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rs_5: good morning all :)
(08:57 AM) dave_b_quik: hi, rs
(08:57 AM) Tom_B: gm
(08:58 AM) rs_5: hi dave
(08:58 AM) rs_5: hi Tom
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(08:58 AM) Daniel X: how is everyone this morn?
(08:59 AM) dave_b_quik: grrrrreat
(09:00 AM) Tom_B: ready to rumble
(09:00 AM) rs_5: which way?
(09:00 AM) Daniel X: good....things looking a little more cheery today.
(09:01 AM) GGriz: good morning y'all
(09:02 AM) rs_5: hi GGriz
(09:02 AM) tomsurf: good morning all
(09:03 AM) Tom_B: gm
(09:04 AM) dave_b_quik: hey, Griz, did you work anything out with DTN?
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(09:06 AM) GGriz: Hi Dave, no not yet
(09:07 AM) dave_b_quik: i went thru that with 'em in '97
(09:07 AM) GGriz: BTW: do not try to use the beta ver of ensign
(09:07 AM) dave_b_quik: problems?
(09:07 AM) GGriz: yes it is buggy and crashes the compluter
(09:07 AM) GGriz: when it tries to run the updates
(09:08 AM) GGriz: same same with Buffy
(09:08 AM) GGriz: did dtn let you out of the contract?
(09:08 AM) dave_b_quik: i was gonna load EW last night but didn't get around to it :-)
(09:09 AM) GGriz: I am running it now but it has some gaps in the data, the server won't fill  em in
(09:09 AM) GGriz: think that's cause the updates did not run
(09:09 AM) dave_b_quik: i think i finally made 'em an offer to buy out the contract
(09:10 AM) GGriz: I emailed H with some gifs of the error messages
(09:10 AM) GGriz: don't know if I want to have to do that
(09:10 AM) GGriz: had a subscription for 3 years
(09:10 AM) Buffy_04364: good morning team
(09:10 AM) dave_b_quik: they are  very aggressive in trying to enforce their contract, but at the time i had busted my account and wasn't even trading any more
(09:10 AM) dave_b_quik: they didn't even want to take the equipment back
(09:11 AM) Buffy_04364: you guys must be talking about DTN
(09:11 AM) GGriz: Buffy, my computer crashed also, trying to do the updates
(09:11 AM) dave_b_quik: LOL
(09:11 AM) Buffy_04364: thanks GGriz - will get that off to Howard right now
(09:12 AM) GGriz: I did and sent a couple of gifs of the error messages
(09:12 AM) dave_b_quik: buffy, did you see tang's question yesterday about the MM discussion?
(09:12 AM) GGriz: I got the BSOD
(09:13 AM) Tom_B: hi Buffy
(09:15 AM) Buffy_04364: I thought I answered him and said a week from Thursday
(09:15 AM) Buffy_04364: hi tom
(09:15 AM) GGriz: the whole internet is slowed down; my esig quotes are behind the tws quotes over the same connection
(09:15 AM) Buffy_04364: was it address 00003BAC GGriz
(09:15 AM) Buffy_04364: oh it wouldn't be as you have win98 sorry
(09:15 AM) Buffy_04364: if that was ok with you Dave
(09:15 AM) Buffy_04364: GT reminded me yesterday of posting my system
(09:16 AM) Buffy_04364: I am sorry I forgot all about it
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(09:16 AM) Buffy_04364: getting back on track slowly here
(09:16 AM) dave_b_quik: OK, I'll post the new discussion date, Thurs, 9/27
(09:17 AM) Buffy_04364: it that ok for you Dave?
(09:17 AM) dave_b_quik: ya, great
(09:17 AM) Buffy_04364: ok
(09:17 AM) Daniel X: thats for the $management discussion?
(09:17 AM) dave_b_quik: y
(09:17 AM) Daniel X: kewl
(09:18 AM) Daniel X: 16:30 eastern right?
(09:18 AM) Buffy_04364: maybe GT will be available then for the reducing contracts angle as I don't do it
(09:18 AM) Buffy_04364: unless someone else does
(09:18 AM) Daniel X: i do
(09:18 AM) GGriz: sizing?
(09:18 AM) Buffy_04364: great daniel
(09:19 AM) Buffy_04364: you can handle that aspect if you don't mind
(09:19 AM) Daniel X: pretty simple actually
(09:19 AM) Buffy_04364: I believe I understand it but could not field ? on it I am sure
(09:19 AM) Daniel X: dont know GT's style for comparision but i'll submit my style
(09:20 AM) Buffy_04364: that is fine
(09:20 AM) dave_b_quik: me neither, i think that's mainly a scalping strategy
(09:20 AM) Buffy_04364: we all know things are done differently with all
(09:20 AM) Buffy_04364: I think so too dave
(09:20 AM) Daniel X: no actually it is $ management
(09:20 AM) dave_b_quik: ya
(09:20 AM) Daniel X: u mean GT's or mine?
(09:21 AM) GGriz: yup
(09:21 AM) david h_2: hi all
(09:21 AM) GGriz: u
(09:22 AM) GGriz: I agree Daniel, it is MM
(09:22 AM) Daniel X: oh ok
(09:22 AM) ppusa: Dan to bad we didn't unload yesterday's longs at HOD
(09:22 AM) Daniel X: im applying it to Retro
(09:22 AM) Daniel X: lol
(09:22 AM) dave_b_quik: so you start out big and reduce?
(09:23 AM) Daniel X: yes and no
(09:23 AM) Daniel X: i'll have to explain
(09:23 AM) GGriz: BTW beige book agn today
(09:23 AM) dave_b_quik: look forward to hearing it, daniel
(09:23 AM) Buffy_04364: there is something everyday this week isn't there ggriz?
(09:24 AM) GGriz: it moved the mkt last time, might not overcome the other mkt factors tho
(09:24 AM) Orprepus: buffy - just loaded a 5m chart and it looks like roger's setting
(09:24 AM) Buffy_04364: plus it isn't very accurate right now for sure
(09:24 AM) Buffy_04364: oh great orp
(09:24 AM) Buffy_04364: :-(
(09:24 AM) Buffy_04364: emails all in to Howard
(09:25 AM) Buffy_04364: is all I can say
(09:25 AM) Buffy_04364: he might be late today with the wedding last night
(09:25 AM) GGriz: yeah, but did his alarm go off this morning?
(09:25 AM) Buffy_04364: LOL
(09:25 AM) Buffy_04364: did he hear it???
(09:25 AM) Buffy_04364: giggle
(09:25 AM) GGriz: anoozin
(09:25 AM) GGriz: snoozin
(09:26 AM) Buffy_04364: I have furnance cleaning guys coming at 10:30
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(09:26 AM) jimbo_320: morning traders
(09:26 AM) Buffy_04364: morning Jimbo
(09:26 AM) dave_b_quik: hey, jimbo, a new trader was asking what you use for yr charts
(09:26 AM) jimbo_320: does anyone here have their own exchange feed?
(09:27 AM) Buffy_04364: orp - that is unreal really after deleting all of the workspaces - must of saved them too
(09:27 AM) jimbo_320: ie using the gobex api?
(09:27 AM) jimbo_320: globex
(09:27 AM) Buffy_04364: if you have the BETA DO NOT send each other workspaces yet
(09:27 AM) GGriz: do not use the beta, for that matter
(09:27 AM) Buffy_04364: from last night it looks like your templates get over written with the senders
(09:28 AM) Buffy_04364: now GGriz running well here
(09:28 AM) beanman_1: Jimbo.. I am using yes-trader which is a competitor of PATS and uses the Globex API
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(09:28 AM) Buffy_04364: beanman you have beta - are you getting lockups if ensign up while updating being done?
(09:28 AM) GGriz: did you ever get the updates to run Buffy?
(09:28 AM) Buffy_04364: oh they ran it was after they ran
(09:29 AM) jimbo_320: has anyone used an interface to a trading api, like IB?
(09:29 AM) GGriz: I use IB
(09:30 AM) dave_b_quik: you gonna start your own data feed, jimbo?
(09:30 AM) beanman_1: No buffy, but I have a couple of other problems  I reported to howard
(09:30 AM) jimbo_320: thinking of programming retro, if i can get a cheap feed and cheap brokerage api, i reckon i could write an auto-retro
(09:31 AM) Buffy_04364: wonder if they are the same I have been reporting
(09:31 AM) Buffy_04364: as spokesperson
(09:31 AM) GGriz: shop steward
(09:31 AM) Buffy_04364: that is a project Jimbo
(09:32 AM) GGriz: union rep
(09:32 AM) Orprepus: unofficially elected 
(09:32 AM) GGriz: appointed
(09:32 AM) Buffy_04364: GGriz found the right margin doesn't hold the setting
(09:32 AM) Buffy_04364: LOL
(09:32 AM) tomsurf: jimbo- that sounds like a great idea
(09:32 AM) Buffy_04364: great we are finding all this stuff before it is released and Howard thinks so too
(09:33 AM) Buffy_04364: says we are all doing a great job
(09:33 AM) dave_b_quik: great, jimbo
(09:33 AM) GGriz: Jimbo, pats system has some auto trade features, wonder if you could program that
(09:33 AM) Tom_B: Beta be careful, :)
(09:34 AM) dave_b_quik: ya, Ensign has an autotrade with certain brokers, i forget which
(09:34 AM) jimbo_320: all i need is a quote feed, getting from globex looks complex
(09:34 AM) dave_b_quik: eSignal?
(09:34 AM) GGriz: getting from IB also complex; people have been trying to chart it, so far no joy far as I know
(09:35 AM) jimbo_320: i hope to add different trading methods, retro would be just one, i like the idea of playing golf while retro trades my account
(09:35 AM) Buffy_04364: LOL
(09:35 AM) dave_b_quik: LOL, as long as he doesn't get too creative
(09:35 AM) dave_b_quik: he might be up to 1,000 contracts before you know it
(09:35 AM) jimbo_320: i could trade all your account to, for a % of course
(09:36 AM) dave_b_quik: great, we'll go play
(09:36 AM) GGriz: OK, then I can learn to play golf
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(09:36 AM) wray: new ensign user;  anyone know the symbol for the nasd comp?
(09:36 AM) jimbo_320: do you know someone who has used the ib api ggriz
(09:36 AM) GGriz: what feed?
(09:36 AM) GGriz: $compq
(09:36 AM) Orprepus: $COMPQ for esignal datafeed
(09:37 AM) GGriz: no Jim
(09:37 AM) GGriz: dth = compx
(09:37 AM) GGriz: dtn
(09:37 AM) wray: thanx
(09:38 AM) zackiblue: anyone buying here
(09:38 AM) Buffy_04364: not yet
(09:39 AM) skyprince_1: nope
(09:39 AM) Orprepus: no
(09:39 AM) ppusa: can't really tell whether setup for a selloff or up day
(09:40 AM) GGriz: almost, I cxld
(09:40 AM) Daniel X: grind up looks like
(09:40 AM) Daniel X: grind chop up
(09:40 AM) ppusa: looked to me like a retest of last night's high
(09:41 AM) Orprepus: i am with you pp
(09:41 AM) ppusa: but SP almost took out yesterday's high
(09:41 AM) ppusa: certainly due for a rally
(09:41 AM) Daniel X: thats what im watching
(09:41 AM) Daniel X: sp
(09:41 AM) Orprepus: been coming dn off of globex high most of th am
(09:42 AM) ppusa: they broke the rules last night and didn't let us sell the HOD
(09:42 AM) Orprepus: gap closed
(09:43 AM) Orprepus: on es
(09:43 AM) Daniel X: the shake out for those not invited for the ride here
(09:43 AM) ppusa: i had an order in last night at 53 but cancelled it
(09:44 AM) ppusa: GGriz:   almost, I cxld...what is cxld?
(09:44 AM) ppusa: cancelled
(09:44 AM) Daniel X: 1252 pivot NQ
(09:44 AM) Daniel X: decent volume?
(09:44 AM) Daniel X: NQ
(09:44 AM) Buffy_04364: tks daniel
(09:45 AM) Daniel X: im asking Buffy  LOL
(09:45 AM) GGriz: cancel
(09:45 AM) ppusa: wondering if today will be outside up...will see
(09:45 AM) Buffy_04364: yes it is daniel
(09:45 AM) Buffy_04364: sorry
(09:46 AM) Daniel X: like to see it take out 1252
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(09:46 AM) Buffy_04364: TL there too
(09:46 AM) Daniel X: ;-)
(09:47 AM) dave_b_quik: hey the latest IB revision makes it easier to enter stop/limit orders, the limit defaults to the stop price automatically
(09:47 AM) GGriz: bout time
(09:48 AM) Buffy_04364: they had to do something too many complaints
(09:49 AM) GGriz: time for coffee and try to pay attention; think I have to leave in a little while so see ya later all
(09:49 AM) Daniel X: k
(09:50 AM) Orprepus: see ya ggriz
(09:50 AM) GGriz: btw, 1 M was flashing sell while I was trying to buy, not too alert this am
(09:50 AM) GGriz: bye
(09:50 AM) Buffy_04364: bye ggriz
(09:50 AM) Buffy_04364: 73
(09:52 AM) ppusa: i think today may have a lot of bounces...might be a bad day for retro
(09:52 AM) dave_b_quik: retro could afford a day off
(09:52 AM) Daniel X: selling is on lower volume
(09:53 AM) Cytrader: Hello all!
(09:53 AM) rs_5: good trading all :)
(09:53 AM) Daniel X: RSI entering ovrbought
(09:53 AM) Daniel X: ?/
(09:54 AM) Daniel X: guess there had to be a noninvitational shakeout
(09:56 AM) Daniel X: DOW better start leading here..up that is
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(09:57 AM) ppusa: nq early action setting the tone ... lots of bounces
(09:57 AM) Daniel X: i miss the big bars preattack
(09:57 AM) ppusa: maybe you'll get them on the up
(09:57 AM) Daniel X: thats waht im thinking
(09:57 AM) ppusa: sp +
(09:57 AM) Daniel X: good
(09:58 AM) Daniel X: 1rst time trading it
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(09:59 AM) ppusa: i have a TL above the 3 high pushes thast were it to break would look like a runup
(10:00 AM) Daniel X: as long as NQ holds the 20 ema we're moving up
(10:01 AM) Daniel X: lets see it take out the 40 though
(10:01 AM) Buffy_04364: hi cy
(10:03 AM) Daniel X: what was beige book?
(10:03 AM) Daniel X: anyone
(10:04 AM) ppusa: cnbc hasn't said anything
(10:04 AM) Daniel X: ah not till 14:0
(10:04 AM) ppusa: anyone tke the retro long?
(10:04 AM) Daniel X: 2 pm
(10:04 AM) Tom_B: 2pm est, i think
(10:04 AM) ppusa: 1246?
(10:04 AM) dave_b_quik: y
(10:04 AM) Gorillatrader: on 9min, yes
(10:04 AM) ppusa: i missed it
(10:04 AM) Daniel X: im long sp
(10:04 AM) ppusa: good job
(10:04 AM) Tom_B: long here
(10:05 AM) tomsurf: L ES
(10:05 AM) Daniel X: 1252 pivot 
(10:06 AM) ppusa: tough day
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(10:06 AM) Daniel X: yes ang its just begun!!!
(10:06 AM) ppusa: could be a fakey but either way it was a good retro signal
(10:07 AM) ppusa: that high is like a poke bar
(10:07 AM) Daniel X: no fakey just the unsure taking some off the table
(10:07 AM) jimbo_320: 9/3 retro long at 52.5
(10:08 AM) ppusa: 15 minute had retro long at 46 imo
(10:08 AM) Buffy_04364: can't get through that TL or TOS
(10:08 AM) ppusa: come back and hit the tight stops and then either way
(10:10 AM) Daniel X: i know that damn 52
(10:10 AM) ppusa: the way the Dow is acting makes me think downside 
(10:10 AM) ppusa: i thinkk if long was the trade, Dow would be up 50
(10:11 AM) ppusa: deer here
(10:11 AM) Daniel X: still holding the 20 ema
(10:13 AM) jimbo_320: that retro 46 long was still range bound so i prefered the 52.5 long
(10:14 AM) dave_b_quik: esignal not here
(10:15 AM) Gorillatrader: esignal okay here, dave
(10:15 AM) ppusa: seems like most of the 15 minute bar breaks like the 46 go far enough for a scalp
(10:17 AM) dave_b_quik: internet problems here, on and off