) Buffy_04364: have buy stop over poke bar on 5M now since I missed the 3M (01:44 PM) skyprince_1: Buffy....95? (01:45 PM) Buffy_04364: 1195.50 (01:45 PM) Buffy_04364: 2 tics (01:45 PM) skyprince_1: ty (01:46 PM) jimbo_320: dow 8500, stumbling block so far (01:46 PM) Buffy_04364: sad thing is big diff between entry on 3m and one on 5m (01:46 PM) Daniel X: the trap is set Paltalk: ==================================================== Get 4 DVDs for 49¢ each plush s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ¢ EACH! ==================================================== (01:46 PM) dave_b_quik: buffy, yr 3m entry was 87? (01:47 PM) Buffy_04364: poke bar high of 1184.50 so would of been 1185.50 (01:47 PM) Buffy_04364: want me to post? (01:47 PM) ppusa: If nq goes up, in hind sight, i will say "nothing to this trade. 8 days down, all nq needed was a real LOD and then up"....If nq goes down, I will say....Dow down 300, obviously no rally today. They will save it for tomorrow. (01:47 PM) dave_b_quik: that wud be great, buffy, thanks (01:47 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL (01:48 PM) Buffy_04364: sound more like an analysts than ppusa LOL (01:48 PM) luv-to-trade: this keeps trying to go up (01:48 PM) ppusa: i have a secret chart that I use...says 1204.5 is key to rally (01:49 PM) Buffy_04364: called 3M3 (01:49 PM) dave_b_quik: tnx (01:49 PM) luv-to-trade: ok, I'm buying ppusa, thank you :) (01:49 PM) luv-to-trade: lol (01:50 PM) Buffy_04364: also posted 5m4 (01:50 PM) Buffy_04364: that shows how it has been testing the TL (01:50 PM) Mario73: Hello Traders! I have a very big request (01:50 PM) Buffy_04364: which is (01:50 PM) dave_b_quik: yo, mario (01:51 PM) Mario73: Does anybody of you have the last 3 contracts of the emini-Nasdaq future (01:51 PM) Buffy_04364: if it goes back beneath TL then will cancel BS (01:51 PM) Mario73: I need 3min and 5min Charts (01:51 PM) Buffy_04364: just posted both to the website mario (01:51 PM) Buffy_04364: what software you have? (01:51 PM) Mario73: of the H and M (01:51 PM) Mario73: ensign (01:51 PM) skyprince_1: Indecision reigns... (01:51 PM) Mario73: which webpage (01:51 PM) Buffy_04364: todays folder (01:52 PM) Buffy_04364: www.dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart.com (01:52 PM) jimbo_320: last shakout before we bring in buyers (01:52 PM) Mario73: there I will find the data for these contacts? (01:52 PM) dave_b_quik: he needs back data, buffy (01:52 PM) Buffy_04364: oh sorry (01:52 PM) Buffy_04364: why can't ensign fill it in? (01:52 PM) Mario73: yes historical data - 3min and 5min charts (01:52 PM) dave_b_quik: i only have sept (01:52 PM) Mario73: the refresh goes only back about 60days (01:52 PM) Buffy_04364: dave handles that LOL (01:52 PM) skyprince_1: Sell volume seems to have the edge here... (01:53 PM) Mario73: wait a moment dave (01:53 PM) Buffy_04364: BS cancelled (01:53 PM) dave_b_quik: Mario, did you check the ensignsoftware website? (01:54 PM) Mario73: no (01:54 PM) Mario73: will I find historical data there (01:54 PM) Buffy_04364: watching now (01:54 PM) Mario73: Dave, how long back do you have the U contract? (01:54 PM) dave_b_quik: i'll look and see (01:54 PM) jimbo_320: +2 stop on the other half (01:54 PM) Buffy_04364: put bs back in (01:55 PM) ppusa: nice flag (01:55 PM) Buffy_04364: pyra says ok if triggered (01:55 PM) Buffy_04364: long (01:55 PM) ppusa: go you piece of #^$%%!!! (01:56 PM) jimbo_320: gogo (01:56 PM) Tom_B: got it (01:56 PM) ppusa: bot the flag Paltalk: ==================================================== Get your FREE credit report @ ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! ==================================================== (01:56 PM) jimbo_320: should of filled up on the shaekout to 85 (01:56 PM) Daniel X: $%^#$*@@#%$ (01:56 PM) ppusa: GT are you in???? (01:56 PM) Daniel X: no fill (01:57 PM) ppusa: come on GT, stop pouting and talk to us!!!!!!! (01:57 PM) ppusa: please (01:57 PM) Buffy_04364: he got it using the 3m unless looking elsewhere like I was (01:57 PM) jimbo_320: tkae 1200 for HOD (01:58 PM) ppusa: pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease (01:58 PM) jimbo_320: 8500 on dow (01:58 PM) Buffy_04364: do I see emotions ppusa? (01:58 PM) jimbo_320: 1000 es (01:58 PM) dave_b_quik: nice # (01:58 PM) ppusa: home free nq!!! (01:59 PM) Buffy_04364: first book I read said don't think about the money think about the trade - money will take care of itself (01:59 PM) jimbo_320: big numbers here (01:59 PM) Tom_B: retro ..L'Animal (01:59 PM) tomsurf: Buffy- very true and I always have a hard time with that, lol (01:59 PM) ppusa: "nothing to this trade. 8 days down, all nq needed was a real LOD and then up". (02:00 PM) dave_b_quik: bonds really crashed (02:01 PM) jimbo_320: out +17 on the other half , yeeha (02:01 PM) Buffy_04364: great jimbo (02:01 PM) dave_b_quik: kudos, jimbo (02:01 PM) jimbo_320: that was a 5min trade, dont usually trade that (02:02 PM) Mario73: Dave, did you find some data for me? (02:03 PM) dave_b_quik: no, sorry, it only went back a month (02:04 PM) Mario73: no problem - I will send an email to the usergroup - maybe somebody there has some data for me - thanks for your help (02:04 PM) jimbo_320: es retro 15min is 1002 (02:04 PM) Gorillatrader: ppusa, was eating lunch. too much chatting is distracting to my trading (02:04 PM) Gorillatrader: I also trade other markets (02:04 PM) ppusa: glad you are back (02:04 PM) Gorillatrader: besides the indexes (02:05 PM) ppusa: or does that mean you were short? (02:05 PM) Gorillatrader: me? I have positions in other markets. (02:06 PM) ppusa: kiddin' ya Paltalk: ==================================================== Britney,Dido,Outkast,+ MORE! 12 CDs Free + s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! ==================================================== Paltalk: Love PalTalk but hate the banners and popups? Go bannerless! Only $9.95 per year! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. (02:06 PM) ppusa: i am going to wait now until the next hour and try to buy it's low (02:08 PM) Daniel X: train no t far now (02:08 PM) jimbo_320: can u set a buy stop limit at 1002 stop price 1001.5 limit price? (02:09 PM) jimbo_320: or have the prices got to be the same? (02:09 PM) rich012: can be different (02:09 PM) jimbo_320: but you will not get filled unless the limit price is traded? (02:10 PM) jimbo_320: dow 8500 (02:16 PM) ppusa: may have seen the HOD for nq Paltalk: ==================================================== Get 4 DVDs for 49¢ each plus s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ¢ EACH! ==================================================== (02:16 PM) Daniel X: can you spell M-A-N-I-P-U-L-A-T-I-O-N (02:17 PM) ppusa: Dow down 300, obviously no rally today. They will save it for tomorrow. (02:18 PM) dave_b_quik: LOL (02:18 PM) Daniel X: South train not boarding (02:18 PM) jimbo_320: do we get a train? right on trendline (02:19 PM) Daniel X: one way or another (02:19 PM) Daniel X: yes (02:19 PM) ppusa: 10 and 15 point PnF's needed this drop (02:20 PM) jimbo_320: looking clunky (02:21 PM) Daniel X: on purpose (02:21 PM) Daniel X: very controlled moves (02:21 PM) rich012: jimbo, a stop lof 1002 with a limit buy of 1001.50 means that when 1002 is traded, your order becomes a bid at 1001.50. If price was moving up when stop is hit, your 1001.50 may never trade. (02:22 PM) ppusa: the breakout was from 1182...do you suppose go back there?or this is a setup for the next hour low in 8 minutes and up again (02:22 PM) rich012: That maybe be fine for entering, but not good for exiting a trade. (02:22 PM) jimbo_320: thanks rich, i didnt want to try it, i guessed thats what happened (02:22 PM) Tom_B: chink in the armor (02:23 PM) Daniel X: Retro short @1193 (02:23 PM) ppusa: the high of the rally 1203.5 was right at overhead TL's and ma's (02:23 PM) Daniel X: can he get a winner? (02:24 PM) jimbo_320: tick sinking (02:24 PM) Tom_B: cm'on retro (02:26 PM) ppusa: 1185.5 low of flag Paltalk: ==================================================== Credit report online. Always private, always secure, get yours FREE from ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! ==================================================== (02:26 PM) Daniel X: gonna call it quits here sickening to watch so intensly...have a great everyone! (02:27 PM) ppusa: cya (02:27 PM) Buffy_04364: bye daniel (02:27 PM) dave_b_quik: thanks, dan (02:27 PM) Buffy_04364: u 2 (02:27 PM) Tom_B: bye (02:29 PM) jimbo_320: cu (02:35 PM) rich012: Muhammed Ali on Fox News. Tough to watch him. Talking better than I last heard him though. Paltalk: ==================================================== Get 12 FREE CDs! Click for Details, CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! ==================================================== Paltalk: Please support our sponsors by clicking on banners. (02:39 PM) jimbo_320: this is getting tedious ! (02:40 PM) ppusa: broke out from 82...had to hit the stops (02:41 PM) Tom_B: torturous (02:41 PM) elly_34: is that 9 min daniel? (02:41 PM) ppusa: now what's next (02:42 PM) Tom_B: I'm out of donations (02:43 PM) ppusa: all a trader needed to do today was realize everyone wanted to buy and they weren't going to make it easy!!! (02:45 PM) dave_b_quik: a random walk kinda day (02:45 PM) Tom_B: walk on my face (02:45 PM) ppusa: haha (02:46 PM) ppusa: sorry to hear that Tom (02:46 PM) Tom_B: I'm holding on to yesterdays thoughts (02:46 PM) ppusa: but still funny Paltalk: ==================================================== Get 4 DVDs for 49¢ each plush s&h. 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I was in a cabin on Orcas Island in Puget Sound when disaster hit on 9/11. No tv, no radio. Found out several hours after. (02:53 PM) dave_b_quik: ah, the simple life (02:53 PM) skyprince_1: jimmer...where on Orcas? (02:54 PM) Gorillatrader: nice jimmer, just what we need (02:54 PM) jimmer49: Beach Haven, about 2 miles from Eastsound. (02:54 PM) skyprince_1: Oh yeah...no it...is Bilbo's still in Eastsound? (02:55 PM) jimmer49: Don't recall Bilbo's (02:56 PM) skyprince_1: Outside courtyard....Mexican faire....using fresh island herbs. spices...hope they didn't go belly up. (02:56 PM) Tom_B: shrt Paltalk: ==================================================== Get your FREE credit report @ ConsumerInfo.Com! 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(03:01 PM) ppusa: i use 30 (03:01 PM) Tom_B: ok, tnx, i'll ck it out (03:02 PM) ppusa: If you look at the tick chart you can see every retro style signal is close to a "V" bottom or top meaning they reverse (03:02 PM) ppusa: but you have to compress the lines together (03:03 PM) ppusa: i use bar spacing of one or two Ensign (03:04 PM) ppusa: not all retro style signals but the retro SINGLE line signals (03:04 PM) larrybf: thanks for the answer jimmer.Do you set a minimum width that the bands have to be in order to use them as indicators? (03:05 PM) jimmer49: larry - on 1 min must be 5 or better on NQ to be worth doing, On 3m 10 or more. Paltalk: ==================================================== Britney,Dido,Outkast,+ MORE! 12 CDs Free + s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! ==================================================== Paltalk: Press the INVITE button NOW! Get your friends in on the fun! Invite them to join us on PalTalk today! (03:07 PM) larrybf: thanks jimmer. i use 3min charts. good to know so i avoid the bands when they are compressed in "squeeze" mode (03:08 PM) jimbo_320: zzzz (03:08 PM) ppusa: long (03:09 PM) ppusa: out (03:10 PM) jimbo_320: pp i blinked and missed that trade lol (03:10 PM) ppusa: same here (03:10 PM) ppusa: blind orders (03:11 PM) ppusa: long (03:12 PM) ppusa: // (03:12 PM) ppusa: \\ (03:12 PM) jimbo_320: 10 pt range in 3 min on that last candle (03:13 PM) ppusa: You can draw a TL over the last 3 highs (03:13 PM) ppusa: anyone wants to go long wait for it to break??? (03:13 PM) jimbo_320: not me (03:14 PM) ppusa: oout (03:14 PM) tomsurf: GT- not on buddy list so Paltalk not letting me respond (03:15 PM) ppusa: Buffy u there? (03:15 PM) ppusa: here (03:16 PM) Gorillatrader: try now (03:16 PM) ppusa: triangle nq (03:16 PM) Gorillatrader: Buffy having connection problems Paltalk: ==================================================== Get 4 DVDs for 49¢ each plus s&h. 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(03:24 PM) ppusa: y (03:24 PM) GGriz: I just got back toooo (03:24 PM) Buffy_04364: 73 (03:24 PM) GGriz: pretty choppy (03:24 PM) GGriz: Hi (03:25 PM) Buffy_04364: what TF ppusa? (03:25 PM) GGriz: this looks like a box to me (03:25 PM) Buffy_04364: ticki data not all there! (03:25 PM) ppusa: triangle turned into a box (03:25 PM) GGriz: expiration thrashing on es (03:26 PM) GGriz: thrashing Paltalk: ==================================================== Credit report online. Always private, always secure, get yours FREE from ConsumerInfo.Com! 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(03:37 PM) ppusa: ggriz (03:37 PM) GGriz: k Paltalk: ==================================================== Get 12 FREE CDs! Click for Details, CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! ==================================================== (03:37 PM) GGriz: I was dumped off and missed it all (03:37 PM) Buffy_04364: you are here (03:37 PM) luv-to-trade: what in the world is holding up the nq? (03:37 PM) Buffy_04364: nothing on its way down (03:37 PM) luv-to-trade: well, I guess nothing now....... (03:38 PM) GGriz: can I sell the bottom of this bar? (03:38 PM) ppusa: d o w 3 7 1 m i n u s (03:38 PM) ppusa: time to buy (03:38 PM) ppusa: patriiots (03:38 PM) Buffy_04364: pyra so close to yesterdays reversal interesting watching (03:39 PM) ppusa: i wish you had been watching that triangle with me (03:39 PM) ppusa: you are good with those (03:39 PM) luv-to-trade: didn't the reversal up start before this tho? (03:39 PM) Buffy_04364: sorry me too though (03:39 PM) ppusa: on the triangle? (03:39 PM) Buffy_04364: would of been ready for short (03:40 PM) GGriz: mee too (03:40 PM) ppusa: luv? (03:40 PM) Gorillatrader: the support at 1181 broken, good short entry (03:40 PM) luv-to-trade: didn't yesterday's reversal up start earlier than this? (03:40 PM) ppusa: here comes the cavalry (03:41 PM) skyprince_1: yes... (03:42 PM) luv-to-trade: not calvary; bottom-fisshers (03:42 PM) luv-to-trade: fishers (03:43 PM) ppusa: grab a pole (03:44 PM) ppusa: if nq breaks 1180 same pattern as yesterday (03:44 PM) ppusa: ififififif (03:45 PM) skyprince_1: Short covering coming in... (03:47 PM) GGriz: guess I won't try nuttin (03:47 PM) GGriz: worriec about getting dumped again Paltalk: ==================================================== Get 4 DVDs for 49¢ each plush s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ¢ EACH! ==================================================== (03:47 PM) GGriz: foooooey (03:47 PM) skyprince_1: Yeah...lots of nervous traders.... (03:48 PM) GGriz: flame me somebody, feels like I am talking to myself (03:48 PM) GGriz: Lol (03:48 PM) Tom_B: Talking Heads, "Psycho Trader" (03:48 PM) elly_34: bye all see u tomorrow (03:48 PM) skyprince_1: :) (03:48 PM) Buffy_04364: bye elly (03:48 PM) GGriz: bye (03:48 PM) Tom_B: bye (03:51 PM) ppusa: here we go again (03:52 PM) ppusa: tooo burnt out to trade agan today (03:53 PM) ppusa: ? (03:53 PM) ppusa: gap open (03:53 PM) Tom_B: brble, brble (03:53 PM) ppusa: Tom did you check out that tick chart? (03:53 PM) Tom_B: got it on the screen (03:54 PM) ppusa: Ensign? (03:54 PM) luv-to-trade: looks like no calvary today; gonna close near lows (03:54 PM) ppusa: 5 minutes to go luv (03:55 PM) Tom_B: y, Ensign (03:55 PM) ppusa: see all the V's? (03:55 PM) luv-to-trade: even if it shoots up 100, it will still be closer to lows than highs for today (03:55 PM) Tom_B: y (03:56 PM) Buffy_04364: what TF on the tick chart ppusa and tom (03:56 PM) ppusa: Dow i guess (03:56 PM) ppusa: Not quite the same for nq (03:56 PM) ppusa: 30 tick (03:56 PM) ppusa: no time frame (03:57 PM) Tom_B: 30 tic Paltalk: ==================================================== Get your FREE credit report @ ConsumerInfo.Com! 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(04:04 PM) ppusa: the company gets it (04:04 PM) dave_b_quik: no broker (04:04 PM) ppusa: who needs dancing girls when we have buffy (04:04 PM) dave_b_quik: :-) (04:04 PM) Orprepus: now now (04:04 PM) barbarra: anyone trade with IB ? (04:04 PM) dave_b_quik: y (04:05 PM) Buffy_04364: :-) (04:05 PM) Tom_B: anyone use those ensign bands ? (04:05 PM) luv-to-trade: brb (04:05 PM) ppusa: when all this crap is through i will ask them to pick us all up and fly us to a beach. (04:05 PM) dave_b_quik: the uniform channels? (04:06 PM) Tom_B: they'll be at the beach.. (04:06 PM) Buffy_04364: the colored ones right tom (04:06 PM) Buffy_04364: that can be at bottom or top of chart? (04:06 PM) Tom_B: y, on top (04:06 PM) Buffy_04364: I have played with them some (04:06 PM) Tom_B: red, grn (04:06 PM) Buffy_04364: why? (04:06 PM) Buffy_04364: yes (04:06 PM) Buffy_04364: RAZ posted charts uses them a lot but still don't know who RAZ is (04:07 PM) ppusa: 50 cents says market opens higher and no one has a chance to get in who didn't get in today (04:07 PM) Tom_B: do they change after the fact, like a disappearing signal ? Paltalk: To visit our sponsors, click on banners! Paltalk: ==================================================== Britney,Dido,Outkast,+ MORE! 12 CDs Free + s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! ==================================================== (04:07 PM) Gene417: trying to find kingfish--anyone seen him (04:07 PM) dave_b_quik: hasn't come around in a month or so (04:08 PM) skyprince_1: Big (04:08 PM) Buffy_04364: I don't know if they a work in progress until the close of bar or not tom (04:08 PM) skyprince_1: Bib bettor ppusa! I'll raise ya to $1 (04:08 PM) ppusa: goodbye all, burnt here (04:08 PM) Buffy_04364: sorry (04:08 PM) Buffy_04364: bye ppusa (04:08 PM) Tom_B: bye (04:08 PM) Tom_B: tnx,i hve them on a tic chrt (04:08 PM) Buffy_04364: howard not on right now (04:08 PM) Buffy_04364: he disappeared while I was unable to connect (04:14 PM) GGriz: when do we get the new ver? (04:14 PM) GGriz: today still? (04:14 PM) Buffy_04364: working with it now (04:14 PM) Buffy_04364: I don't know GGriz (04:14 PM) Buffy_04364: howard not around (04:14 PM) Buffy_04364: what size tick (04:15 PM) Buffy_04364: he most probably didn't realize I wasn't connected and wondered why I did not answer Paltalk: ==================================================== Get 4 DVDs for 49¢ each plus s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ¢ EACH! ==================================================== (04:17 PM) skyprince_1: Thnks all...learn more each day...today was tough, but still profitable...room helps... 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CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ¢ EACH! ==================================================== Paltalk: ==================================================== Credit report online. Always private, always secure, get yours FREE from ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! ==================================================== (05:31 PM) Ensign Software: buffy, I think I found the cross over where in a window in a layout would get different studies and properties. I found a short sequence that would give me the problem by going to the chart properties window. The cross over confusion has been resolved and a new beta will be posted shortly. Paltalk: Your friends are just a click away! Press the invite button NOW! Paltalk: ==================================================== Get 12 FREE CDs! 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(06:12 PM) tommy_159: i am on another PC (06:12 PM) tommy_159: I dont have the web site (06:12 PM) Buffy_04364: http://www.dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart.com/charts/2001-09-20/Buffy-4m%20pyra1.gif (06:12 PM) tommy_159: thanks (06:13 PM) Ensign Software: ok, 1 sub window with STO 45 label (06:13 PM) Ensign Software: yes (06:13 PM) Ensign Software: 80 and 20 (06:14 PM) Ensign Software: is this window also in December? (06:14 PM) Ensign Software: let me open December and check myself (06:15 PM) Ensign Software: 1 moment (06:16 PM) Ensign Software: 4-min in Dec has the Sto grid lines, but no OBV I think you said you added OBV after sending me the Dec workspace (06:17 PM) Ensign Software: I will add OBV and resave and reopen 1 moment (06:18 PM) Ensign Software: ok, resaved with OBV and changed to 2nd wkspace and back to Dec and all came back fine. good. (06:19 PM) Ensign Software: the EMA are on the chart (06:19 PM) Ensign Software: is that correct? 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Always private, always secure, get yours FREE from ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! ==================================================== (06:31 PM) Buffy_04364: hi roger (06:31 PM) Roger Schelling: hi (06:32 PM) Buffy_04364: can u hear me? (06:32 PM) Roger Schelling: can you here me? (06:32 PM) Buffy_04364: no can't hear you brb (06:32 PM) luv-to-trade: I hear both of you (06:36 PM) luv-to-trade: Is there anyone in here that does the retro? I was going thru yesterday's stats line-by-line, and had a question (06:36 PM) Buffy_04364: can u hear me luv (06:37 PM) luv-to-trade: I hear you Paltalk: Please support our sponsors by clicking on banners. (06:37 PM) luv-to-trade: did you understand? (06:37 PM) luv-to-trade: 10:17 sold 1238 (06:38 PM) luv-to-trade: 11:42 got out because of higher low on 5 minute bar (06:39 PM) luv-to-trade: ya (06:40 PM) luv-to-trade: 10:35 higher low Paltalk: ==================================================== Get 12 FREE CDs! 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(09:03 PM) Buffy_04364: there is one now (09:03 PM) Buffy_04364: espl (09:04 PM) Buffy_04364: there has been many many upgrades just since april (09:04 PM) Buffy_04364: no problems here (09:04 PM) Buffy_04364: testing a beta right now with many changes (09:04 PM) Buffy_04364: will be able to email workspaces like qcharts (09:05 PM) Buffy_04364: much more user friendly since I left qcharts in april (09:05 PM) laniermasters: pres. starting to speak (09:05 PM) Buffy_04364: I remember that (09:05 PM) Buffy_04364: tks lanier Paltalk: Please support our sponsors by clicking on banners. (09:09 PM) Buffy_04364: ok np Paltalk: ==================================================== Get your FREE credit report @ ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! ==================================================== Paltalk: ==================================================== Britney,Dido,Outkast,+ MORE! 12 CDs Free + s&h. 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I thought we'd have a bounce this morning and went long the DOW before the open. Mistake. (09:43 PM) Buffy_04364: yep (09:44 PM) laniermasters: I think the person who put up the chart saying next change of Trend probably w/o 10/19 is correct. I picked 3rd week of October some time back as significant several months ago. I think the volitility will settle down then. (09:44 PM) laniermasters: What that means the market will do, I don't know. (09:44 PM) Buffy_04364: PA rules (09:45 PM) laniermasters: I need to get into PA at some point. Now am enjoying seeing your charts on dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart.com. (09:46 PM) Buffy_04364: glad you like them (09:46 PM) Buffy_04364: tks (09:46 PM) laniermasters: you're welcome (09:47 PM) Buffy_04364: we are trying to sort charts so easier to find stuff (09:48 PM) laniermasters: I can hear you on this machine, if you want to talk. I just haven't figured out why the mic won't work on it. TradeStation hates other programs, so I finally quit running anything else on the laptop with TradeStation. (09:48 PM) laniermasters: Sooner or later I'll get a new desktop. (09:48 PM) laniermasters: Don't you have about 3 already? (09:49 PM) trader_Cheri: is Hanksterr in here? (09:49 PM) laniermasters: That makes sense. (09:50 PM) laniermasters: That sounds ideal. Why dual video cards? Paltalk: ==================================================== Get 12 FREE CDs! Click for Details, CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! ==================================================== (09:50 PM) laniermasters: Do you ever worry about radiation from all the eqpt? (09:51 PM) trader_Cheri: geez, I never thought about it, I think I'm a gonner (09:51 PM) laniermasters: Are you surrounded also? (09:53 PM) laniermasters: I have my 2 monitors with the tv in between. I love my setup also. (09:53 PM) laniermasters: I just wish everything worked all the time! (09:54 PM) laniermasters: Did you trade today? (09:55 PM) Buffy_04364: phone brb (09:55 PM) laniermasters: I think I need to stop thinking and just trade retro, follow the rules, make no judgments. I get too analytical. (09:55 PM) laniermasters: And figure out something will probably happen that doesn't! Paltalk: ==================================================== Get 4 DVDs for 49¢ each plush s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ¢ EACH! ==================================================== (10:02 PM) Buffy_04364: here (10:02 PM) Buffy_04364: that is what GT would say LOL (10:03 PM) laniermasters: I need to talk to him about TradeStation sometime. (10:03 PM) Buffy_04364: that is what he uses (10:04 PM) Buffy_04364: he was suppose to be in here tonight to talk about my system but he got sidetracked (10:04 PM) Buffy_04364: which is no problem here (10:04 PM) Buffy_04364: for sure (10:04 PM) laniermasters: another time (10:05 PM) Buffy_04364: k (10:05 PM) Buffy_04364: he wasnts to understnd it (10:05 PM) Buffy_04364: to incorporate into retro I think or some of it (10:05 PM) Buffy_04364: might be too thinking for him LOL (10:08 PM) laniermasters: would be interesting to program something down the road. (10:08 PM) Buffy_04364: that is his goal I think Paltalk: You DO have a choice! Buy bannerless to end your popup blues today! Click OPTIONS on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. Only $9.95 a year! That's less than THREE CENTS per day! WOW!!! (10:09 PM) laniermasters: right now TradeStation won't open any of my save workspaces/charts, etc., so I'm not too happy with it at the moment. (10:09 PM) Buffy_04364: I bet you aren't (10:10 PM) laniermasters: I think it hates my laptop, but the desktop is too slow for it. Paltalk: ==================================================== Get your FREE credit report @ ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! ==================================================== (10:11 PM) Buffy_04364: mine is only a 450 and 500 mz (10:13 PM) laniermasters: desktop is 400 w/ 256 memory; Laptop is 700 mhz and 512 memory. It's great. The display screen is even better than the 21" that goes with the desktop. (10:13 PM) Buffy_04364: my 500 win9SE has the 256 and the win2k450 has the 512 (10:15 PM) laniermasters: more memory really helps. (10:15 PM) Buffy_04364: sure does (10:16 PM) laniermasters: do you have windows 98 on one machine? (10:16 PM) Buffy_04364: yes (10:18 PM) Buffy_04364: the one that does this and the net etc (10:18 PM) Buffy_04364: bridge on the zone etc (10:19 PM) laniermasters: did you ever try Ensign with Win 98? (10:19 PM) Buffy_04364: no I haven't (10:20 PM) laniermasters: any kinkly little problems with Window 98 and the program, besides the monitors? (10:21 PM) laniermasters: I wondering if my problems aren't as much Win 98 as with TradeStation. (10:21 PM) laniermasters: great Paltalk: ==================================================== Britney,Dido,Outkast,+ MORE! 12 CDs Free + s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! ==================================================== (10:22 PM) laniermasters: At this point I can't figure out how to reload the software. - Sounds like it. (10:22 PM) laniermasters: I'll switch to other machine. brb. (10:24 PM) Buffy_04364: can u hear me? (10:26 PM) Buffy_04364: brb (10:29 PM) laniermasters: buffy didn't hear you Paltalk: ==================================================== Get 4 DVDs for 49¢ each plus s&h. 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(10:55 PM) Buffy_04364: yes (10:56 PM) Buffy_04364: that is what we are talking about (10:56 PM) Buffy_04364: it is bad (10:57 PM) Gorillatrader: I have a friend that has it, can't get rid of it even with McAfee (10:57 PM) Buffy_04364: oh great GT (10:57 PM) Buffy_04364: not nice (11:01 PM) Buffy_04364: I like that Paltalk: ==================================================== Get 4 DVDs for 49¢ each plush s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ¢ EACH! ==================================================== (11:04 PM) Gorillatrader: http://www.tradestation.com/tscom/TSupgrade.asp?Get=1 (11:04 PM) Buffy_04364: I am so glad it is raining here finally (11:04 PM) Buffy_04364: hope it rains all day tomorrow (11:05 PM) laniermasters: thanks! (11:06 PM) GGriz: help yourself, I need some sun to get the boat work done (11:06 PM) laniermasters: switching computers (11:07 PM) Gorillatrader: www.tradestationpro.com/tscom/firstlogon.asp Paltalk: Subscribe to Paltalk Plus to stop the popups today! Get it NOW for less than THREE CENTS a day! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. Paltalk: ==================================================== Get your FREE credit report @ ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! ==================================================== (11:19 PM) laniermasters: just got back online (without the mic). Do you have retro programmed in easy language? (11:20 PM) Gorillatrader: nope (11:23 PM) laniermasters: so you change stop every 3 minutes - (11:23 PM) Gorillatrader: you can Paltalk: ==================================================== Britney,Dido,Outkast,+ MORE! 12 CDs Free + s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! ==================================================== (11:25 PM) GGriz: you doubled (11:26 PM) GGriz: GT how do you? what method? (11:26 PM) Gorillatrader: http://www.tradestation.com/tscom/TSupgrade.asp?Get=1 (11:26 PM) GGriz: thought you were talking about trading a 3m chart (11:27 PM) GGriz: roger (11:28 PM) GGriz: that's what I am trying to do too (11:28 PM) laniermasters: what's the site? (11:28 PM) GGriz: I had the demo (11:28 PM) Gorillatrader: www.fibonaccitrader.com (11:28 PM) laniermasters: thx (11:29 PM) GGriz: Buffy, will my eSig feed work for the live quotes at Best? (11:29 PM) Buffy_04364: yes (11:29 PM) GGriz: auto or do I have to set it up with them? (11:30 PM) Buffy_04364: auto (11:32 PM) Buffy_04364: it did today on ppusa (11:32 PM) Buffy_04364: I believe (11:35 PM) laniermasters: do you think it's less risky to trade the grains, meats & bonds? Paltalk: ==================================================== Get 4 DVDs for 49¢ each plus s&h. 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(11:44 PM) Gorillatrader: need a written Trading Plan with a robust methodology (11:45 PM) Gorillatrader: no favorites (11:45 PM) laniermasters: thanks Paltalk: ==================================================== Credit report online. Always private, always secure, get yours FREE from ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! ==================================================== (11:47 PM) laniermasters: will these new products be electronic 24 hr trading day? (11:48 PM) Buffy_04364: that kind of flip flops (11:49 PM) laniermasters: true (11:49 PM) Gorillatrader: yes, 24hrs (11:49 PM) laniermasters: thx (11:52 PM) laniermasters: life of luxury.... (11:52 PM) Buffy_04364: you guys are cracking me up (11:52 PM) Buffy_04364: wrong time of year to go back to that (11:55 PM) Buffy_04364: that is true Paltalk: ==================================================== Get 12 FREE CDs! 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(08:34 AM) GGriz: ensign beta (08:35 AM) Tom_B: Don't know, not familiar with Ensign (08:35 AM) Tom_B: sry (08:35 AM) GGriz: k thanks Paltalk: ==================================================== Get 4 DVDs for 49¢ each plus s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ¢ EACH! ==================================================== Paltalk: Multivideo has been activated in all Paltalk groups!!! With Paltalk 4.0 (available from our beta link on our homepage), you can see up to three people in every group. Paltalk Plus subscribers can see people in full motion video. Paltalk: ==================================================== Credit report online. Always private, always secure, get yours FREE from ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! ==================================================== (08:47 AM) GGriz: Buffy, morning, HELP! (08:48 AM) Buffy_04364: wow this is the worst opening I have seen (08:48 AM) Buffy_04364: morning GGriz (08:48 AM) Buffy_04364: what is wrong? (08:48 AM) GGriz: new beta won't update tick bars (08:48 AM) GGriz: it erases studies (08:48 AM) Buffy_04364: my 30T is updating fine here (08:48 AM) Buffy_04364: when did you download it (08:48 AM) GGriz: won't allow change from all sessions to day sessions only (08:49 AM) Buffy_04364: after 5PM EST (08:49 AM) GGriz: last night (08:49 AM) GGriz: yes (08:49 AM) GGriz: I deleted bars on one timeframe, it won't fill them in (08:49 AM) GGriz: any way to force tick server update? (08:49 AM) GGriz: I sent not to Howard (08:50 AM) elly_34: good morning (08:50 AM) Buffy_04364: well interesting on that one - you are right won't let go of day session only once checked (08:51 AM) Buffy_04364: hi elly (08:51 AM) Buffy_04364: did you try closing and reopening the workspace without saving it to get tick charts back? (08:52 AM) GGriz: will try that (08:53 AM) Buffy_04364: good luck (08:54 AM) GGriz: doesn't work (08:54 AM) GGriz: also, can't open charts from the second button (08:54 AM) Buffy_04364: ick (08:54 AM) Buffy_04364: :-( (08:56 AM) Buffy_04364: I seem to be able to open (08:56 AM) Buffy_04364: what were you trying to open? (08:56 AM) Buffy_04364: what is your tick server set for for time? (08:57 AM) GGriz: 1 day (08:57 AM) GGriz: I tried 2 hours, no go (08:57 AM) Buffy_04364: k Paltalk: ==================================================== Get 12 FREE CDs! Click for Details, CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! ==================================================== (08:57 AM) GGriz: you can double click a chart time on the second button and a chart opens? (08:58 AM) Buffy_04364: that is weird because my 30T is working well (08:58 AM) GGriz: don't delete bars on it (08:58 AM) Buffy_04364: yes (08:58 AM) GGriz: it won't refill (08:59 AM) Buffy_04364: just opened a nq z1 -150 chart (08:59 AM) Buffy_04364: unusual to be so different unless the deleting bars effected everything (09:00 AM) Buffy_04364: which doesn' t sound like howard (09:00 AM) Buffy_04364: plus no prob deleting bars in last beta (09:01 AM) Buffy_04364: I am sorry GGriz don't know what to tell you (09:03 AM) GGriz: ok thanks Paltalk: ==================================================== Get 4 DVDs for 49¢ each plush s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ¢ EACH! ==================================================== (09:07 AM) GGriz: Buffy, if you open setup, what does it say under data feed ?? (09:08 AM) Buffy_04364: looking (09:09 AM) Buffy_04364: you mean connection? (09:09 AM) GGriz: yes (09:09 AM) Buffy_04364: esignal internet (09:09 AM) klonerdoug: well i foolishly shorted gap down yd when it partially filled...not today (09:09 AM) Buffy_04364: beep on connect (09:09 AM) Buffy_04364: auto run data manager (09:09 AM) GGriz: under data feed (09:09 AM) Buffy_04364: all but last one checked on servers (09:10 AM) Buffy_04364: status is subscriber (09:10 AM) Buffy_04364: gives the packets I am receiving and length (09:10 AM) Buffy_04364: nothing in boxes to right (09:10 AM) GGriz: ok well I am on a trial and it says data feed not available (09:10 AM) Buffy_04364: so it is an esignal problem? (09:10 AM) Buffy_04364: they are open now (09:11 AM) GGriz: no, ew not recognizing that it is connected (09:11 AM) Buffy_04364: is your data manager green? (09:11 AM) GGriz: I am getting the data (09:11 AM) Buffy_04364: that is nuts (09:11 AM) GGriz: yes Paltalk: Click banners to visit our sponsors. (09:11 AM) Buffy_04364: have you rebooted? (09:12 AM) GGriz: yes (09:12 AM) Buffy_04364: did you shut ensign down? (09:12 AM) Buffy_04364: I didn't (09:12 AM) GGriz: yes (09:12 AM) Buffy_04364: wonder if that is the dif (09:12 AM) Buffy_04364: I leave it up all week and only shut down on friday (09:12 AM) GGriz: I installed last night, ran the updates, and shut down (09:13 AM) Buffy_04364: well at least we have the clue card for Howard (09:13 AM) GGriz: I updated my browser protections (09:13 AM) GGriz: seems like it's just me with the trial version (09:13 AM) Buffy_04364: do you still have the exe off? (09:13 AM) Buffy_04364: I have it too GGriz (09:14 AM) GGriz: yes (09:14 AM) Buffy_04364: wonder if it needs it? (09:14 AM) Buffy_04364: did you run yesterday with it off also? (09:15 AM) GGriz: actually, I just checked and exe was left on, so that's not it (09:15 AM) Buffy_04364: so we both have the new beta and only dif I see is you shut it down and I didn't (09:16 AM) Buffy_04364: at least so far (09:16 AM) Buffy_04364: there is not a problem going from all sessions to day session but there is going back to all sessions (09:16 AM) Buffy_04364: I agree with you on that one (09:17 AM) Orprepus: me too buffy (09:17 AM) GGriz: is it erasing the studies? (09:17 AM) Buffy_04364: I don't know about studies but does the template (09:17 AM) Buffy_04364: just put it back on here Paltalk: ==================================================== Get your FREE credit report @ ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! ==================================================== (09:17 AM) tomsurf: Good morning all- Limit Down numbers for today are ES 924.30 and NQ 1078.5 (09:18 AM) Orprepus: can not view any globex data screen is blank (09:18 AM) beanman_1: buffy, are you and Orp having problems with Beta (09:18 AM) Daniel X: thnx tom (09:18 AM) Orprepus: yes (09:18 AM) beanman_1: I am losing studies when I switch back and forth to day session... (09:18 AM) beanman_1: already sent Howard 3 email... (09:18 AM) Buffy_04364: mine isn't even switching back to all sessions (09:19 AM) beanman_1: same here. (09:19 AM) klonerdoug: thanx tom (09:19 AM) Orprepus: me too and can not see all of globex data (09:19 AM) beanman_1: Wish I saved the older version...from 9/18 (09:19 AM) Buffy_04364: Orprepus were you here when GGriz found "trial" in his connection setup? (09:19 AM) Orprepus: studies ok just data for me on 4m (09:20 AM) Orprepus: no (09:20 AM) Buffy_04364: the diff being I didn't shut down and he did (09:20 AM) Orprepus: me subscriber (09:20 AM) Buffy_04364: did you shut it down orprepus? (09:20 AM) beanman_1: good idea.. I will beboot (09:21 AM) beanman_1: Orp.. you are Da' Man (09:21 AM) Orprepus: will try (09:21 AM) Buffy_04364: he has data problems also (09:21 AM) Buffy_04364: I don't with the tick charts (09:22 AM) beanman_1: buffy, can you pull up a 5 min chart of ES Z1 (09:22 AM) Buffy_04364: lost you guys here on why reboot (09:22 AM) Buffy_04364: did I miss something (09:22 AM) Orprepus: when going for all session on my daily chart - window is black (09:22 AM) Buffy_04364: hope it works (09:22 AM) beanman_1: Buffy, can you bring up 5 min chart of ES Z1 (09:22 AM) Buffy_04364: did you download after 5pm EST last night? (09:22 AM) Buffy_04364: trying (09:22 AM) beanman_1: yes (09:23 AM) Buffy_04364: yes I can beanman (09:23 AM) Buffy_04364: from the second button in from the left (09:23 AM) Buffy_04364: I did not shut it down last night (09:23 AM) beanman_1: Can you mazimize and then look back a couple of weeks.. do you have any days where price was zero? (09:24 AM) Buffy_04364: 7/9/01 (09:24 AM) Buffy_04364: day session (09:24 AM) beanman_1: that sounds about right.. I shut EW .. (09:24 AM) beanman_1: yes (09:25 AM) Orprepus: shut down ew and now globex dat shows amazing?? (09:25 AM) Orprepus: oh my is this ugly (09:25 AM) beanman_1: Brb.. rebooting.. (09:25 AM) Orprepus: studies still there (09:25 AM) Buffy_04364: get the emails off to howard guys (09:26 AM) Orprepus: thanks buffy (09:26 AM) Buffy_04364: he didn't like me being spokesperson cause of vocabulary problem LOL (09:26 AM) Buffy_04364: clicking on workspaces, not resaving and then clicking on open with the workspace you want might work also (09:27 AM) Buffy_04364: you want highlighted (09:27 AM) Daniel X: well 1125 was pivot support 2 Paltalk: ==================================================== Britney,Dido,Outkast,+ MORE! 12 CDs Free + s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! ==================================================== (09:28 AM) Daniel X: 1100!! (09:29 AM) Daniel X: PPUSA u riding thing thing down alread aren't u? (09:30 AM) Buffy_04364: going to watch this one for a bit I think (09:30 AM) Buffy_04364: haven't ever seen it before (09:30 AM) jimbo_320: holy cow (09:30 AM) Buffy_04364: amazing isn't it Jimbo (09:30 AM) Buffy_04364: fear of war is all I can find (09:31 AM) Buffy_04364: NYC is going to invest 800 million from it's pension funds into the equities markets - but they don't say when that will happen (09:31 AM) jimbo_320: 40 point es gap (09:31 AM) Buffy_04364: that is from my son (09:31 AM) Buffy_04364: no clue whre he got it (09:31 AM) Buffy_04364: sure messes up the charts (09:32 AM) jimbo_320: could make for an exciting day (09:32 AM) Buffy_04364: no clue on that one Jimbo (09:34 AM) jimbo_320: i have trin at 17, is that right (09:35 AM) mgkrebs: trin 7.77 (09:35 AM) tomsurf: TRIN here is 7.31 (09:35 AM) jimbo_320: did you can a max of 17? (09:35 AM) tomsurf: but it is always whacky at the open so readings are of lirttle use till some time goes by (09:37 AM) larrybf: anybob (09:37 AM) larrybf: hello? Paltalk: ==================================================== Get 4 DVDs for 49¢ each plus s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ¢ EACH! ==================================================== (09:38 AM) rich012: hi larry (09:38 AM) jimbo_320: softee 47 bucks WOW (09:41 AM) ppusa: long (09:41 AM) ppusa: 00 (09:41 AM) Buffy_04364: against the trend Paltalk: Love PalTalk but hate the banners and popups? Go bannerless! Only $9.95 per year! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. (09:41 AM) Buffy_04364: be careful (09:42 AM) ppusa: out (09:42 AM) Buffy_04364: hope not because of what I said (09:42 AM) Buffy_04364: you might be right (09:42 AM) ppusa: in (09:42 AM) Buffy_04364: just cautioning you (09:43 AM) ppusa: no problem (09:43 AM) Buffy_04364: you have lots more experience doing open than I do I am sure (09:44 AM) ppusa: yes, that's why there is an L on my forehead (09:44 AM) Buffy_04364: :-) (09:44 AM) jimbo_320: this must be major institutional selling (09:45 AM) Buffy_04364: one would think so (09:45 AM) larrybf: ppusa- what indicators show you to go positivenow? (09:46 AM) ppusa: sorry had my finger on the trigger (09:46 AM) ppusa: hang on (09:46 AM) larrybf: ok (09:47 AM) jimbo_320: are bonds closed? (09:47 AM) Gorillatrader: nope, trading them Paltalk: ==================================================== Credit report online. Always private, always secure, get yours FREE from ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! ==================================================== (09:48 AM) jimbo_320: ZB and ZN are closed? (09:48 AM) texskeet: Was that a long buy ? (09:48 AM) Gorillatrader: jimbo, i show them trading (09:49 AM) jimbo_320: are you on ib? (09:49 AM) jimbo_320: mine are closed (09:49 AM) Gorillatrader: its IB then (09:49 AM) ppusa: out (09:50 AM) ppusa: retro buy signal (09:51 AM) dave_b_quik: looks like ZB and ZN are working here on IB (09:52 AM) dave_b_quik: g'morning all, i just got here in time for the open, was harvesting basil this morning (09:53 AM) Daniel X: long 12.50 and 18 (09:53 AM) Daniel X: out 27 (09:54 AM) dave_b_quik: good job, daniel (09:54 AM) jimbo_320: sorry my fault, was still looking at sept contract (09:54 AM) Daniel X: thnx (09:54 AM) Daniel X: 1125 res (09:55 AM) Buffy_04364: nice Daniel (09:55 AM) Daniel X: eye on the 1 min (09:55 AM) david h_2: dave pesto? (09:56 AM) dave_b_quik: ya (09:56 AM) dave_b_quik: i think i finally planted enough this year (09:58 AM) david h_2: big job cleaning and packing Paltalk: ==================================================== Get 12 FREE CDs! Click for Details, CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! ==================================================== (09:58 AM) david h_2: I did a case last yr (09:59 AM) Daniel X: imo we'll get 1 good move today and in the am (09:59 AM) Daniel X: tough week bet hey want to go home early (10:00 AM) emini-trader: IB and ESignal way off here (10:00 AM) ppusa: LARRY i bot because of oversold V on tick chart and because of the number of pushes down and because each chart is a reflection of the daily range and resistance is closer to under the previous day's lows which was above where nq was at the time. (10:00 AM) dave_b_quik: tough day yesterday (10:01 AM) jimbo_320: up or down? (10:01 AM) dave_b_quik: couple great days this week tho (10:01 AM) rich012: emini, no difference in my esignal and IB (10:01 AM) Daniel X: yes but euphoric and exhausting Welcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders and TrendVUE.com alumni. Today's charts at www.DaCharts.com WARNING: Any trades posted here are for educational purposes only. Don't take the trades unless you understand them and can take the risk. (10:03 AM) Buffy_04364: flag on 3M? (10:03 AM) Daniel X: PPUSA HOD? (10:04 AM) Orprepus: buffy - open daily chart and my system locked up - aggghhhhh (10:04 AM) ppusa: i am thinking at least early on here Dan (10:04 AM) Buffy_04364: so sorry to hear it orprepus (10:04 AM) Daniel X: it's Buffy'd fault!!! (10:04 AM) Orprepus: don't get paid enough for sw testing (10:04 AM) Daniel X: lol (10:05 AM) ppusa: Larry what is that file? (10:05 AM) Daniel X: PP u load the truck (10:05 AM) Daniel X: ? (10:05 AM) ppusa: thinking about it Dan (10:05 AM) Daniel X: Retro stopped ib rule @ 17 (10:05 AM) elly_34: wow (10:06 AM) ppusa: i want to see them slam it and then start a rally (10:06 AM) Daniel X: oh ok (10:06 AM) Orprepus: beta 20th posted - upgraded trying going back (10:06 AM) Orprepus: did not work (10:06 AM) elly_34: daniel u use 9 min usually early, yes? (10:06 AM) Daniel X: yes (10:06 AM) elly_34: for how long pls? (10:07 AM) Daniel X: now (10:07 AM) Daniel X: roughly 10 am (10:07 AM) Tom_B: was shrt missed spike out...gosh (10:07 AM) elly_34: alright good to know Paltalk: ==================================================== Get 4 DVDs for 49¢ each plush s&h. 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(10:12 AM) jimbo_320: y (10:12 AM) Daniel X: ok (10:12 AM) jimbo_320: today is triple witching (10:12 AM) Tom_B: triple wretching (10:13 AM) klonerdoug: 8062 with a head fake double bottom there from open (10:13 AM) Daniel X: gosh shoulda coulda sold double the contracts when i exited @ 27 (10:13 AM) ppusa: i think resistance on nq is closer to yesterday's low than 1128 (10:13 AM) jimbo_320: POSTED by [MidwestSke] good morning all...have to see if they can hold the market here in the face of dynamic hedging due to triple witching. If aggressive dynamic hedging starts today DOW could be down 1000 points (10:13 AM) ppusa: meaning might get another HOD before new low (10:13 AM) Daniel X: well tues was 1143 (10:14 AM) Daniel X: was wasitng for that to go oh well (10:14 AM) Daniel X: wed sorry (10:14 AM) Daniel X: PP higher lows (10:15 AM) Daniel X: remember the last time we noticed this move (10:15 AM) ppusa: deere here (10:16 AM) Daniel X: it's almost halloween put on a bull costume (10:16 AM) ppusa: i think up but if they would bury markets first, then up i would feel a lot more comfortable about buying (10:16 AM) Orprepus: lol dan (10:16 AM) Orprepus: very dangerous to buy this thing (10:17 AM) ppusa: highest bounce after am sell off 1147.5 (10:17 AM) dave_b_quik: now ya tell me, orp (10:17 AM) ppusa: resistance there (10:17 AM) Daniel X: hod has to go (10:17 AM) ppusa: still say up first (10:17 AM) Daniel X: 1147 res from? (10:17 AM) ppusa: what happens at 1147 area is the big ? (10:17 AM) Daniel X: ok ise it Paltalk: ==================================================== Get your FREE credit report @ ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! ==================================================== (10:18 AM) Daniel X: it's my 2nd pivot support so res now (10:19 AM) Daniel X: 1126 Retro entry (10:19 AM) Daniel X: and stopped (10:20 AM) Daniel X: i'm watching a 30 min chart and everytime it hits the trend line it falls (10:22 AM) ppusa: DTN shows nq low as 110.95...I think NQ may have bottomed! (10:22 AM) pete77_1: Anyone: Is IB working? I had a bulletin some time ago said to stand by until further notice. Don't know what they mean. (10:22 AM) Daniel X: 2 to 1 buying versus selling on the 1 min (10:22 AM) jhemm: daniel..does retro go long at 1126 (10:23 AM) Daniel X: was stopped the first time already (10:23 AM) dave_b_quik: not with the "only 1 chance" rule (10:23 AM) jhemm: thks (10:25 AM) jimbo_320: 960 is top of es downtrend line on 60 (10:25 AM) dave_b_quik: i got creative and anticipated both retro buys using the 1m 2B at 9:41 and the 3m IB at 10:12, so snagged 24 while retro was floundering (10:25 AM) Daniel X: Great!! Dave (10:26 AM) Daniel X: dave_is_quik (10:26 AM) dave_b_quik: although i'm pretty good at floundering too (10:26 AM) Buffy_04364: aren't we all at one point or another :-) (10:28 AM) ppusa: Sniped retro Paltalk: ==================================================== Britney,Dido,Outkast,+ MORE! 12 CDs Free + s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! ==================================================== (10:28 AM) ppusa: the fact that nq is climbing slowly cold turn out to be very positive (10:30 AM) ppusa: HOD here? (10:30 AM) dave_b_quik: we depend on you for that info, ppusa (10:30 AM) ppusa: is HOD is not here, then could get a run up (10:31 AM) ppusa: everyday the PnF has been like it is now at HOD (10:31 AM) Daniel X: took five scalps so far (10:31 AM) jimbo_320: trin went from 17 to 0.64 (10:31 AM) tomsurf: jimbo- good eye and the tell ;-) (10:32 AM) ppusa: i bot at 26 but chickened out sold 26.5 darn it (10:32 AM) Daniel X: watch for 10:30 reversal (10:32 AM) Daniel X: lol (10:32 AM) ppusa: new high compx (10:33 AM) jimbo_320: when was the last time compx finished up on the day? (10:33 AM) jimbo_320: months? (10:33 AM) Daniel X: pre attack (10:34 AM) klonerdoug: 26 was good long trig imo ..those that had it good entry... easy to say now though (10:34 AM) ppusa: looked good then and it looks good now (10:34 AM) Daniel X: 1147 (10:34 AM) Daniel X: watchit (10:35 AM) dave_b_quik: my stop/limit on top of the NQ3m inside bar got run through :-( (10:35 AM) Daniel X: long 43 (10:35 AM) ppusa: okay there goes the 47.5 (10:36 AM) Daniel X: gap nearly filled (10:36 AM) ppusa: imo resistance here. (10:36 AM) ppusa: so nq blows through it or does (10:36 AM) Daniel X: out (10:37 AM) jimbo_320: volume well behaved today (10:37 AM) ppusa: dow is only down 80 (10:37 AM) ppusa: big up today (10:37 AM) ppusa: seen bottom (10:38 AM) Gorillatrader: 3m NQ would had you LONG at 1115 @1012 bar high. No violation of any 3m bar lows. RULES help to keep one profitable and consistent. Boring, thou. More fun to guess and get emotional and scalp (10:38 AM) ppusa: yea (10:38 AM) ppusa: today the dow responding. Other days didn't...real rally??? (10:38 AM) jimbo_320: es gap close is 85 9 off Paltalk: ==================================================== Get 4 DVDs for 49¢ each plus s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ¢ EACH! ==================================================== (10:39 AM) ppusa: dow -35 (10:39 AM) dave_b_quik: NQ gap closes at resistance from 20EMA15 (10:41 AM) ppusa: i can see green (10:41 AM) Buffy_04364: LOL gt (10:41 AM) dave_b_quik: OOPS buyers pushed it through Paltalk: Press the INVITE button NOW! Get your friends in on the fun! Invite them to join us on PalTalk today! (10:42 AM) jimbo_320: amazing day (10:43 AM) Orprepus: amazing is right (10:43 AM) dave_b_quik: did anybody catch the whole move? (10:44 AM) jimbo_320: out for es +20 (10:44 AM) Gorillatrader: posted it Dave, 1115 entry, per your rules (10:44 AM) dave_b_quik: way ta go, jimbo (10:44 AM) dave_b_quik: kudos, GT (10:44 AM) Orprepus: grat gt (10:45 AM) fcb37uk: CNBC just suggested the Fed is actively supporting. (10:45 AM) Gorillatrader: not me, you...you created the rules (10:45 AM) Buffy_04364: what date gt not showing it yet (10:45 AM) ppusa: HOD (10:46 AM) Orprepus: pp (10:46 AM) jimbo_320: now lets head back down to the bottom, weee (10:46 AM) jimbo_320: trin is 0.41 (10:47 AM) Daniel X: *&^%$#@#$%%$#@ (10:47 AM) dave_b_quik: i wonder if the 2B principle applies on a test of yd low (10:47 AM) ppusa: sold bot back (10:47 AM) ppusa: now what (10:47 AM) dave_b_quik: looks like it worked this time (10:47 AM) Orprepus: ever seen a 400pt move in the dow in 60m before anyone (10:47 AM) ppusa: didn't take out yesterday's high so what next (10:47 AM) dave_b_quik: wow! (10:48 AM) ppusa: way oversold this am (10:48 AM) Daniel X: was long at 55 sold @ 68 market no fill...couldn't sell in case i was filled couldn't get Best on the phone so took a 1 point lost $#@%^&*&^ Paltalk: ==================================================== Credit report online. Always private, always secure, get yours FREE from ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! ==================================================== (10:48 AM) ppusa: that sucks (10:49 AM) Buffy_04364: sure does (10:49 AM) elly_34: i have two identical bars on 5 min on ensign,,,know what to do? (10:49 AM) Daniel X: 7 scalps (10:49 AM) jimbo_320: these daily ranges are getting bigger we are already 15 points off the es high (10:49 AM) dave_b_quik: you can delete one, elly by putting the cursor on it and clicking D (10:50 AM) dave_b_quik: elly, check your computer clock, if that's off it can cause funny stuff like that (10:50 AM) elly_34: ty (10:50 AM) elly_34: oh it is off (10:50 AM) elly_34: where was that retro stop dave? (10:51 AM) dave_b_quik: retro got stopped out before the move (10:51 AM) Tom_B: how do u get refresh in ensign ? (10:51 AM) leont_2_1: at what level dave? (10:51 AM) dave_b_quik: change the chart to another TF and back again (10:51 AM) Tom_B: k (10:52 AM) leont_2_1: retro stop? (10:52 AM) Daniel X: well i think the day is over (10:53 AM) jimbo_320: how can anyone justify holding overnight when we have 50 point es range in a day (10:53 AM) texskeet: This will be gig day stay tooned (10:53 AM) ppusa: because if you held short this morning (10:53 AM) Daniel X: ok TEX (10:54 AM) dave_b_quik: if you consider the test of yesterday's low as a 2B, retro would be out at 1168.50 from 1140 (10:54 AM) texskeet: World bank is selling 2 1/2 % paper (10:54 AM) Daniel X: thats where i pulled the damn trigger (10:54 AM) leont_2_1: thanks (10:54 AM) jimbo_320: another +12 es points ! (10:55 AM) dave_b_quik: jimbo, when yr hot yr hot (10:55 AM) Buffy_04364: great Jimbo (10:55 AM) jimbo_320: i am taking the rest of the day off +32 two trades ### (10:56 AM) tomsurf: jimbo- well done (10:56 AM) Daniel X: good (10:56 AM) Buffy_04364: vaca time? LOL (10:57 AM) ppusa: these one bar spikes are brutal to trade (10:57 AM) dave_b_quik: you da man, jimbo (10:57 AM) Daniel X: would have been 29.5 if it wasn't for the last screw up (10:57 AM) dave_b_quik: those both ES, jimbo? (10:57 AM) jimbo_320: yes dave (10:57 AM) dave_b_quik: very nice (10:58 AM) Daniel X: have a great weekend Jimbo (10:58 AM) jimbo_320: $1600 per contract (10:58 AM) Daniel X: yep (10:58 AM) dave_b_quik: 10 contracts? Paltalk: ==================================================== Get 12 FREE CDs! Click for Details, CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! ==================================================== (10:59 AM) jimbo_320: i will be trading 10 contracts soon.... (10:59 AM) dave_b_quik: sounds like it (10:59 AM) ab_18: you can come back Monday morn with deeep pockets!!! (11:00 AM) jimbo_320: how much was that carerra ? (11:01 AM) Daniel X: which one? (11:01 AM) Daniel X: the GT3? (11:02 AM) texskeet: Is this retro short / (11:02 AM) jimbo_320: capitalism :-) (11:02 AM) Daniel X: i think PPUSA is selling his Porsche...can't drive with hooves (11:03 AM) ab_18: where's the camel buyer when we need him (11:03 AM) Daniel X: 34.50 is the short (11:03 AM) Daniel X: lol (11:03 AM) ppusa: darn it (11:04 AM) rich012: Daniel, you should dump Best (11:04 AM) texskeet: We hit 34.5 right (11:05 AM) Daniel X: i know rich i know (11:05 AM) Daniel X: could be on my end this time though (11:05 AM) jimbo_320: Going to spend the day writing auto-retro.... Be in and out, enjoy the rest of the day (11:05 AM) Cytrader: Why is that, rich? (11:06 AM) Daniel X: ok Jimbo (11:06 AM) Gorillatrader: jimbo, woth the effort (11:06 AM) Gorillatrader: worth (11:06 AM) ppusa: chop for the rest of the day (11:06 AM) Daniel X: GT r u eating? (11:06 AM) dave_b_quik: i like that philosophy, jimbo, good luck (11:06 AM) Gorillatrader: trading, my friend (11:06 AM) rich012: cy, ask daniel. He got kinda screwed. (11:07 AM) ppusa: so if we all know that now, then trade accordingly (11:07 AM) Daniel X: woth (11:07 AM) dave_b_quik: i don't know how to trade chop, ppusa, would like to learn (11:07 AM) ppusa: don't take retro signals (11:08 AM) ppusa: spike bars are fakey bars (11:08 AM) elly_34: retro 9 mn has worked (11:08 AM) ppusa: no follow through (11:08 AM) Daniel X: its what i figured chop after 1 good move..being friday and all (11:08 AM) Gorillatrader: Why trade chop? trade the trend (11:08 AM) dave_b_quik: play video games during the chop Paltalk: ==================================================== Get 4 DVDs for 49¢ each plush s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ¢ EACH! ==================================================== (11:09 AM) Daniel X: my PS2 is busted i can't play (11:09 AM) ab_18: old news: Goldman Sachs was "buying in bulk" in the SP pit last run up (11:09 AM) Gorillatrader: there are sufficient trend moves for large paychecks, unless you are trading for fun (11:09 AM) ppusa: everytime you try tio trade the trend in chop it doesn't work (11:09 AM) ppusa: there is no trend (11:09 AM) Gorillatrader: then... (11:10 AM) dave_b_quik: what TF's you use on bonds, GT? (11:10 AM) Daniel X: oh boy here we go again...now now boys (11:10 AM) ppusa: trade bounces (11:10 AM) ppusa: sell rally's buy dips (11:11 AM) Gorillatrader: Daniel, I am not going to engage in any discussions. Was trying to help less experienced traders. ppusa is an experienced trader. (11:11 AM) Daniel X: just kidding GT lol (11:11 AM) ppusa: if a triangle forms or something then you have something to deal with other than chop (11:11 AM) Daniel X: poke (11:11 AM) Daniel X: poke (11:11 AM) Daniel X: nudge Paltalk: You DO have a choice! Buy bannerless to end your popup blues today! Click OPTIONS on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. Only $9.95 a year! That's less than THREE CENTS per day! WOW!!! (11:12 AM) Gorillatrader: This is my last day here for a while. I trade for a living and going to trade accordingly. (11:12 AM) ppusa: in chop, some retro sigs are good. The ones that break from congestion ONLY (11:12 AM) Daniel X: ok GT (11:12 AM) Buffy_04364: :-( (11:12 AM) Tom_B: tnx GT for all your insights (11:12 AM) Gorillatrader: Wish you all much success in your trading endeavors (11:13 AM) dave_b_quik: thanks, GT, you are a big help to a lot of people (11:13 AM) Daniel X: thnx and you in your life GT (11:13 AM) ppusa: yes your ideas are 100 percent right in a trend (11:14 AM) ab_18: we need you couldn't you multi-task a little more? please (11:14 AM) ppusa: The problem for inexperienced traders is not being able to recognize when a trend turns to chop (11:14 AM) Daniel X: AB.. he doesn't want the distractions (11:14 AM) GGriz: Buffy: my tick server problem fixed itself (11:14 AM) fcb37uk: Thanks GT. Very helpful to beginner. (11:15 AM) ab_18: a distraction is sometimes an opportunity (11:15 AM) larrybf: 2B on the nq 3min, right? (11:15 AM) Daniel X: depends on how she looks though (11:16 AM) ppusa: short (11:16 AM) ppusa: shorted the bounce (11:16 AM) ppusa: tight stop at b/e (11:17 AM) ppusa: now this retro sig should be decent (11:17 AM) ppusa: breaking from congestion (11:17 AM) Daniel X: well that pretty much filled the gap (11:17 AM) Daniel X: so........ (11:18 AM) rich012: my esignal ES just froze. Anyone else? (11:18 AM) ppusa: i would cover on any break (11:18 AM) rich012: NQ is fine (11:18 AM) tomsurf: y (11:18 AM) GGriz: my ES quit (11:18 AM) rich012: tx, I will stop slapping the monitor! (11:18 AM) Daniel X: my ES is dead also Paltalk: ==================================================== Get your FREE credit report @ ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! ==================================================== (11:19 AM) ppusa: covered (11:19 AM) GGriz: it is esig, quotes ok in IB (11:19 AM) larrybf: nextrend data is aok (11:19 AM) ab_18: http://www.cme.com/products/index/products_index_marketsound.cfm is still going (11:19 AM) Daniel X: not for me Interquote ES is dead (11:20 AM) ab_18: dtn is dead (11:20 AM) texskeet: sp 61 (11:20 AM) Daniel X: AB ur with DTN? (11:20 AM) texskeet: 62 (11:20 AM) texskeet: 63 (11:20 AM) ab_18: y (11:20 AM) dave_b_quik: ppusa, i wonder if there's a way to define yr observation about which retro signals work (11:20 AM) GGriz: now NQ froze (11:20 AM) Daniel X: k (11:20 AM) texskeet: 63.5 (11:21 AM) rich012: nq ok here (11:21 AM) wayne_53: got knocked off PT is globex stopped (11:21 AM) texskeet: 64 (11:21 AM) dave_b_quik: still ticking on IB (11:21 AM) Daniel X: NQ still active here (11:21 AM) Tom_B: no prob esig (11:21 AM) MarkCA: Realtick 3 ES dead (11:21 AM) Tom_B: es dead (11:21 AM) ppusa: Dave I was thinking about that and I think there is (11:21 AM) dave_b_quik: eSigmal ticking here (11:21 AM) jonl: es stop ticking (11:22 AM) ppusa: I think it may have to do with MA's (11:22 AM) wayne_53: what's ES at now (11:22 AM) dave_b_quik: eager to hear it, ppusa (11:22 AM) MarkCA: 63.50 (11:22 AM) wayne_53: thnx (11:22 AM) texskeet: 63.75 (11:22 AM) Daniel X: 963.75? (11:22 AM) texskeet: 64 (11:22 AM) wayne_53: thnx (11:22 AM) ppusa: or possibly could be related to the number of bars with highs and lows (11:22 AM) texskeet: 63 (11:23 AM) texskeet: 63.5 (11:23 AM) texskeet: 64 (11:23 AM) Tom_B: dbq..you getting es esig data ok / (11:23 AM) dave_b_quik: eSignal ES stuck, NQ OK (11:23 AM) wayne_53: I'm with Best and a buddy of mine has TS Pro and both are stopped (11:23 AM) Daniel X: somethings up look at how eratic NQ is moving (11:24 AM) Tom_B: CNBC anyone ? (11:24 AM) ppusa: not erratic here? (11:24 AM) dave_b_quik: IB still ticking away on both minis (11:24 AM) Daniel X: getting 1 point gaps (11:24 AM) Daniel X: 1.5 points (11:25 AM) ppusa: erotic (11:25 AM) klonerdoug: qcharts es down too (11:25 AM) GGriz: this is G rated here ppusa (11:25 AM) dave_b_quik: eSignal hasn't crashed in quite a while, might be due (11:25 AM) rich012: not an esignal problem is other vendors are missing the data (11:26 AM) texskeet: Rats i though this was a porn sight (11:26 AM) rich012: Guess we will have a nice gap in the es data. Hate when that happens. (11:26 AM) Daniel X: anyone under 18 should not be trading! (11:26 AM) dave_b_quik: hmmm, GLOBEX must be OK or IBwouldn't be working (11:27 AM) mgkrebs: Tradestation.com no ES quotes, NQ ok (11:27 AM) dave_b_quik: gonna have to learn to read the tape with no charts (11:27 AM) rich012: there it goes (11:27 AM) rich012: es back (11:27 AM) Daniel X: ok fixed (11:27 AM) dave_b_quik: ES just started again (11:27 AM) MarkCA: RT3 back online (11:28 AM) rich012: tex, what was the low for the ES on this move down in the last 10 mins. (11:28 AM) mgkrebs: Missing 12 minutes of es data (11:28 AM) texskeet: 62 (11:28 AM) rich012: tx (11:29 AM) texskeet: esignal very slow Paltalk: ==================================================== Britney,Dido,Outkast,+ MORE! 12 CDs Free + s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! ==================================================== (11:29 AM) texskeet: ib much lower (11:29 AM) mgkrebs: es stopped again on TS (11:30 AM) texskeet: back to normal now (11:30 AM) ppusa: nq does not look good...spike bar on hour chart (11:30 AM) ppusa: dow down (11:30 AM) ppusa: another ugly day (11:31 AM) Daniel X: what was Retro's last short entry? (11:31 AM) dave_b_quik: 1133.5 (11:31 AM) Daniel X: thnx D (11:32 AM) Daniel X: 1126.66 pivot support 2 (11:32 AM) ppusa: Dave last retro was stopped yes? (11:33 AM) dave_b_quik: break of 11:00 bar was stopped, break of 11:15 bar wasn't (11:34 AM) dave_b_quik: the one ppusa said would work is still working (11:35 AM) charlessirovy: hello (11:35 AM) dave_b_quik: hey, charlie (11:35 AM) boomer_98: hi everyone, i just learning to trade minis, what is retro (11:35 AM) dave_b_quik: retro is a 15minute/5 minute breakout system posted at dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart.com (11:36 AM) ppusa: GE Emul chairman for 2 days. I had an airline with engines i build hit a building i insure blah blah blah (11:36 AM) ppusa: didn't catch it all (11:36 AM) ppusa: type it (11:36 AM) Daniel X: obal oink kaboo banack (11:37 AM) Daniel X: ? (11:37 AM) dave_b_quik: hi bubbles (11:37 AM) dave_b_quik: we're traders from all over the planet (11:37 AM) boomer_98: does everyone here trade with the retro system (11:38 AM) Daniel X: alot yes Boomer (11:38 AM) dave_b_quik: not everybody, boomer, a few are using variations of retro (11:38 AM) boomer_98: so your entries are on the 15 and exits on the 5 (11:38 AM) Gorillatrader: me from Kenya (11:38 AM) Gorillatrader: no kiding??? (11:38 AM) ppusa: Dave chop occurs midrange. maybe retro related to this (11:38 AM) Daniel X: also some use 9/3 (11:38 AM) dave_b_quik: Kurdistan? (11:39 AM) boomer_98: does she have any money she wants to invest? Paltalk: ==================================================== Get 4 DVDs for 49¢ each plus s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ¢ EACH! ==================================================== (11:39 AM) Gorillatrader: trade 1 bushel of Corn for.... (11:39 AM) dave_b_quik: thanks for your concern (11:40 AM) ppusa: Sorry Bubbles but we are working here and don't have a lot of time to chat (11:40 AM) dave_b_quik: pray for us and for Afghanistan (11:40 AM) klonerdoug: dave chart is raz44.jpg? (11:40 AM) Gorillatrader: i'm not working (11:40 AM) Gorillatrader: continue please (11:41 AM) Gorillatrader: Bubbles sounded soooo nice girl (11:41 AM) Daniel X: take care (11:41 AM) ppusa: private chat her (11:41 AM) laniermasters: Bubble Girl, thank you for your concern for all of us. (11:41 AM) Gorillatrader: me from Kenya, english not good either (11:41 AM) Daniel X: u gotta a camera? (11:41 AM) GGriz: please say something in Kurdish Paltalk: To visit our sponsors, click on banners! (11:42 AM) boomer_98: with these 15/3 or 9/3 systems, are you trading every triger over the course of the day (11:42 AM) Daniel X: in the direction of the trend only Boomer (11:42 AM) Daniel X: when one presents itself (11:43 AM) ppusa: chop chop (11:43 AM) boomer_98: so right now you would be short or close to covering (11:43 AM) Daniel X: although some try to stay out of the lunch time chop (11:44 AM) Daniel X: yes that one was pre lunch $ for the other guy (11:44 AM) boomer_98: and the number of contracts you trade would be according to the strenth of the breakout (11:44 AM) Daniel X: no not entirely (11:44 AM) Daniel X: strenght of trend (11:45 AM) Gorillatrader: boomer, very well thought question and comment (11:45 AM) Daniel X: study the rules it's all there (11:46 AM) Gorillatrader: exactly what systematic traders should do (11:46 AM) boomer_98: have to drop thekids off at school but have more questions (11:47 AM) Daniel X: i bet u do!we all did (11:48 AM) Daniel X: i'll be back in 15 mins everyone. Paltalk: ==================================================== Credit report online. Always private, always secure, get yours FREE from ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! ==================================================== Paltalk: ==================================================== Get 12 FREE CDs! Click for Details, CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! ==================================================== (12:01 PM) jack_152: http://arizona.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=1518&group=webcast (12:01 PM) jack_152: http://arizona.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=1518&group=webcast (12:01 PM) jack_152: http://arizona.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=1518&group=webcast (12:08 PM) ppusa: anyone herre? (12:09 PM) elly_34: i am (12:09 PM) Buffy_04364: yes (12:09 PM) Tom_B: didn't u meet evryone for lunch ? Paltalk: ==================================================== Get 4 DVDs for 49¢ each plush s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ¢ EACH! ==================================================== (12:09 PM) ppusa: not me (12:09 PM) ppusa: breakfast (12:09 PM) ppusa: Elly are you trading (12:09 PM) elly_34: did that last retro sh get stopped? (12:09 PM) elly_34: just trading options still (12:10 PM) elly_34: but trying to follow retro also (12:10 PM) ppusa: your 5 minute chart suggestion has had some good little trades (12:11 PM) elly_34: whose 5 min chart suggestion? (12:11 PM) ppusa: i thought yours (12:11 PM) elly_34: well i am brain dead, refresh my memory pls (12:12 PM) ppusa: retro rules 5 minute chart Paltalk: Subscribe to Paltalk Plus to stop the popups today! Get it NOW for less than THREE CENTS a day! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. (12:12 PM) ppusa: but (12:12 PM) ppusa: would have had to cover quickly or been stopped (12:12 PM) elly_34: well i had a lot of questions about reversals etc awhile back, but dunno what came of some of those conversations, because i've been a bit out of touch with retro (12:13 PM) ppusa: i'll scroll back (12:13 PM) Buffy_04364: elly I think retro can all be boiled down to higher highs and lower lows and the trend (12:13 PM) Buffy_04364: 123 - 2B all doesn't matter as they are based on it (12:13 PM) boomer_98: with the 9/3 or 15/3 systems do you follow any other indicators ie stochastics, ma etc (12:14 PM) Buffy_04364: thoughts anyone> (12:14 PM) Buffy_04364: ? (12:14 PM) Buffy_04364: retro doesn't use indicators (12:14 PM) Buffy_04364: some have added that to retro though (12:14 PM) Daniel X: EMAs for trend confirmation at most (12:14 PM) Daniel X: if any (12:15 PM) elly_34: i am now just trying to compare 9/3 with 15/5 (12:15 PM) boomer_98: so you use those indicators to let you know when the trend might reverse in case you want to start unloading part of your position (12:16 PM) elly_34: still wrestling with how not to give back huge % gains on days like today,,,big push up and shooting star gave back about 20 nq points before stopped (12:16 PM) Daniel X: no just for affirmation (12:16 PM) Buffy_04364: position is only sold on price action (12:16 PM) Buffy_04364: not making higher high or lower low depending on trend (12:17 PM) Daniel X: i know elly some of us lock in points others cut 1/2 the position etc etc (12:18 PM) boomer_98: is this system specific to futures or is it univeral ie stocks (12:18 PM) ppusa: what is a shooting star? (12:18 PM) Daniel X: no one does as well as Retro but it has helped everyone increase profits (12:18 PM) elly_34: daniel, do you use a point trail stop ever? (12:18 PM) Daniel X: no Elly (12:19 PM) elly_34: 9 min long entry went for 50 pts (12:19 PM) Daniel X: finger on market button only (12:19 PM) ppusa: yea if i had been looking at retro this morning i would have held my 1100 long Paltalk: ==================================================== Get your FREE credit report @ ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! ==================================================== (12:19 PM) elly_34: 9 min kicked 15 min early on (12:20 PM) boomer_98: when you get a trigger are you entering the trade with market order? (12:20 PM) Daniel X: yes Elly and i scalped it for 29 on 2 contracts..but the last 13 points was a Best screwup and instead i ended up +16 (12:21 PM) elly_34: nice Welcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders and TrendVUE.com alumni. Today's charts at www.DaCharts.com WARNING: Any trades posted here are for educational purposes only. Don't take the trades unless you understand them and can take the risk. (12:23 PM) Gorillatrader: no guessing, no thinking, no patterns to guess (12:23 PM) ppusa: So how do you know (12:23 PM) Gorillatrader: don't care, manage trade with stops, rules get you in and get you out. (12:23 PM) ppusa: why take one signal and not another (12:23 PM) Gorillatrader: take all signals (12:24 PM) Gorillatrader: filter them with rules (12:24 PM) ppusa: what signal arre you looking for ow (12:24 PM) ppusa: now (12:24 PM) Buffy_04364: then when stopped determine chop is now present (12:24 PM) Gorillatrader: not calling plays..useless exercise. (12:24 PM) dave_b_quik: buffy knows it choppy without spending $100 (12:24 PM) ppusa: so what are you looking for? (12:25 PM) Gorillatrader: In the past few weeks, I've walked this room many trades, blow by blow.. (12:25 PM) ppusa: does your rule say make 45 points and quit? (12:25 PM) Gorillatrader: that was the learning experience (12:25 PM) Daniel X: so we've got a Lunch filter and a low volume filter on right now (12:25 PM) ppusa: so what next? (12:26 PM) Daniel X: er we're breaking out here (12:26 PM) Gorillatrader: you tell me, its your rules you trade with (12:26 PM) ppusa: retro buy signal (12:26 PM) Gorillatrader: I'm Long ESZ from 960 (12:27 PM) ppusa: My trade would have been to buy the bottom of the recent pullback because it was a "V" (12:27 PM) ppusa: had a 1-2-3 on 15 minute chart. (12:27 PM) Daniel X: good was short 59 covered 57.25 (12:27 PM) ppusa: long from this morning? (12:28 PM) Daniel X: i wanted these 10 ppoints (12:28 PM) Daniel X: damn (12:28 PM) Gorillatrader: long at 12:12, 960 (12:28 PM) ppusa: recent pullback right? (12:29 PM) ppusa: higher high nq Paltalk: ==================================================== Britney,Dido,Outkast,+ MORE! 12 CDs Free + s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! ==================================================== (12:32 PM) elly_34: daniel, how many points will u lock in on a retro trade say it goes 10-15? (12:36 PM) Daniel X: example Elly.....start with 2 contracts most Retro trades gives 3to 5points from the start so cut 1 market..hold 1 move stop to b/e when u see +5 move to 8 when u see 12..i try to stay roughfly 5 points away...but this just one way to do it (12:36 PM) elly_34: k ty (12:37 PM) Daniel X: any momentum players go market on this last move? (12:38 PM) wayne_53: Daniel...are you referring to ES or NQ when you speak of those points (12:38 PM) Daniel X: NQ (12:38 PM) wayne_53: thnx (12:38 PM) Daniel X: ES would be 1.25 points? (12:39 PM) wayne_53: thnx very much (12:39 PM) Daniel X: np Paltalk: ==================================================== Get 4 DVDs for 49¢ each plus s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ¢ EACH! ==================================================== (12:40 PM) elly_34: brb (12:41 PM) Daniel X: Thing is Retro was design to help improve our average and it's helping many of us here ;-) Paltalk: Please visit our advertisers by clicking on banners. (12:42 PM) boomer_98: do you guys use market orders when you get trigger (12:43 PM) Daniel X: limit or stop in (12:45 PM) ppusa: Dave u herre (12:45 PM) ppusa: D A V E (12:46 PM) ppusa: quik is slow today (12:47 PM) ppusa: higher highs and lows (12:48 PM) ppusa: could the market close + today? (12:48 PM) rich012: elly, I use IB. Others do too. (12:48 PM) ppusa: resistance here Paltalk: ==================================================== Credit report online. Always private, always secure, get yours FREE from ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! ==================================================== (12:50 PM) Cytrader: IB doesn't offer daytrading margins, though. (12:50 PM) Daniel X: +2 ES (12:50 PM) elly_34: pfg does offer daytrading margins, yes? (12:50 PM) wayne_53: what took you out Daniel (12:50 PM) ann_87: is anyone doing retro on ES? (12:51 PM) Daniel X: 1147 NQ pivt res (12:51 PM) Daniel X: pivot (12:51 PM) Tom_B: Daniel, y did u switch to ES ? (12:51 PM) Daniel X: expanding my abilities Tom i guess (12:51 PM) Tom_B: :) (12:52 PM) ann_87: Daniel are you doing retro on ES too? (12:52 PM) Daniel X: working on it teying to see what combo works best Ann (12:52 PM) ann_87: what is the initial stop for es? (12:53 PM) Daniel X: 2 points (12:55 PM) Cytrader: Elly: Yes, but so does my firm. (12:55 PM) elly_34: pfg have daytrading margin? (12:55 PM) Daniel X: same $100 as NQ 5 ponits....but like i said i'm trying to develop the system for my style (12:55 PM) Daniel X: yes PFG is 850 ES and 1400 NQ (12:55 PM) Cytrader: Elly: Depends on the broker I think. (12:55 PM) rich012: Best offers daytrading margins but the system does not appear to be as good. IB also credits interest to your account, I don't think Best does. IB has cheaper rate than Best. Best might have better phone support, but then again you might need phone support more often from Best than IB. All imo. (12:55 PM) ann_87: thanks (12:56 PM) Cytrader: rich, I thought you were just on the demo? (12:56 PM) Daniel X: IB uses CME margin requirement don't they? (12:56 PM) Daniel X: 5800 NQ (12:56 PM) Cytrader: The system goes down FAR less than IB. (12:57 PM) Cytrader: And, you need to understand leverage vs a cheap rate. (12:58 PM) Daniel X: no way IB margin is lower tha that of Best! (12:58 PM) Cytrader: Darn tootin. (12:59 PM) wayne_53: Daniel....Are you using the patterns on the 3m ES to get in or are you using the hi/low of the 9m (12:59 PM) Gorillatrader: cytrader, who is your firm? (12:59 PM) Cytrader: Rich, have you ever actually traded live on BEST? (12:59 PM) Daniel X: GT u using 9 min on ES? (12:59 PM) Cytrader: Cytraders firm is Cytrade. (12:59 PM) Gorillatrader: IB for whom? Paltalk: ==================================================== Get 12 FREE CDs! Click for Details, CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! ==================================================== (12:59 PM) rich012: Cy, yes, I have an active account with them and IB (12:59 PM) Daniel X: lol Wayne i'm watching NQ for feel market scalping for now (01:00 PM) rich012: I know for a fact, from trading both, that IB is more reliable and quicker. (01:00 PM) wayne_53: ok (01:00 PM) rich012: Cy, you trade both? (01:00 PM) Cytrader: Nope. (01:00 PM) Gorillatrader: IB margins are Exchange MArgins. Most brokers will give you at least 50% of exchange margins for intraday trading (01:00 PM) Cytrader: I talk to over 56 IB clients and 57 BEST clients. (01:01 PM) elly_34: does that mean that the original acount amount is less also or just what one needs intraday? (01:01 PM) Cytrader: IB was down this morning for certain clients. (01:01 PM) Gorillatrader: what is your web site, cytrader? (01:01 PM) rich012: I had no problem this morning (01:01 PM) Cytrader: www.cytradefutures.com (01:02 PM) Gorillatrader: thx (01:02 PM) Daniel X: ELLY u can start with the margin requirement for the contract as initial account balance (01:02 PM) rich012: Wish it was down before I did my first trade !! :-) (01:02 PM) elly_34: is this with best daniel? (01:02 PM) elly_34: BEST? (01:02 PM) ppusa: cnbc says record volume day (01:02 PM) Cytrader: Cytrade uses best at the moment. (01:03 PM) Daniel X: yes Elly BEST (01:04 PM) Daniel X: Wayne im using 9/1 min on ES (01:04 PM) Daniel X: sorry 5/1 min (01:06 PM) wayne_53: was that 9/1 on ES Daniel or 5/1 (01:06 PM) Daniel X: 5/1 (01:06 PM) wayne_53: thnx (01:07 PM) Cytrader: Rich: The guys who were down were in Europe this AM. (01:07 PM) rich012: ok, cy (01:07 PM) rich012: cy, it is very rare for IB to go down for me. (01:07 PM) Daniel X: after the big AM move im entering for scalps till i see a trend (01:08 PM) rich012: ES and NQ at up t/l's from this morning and noon time lows (01:08 PM) Daniel X: yah i c that thnx (01:09 PM) rich012: triple witch yanking this thing around now Paltalk: ==================================================== Get 4 DVDs for 49¢ each plush s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ¢ EACH! ==================================================== (01:11 PM) Cytrader: Rich: Then you're in the sweet spot. :-) Paltalk: Your friends are just a click away! Press the invite button NOW! (01:12 PM) Daniel X: comp crash! brb (01:13 PM) boomer_98: Daniel x, how long you been trading futures? (01:14 PM) Daniel X: FEB 2001 (01:14 PM) boomer_98: are you making a living at it (01:14 PM) Daniel X: ;-) (01:14 PM) boomer_98: where you trading stocks before (01:15 PM) Daniel X: more than i ever dreamed of (01:15 PM) Daniel X: yes i was a buy and hold or pay and pray investor before (01:15 PM) boomer_98: how long did it take before you were making money (01:15 PM) Daniel X: on Futures (01:15 PM) Daniel X: ? (01:16 PM) boomer_98: yup (01:16 PM) Daniel X: from the get go (01:16 PM) Cytrader: Dan's a lucky cat then. (01:16 PM) Daniel X: i studied on paper for 2 months prior though (01:16 PM) boomer_98: talented? (01:17 PM) Daniel X: diciplined i would say (01:17 PM) Cytrader: Sounds like thourough. (01:17 PM) Daniel X: trying to be anyways (01:17 PM) Cytrader: thorough, even. (01:18 PM) boomer_98: where did you learn (01:18 PM) Daniel X: in rooms like these (01:18 PM) Daniel X: not free though (01:19 PM) boomer_98: what room did you find was most educational (01:19 PM) ppusa: trans index + (01:19 PM) Daniel X: www.trendvue.com Paltalk: ==================================================== Get your FREE credit report @ ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! ==================================================== (01:19 PM) Daniel X: www.buyitbuyitsellitsellit.com (01:19 PM) jimbo_320: back (01:21 PM) ppusa: son of a gun...another rally (01:22 PM) Daniel X: that comp crash cause me to miss 5 ES points @$#%*&^%$#@ (01:22 PM) ppusa: what comp crash (01:23 PM) Tom_B: Get a PC :) (01:23 PM) Daniel X: my Data comp crashed (01:23 PM) dbphoenix: Daniel, do you know of any email groups that focus on TLo's approach to trading? Or do you guys gather here after the close to go over potential support/resistance levels? (01:23 PM) Daniel X: had a 969.50 limit ready to go (01:23 PM) ppusa: chop chop (01:24 PM) jimbo_320: u trading es again? (01:24 PM) Daniel X: Buffy should have an answer to that ...Phoenix (01:24 PM) Gorillatrader: jimbo, what software you coding in? (01:24 PM) Daniel X: or Dave (01:24 PM) jimbo_320: C++ (01:25 PM) dbphoenix: Buffy, are you here? (01:25 PM) Gorillatrader: thx, what charting? (01:25 PM) Daniel X: PPUSA pull up a 5/1 and trade ! (01:26 PM) Gorillatrader: ESZ trading very well today (01:26 PM) Daniel X: yes it is (01:26 PM) dbphoenix: Dave, are you here? (01:26 PM) jimbo_320: i am writing a auto-retro trading app - with a feed and a autotrade execution link (01:26 PM) Buffy_04364: yes I am (01:26 PM) dbphoenix: Did you see my ? to Daniel earlier? (01:26 PM) Gorillatrader: great (01:26 PM) Buffy_04364: sorry what was the ? (01:27 PM) jimbo_320: it will take some time though (01:27 PM) Buffy_04364: no I don't know of any email groups (01:27 PM) Buffy_04364: maybe start one on yahoo? (01:27 PM) Gorillatrader: trying same with tradestation pro (01:27 PM) dbphoenix: Too bad. It's tough to find people who understand what I'm talking about. (01:27 PM) Gorillatrader: what your ques? (01:28 PM) Buffy_04364: yes it is but welcome to come here after market and talk (01:28 PM) Daniel X: GT 9/1 minon ES/ (01:28 PM) Daniel X: ? (01:28 PM) Daniel X: 9/3 sorry (01:28 PM) dbphoenix: Seems like everybody I encounter just enters and exits whenever it feels good. (01:28 PM) ppusa: i will get some sell signals if nq breks 31 (01:28 PM) Gorillatrader: wrong, dbphoenix (01:28 PM) jimbo_320: i am initially practicing retro using a compx feed, when the globex feed comes on line i will use that, and test it for a few weeks, then sit back and watch the dollars roll in (01:28 PM) Daniel X: Hey DB this is a G rated room!!!LOL (01:28 PM) dbphoenix: Wrong about what, GT? (01:29 PM) Gorillatrader: enters/exits..feels good (01:29 PM) rich012: db, stick around after the close when others have more of a chance to talk about methods, etc.. Paltalk: ==================================================== Britney,Dido,Outkast,+ MORE! 12 CDs Free + s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! ==================================================== (01:29 PM) rich012: back to that up t/l again (01:29 PM) Gorillatrader: some here have very detailed trading plans with rules (01:30 PM) jimbo_320: how much does tradestation pro cost ? for software and per month? (01:30 PM) Gorillatrader: www.tradingtechnologies.com (01:30 PM) dbphoenix: Might be a good idea to set up a Yahoo Group of some sort so that there's an archive. It's got to be a hassle to keep repeating the same strategies and tactics and rules whenever somebody new arrives. (01:30 PM) Gorillatrader: you had previos version of any omega product? (01:31 PM) tomsurf: dbphoenix- have you looked at dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart.com? (01:32 PM) Gorillatrader: Retro methodology is on site, (01:32 PM) Daniel X: DB it all at the site (01:32 PM) laniermasters: GT, thanks for helping me last night. I've had all TS versions since v. 3. (01:32 PM) Buffy_04364: dave is working on an email things too but don't know if it could work as a group thing (01:32 PM) laniermasters: And am interesting helping program and testing in esy language. (01:32 PM) Gorillatrader: great, lanier, glad ts pro up and running (01:33 PM) dbphoenix: Thx, I'll look it over. (01:33 PM) tomsurf: db- that's where you find all the info :-) (01:33 PM) dbphoenix: Buffy, are you talking about davebquik? (01:33 PM) dave_b_quik: ya, buffy the mail list could be setup so everybody on the list could e-mail everybody else by sending to 1 address (01:33 PM) dbphoenix: D'oh! (01:33 PM) laniermasters: yes, thanks. I had to re-construct some workspaces after reloading. not serious. (01:34 PM) dbphoenix: Dave, that's how Yahoo Groups (not Clubs) are set up. Like the old listserves. (01:34 PM) Gorillatrader: happens, get corrupt (01:34 PM) dbphoenix: Difference is that you can receive emails if you want to, or you can just post to the site if you don't want to be bothered. I have two going currently. (01:35 PM) jimbo_320: GT are u using xtrader? (01:35 PM) dbphoenix: Advantage is that you can post charts without having to have a website somewhere. Plus upload files. And of course there's an archive, which is also searchable. (01:35 PM) Gorillatrader: xtrader? (01:37 PM) jimbo_320: that url you posted (01:37 PM) yiayia_2: Where do you all get your data feed from (01:37 PM) Gorillatrader: tradestation url (01:37 PM) dbphoenix: Just went to dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart. Never mind :O) (01:38 PM) laniermasters: no advertising on dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart! (01:38 PM) sjcberkeley: db How to you join the Yahoo Groups you have going? (01:38 PM) Gorillatrader: they changed it again.... (01:38 PM) laniermasters: thank you dbq (01:39 PM) Gorillatrader: www.tradestation.com Jimbo (01:39 PM) boomer_98: thnks for all the info, im seeing that this is a nice simple trading system, has anyone tried to automate it? (01:39 PM) dbphoenix: sjc, aren't you a member of the Burrow group already? Paltalk: ==================================================== Get 4 DVDs for 49¢ each plus s&h. 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(01:42 PM) sjcberkeley: got it (01:42 PM) jimbo_320: so with tradestation do you only pay for the trading commisson and get the charting, execution 4 free? (01:43 PM) dbphoenix: Bill, it depends on the margin requirements of your broker. However, unless you're very disciplined and very lucky, you should have a considerable amount beyond that. Otherwise, you're vulnerable to a pretty hefty loss. (01:44 PM) Gorillatrader: jimbo, yes of you were not an Omega customer (01:45 PM) Gorillatrader: of=if (01:45 PM) Daniel X: DBPHOENIX..why do u say a hefty loss? (01:45 PM) Daniel X: futures is cash only (01:45 PM) Gorillatrader: "very luvky"...boy, what a statement (01:45 PM) laniermasters: Jimbo, you don't have to use TS as broker, that's optional. $20K min for futures, $50K stocks. The program including non-pro data is $299/mo. if haven't had previous versions of TS. $99 if you've paid the $2000 for the older version. Free is you have a brokerage acct. (01:45 PM) Gorillatrader: lucky (01:46 PM) jimbo_320: and the autotrading free for $5.95 a contract? (01:46 PM) Daniel X: 10 for me (01:46 PM) Gorillatrader: lanier, they changed that. You can not get TS Pro if you werenot previous customer or open an account (01:46 PM) Daniel X: nevermind that last statement Jimbo (01:47 PM) laniermasters: Sorry, I'm out of date already. (01:48 PM) Gorillatrader: jimbo, better call them to get exact requirements. they change often..lol (01:48 PM) wayne_53: I'm looking at these ES bars on the 1m and the ranges are just too much. 3pts or more. who can trade in this (01:48 PM) jimbo_320: that sounds like a good deal, they must make the money on volume (01:48 PM) Daniel X: ;-) (01:48 PM) Daniel X: Wayne it's chop right now (01:48 PM) Gorillatrader: dela thru Lind-Waldock which is REFCO (01:48 PM) Gorillatrader: deal (01:48 PM) wayne_53: it's crazy Daniel (01:49 PM) Gorillatrader: wayne, if you have a trading plan, you would not be asking that question (01:49 PM) jimbo_320: is this esy language the one everyone uses? Paltalk: ==================================================== Credit report online. Always private, always secure, get yours FREE from ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! ==================================================== (01:49 PM) Gorillatrader: yes, jimbo (01:50 PM) wayne_53: I guess you're right GT (01:50 PM) jimbo_320: have u backtested using retro on it? (01:50 PM) laniermasters: Easy language (esy was my typo) (01:50 PM) Gorillatrader: 100's of functions, indicators, money management tools already programmed. all open code (01:51 PM) Gorillatrader: working on a multi-timeframe methodology for systematic trading (01:51 PM) jimbo_320: with no monthly charge? (01:51 PM) Gorillatrader: I pay $99/mo since I don't have an account with them yet (01:51 PM) Gorillatrader: yours, would be free with an account, $20,000 min for a Futures acct (01:52 PM) laniermasters: same here (only I'm stuck with professional exchange fees since I'm licensed) (01:52 PM) Gorillatrader: why licensed? (01:52 PM) Gorillatrader: Who is holding your license? (01:52 PM) laniermasters: I have a series 7, was with Merrill Lynch - lost my job a couple of months ago. (01:52 PM) jimbo_320: dont think i'll bother writing after all... that is a good deal (01:52 PM) laniermasters: no one at the moment. (01:53 PM) Gorillatrader: so, you are out. not professional anymore (01:53 PM) Gorillatrader: jimbo, best deal in town..lol...seriously, it is (01:54 PM) Gorillatrader: lanier, the moment you left Merrill, you are no longer member of any exhange (01:54 PM) Gorillatrader: and that is THE criteria (01:54 PM) laniermasters: If I go totally inactive, I'd have to retake exams to reactivate. I never want to go through that again! I'd rather pay fees for a while. (01:54 PM) wayne_53: GT.....I've got to ask you what plan would have kept you out here initially since we had a nice trend up and then back down so how do you avoid getting hit here in this chop? (01:55 PM) Gorillatrader: your exam is ggod for 2 years after leaving firm (01:55 PM) laniermasters: Then I got misinfo from TradeStation. Maybe we'll talk later? (01:55 PM) Gorillatrader: has nothing to do with professional fees (01:55 PM) Gorillatrader: I won't be around later (01:55 PM) Gorillatrader: going to trade in private (01:56 PM) laniermasters: Thanks, GT! (01:56 PM) Gorillatrader: just tell those dummies there you are not a member of any exchange..oeriod (01:56 PM) Gorillatrader: period (01:56 PM) Gorillatrader: read the document you sign (01:57 PM) laniermasters: Thanks, nice to save some money. (01:57 PM) Gorillatrader: wayne, if you want to know, and succeed as a professional trader, you need to research and study more than you ever did in college (01:57 PM) Daniel X: STOP REMOVAL MARKET (01:58 PM) jimbo_320: friday morning mega moves = afternoon chop (01:58 PM) ab_18: y (01:58 PM) Gorillatrader: if one wnats to be a CPA, Pilot, Architect, Engineer..one has to hit the books. Same here (01:59 PM) Gorillatrader: sorry for blunt answer Paltalk: ==================================================== Get 12 FREE CDs! Click for Details, CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! ==================================================== (02:00 PM) beanman_1: GT.. only difference here is that you don't have to be liscensed to lose money... (02:00 PM) Daniel X: only 2 pm ..it feels like 3:45 (02:01 PM) Gorillatrader: yep, have $5,000 and we become a Professional Trader...easy stuff, no training required (02:01 PM) laniermasters: haha! (02:02 PM) Gorillatrader: like the old saying says to those that made tons of $ in internet bubble and lost all later: "Don't confuse a Bull Market with Brains" (02:03 PM) jimbo_320: i remember amazom at 220$ (02:04 PM) jimbo_320: what now 8$ (02:04 PM) Gorillatrader: many holding too (02:04 PM) jonl: this is a place w/o commercial, its a good room!! (02:04 PM) jimbo_320: and aksjeeves at 110 now 0.5 (02:05 PM) Gorillatrader: sad story: know somebody who bought Rambus, kept adding to it, thousands of shares, bought it for longterm..fundamentas still good, greatest and fastest memory. never sold. He had over $1million in gains, now much less than $100k (02:05 PM) Gorillatrader: Easy Street (02:08 PM) jimbo_320: i remember trading red-hat when it exploded from 70$ to $135 is about three days, a friend of mine bought some Commerce One for a 80$ and is still holding it - :-( (02:09 PM) ppusa: what was that stock that had the greatest opening jump? (02:09 PM) Gorillatrader: yes, neighbor bought Linux or Red HAt, can't recall fisrt day..told him yo sell that baby next day..can't tyake a loss in 2 days...he doesn't talk to me about it anymore (02:09 PM) ppusa: valynx Paltalk: ==================================================== Get 4 DVDs for 49¢ each plush s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ¢ EACH! ==================================================== (02:10 PM) ppusa: 340 or something (02:10 PM) Gorillatrader: bought thru Merrill, I think (02:10 PM) jimbo_320: i think the record ipo was scimitar systems ppusa about 240 i think (02:11 PM) ppusa: unless after valynx, no (02:11 PM) Gorillatrader: teleglobe? (02:11 PM) Gorillatrader: tglb (02:11 PM) Daniel X: train a comin (02:11 PM) jimbo_320: it had one customer cicso and 0 revenue, just an idea (02:11 PM) Gorillatrader: southbound train? (02:11 PM) ppusa: nq has held the 22.5 early pullback (02:12 PM) ppusa: maybe could still see some green (02:12 PM) Daniel X: as long as it goes somewhere GT! (02:12 PM) jimbo_320: phone.com that was another crazy stock Paltalk: Please support our sponsors by clicking on banners. (02:13 PM) ppusa: i traded thatone Paltalk: ==================================================== Get your FREE credit report @ ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! ====================================================