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CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! tomsurf: Good morning dave... tomsurf: today s/be interesting dave_b_quik: ya, could be risky territory too Indycator: hi guys dave_b_quik: mornin tomsurf: no doubt, I may do nothing dave_b_quik: ya, i'll wait and see what it look like tomsurf: hard to guage if order entry is gonna hold up or not tomsurf: hey Indy ;-) dave_b_quik: ya, bonds order entry wasn't working Friday at IB dave_b_quik: adds another element of risk tomsurf: big time ;-) Indycator: any word on nq/es? dave_b_quik: high possibility of government intervention is a big risk factor too dave_b_quik: otta b workin Indycator: fed already lowered the rate .50 this morning dave_b_quik: oh, i didn't hear jimbo_320: is premarket trading today? Indycator: yep Indycator: to dave tomsurf: Indy- didn't know, thx dave_b_quik: bonds is trading Indycator: welcome tom Paltalk: Get 12 FREE CDs! Click for Details, CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! tomsurf: I saw bonds go up this am and then drop...that musta been why jimbo_320: are mini open yet? tomsurf: no, not yet dave_b_quik: 8:30 cst jimbo_320: 1/2 announcement before the bell, somebody must of been worried Indycator: opening at nyse will be widely watched this morning....and highly emotional for those there jimbo_320: not much in the green so far today wayne_53: Anyone know which month we are trading today jimbo_320: sept and dec wayne_53: thnx tomsurf: this is roll over time into the next contract month- Dec jimbo_320: which is going to have the most volume sept /dec? dave_b_quik: they pushed rollover to tomorrow dave_b_quik: for all the people who are stuck in a Sept position Daniel X: they did? Daniel X: oh ok tomsurf: jimbo- Dec vol. will begin to pick up as traders roll into it Daniel X: still have no bid/ask though dave_b_quik: doesn't open 'til 9:30 EST Daniel X: ok thnx Daniel X: NQZ1 Daniel X: ? dave_b_quik: ya Daniel X: thnx Daniel X: so the fed cut 50 anyone going to atempt to trade today Daniel X: ? jimbo_320: i would of like the FOMC to wait until this afternoon, before lowering, to test the bottom first Paltalk: Press the INVITE button NOW! Get your friends in on the fun! Invite them to join us on PalTalk today! Paltalk: Get 4 DVDs for 49¢ each plush s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ¢ EACH! Daniel X: they did already Daniel X: it's done dave_b_quik: i'm not in a hurry to put on a position Daniel X: JIMBO FIMC cut already Daniel X: Dave Daniel X: me neither jimbo_320: 1/2 a point jimbo_320: so whats the verdict on todays action volatile trending or chop? Daniel X: oh u said u would have liked...i thought you siad would like....nevermind Daniel X: lol Indycator: have currencies rolled over to dec? Tom_B: DT which position, U or Z ? Daniel X: today U tues Z jimbo_320: is anyone trading a U today? Tom_B: Did I hear Fed DID cit 50bps already ? Indycator: yep Tom_B: cut Tom_B: today ? Indycator: this morning Tom_B: bonds ? Indycator: what about bonds? Tom_B: +/- ? dave_b_quik: bonds are pretty steady Indycator: guess I am still in a fog, tom.....fed cut discount rate .50 klonerdoug: nasdaq pmi -60 right now jimbo_320: stocks are bid up a bit in premarket but still down about 3-4% jimbo_320: maybe we will get a loyalty rally ? ppusa: fat chance ppusa: only after a sell off jimbo_320: am i right in seeing the bid on es is 1035? jimbo_320: nq is 1280 larrybf: hello everyone!!!!! dave_b_quik: hey, dude! klonerdoug: not trading yet though correct? jimbo_320: lots of sellers by the look of it, if it is correct dave_b_quik: right, k Paltalk: Get your FREE credit report @ ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! dave_b_quik: somebody is selling 1000 at 1035.75, must have a big position to unwind? dave_b_quik: 1,000 Buffy_04364: good morning all larrybf: good friend at verizon told me that trading infrastructure crash is a strong possibility. DO NOT try to play without stops Buffy_04364: there are many many variables out there today larry Buffy_04364: dec contracts I assume? dave_b_quik: sept Buffy_04364: so they are going to do that - so rollover is tomorrow? dave_b_quik: y Daniel X: back in 10 mins Buffy_04364: thanks Dave dave_b_quik: lotta people had sept positions still Buffy_04364: yes they did but with so many conflicting stories out there - even on CNNBC jimbo_320: more bid ask on sept so far dave_b_quik: y Buffy_04364: very glad Greenspan did the anticipated rate cut before market opened (09:07 AM) jimbo_320: dunno buffy, i would of liked them to use that as a boost during a sell off. They havent got any more cards up thier sleeve now. (09:07 AM) dave_b_quik: what is the rate now? (09:08 AM) jimbo_320: 3% (09:08 AM) bruce_lee_2: When will FED cut .5 ? (09:08 AM) bruce_lee_2: good morning (09:08 AM) Buffy_04364: I think they might of thought traders would stay out figuring it was going to happen at some point jimbo (09:08 AM) dave_b_quik: oh, i think in 92 they only got down to 3.5% (09:09 AM) Gorillatrader: good morning (09:09 AM) Buffy_04364: they did this morning bruce (09:09 AM) bruce_lee_2: THx (09:09 AM) Buffy_04364: mroning GT (09:09 AM) beanman_1: GT.. Do you know what limit are (09:09 AM) Indycator: morning GT (09:09 AM) Buffy_04364: 1000 and 2150 isn't it (09:10 AM) beanman_1: IB show both es and NQ limit down.. (09:10 AM) Buffy_04364: no 1150 (09:10 AM) Buffy_04364: wouldn't surprise me (09:10 AM) ppusa: nq premarket ind -65 according to cnbc (09:10 AM) Buffy_04364: nothing will today - plan on watching right now (09:10 AM) tomsurf: Limits are 60 for ES and 90 for the NQ (09:10 AM) Buffy_04364: thanks tom (09:10 AM) proustt: no Globex trading in futures yet? thanks Paltalk: Britney,Dido,Outkast,+ MORE! 12 CDs Free + s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! (09:10 AM) Buffy_04364: mine was for indu and naz sorry (09:11 AM) dave_b_quik: wonder what they'll use for the closing price to calculate limit down from? (09:11 AM) jimbo_320: we are already opening at gap down to limit on es if 1035 is correct (09:11 AM) Daniel X: Heard reports that the SEC will allow illegal practices by MM to stabilize and add liquidity (09:11 AM) jimbo_320: have we ever gap down to limit before? (09:11 AM) Buffy_04364: no not opening until 9:30 I think (09:11 AM) proustt: thks (09:11 AM) Buffy_04364: lots of stock buybacks too are out (09:12 AM) Buffy_04364: I think I saw it once on the nq jimbo before (09:12 AM) Orprepus: good morning everyone (09:12 AM) Buffy_04364: but haven't been trading the emini that long (09:12 AM) Buffy_04364: hi orprepus (09:13 AM) Jessie Livermore: Hiya folks (09:13 AM) Daniel X: GM ORP (09:13 AM) dave_b_quik: glad you could make it Jesse (09:13 AM) Orprepus: hi buffy - thxs for the email (09:13 AM) Buffy_04364: how is everyone feeling today? I myself don't seem to feel too anxious to get back to "the game" and trading (09:13 AM) Daniel X: hiya (09:13 AM) Buffy_04364: u welc (09:13 AM) jimbo_320: what would limit on es be on the dow approx? (09:13 AM) Daniel X: sam e here BUF (09:14 AM) dave_b_quik: me2 buffy (09:14 AM) proustt: feeling lousy (09:14 AM) Buffy_04364: tks guys - glad to feel not alone with this feeling (09:14 AM) proustt: you know this day will be full of suprises (09:14 AM) Indycator: definitely not, buffy (09:15 AM) proustt: where's Gorilla trader when we need him?? (09:15 AM) rich012: 2 mins of silence here at the open? (09:15 AM) tomsurf: Buffy, not fired up to trade at all right now (09:15 AM) Buffy_04364: I agree proustt (09:15 AM) Daniel X: yep 2 mins (09:15 AM) Daniel X: thays what they said (09:15 AM) Buffy_04364: with all these unknowns, market could turn so unexpectedly etc (09:15 AM) jimbo_320: i think a fireman is ringing the bell this morning after 2mins silence (09:16 AM) Buffy_04364: gt is here :-) (09:16 AM) Buffy_04364: or was (09:16 AM) Daniel X: last day of U so....... (09:16 AM) bruce_lee_2: Market must move up (09:16 AM) rich012: Going to be light trading though by day'e end (09:16 AM) Tom_B: ques is what route mkt takes to get there... (09:17 AM) beanman_1: On the ES, the offers vs. Bids are about 2:1 (1366 offers vs. 620 bids), but on the NQ there are 1201 offers vs. 105 bids.. (09:17 AM) jimbo_320: buffy do you remember what caused it when they opened at limit last time? (09:17 AM) Buffy_04364: no I don't jimbo (09:17 AM) jimbo_320: maybe the limit down will be HOD (09:17 AM) Buffy_04364: was new to this though so much off been may or before (09:17 AM) Daniel X: i've got -90 points on the ask..ouch (09:17 AM) dave_b_quik: CME website is down (09:18 AM) dave_b_quik: i show now bids, plenty of sellers tho (09:18 AM) rich012: Is dec the lead contract today? (09:18 AM) dave_b_quik: not 'til tomorrow (09:18 AM) Orprepus: Dave I was able to get on - just really slow (09:19 AM) klonerdoug: es trading? (09:19 AM) dave_b_quik: CME and CBOT deferred rollover 'til tomorrow (09:19 AM) dave_b_quik: index futures open today at 9:30 EST (09:19 AM) Buffy_04364: not until 9:30 (09:19 AM) Daniel X: anybody watching Gloomberg? (09:19 AM) Gorillatrader: looks like the close price they will be using is Monday, 4:15 prices., ES 1095.75, and NQ 1370.50; so we are at Limit Down in both at opening. (09:19 AM) dave_b_quik: tnx (09:19 AM) Jessie Livermore: Ok I'm back.. (09:19 AM) Buffy_04364: thaks GT (09:19 AM) dave_b_quik: from the grave? (09:20 AM) Jessie Livermore: First time in this room.. (09:20 AM) Buffy_04364: welcome Jessie (09:20 AM) Daniel X: what r they saying...what's the mood off the floor? (09:20 AM) Jessie Livermore: first time ever using pal talk.. (09:20 AM) hagen1: hello Jessie Paltalk: You DO have a choice! Buy bannerless to end your popup blues today! Click OPTIONS on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. Only $9.95 a year! That's less than THREE CENTS per day! WOW!!! (09:20 AM) Jessie Livermore: anyone here hang around the tfc forum ?? (09:20 AM) Daniel X: tfc? Paltalk: Get 4 DVDs for 49¢ each plus s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ¢ EACH! (09:20 AM) jimbo_320: anyone traded a day like this before? (09:21 AM) Daniel X: nope (09:21 AM) Jessie Livermore: tfc commodities site.. (09:21 AM) Daniel X: not me Jimbo (09:21 AM) dave_b_quik: nobody in the world, jimbo (09:21 AM) Buffy_04364: there hasn't been a day like this before jimbo (09:21 AM) Orprepus: don't think there has been a day like this before (09:21 AM) Orprepus: buffy - (09:21 AM) Daniel X: 87 crash was like this (09:21 AM) Jessie Livermore: how do we get rid of the ads ?? (09:21 AM) Gorillatrader: 1987, yes I was there. (09:21 AM) Daniel X: sorta (09:21 AM) dave_b_quik: nope, the market has never been closed this long... ever (09:21 AM) jimbo_320: nyse opening is even on bbc1 over here (09:22 AM) dave_b_quik: jesse, if you send paltalk $10 they'll turn off the ads (09:22 AM) Daniel X: not closed but the mood (09:22 AM) jimbo_320: did u trade the crash gt? (09:22 AM) trader139: wonder what vix will hit today (09:22 AM) Jessie Livermore: anyone ever heard of the UNDERTAKER....??? trader ?? (09:22 AM) Gorillatrader: I am staying out (09:22 AM) dave_b_quik: no, JL (09:22 AM) Buffy_04364: tks for saying that GT (09:23 AM) tomsurf: GT- very wise (09:23 AM) hagen1: me too, gorrialtrader (09:23 AM) rich012: Undertaker? He's a rassler ! LOL (09:23 AM) AlonA2: Jesse click on close on ads (09:23 AM) klonerdoug: i'm staying out too (09:23 AM) jimbo_320: no, but i bet it would post a reversal day (09:23 AM) jimbo_320: wont (09:23 AM) hagen1: fyi...mark douglas is not trading ...the disciplined trader himself :) (09:23 AM) Gorillatrader: heavy volume can over tax executions and confirmations (09:23 AM) Buffy_04364: with a week off I figure I want to make sure I am working too (09:23 AM) hagen1: at least not the first hour or so (09:24 AM) Buffy_04364: plus some wasn't fixed and they will be dong by hand (09:24 AM) klonerdoug: have some shorts stock wise ... will cover and send profits to nyfd (09:24 AM) Gorillatrader: in 1987, thou electronics could not handle, and locals, market makers stood aside (09:24 AM) Daniel X: stay out until tommorrow at least and watch to see when the"Plunge Protection Team" jumps on is the best you can do (09:24 AM) rich012: Scary that there is talk that Reagan National might be shut down permanently. Says they know they can't get airports secure enough. (09:24 AM) Jessie Livermore: can I get the dec emini symbol (09:25 AM) Gorillatrader: yes (09:25 AM) Buffy_04364: security might be turned over to military is also being discussed (09:25 AM) Orprepus: for what data feed?? (09:25 AM) larrybf: my IB screen shows no bidson the nq mini? isthatcorrect? (09:25 AM) klonerdoug: nqz1 (09:25 AM) klonerdoug: or nq01z (09:25 AM) rs_5: morning all (09:25 AM) Gorillatrader: we should have stepped up to Dec last Thursday (09:25 AM) Buffy_04364: sept still the contract (09:25 AM) tomsurf: larry- yes (09:25 AM) jimbo_320: they have all been traken already (09:25 AM) jimbo_320: taken (09:25 AM) Buffy_04364: rolloever tomorrow (09:25 AM) trader139: who wants to bid limit dowm (09:25 AM) Gorillatrader: betwen today and tomorrow, traders will shift to Dec (09:25 AM) dave_b_quik: GT, still lotta people stuck in Sept positions, so they moved rollover to tomorrow (09:26 AM) Gorillatrader: right, dave (09:26 AM) Daniel X: i heard they wanted to band short selling for today (09:26 AM) jimbo_320: fomc just bought 1000 nqs (09:26 AM) Jessie Livermore: whats the sept ??? (09:26 AM) Daniel X: ban (09:26 AM) dave_b_quik: NQ U1 (09:26 AM) jimbo_320: :-) (09:27 AM) Gorillatrader: band short selling and you create illiquidity...yes (09:27 AM) Daniel X: funny Jimbo (09:27 AM) dave_b_quik: getting some bids in NQ (09:27 AM) jimbo_320: they are waiting for the es to hit 1000 on the ask, then they'll buy them (09:27 AM) ppusa: is nq trading? (09:27 AM) beanman_1: Jimbo... who said FOMC bought 10000 NQ's (09:28 AM) Daniel X: it was a joke Beanman (09:28 AM) jimbo_320: here goes (09:28 AM) Jessie Livermore: ok.. (09:28 AM) Buffy_04364: http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/msg.gsp?msgid=16363569 (09:28 AM) Buffy_04364: that is for esignal users to get rid of blank days (09:28 AM) Buffy_04364: don't think we will have problem in ensign (09:28 AM) ppusa: i show nq trading. is this correct? (09:28 AM) Indycator: thanks buffy (09:28 AM) Daniel X: yes PP (09:28 AM) dave_b_quik: looks like it, ppusa (09:28 AM) Daniel X: -90 (09:28 AM) ppusa: tks (09:28 AM) klonerdoug: open on nq was 815 central time (09:28 AM) klonerdoug: now trading (09:29 AM) ppusa: just another day (09:29 AM) dave_b_quik: LOL (09:29 AM) ppusa: retro should work same as always (09:29 AM) jimbo_320: how long do we stay at limit for? (09:29 AM) Daniel X: 15 mins (09:29 AM) ppusa: until 10 min after open? (09:30 AM) jimbo_320: opening is on tv now (09:30 AM) Daniel X: opps (09:30 AM) Daniel X: 1rst we 'll have 2 mins of silence (09:30 AM) Jessie Livermore: Put your helmets on folks Paltalk: Credit report online. Always private, always secure, get yours FREE from ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! (09:31 AM) jimbo_320: anyone take a guess at the dow open? (09:31 AM) ppusa: down (09:32 AM) jimbo_320: points please? (09:33 AM) Buffy_04364: did they change the time on limit down? (09:33 AM) Buffy_04364: heard an hour then two hours at one point this weekend (09:33 AM) Buffy_04364: but who knows (09:33 AM) Daniel X: what that long? (09:33 AM) Daniel X: !!! (09:33 AM) dave_b_quik: anybody more news on the investigation of Bin Laden's short position put on the day before the attack? (09:33 AM) jimbo_320: what is the next limit after this on es another 60? (09:33 AM) tomsurf: jimbo- believe the ratio is 1 SP point = 8 Dow pts approx. (09:33 AM) Buffy_04364: just saying what I heard no confirmation (09:33 AM) Orprepus: FYI - I have found that if you do not have PT fullscreen - you only get the PT text adds - only see pop up when full screen and upon launch of pt (09:34 AM) Buffy_04364: they figured he did it the week before the attack dave (09:34 AM) Buffy_04364: yes tom it is pretty close (09:34 AM) dave_b_quik: were they able to freeze it, buffy? (09:34 AM) Daniel X: yes there were massive shorts positions put on insurance companies out of europe..Germany in particular...thats what i heard (09:34 AM) jimbo_320: ok thanks tom 9400 then approx (09:35 AM) Buffy_04364: they are still tracing the monies and looking at ADRs over here (09:35 AM) bruce_lee_2: God Blessssssssss Americaaaaa (09:35 AM) Buffy_04364: don't know about freezing it (09:35 AM) Buffy_04364: brb (09:35 AM) Daniel X: k (09:36 AM) ppusa: fire sale (09:36 AM) jimbo_320: 39 down on the dow? (09:36 AM) Daniel X: er thats not funny (09:36 AM) Daniel X: sorry (09:36 AM) ppusa: only until other opens (09:38 AM) ppusa: dow futures down525 (09:38 AM) Daniel X: go long security and defense stocks (09:38 AM) ppusa: plus down 255 on tuesday (09:38 AM) Gorillatrader: watch Ask size on nq and es (09:38 AM) Jessie Livermore: es locked... (09:38 AM) bruce_lee_2: Very good day to buy (09:38 AM) Gorillatrader: nq bought 150+ c (09:38 AM) ppusa: ndx only -88 (09:39 AM) dave_b_quik: some bids coming now in NQ, brave patriots! (09:40 AM) Indycator: wow, dow futures just ticked 8700, 8750, 8800 (09:40 AM) beanman_1: Dave, those could be brave patriots or longs that cannot take any more pain... Paltalk: Get 12 FREE CDs! Click for Details, CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! (09:41 AM) hagen1: lock limit on es and nq (09:41 AM) jimbo_320: charting is strange today (09:41 AM) ppusa: bonds are not nearly as strong as i would expect (09:42 AM) dave_b_quik: ya, that's a good sign (09:42 AM) beanman_1: bonds were open last week.. already reacted.. (09:42 AM) Orprepus: I dont know about yall but i am having a very difficult time watching this - saw the opening on tv and could not help myself and started crying (09:42 AM) dave_b_quik: bonds didn't react much last week either (09:42 AM) Gorillatrader: Bonds traded Thurs and Friday (09:42 AM) Daniel X: Nas trin 1.270!!! (09:42 AM) ppusa: yes although that can change...ordinarily they would be up liimit (09:43 AM) hagen1: emotional..yes, Orprepus (09:43 AM) ppusa: maybe because of weak dollar (09:43 AM) Gorillatrader: intraday, on Thursday, Bonds were great, down early then rallied (09:43 AM) dave_b_quik: still was an inside day, GT (09:43 AM) Gorillatrader: true, was trading intraday (09:44 AM) beanman_1: JImbo... charts are strange because there are not ticks.. prices are limit down (09:45 AM) Buffy_04364: orep - you are not alone - think of how the MM must feel emotionally too (09:45 AM) rich012: NDX moving up (09:45 AM) Dirk-X: Morning. (09:45 AM) Daniel X: gm Dirk (09:46 AM) Dirk-X: How come the limit staying active for >10 minutes? (09:46 AM) Dirk-X: oh (09:46 AM) dave_b_quik: limit's off (09:46 AM) Dirk-X: guess its not (09:46 AM) Daniel X: because we had 2 mins of silence at the open (09:46 AM) Jessie Livermore: what ?? (09:46 AM) Jessie Livermore: curbs are in on the dow.. (09:46 AM) Gorillatrader: limit down are based on the big contracts, not emini (09:47 AM) Buffy_04364: tks gt (09:47 AM) Orprepus: IMO what is important is that we are open and beginning to trade/invest again - up move would be nice but i do not really think it matters as long as the markets stay open (09:47 AM) jimbo_320: thanks beanman, low was 1018 (09:47 AM) rich012: NDX still moving up (09:47 AM) Buffy_04364: true orprepus (09:47 AM) dave_b_quik: agree, orp (09:47 AM) Daniel X: PPT? (09:47 AM) Buffy_04364: they did a fantastic job getting it up for today (09:47 AM) Buffy_04364: many long hours were put in (09:47 AM) rich012: Surpising that the ES has not move up at all (09:47 AM) rich012: open (09:48 AM) ppusa: bonds close to their low (09:48 AM) Dirk-X: I'm not touching this with a ten foot pole today (09:48 AM) Mario73: sorry - what the current month for the nasdaq e-mini? (09:48 AM) wayne_53: there goes ES (09:48 AM) Buffy_04364: ok so cnnbc had that wrong also last night - can't trust a thing now a days (09:48 AM) dave_b_quik: sept today, dec tomorrow (09:48 AM) Buffy_04364: reality is the truth (09:48 AM) Mario73: thanks (09:48 AM) Daniel X: MM were given the right to illegally manipulate to stabilize this (09:49 AM) Buffy_04364: yes they were (09:49 AM) rich012: Very lttile showing on the market depth. Light trading (09:49 AM) Jessie Livermore: anyone long ??? (09:49 AM) Buffy_04364: many other unknown to us forces at work too I am sure (09:49 AM) Buffy_04364: not trading (09:49 AM) jimbo_320: dan just today? (09:49 AM) ppusa: dow futures still down much lower. Everything must not be oopen yet (09:49 AM) david h_2: jessie would be long here (09:49 AM) Daniel X: not sure Jimbo (09:50 AM) Daniel X: whole week i would imagine (09:50 AM) Mario73: could somebody of you please explain me the roll over rules (09:50 AM) Buffy_04364: retro would be long right dave? is what you mean (09:50 AM) Buffy_04364: we are doing sept today Paltalk: To visit our sponsors, click on banners! (09:50 AM) Buffy_04364: many caught in possitions (09:50 AM) Buffy_04364: dec tomorrow (09:50 AM) dave_b_quik: retro a patriot (09:50 AM) Buffy_04364: :-) Paltalk: Get 4 DVDs for 49¢ each plush s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ¢ EACH! (09:51 AM) Mario73: when to roll over - what are the rules - so that I can know it in advance by myself (09:51 AM) Daniel X: Then he should have pought an Amereican car not the BMW!! (09:51 AM) trader139: NW AIR -36% (09:51 AM) Gorillatrader: step-up, or rollover 2 thursday before expiration, Mario (09:51 AM) Mario73: thank you (09:52 AM) rich012: Cramer on cnbc now (09:52 AM) trader139: vix 43.6 (09:53 AM) jimbo_320: is dow charting today? (09:54 AM) Jessie Livermore: short 1028 (09:54 AM) jimbo_320: my charts are screwed (09:54 AM) ppusa: dow futures coming back (09:55 AM) Indycator: dow futures 400 off its lows already (09:55 AM) ppusa: don't forget dow futures down 255 tuesday before they were closed (09:56 AM) rich012: I will not short today. Un-american, plus you are likly to get squeezed big time. (09:56 AM) Jessie Livermore: Im canadian... (09:56 AM) Daniel X: Jesse from where? (09:56 AM) Jessie Livermore: Vancouver (09:56 AM) Gorillatrader: un-american to short? who provides liquidity? (09:56 AM) Daniel X: oh ok (09:57 AM) Jessie Livermore: you ?? (09:57 AM) dave_b_quik: jesse, you know Teresa Lo? (09:57 AM) Daniel X: Montreal (09:57 AM) Orprepus: right GT (09:57 AM) Jessie Livermore: nope.. (09:57 AM) Buffy_04364: The Dow Jones, S&P, Nasdaq will only be accepting MARKET orders at this time. All other order types will be rejected (09:57 AM) Buffy_04364: just in from Best (09:57 AM) Buffy_04364: no thank you (09:57 AM) Daniel X: what ?!!! (09:58 AM) dave_b_quik: T.Lo is from vancouver, www trendvue.com (09:58 AM) Dirk-X: Does that include CME, Buffy? (09:58 AM) Jessie Livermore: ah ok.. (09:58 AM) jimbo_320: u serious? (09:58 AM) Buffy_04364: just copied what I got (09:58 AM) Gorillatrader: BESt is not hte best for sure (09:58 AM) Daniel X: as usual the small guy gets it (09:58 AM) Buffy_04364: I don't know dirk (09:58 AM) Jessie Livermore: here's the top she's gonna fall guys and gals.. (09:58 AM) jimbo_320: bollocks to that (09:58 AM) Dirk-X: Just in case I have an eleven foot pole around...LOL (09:59 AM) Buffy_04364: The Emini's (GLOBEX) are accepting all order types (09:59 AM) Indycator: esig not working here (09:59 AM) Buffy_04364: is also there (09:59 AM) dave_b_quik: eSignal OK here (09:59 AM) Dirk-X: mine is indy (09:59 AM) Indycator: thanks dave,dirk (09:59 AM) Daniel X: Buffy that doesn't help if you cannot use stops (10:00 AM) dave_b_quik: why can't you use stops, dan? (10:00 AM) Buffy_04364: globex is accepting all types (10:00 AM) Buffy_04364: so it is the stock traders (10:00 AM) Indycator: now working (10:00 AM) Daniel X: really (10:00 AM) Buffy_04364: to reduce load on the system? Welcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders and TrendVUE.com alumni. Today's charts at www.DaCharts.com WARNING: Any trades posted here are for educational purposes only. Don't take the trades unless you understand them and can take the risk. (10:01 AM) Daniel X: deer with a limp here (10:02 AM) Jessie Livermore: Toronto is up.. (10:02 AM) jimbo_320: patriots - except when it comes to money (10:02 AM) Orprepus: they are there other wise we would be a lot lower (10:02 AM) Buffy_04364: tks jessie (10:02 AM) Jessie Livermore: np.. (10:02 AM) Jessie Livermore: I'm still short... (10:03 AM) Buffy_04364: anyone in T's room also and know how she is handleing this? (10:03 AM) Daniel X: 2 differnet Patriotic views at work here (10:03 AM) jimbo_320: low volume today? seems it (10:03 AM) Buffy_04364: yes it does jimbo (10:03 AM) dave_b_quik: T made 1 trade in ES already, out at even (10:03 AM) hagen1: nok up 10% (10:03 AM) Buffy_04364: thanks dave (10:03 AM) Jessie Livermore: My heart is with all you americans....don't get me wrong because I'm short this market.. (10:04 AM) dave_b_quik: it's OK, Jessie (10:04 AM) Orprepus: for US markets to catch up with rest of worldmarkets we need to see an across the board 5% drop today (10:04 AM) Gorillatrader: nothing wrong being Short this market (10:04 AM) rambler_12: u da man jesse (10:04 AM) Dirk-X: retro short from 1272.5 (10:04 AM) tomsurf: Jessie- no problem (10:05 AM) Gorillatrader: US Hedge Funds and large traders are short too,,,big time (10:05 AM) Jessie Livermore: I even gave blood this week for you guys.. (10:05 AM) rambler_12: valuing the market is patriotic imo (10:05 AM) Mario73: what is todays low on your charts for the nq u1? (10:05 AM) Buffy_04364: test of low coming up? (10:05 AM) dave_b_quik: 1265.50, mario (10:06 AM) jimbo_320: is retro using a 20 point stop today? (10:06 AM) Dirk-X: I have 1261 mario (10:06 AM) Dirk-X: retro out 15 (10:06 AM) Dirk-X: sorry -5 (10:06 AM) Gorillatrader: 1261 Low S&P Comstock (10:06 AM) Mario73: I have 1261 AND 1265,5 - 1261 at the 30min, 1265,5 at the 15min - what a surprise1!!! (10:07 AM) jimbo_320: qq are down 7% (10:07 AM) dave_b_quik: hmmm, on eSignal i have NQ LOD 1265.50 (10:07 AM) Gorillatrader: Low from quote page (10:07 AM) jimbo_320: i have 1261 (10:07 AM) Daniel X: 1261. is what it is (10:08 AM) ppusa: 1261 here (10:08 AM) Tom_B: esig 1261 here (10:08 AM) Gorillatrader: S&P Comstock most reliable (10:08 AM) dave_b_quik: OK, on quote page low is 1261, on chart 1265.50 (10:08 AM) jimbo_320: what is the biggest points loss on the dow ever, we are off 550 now (10:08 AM) Daniel X: my charts are matched (10:08 AM) Tom_B: 1261 @ 8:44 cst (10:09 AM) Daniel X: good question on the DOW (10:09 AM) Orprepus: jimbo it is the percentage loss that is important (10:09 AM) dave_b_quik: jimbo, that's close to the biggest 1 day dow drop, but this is a week's drop (10:10 AM) jimbo_320: dave, y that it true with exchanges closed a week Paltalk: Britney,Dido,Outkast,+ MORE! 12 CDs Free + s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! (10:11 AM) Gorillatrader: DOW Halt limit is -1,100 (10:13 AM) Gorillatrader: AXP not opened yet (10:13 AM) Daniel X: anyone know how long after the rollover are you allowed to take delivery? (10:13 AM) dave_b_quik: NQ 2B bottom? (10:13 AM) dave_b_quik: dan, you trading bellies, or what? (10:13 AM) Daniel X: lol (10:14 AM) Daniel X: yeah puke bellies (10:14 AM) Gorillatrader: bellies are nice trades (10:14 AM) jimbo_320: MSCC is up 5.3 today 25% (10:15 AM) jimbo_320: sorry 22% (10:15 AM) jimbo_320: lets hope we rally and can stick the two fingers up to BinLaden (10:16 AM) Daniel X: he denied it though Jimbo (10:16 AM) ppusa: t-bonds are in a triangle (10:16 AM) Daniel X: we'll see (10:17 AM) jimbo_320: we have a big gap to close :-) (10:17 AM) Daniel X: yes we do (10:17 AM) Daniel X: if we do it in 1 day it won't hold (10:18 AM) jimbo_320: axp open -17%, dow down to 630 (10:18 AM) wayne_53: All companies open on Dow now (10:18 AM) Dirk-X: retro long from 1286.5 (10:18 AM) ppusa: cnbc all dow stocks are open (10:19 AM) Daniel X: last week before the attack i mentioned that i read therewas a prediction that the market would crash by OCT 10th..i'm thinking if we rally and start concentrating on the economy we still can crash (10:20 AM) ppusa: this isn't? (10:20 AM) Daniel X: don't thinjk so (10:20 AM) ppusa: bonds breaking (10:20 AM) ppusa: a little bit Paltalk: Subscribe to Paltalk Plus to stop the popups today! Get it NOW for less than THREE CENTS a day! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. (10:21 AM) jimbo_320: if 650 points isnt a crash then what is? Paltalk: Get 4 DVDs for 49¢ each plus s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ¢ EACH! (10:21 AM) Daniel X: we'll crash when there's no longer any hope (10:22 AM) jimbo_320: testing limit down (10:22 AM) Daniel X: this it a reaction to the attack not the economy (10:22 AM) rich012: This is no crash (10:22 AM) rlee_2: symbolic low on mini 1019 = 911 (10:22 AM) Daniel X: per say (10:23 AM) ppusa: nq should at least bounce 25 points off low (10:23 AM) Tom_B: the best trades come from the toughest decisions (10:23 AM) jimbo_320: hvb at es limit down (10:25 AM) Daniel X: 10 point spread between U and Z (10:25 AM) Daniel X: is that normal? (10:25 AM) dave_b_quik: y (10:26 AM) dave_b_quik: reflects 3 months interest (10:26 AM) Daniel X: k thnx (10:29 AM) gulabo_2: hi allllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll (10:30 AM) dave_b_quik: yo, g (10:30 AM) rich012: where did jessielivermore go? (10:31 AM) rich012: tried to warn him about shorting down there. Oh well. Paltalk: Credit report online. Always private, always secure, get yours FREE from ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! (10:31 AM) dave_b_quik: put on his shorts and left (10:31 AM) Daniel X: i think he got creamwd (10:31 AM) jimbo_320: hvb at 1040 (10:33 AM) Daniel X: usually when a participating trader leaves the romm unexpectedly it means troble (10:33 AM) Daniel X: trouble (10:33 AM) Daniel X: ask PPUSA!!! (10:34 AM) Daniel X: ;-) (10:34 AM) dave_b_quik: ppusa has been forthright about sharing his victories and defeats, no? (10:35 AM) Daniel X: he knows what i mean (10:36 AM) Daniel X: i always worry about a trader who suddenly gets quiet (10:38 AM) Daniel X: back in 10:45 (10:38 AM) Daniel X: at (10:39 AM) klonerdoug: i wouldn't worry about jl... i think he was short going into today (10:40 AM) klonerdoug: but u are right dan about traders going quiet (10:40 AM) klonerdoug: i've been there (10:41 AM) Daniel X: me too Paltalk: Get 12 FREE CDs! Click for Details, CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! (10:41 AM) rambler_12: i know i dont feel very talkative when im down (10:41 AM) klonerdoug: i'm very hesitant to post trades today (10:42 AM) klonerdoug: only taking longs though (10:44 AM) Buffy_04364: you all know I am quiet when out of it :-) (10:44 AM) Buffy_04364: and don't feel like trading (10:45 AM) Buffy_04364: If some exchanges are only taking market orders that gives the MM more room to manipulate right? (10:46 AM) dave_b_quik: gives the mm more profit op (10:46 AM) dave_b_quik: sounds better than room to manipulate (10:46 AM) Buffy_04364: LOL (10:46 AM) Buffy_04364: true dave (10:46 AM) Buffy_04364: tks (10:46 AM) Gorillatrader: ask the market makers if they not shorting? (10:47 AM) jimbo_320: MM manipulate, no change there (10:47 AM) Dirk-X: retor still long from 86.5 (10:47 AM) Dirk-X: SL=93 (10:48 AM) Buffy_04364: anyone else looking at ticki? doesn't look right here (10:48 AM) Gorillatrader: ES buy signal 1035 above morning range resistance and limit down prices (10:49 AM) Orprepus: whats wrong with it buffy (10:49 AM) jimbo_320: my tick trin and dow charts are not working (10:50 AM) Buffy_04364: doesn't look like 30 stocks being reported but I really don't know about it (10:50 AM) Buffy_04364: of course with curbs it that might affect it right? Paltalk: Please visit our advertisers by clicking on banners. (10:51 AM) gravestonedoggie: go to quote.com free chart - trin tick dow all working fine therre Paltalk: Get 4 DVDs for 49¢ each plush s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ¢ EACH! (10:51 AM) Orprepus: seems ok to me (10:53 AM) jimbo_320: ibm making a move (10:53 AM) jimbo_320: 1 min chart very well behaved sine 10.15 (10:56 AM) jimbo_320: strange charts working now (10:58 AM) wayne_53: Warning..there is an email being passed around that claims Nastrdamus predicted this bombing and giving references to his words. This is a hoax. Don't fall for it (10:59 AM) Gorillatrader: TICk bottom at 10:11 on 3min chart (10:59 AM) Buffy_04364: yes it is wayne (10:59 AM) rich012: klouger, he shorted this morning at 1028 or 1027 I think (10:59 AM) Gorillatrader: Shorting there was okay, not having a STOP is what is Wrong. Not reversing another sin Paltalk: Get your FREE credit report @ ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! (11:01 AM) Gorillatrader: that's why Retro premise is sound, disciplined approach (11:01 AM) Daniel X: 1304 pivot support 2 (11:02 AM) jimbo_320: it was nOstradamus LOL (11:02 AM) Gorillatrader: lol (11:02 AM) Daniel X: it was Nastydamass (11:02 AM) rambler_12: buffy i got a note abort indexes on nextrend-- software change (11:03 AM) jimbo_320: today has been very trending so far (11:03 AM) rambler_12: about (11:04 AM) Gorillatrader: Will the Feds come to my door if I SHort? (11:05 AM) tomsurf: GT- lol (11:05 AM) dave_b_quik: you been calling Afghanistan much? (11:05 AM) Gorillatrader: lol (11:05 AM) Gorillatrader: no Afghan flag here (11:05 AM) Buffy_04364: oh ramble what kind of change (11:06 AM) Buffy_04364: GSD candle on 15M (11:06 AM) gravestonedoggie: hehe (11:06 AM) Buffy_04364: glad you are here :-) (11:07 AM) Buffy_04364: at least the room has some normalcy to it (11:07 AM) Buffy_04364: :-) (11:07 AM) gravestonedoggie: hey, thnx... incredible times (11:07 AM) rambler_12: they have to do something and thank us for our patience -buffy (11:07 AM) dave_b_quik: not normal for GSD to be this quiet (11:07 AM) jimbo_320: ema5 is 1295 (11:07 AM) gravestonedoggie: glad all are here (11:08 AM) Buffy_04364: true dave but everyone is here - ditto gsd (11:08 AM) Buffy_04364: real normal is yet to be found at least here (11:09 AM) Buffy_04364: tks ramble (11:09 AM) Orprepus: anyone know what csco is doing today?? Paltalk: Britney,Dido,Outkast,+ MORE! 12 CDs Free + s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! (11:11 AM) tomsurf: CSCO at 13.910 (11:12 AM) tomsurf: -.55 (11:14 AM) Orprepus: thanks tomsurf - was interested in how their stock buy back is going (11:15 AM) Buffy_04364: there are so many buying back today (11:15 AM) jimbo_320: trin 1.07, tick 550, program ? (11:16 AM) jimbo_320: unusual to see trending up last hour or so then tick -550 (11:17 AM) Buffy_04364: the game has changed? (11:17 AM) Orprepus: believe crash protection or corp stock buy back kicked in (11:18 AM) Orprepus: iron corss on 16m (11:18 AM) Orprepus: with db (11:18 AM) jimbo_320: bear flag on nq 1 at support (11:19 AM) Buffy_04364: tks orp (11:19 AM) jimbo_320: could be right, but then today is an unusual day :-) (11:19 AM) Buffy_04364: consolidation here (11:19 AM) gravestonedoggie: ticks reached -1100, then came all the way back to 0 on the rally adn rally failed right there (11:19 AM) ppusa: sold 1305.5 (11:19 AM) ppusa: covered (11:20 AM) Buffy_04364: need to see where it goes from here (11:20 AM) Buffy_04364: nice ppusa (11:20 AM) Buffy_04364: glad someone can handle trading today (11:20 AM) ppusa: to me it's just another day...Probably sounds cruel but charts are charts Paltalk: Your friends are just a click away! Press the invite button NOW! (11:20 AM) Orprepus: nice pp (11:21 AM) ppusa: playing extremes (11:21 AM) Tom_B: good chance Fed will be standing under mkt Paltalk: Get 4 DVDs for 49¢ each plus s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ¢ EACH! (11:21 AM) ppusa: nas was quite oversold ... imo big difference between dow and nas (11:21 AM) gravestonedoggie: fed ahs taken a number of aggressive steps to boost market (11:22 AM) ppusa: when the floor traders start giving away $$$, then i will consider that day different (11:22 AM) Tom_B: Fed has been known to come in thru dealers & support mkt.. (11:23 AM) jimbo_320: has anyone got thesymbol for the dec contract on nextrend please? (11:23 AM) Gorillatrader: substitute "U" for a "Z" (11:23 AM) klonerdoug: my opinion that fed bought futs at limit down at open (11:23 AM) Orprepus: right pp (11:23 AM) gravestonedoggie: future price beginnning to get jsut a bit less jumpy (11:24 AM) jimbo_320: y, but on nextrend it is something like esp1'cm (11:24 AM) ppusa: my broker said switch to dec nq tomorrow. Anyone hear different? (11:24 AM) Gorillatrader: go to CME and look at Globex symbols...different letters (11:24 AM) jimbo_320: kd, imho who else would of bought then (11:24 AM) Tom_B: Z tomorrow (11:25 AM) gravestonedoggie: yes, ppusa (11:25 AM) jimbo_320: GT, y but NT has some funny symbols (11:25 AM) ppusa: tks (11:25 AM) Gorillatrader: ok, thx (11:29 AM) jimbo_320: 10,000 contracts, small change (11:30 AM) Gorillatrader: Nov Beans rallying from down Gap reversal Paltalk: Credit report online. Always private, always secure, get yours FREE from ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! (11:31 AM) Gorillatrader: DOJ being evacuated (11:32 AM) Buffy_04364: I won't ask if you are kidding GT (11:32 AM) Buffy_04364: I know you are not (11:33 AM) Gorillatrader: nope, CNBC..I'll never put false info here (11:33 AM) Buffy_04364: I know you wouldn't (11:33 AM) Buffy_04364: just my way of dealing (11:33 AM) jimbo_320: Orp, posted csco chart (11:33 AM) Buffy_04364: sorry to imply anything else (11:34 AM) rich012: DOJ thought to be a false alarm (happens often) or a bomb threat. (11:34 AM) Gorillatrader: its okay, try to post the source (11:34 AM) Gorillatrader: thx Rich (11:34 AM) Buffy_04364: tks rich (11:34 AM) Buffy_04364: many are afraid of something happening trying to bring the markets back (11:35 AM) rich012: msnbc reporting now on DOJ. Bomb threat called in (11:35 AM) gravestonedoggie: transports down over 350 (11:35 AM) Orprepus: gsd confirms dow drop (11:36 AM) Orprepus: dow theory in action (11:36 AM) Buffy_04364: needs to make higher high here for sure - nq (11:37 AM) Orprepus: percentage difference indicates potential for more selling (11:37 AM) gravestonedoggie: yes (11:37 AM) gravestonedoggie: divergences in small timeframes on es (11:37 AM) gravestonedoggie: as it made hod (11:39 AM) Buffy_04364: orprepus - where did you decide to anchor the pyra on 4M (11:39 AM) jimbo_320: maxxed out vix hit 47.29 (11:40 AM) gravestonedoggie: wow.. did not know vix was so high (11:41 AM) Orprepus: just min buffy Paltalk: Get 12 FREE CDs! Click for Details, CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! (11:41 AM) Buffy_04364: take your time (11:42 AM) ppusa: does anyone want to hear about my 200 point PnF chart? (11:43 AM) ppusa: i didn't think so (11:43 AM) jimbo_320: mrk and chv only dow stocks up (11:43 AM) Buffy_04364: sure why not ppusa (11:44 AM) Orprepus: swing high on the 10th 1380 - I also now extended my market hour times to include 1.5hrs of overnight - so I start capturing data at 7am instead of 8;30am (11:44 AM) Buffy_04364: do and rig up earlier when I was looking at muted ticker tape on cnnbc a while back (11:44 AM) Buffy_04364: tks orp (11:45 AM) Orprepus: welcome buffy (11:45 AM) Orprepus: pp what about 200 pnf?? (11:46 AM) ppusa: joke... i have been talking about it since 1800 (11:46 AM) Orprepus: hehe (11:46 AM) ppusa: however the 50, 75 and 125... (11:47 AM) Orprepus: pp we saw 1400 before 1800 (11:47 AM) gravestonedoggie: prices still very jumpy (11:48 AM) ppusa: well op, actually we have seen 1800 first...it's just that it was a cieling (11:48 AM) ppusa: ceiling (11:49 AM) Orprepus: we had that discussion when we were at 1600 (11:49 AM) jimbo_320: is this a puke day? (11:49 AM) dave_b_quik: no, very bullish so far because it didn't puke (11:49 AM) ppusa: and 1500 and 1400 and (11:50 AM) gravestonedoggie: never thought i would see the day when i was happy to see the dow only down 450 points (11:50 AM) ppusa: bomb threats (11:50 AM) Orprepus: yup Paltalk: Go bannerless and support PalTalk! Subscribe today! Only $9.95 a year! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. Paltalk: Get 4 DVDs for 49¢ each plush s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ¢ EACH! (11:51 AM) ppusa: i am going to find a place to buy even if it's just for a tick. (11:51 AM) Orprepus: anyone else prem locked up?? (11:52 AM) rambler_12: nows the time for all good men to come to the aid of their nq (11:52 AM) jimbo_320: n, prem 4.62 (11:52 AM) jimbo_320: prem hit -40, that was the buy ! (11:53 AM) ppusa: when? (11:53 AM) jimbo_320: 9.45 (11:53 AM) trader139: taliban hedging on bin laden (11:54 AM) ppusa: i was trading bonds this am (11:54 AM) dave_b_quik: when a war only causes NQ to go down 100 points in a week, that's pretty bullish (11:54 AM) ppusa: don't forget markets fell 5 to 10 % (11:54 AM) jimbo_320: lets hope that was bin laden adding more shorts (11:54 AM) ppusa: 100 points nq = (11:55 AM) ppusa: 77 percent (11:56 AM) ppusa: okok 7.7 (11:57 AM) dave_b_quik: NQ LOD was -8% from 9/10 close (11:57 AM) ppusa: in line (11:57 AM) ppusa: also foreign markets bounced following day (11:58 AM) ppusa: then down again (11:59 AM) ppusa: monday's low nq 1314 (11:59 AM) ppusa: sorry Tuesday's low before close (11:59 AM) ppusa: today's high 1311 (12:01 PM) dave_b_quik: NQ 3m TL poke Paltalk: Get your FREE credit report @ ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! (12:02 PM) Buffy_04364: does anyone show the ticki hitting -22 today? (12:03 PM) ppusa: Dave, r u referring to TL drawn off lows that we are sitting on? (12:03 PM) dave_b_quik: i'll post (12:03 PM) gravestonedoggie: tiki -18 seems to be low (12:03 PM) Orprepus: not me buffy - +22 and +24 but not -22 (12:04 PM) gravestonedoggie: but many dow stocks were not open during early going, so tiki problaby would ahve readched greater extreme had they been open.. a bit deceptive (12:05 PM) Gorillatrader: plot the TICK, interesting trending pattern (12:05 PM) gravestonedoggie: given that ticks hit -1100 and dow was down 600, a more extreme minus tiki reading would ahve been likely if all dow stocks been open (12:07 PM) jimbo_320: looking clunky? (12:07 PM) gravestonedoggie: i am hearing ecb cuts rates in here this morning (12:08 PM) gravestonedoggie: yes, jimbo (12:08 PM) Orprepus: fyi - we have taken out mar and apr lows for the down and nasdaq (12:09 PM) gravestonedoggie: sp too (12:09 PM) jimbo_320: and dow (12:10 PM) Orprepus: down = dow (12:10 PM) luv-to-trade: is the first limit down stop for the dow 500 points? (12:11 PM) luv-to-trade: or is it a percentage? I can't remember (12:11 PM) Gorillatrader: Fox News reoprting that NYSE Floor trader were shorting heavily Airline stocks... (12:11 PM) rambler_12: i heard 1100 (12:11 PM) luv-to-trade: Wow! (12:11 PM) rambler_12: luv (12:11 PM) luv-to-trade: Is it really a high number for the nasdaq and sp too? (12:11 PM) Gorillatrader: -1,100 on DOW Paltalk: Britney,Dido,Outkast,+ MORE! 12 CDs Free + s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! (12:12 PM) ppusa: thanks for the post Dave. (12:12 PM) dave_b_quik: k (12:13 PM) luv-to-trade: so are you all trading today? (12:13 PM) Orprepus: nice chart bman (12:14 PM) Buffy_04364: tks beanma (12:14 PM) luv-to-trade: gorillatrader, do you know what the limits are on the nq and sp? (12:14 PM) Gorillatrader: 60/90 (12:14 PM) beanman_1: fyi, posted wkly ES pyra chart.. (12:14 PM) Gorillatrader: 90/60 (12:15 PM) Buffy_04364: perfect poke bar posted (12:16 PM) Daniel X: trusting charts today? (12:16 PM) Daniel X: lol (12:16 PM) ppusa: i didn't take it but the hour chart looked like it would be a good poke (12:16 PM) ppusa: i am gearing up for my patriotic duty (12:16 PM) trader139: my chart indicators look the same as usual (12:17 PM) Buffy_04364: test of 1289 low now (12:17 PM) Daniel X: so go long defense stocks (12:17 PM) jimbo_320: GSD posted DOW entry signal for es short (12:18 PM) Daniel X: disaster is good for buisness as sick as that sounds (12:18 PM) Buffy_04364: nice jimbo tks (12:18 PM) Daniel X: NY will have an injection of $$$$$ (12:19 PM) Tom_B: who posted the eagle with the file ? (12:19 PM) Buffy_04364: dave did I think over the weekend (12:19 PM) Daniel X: Law Enforcement/security and related technology (12:19 PM) Daniel X: etc etc (12:19 PM) ppusa: i heard bush received 1000000 from Microsoft in campaign contributions and now the justice dept will not break it up (12:19 PM) Buffy_04364: I had one of eagle with tear in his eye (12:20 PM) Buffy_04364: wouldn't surprise me (12:20 PM) Buffy_04364: nothing will anymore I don't think (12:20 PM) Tom_B: check da charts for today (12:20 PM) Orprepus: pp your missing a zero (12:20 PM) ppusa: 10 mill? (12:20 PM) Orprepus: yup Paltalk: Please support our sponsors by clicking on banners. (12:21 PM) gravestonedoggie: thnx jimbo (12:21 PM) trader139: pp u are missing more than that (12:21 PM) ppusa: such as? (12:21 PM) jimbo_320: there was a hvb at HOD, missed it though, should pay more attention (12:21 PM) ppusa: not signing land mine ban Paltalk: Get 4 DVDs for 49¢ each plus s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ¢ EACH! (12:22 PM) ppusa: chemical weapon ban (12:22 PM) jimbo_320: covered half for +5 es, rest runs (12:22 PM) trader139: such as the ability to use discretion at the appropriate time (12:23 PM) ppusa: could be but (12:24 PM) ppusa: there is a lot of political stuff going on right now that i find quite irritating. (12:25 PM) ppusa: and i think "Americans" are missing a lot of it. I know last week has got me thinking about a lot of our policies. (12:26 PM) Orprepus: pp it is all irritating (12:26 PM) jimbo_320: es could be making h+s here (12:27 PM) ppusa: and i guess my point is i am looking for more info than what is being presented and i hope you all are too (12:27 PM) tomsurf: I like that eagle pic. gonna print it out later (12:27 PM) Buffy_04364: there are many great pictures out there right now (12:27 PM) Buffy_04364: will try to get the one I was talking about posted (12:27 PM) ab_18: y (12:30 PM) gravestonedoggie: agree with you ppusa that basic nature of democracy can't be dropped (12:30 PM) Buffy_04364: also have one of new WTC to post (12:30 PM) Buffy_04364: eagle is up (12:31 PM) tomsurf: Buffy, great...where are you finding them? Paltalk: Credit report online. Always private, always secure, get yours FREE from ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! (12:32 PM) Tom_B: ppusa, u mentioned "policies' anyone want to read about why some others might be motivated to do us harm..ck out www.alternet.org This is for info purposes only..This is NOT my personal position. (12:32 PM) Buffy_04364: my friends tom (12:32 PM) Buffy_04364: both up now (12:32 PM) GGriz: "We're gonna smoke 'em out, we're gonna get 'em running, and we're gonna get 'em" -------GWB (12:32 PM) tomsurf: Buffy, thx (12:33 PM) ppusa: thanks Tom...I am interested. (12:33 PM) Orprepus: buffy lets rebuild with the last one (12:33 PM) Buffy_04364: look like it was a bear flag :-( (12:34 PM) Buffy_04364: yes it is just different enough - Diane sent me that one (12:36 PM) ppusa: great post Buffy (12:37 PM) luv-to-trade: I lost my connection right after someone told me limit down for the dow was 1100...... (12:37 PM) luv-to-trade: anyone else lose paltalk? (12:37 PM) Orprepus: brb - breakfast (12:41 PM) Buffy_04364: been ok here lub (12:41 PM) Buffy_04364: luv (12:41 PM) Buffy_04364: with all these stock buybacks - bottom line will be influenced (12:42 PM) Taddy1: r those messages intended for me (12:42 PM) strad -: Buffy...where did you post those pics? Paltalk: Get 12 FREE CDs! Click for Details, CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! (12:42 PM) Buffy_04364: www.dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart.com (12:43 PM) Buffy_04364: under todays date (12:43 PM) strad -: ok thx (12:43 PM) Taddy1: did anybody here my message (12:43 PM) Taddy1: ??? (12:43 PM) luv-to-trade: so you are trading today Buffy? (12:43 PM) Buffy_04364: no didn't hear and no not trading (12:44 PM) Buffy_04364: how about you luv (12:44 PM) luv-to-trade: tried one, and got scared at the erratic movement. lol (12:44 PM) Buffy_04364: yeah calling them mentally (12:44 PM) Buffy_04364: must say though market doing well with this volume so far (12:45 PM) jimbo_320: looking clunky again (12:45 PM) luv-to-trade: Taddy, you can go to www.cme.com to find out about the globex products we daytrade (12:45 PM) Buffy_04364: another flag maybe? (12:45 PM) Buffy_04364: nq (12:45 PM) Buffy_04364: also some stuff posted at www.dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart.com Taddy (12:46 PM) Taddy1: luv to trade can i also learn from there basic knowledge abut the stock market?? (12:47 PM) luv-to-trade: I think this is true, it is not my room, so I shouldn't speak out (12:47 PM) jimbo_320: 45 goes, support is way down (12:47 PM) luv-to-trade: we dont't trade any individual stocks in here, but the stock indexes as a whole (12:47 PM) Taddy1: thankyou all so much for your help (12:47 PM) Buffy_04364: there are many links at the website I gave you also go to www.trendvue.com (12:47 PM) Buffy_04364: luv no prob (12:47 PM) jimbo_320: taddy try www.fool.com has some good info on the markeys generally (12:48 PM) luv-to-trade: and I think that trader's alliance is basickally stocks, isn't it? (12:49 PM) Buffy_04364: don't know lub (12:49 PM) Buffy_04364: luv (12:49 PM) Buffy_04364: drat gotta quit hitting the b for v today sorry (12:49 PM) luv-to-trade: uh-oh, dow moving down again (12:49 PM) jimbo_320: ta is a bit of a pump n sell alliance web site, not really for newbies (12:50 PM) ppusa: the early runup was so far HOD. Now new lows? (12:51 PM) ppusa: or at least retest Paltalk: Are banners a bummer and popups a pain? Cure your banner blues NOW for $9.95 a year! Click HELP on your Pal List then select Bannerless PalTalk to subscribe now! No banners! No Popups! Fast video in all groups! (12:51 PM) luv-to-trade: actually, every time I see lub instead of luv, it sounds so funny, it makes me laugh (12:51 PM) luv-to-trade: Sometimes I feel like a big lub, when I trade stupidly (12:51 PM) lovensey: DOW J where will go ? (12:52 PM) Buffy_04364: well, wanted to let you know I get upset with myself when I do it (12:52 PM) jimbo_320: out the rest for +5.5 (12:52 PM) strad -: lub lol Paltalk: Get 4 DVDs for 49¢ each plush s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ¢ EACH! (12:52 PM) luv-to-trade: so far low this morning was 8976 on dow lovensey (12:52 PM) rambler_12: the ta mirc chat is or used to be more for newbies (12:53 PM) Taddy1: thankyou (12:53 PM) lovensey: u mean still down dow j (12:53 PM) Buffy_04364: dow has low of 9106.54 in march right? (12:54 PM) lovensey: ya (12:54 PM) luv-to-trade: I think so, I know we have gone under (12:54 PM) luv-to-trade: in all indexes now (12:55 PM) Buffy_04364: looks like it was another bear flag (12:55 PM) Buffy_04364: for the nq (12:55 PM) Buffy_04364: 1279.64 my 4m pyra (12:55 PM) Buffy_04364: what is yours orprepus (12:59 PM) ppusa: bot 1278 sold 1279 (01:00 PM) Buffy_04364: nice ppusa (01:00 PM) ppusa: very uneasy but i did it (01:02 PM) ppusa: since the retest of the 1311 HOD, nq has been in a tight down channel (01:02 PM) ppusa: someone could draw some nice tl's off this Paltalk: Get your FREE credit report @ ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! (01:03 PM) Buffy_04364: yes there are nice ones there ppusa (01:04 PM) ppusa: hanging around the opening nq (01:07 PM) ppusa: lot of companies donating huge dollars to relief effort (01:09 PM) Buffy_04364: yes they are ppusa (01:09 PM) Buffy_04364: even ones who don't really have the money (01:11 PM) rambler_12: worldwide candles pictures http://manson.exodus.net/thankyou/index2.html Paltalk: Britney,Dido,Outkast,+ MORE! 12 CDs Free + s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! (01:13 PM) luv-to-trade: the dow 1 min. chart just made a perfect h$s (01:13 PM) luv-to-trade: h&s (01:14 PM) Orprepus: back - see yall have been having fun (01:14 PM) jody_15: Would someone please tell me... what is the LTD (Last Trading Day) for September E-mini S&P and E-mini NQ Futures Contracts???... (01:15 PM) luv-to-trade: I think it was the 15th? (01:15 PM) luv-to-trade: 14th? (01:15 PM) klonerdoug: pushed until today (01:15 PM) luv-to-trade: so today is it doug? (01:16 PM) dave_b_quik: rollover would normally have been 9/13, but that's different from last trading day (01:16 PM) klonerdoug: i believe so ... call the desk (01:16 PM) klonerdoug: ok i will (01:16 PM) luv-to-trade: yeah, what is rollover day is what I mean (01:16 PM) Gorillatrader: rollover before delivery begins (01:17 PM) Buffy_04364: today sept tomorrow dec is what we have heard (01:17 PM) jody_15: THANKS ALL!! (01:17 PM) klonerdoug: they trade tm (01:19 PM) klonerdoug: anyone thining long here? (01:19 PM) klonerdoug: thinking (01:19 PM) ppusa: yes but no (01:20 PM) ppusa: i think low will go (01:20 PM) ppusa: i scalped for a tick (01:20 PM) Daniel X: thats right Paltalk: Multivideo has been activated in all Paltalk groups!!! With Paltalk 4.0 (available from our beta link on our homepage), you can see up to three people in every group. Paltalk Plus subscribers can see people in full motion video. (01:21 PM) ppusa: nq is walking down it's moving averages. The only time to buy is when it has broken away from them or when there is a buy signal, none of which gave occured. (01:21 PM) ppusa: gave=have (01:21 PM) gravestonedoggie: ndx has fallen from 5000 to 1275... amazing... there is not that much left (01:22 PM) ppusa: 900? (01:22 PM) Orprepus: yes (01:22 PM) Orprepus: what about the negatives (01:22 PM) ppusa: hopefully not without a bounce Paltalk: Get 4 DVDs for 49¢ each plus s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ¢ EACH! (01:23 PM) Gorillatrader: reading tea leaves is interesting (01:23 PM) ppusa: poke bar (01:24 PM) ppusa: a long term chart of the nas looks like 900 is where it was prior to the internet boom (01:26 PM) dave_b_quik: i just looked up LTD for Sept -mini's is 9/21 (3rd Friday), rollover 8 days prior (01:27 PM) luv-to-trade: stochs are turning down (01:27 PM) Gorillatrader: 8 trading days (01:27 PM) dave_b_quik: y (01:28 PM) luv-to-trade: is there any volume on the december yet? (01:28 PM) dave_b_quik: not much (01:28 PM) Gorillatrader: no (01:29 PM) gravestonedoggie: dow is retesting 9000 (01:30 PM) gravestonedoggie: breaking it now (01:31 PM) ummagumma_1: ldm on tse owns greyhound moving up slow (01:32 PM) dave_b_quik: i thot i was done going greyhould.... Paltalk: Credit report online. Always private, always secure, get yours FREE from ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! (01:33 PM) ummagumma_1: I figure more people will be taking the bus now heh! (01:33 PM) Tom_B: Hope Amtrak gets out & does some maintenance on those rails (01:33 PM) dave_b_quik: amtrak is OK here in NY (01:34 PM) Tom_B: Out west a little shaky (01:34 PM) dave_b_quik: my wife just used it last month (01:34 PM) Tom_B: Darn things fall off the tracks.. (01:35 PM) dave_b_quik: no seatbelts either (01:35 PM) Tom_B: If they got there act together it wud be good for the country (01:36 PM) Buffy_04364: this isn't looking good here - hope low of day holds (01:36 PM) Gorillatrader: hope not, Buffy (01:36 PM) Buffy_04364: really GT why? (01:36 PM) Tom_B: .790 ret in nq (01:36 PM) Gorillatrader: I'm Short (01:36 PM) Buffy_04364: o ok (01:36 PM) Buffy_04364: your have been short a while though I bet (01:37 PM) Gorillatrader: I don't read tea leaves, just trade the price bars (01:37 PM) Gorillatrader: nope, ES 1046 1st Index trade (01:37 PM) Buffy_04364: that is the safest (01:37 PM) Gorillatrader: traded Nov Beans this morning (01:38 PM) Buffy_04364: so you are back in the groove - great (01:38 PM) Gorillatrader: cautiously until the Patriots show up (01:38 PM) Gorillatrader: expect them back last 30min with their muskets (01:39 PM) dave_b_quik: 1 if by land, 2 if by sea... (01:39 PM) Buffy_04364: :-) (01:39 PM) Gorillatrader: will keep ear to the ground for horses galloping (01:40 PM) Gorillatrader: smell of gun powder in air, ggod clue they are coming back (01:40 PM) dave_b_quik: $40B new government spending gotta reflect somewhere (01:40 PM) Gorillatrader: good (01:40 PM) rambler_12: gt must be a red coat : ) (01:40 PM) Gorillatrader: lol (01:40 PM) dave_b_quik: wars are usually bullish after the massive spending starts to reflect in the market, aren't they? (01:40 PM) Gorillatrader: lowly price bar trader (01:41 PM) Gorillatrader: no idea, dave (01:41 PM) tomsurf: dave- yes, from what I've read (01:41 PM) Gorillatrader: Buy Green Bars, Sell series of red bars...that's the extent of my knowledge (01:41 PM) Gorillatrader: very limited education here (01:42 PM) dave_b_quik: that's the main thing, GT (01:42 PM) dave_b_quik: the fundamentals are mainly of academic interest here (01:42 PM) tomsurf: GT ;-) (01:42 PM) Gorillatrader: MBA's and PhD in Finance are worthless in day to day trading (01:42 PM) Cytrader: CORRECT! Paltalk: Get 12 FREE CDs! Click for Details, CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! (01:42 PM) Cytrader: Too ivory tower. (01:43 PM) Cytrader: Too concerned about theories. (01:43 PM) dave_b_quik: yup (01:43 PM) rambler_12: paralysis by analysis (01:43 PM) ppusa: maybe.........this will turn out to be an exhaustion gap after awhile (01:43 PM) luv-to-trade: I think nq low will be tested (01:43 PM) luv-to-trade: 1261 (01:43 PM) Cytrader: Exactly. (01:43 PM) Gorillatrader: burn those parchment thingys...i did (01:44 PM) Gorillatrader: 5th Grade education sufficient (01:44 PM) rambler_12: tea party coming (01:44 PM) Gorillatrader: Colin Powell on TV (01:45 PM) ppusa: maybe market could get an osama rally (01:45 PM) jimbo_320: dow -650 (01:45 PM) Gorillatrader: monitor upside down (01:46 PM) Gorillatrader: ready for that rally (01:46 PM) ppusa: not today Paltalk: Click banners to visit our sponsors. (01:52 PM) jimbo_320: question is - who is holding up 1271 (01:52 PM) Gorillatrader: hear horses galloping in the distance, faintly (01:52 PM) Gorillatrader: does it matter, jimbo? Paltalk: Get 4 DVDs for 49¢ each plush s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ¢ EACH! (01:54 PM) Daniel X: GT so did we send a $10 million missile to destroy a $10 tent or what? (01:54 PM) Gorillatrader: lol (01:55 PM) jimbo_320: wow, that is not a good trade (01:55 PM) Daniel X: wonder if we hit it (01:55 PM) Daniel X: afterall it was Canada who sent you that defective space telescope a few yeras back!! (01:57 PM) jimbo_320: has an attack been launched? (01:57 PM) Daniel X: thats what i wanna know (01:58 PM) luv-to-trade: no, not yet from what I can gather (01:59 PM) ppusa: Powell was just being interviewed. Doubt any attack going on while he was press conferencing (01:59 PM) Orprepus: fyi - historically - no attacks while the conutry is in mourning - when flags begin to fly high again watch (01:59 PM) Gorillatrader: the price bars will let you know rather quickly (02:00 PM) luv-to-trade: but I am sure they are not telling us everything (02:00 PM) Gorillatrader: Orp, you are correct...1 more week (02:00 PM) Orprepus: yes (02:00 PM) Gorillatrader: luv, why should they tell us ? (02:00 PM) Tom_B: Taliban to convene court to decide fate of BinLaden tomorrow (02:00 PM) luv-to-trade: I agree, gorrilla (02:00 PM) Orprepus: also enough time to gather more intelligence and get everything setup for the ass kicking (02:00 PM) Gorillatrader: I surely hope they DO NOT tell us ahead of time (02:00 PM) Orprepus: whoops about a777 (02:01 PM) Orprepus: wouldn't surprise me if the broke tradition and just did it (02:01 PM) Gorillatrader: Bonds closing early, now at 2pm ET (02:02 PM) Orprepus: they watch cnn and all the news channels also - sure disinformation going on from gov to media Paltalk: Get your FREE credit report @ ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! (02:03 PM) ummagumma_1: laidlaw ldm on tse owns greyhound inc and on the move up from 11cents to 16 today (02:03 PM) Gorillatrader: returning to the Old West...GWB poster says "WANTED: Bin Laden Dead or Alive" D (02:05 PM) Gorillatrader: we are now trading at Oct 1998 levels (02:05 PM) dave_b_quik: must be some value down there somewhere (02:07 PM) Gorillatrader: dave, how is retro doing today? or anybody following him? (02:07 PM) ppusa: maybe if GT would take his shorts off, something would rise (02:08 PM) dave_b_quik: retro is going great (02:08 PM) Orprepus: now now boys (02:08 PM) Gorillatrader: hehe, I did at 1041 ES, pp (02:08 PM) Gorillatrader: I thought Retro had excellent short (02:08 PM) ppusa: thanks (02:08 PM) Gorillatrader: lol (02:08 PM) Orprepus: lol (02:09 PM) ppusa: although it looks like this last little run is just the high for the hour (02:09 PM) Gorillatrader: this little runup is a tradeable Long (02:09 PM) ppusa: which it is of course meaqning more down (02:10 PM) ppusa: yes i was slow pulling the trigger (02:10 PM) ppusa: not enough rise to chase it and get burned (02:10 PM) Orprepus: approaching eos also where cot change in trend can occur (02:11 PM) ppusa: i show a low of 61 but a low trade print of 65.5 (02:11 PM) Gorillatrader: ppusa, I did not go Long either (02:12 PM) Gorillatrader: too early for this buying, the Patriots should arrive last 30min to have a ggod close (02:12 PM) ppusa: 9.5 pt bounce...someone else can have it Paltalk: Britney,Dido,Outkast,+ MORE! 12 CDs Free + s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! (02:13 PM) Gorillatrader: good (02:14 PM) ppusa: love to see a good close but longer term probably better to bury the market (02:14 PM) Gorillatrader: agree (02:15 PM) ppusa: i bot QQQ's late monday and tried to sell them tuesday premarket (02:16 PM) ppusa: took until today for Ameritrade to confirm I managed to squeak out. I believe their market maker missed the trade (02:16 PM) Tom_B: IEnsign Ques, I just opened it , any way to refresh $ticki ? Bars blank for today (02:17 PM) Orprepus: reload time frame (02:17 PM) dave_b_quik: SETUP/MANAGER set history and intra-day servers to amount of data you want to load (02:18 PM) Tom_B: tnx (02:19 PM) Orprepus: is it working? (02:19 PM) Gorillatrader: little breakout on ES (02:19 PM) ppusa: any news? (02:19 PM) Gorillatrader: Jordan says: This is World War III, Fox News (02:19 PM) ppusa: or just a little tech rally (02:20 PM) Gorillatrader: China seals its borders with Pakistan (02:20 PM) Cytrader: Hardly World War III (02:20 PM) Orprepus: Michael Jordan to delay announcement of coming back to NBA (02:20 PM) Gorillatrader: I know, (02:20 PM) Orprepus: train (02:21 PM) Cytrader: China, last I heard, was behind us. Paltalk: Love PalTalk but hate the banners and popups? Go bannerless! Only $9.95 per year! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. (02:21 PM) Gorillatrader: of course, China behind us...they have lots to loose otherwise (02:22 PM) jimbo_320: buyers exhausted (02:22 PM) Cytrader: Like a good chunk of their GDP. (02:22 PM) ppusa: technical bounce Paltalk: Get 4 DVDs for 49¢ each plus s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ¢ EACH! (02:24 PM) jimbo_320: Manhatten accounts for 2.5% of US GDP (02:25 PM) ppusa: be higher now with rebuild (02:25 PM) ppusa: ? (02:26 PM) dave_b_quik: everybody will probably want to work from home now, don't need a skyscraper (02:26 PM) Gorillatrader: and become daytrader (02:26 PM) ppusa: i like the skyscrapper that buffy posted (02:27 PM) Cytrader: We may see decentralization of corporate structures, for security's sake. (02:28 PM) dave_b_quik: we have the technology to do it now, just look at how spread out we are in this room (02:29 PM) Orprepus: right (02:29 PM) ppusa: i'm moving in with dan (02:29 PM) Tom_B: I bet hirise office space goes dwn (02:29 PM) Tom_B: esp @ Sears Tower here in Chgo (02:29 PM) dave_b_quik: yup, i was thinking same thing (02:29 PM) Orprepus: pp - you should for all the money he has taken out of your account while you were napping (02:29 PM) ppusa: we don't have room for you Dave (02:30 PM) ppusa: ha orp (02:30 PM) dave_b_quik: i already live in a suberb of Canada (02:31 PM) dave_b_quik: suburb (02:31 PM) ppusa: really, didn't know (02:31 PM) ppusa: where (02:31 PM) dave_b_quik: Buffalo, NY (02:31 PM) boss250: hi all (02:31 PM) ppusa: ha (02:31 PM) dave_b_quik: 90 minutes from Toronto (02:31 PM) ppusa: i like TO (02:31 PM) Orprepus: going for the lod (02:31 PM) dave_b_quik: hey, boss (02:32 PM) ppusa: had relatives there (02:32 PM) Buffy_04364: bk - my son stopped in (02:32 PM) Buffy_04364: nice visit (02:32 PM) gravestonedoggie: hehe (02:32 PM) Orprepus: hey buffy - how is he doing (02:32 PM) boss250: hi dave , how are you (02:32 PM) Buffy_04364: glad the pictures were posted he doesn' thave the net and enjoyed them (02:33 PM) Buffy_04364: got a great big hug! only talked to him on the phone since it all happened Paltalk: Credit report online. Always private, always secure, get yours FREE from ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! (02:33 PM) tomsurf: Buffy- that's great (02:34 PM) Buffy_04364: The A/C/E Dow will be open September 17th, until 4:00pm CST. (02:34 PM) Buffy_04364: All other A/C/E financials closed at 1:00pm CST (02:34 PM) Buffy_04364: just got that from best (02:34 PM) Buffy_04364: I thought so too Tom (02:35 PM) ppusa: what is with the bond market closing early? (02:35 PM) jimbo_320: choppy out there (02:36 PM) ppusa: My bond chart analysis says bonds go higher which is scarry because maybe means market goes lower (02:36 PM) Orprepus: don't know pp (02:36 PM) Orprepus: flight to low risk (02:36 PM) Orprepus: also oil - gold (02:36 PM) jimbo_320: es is 7 points above open (02:37 PM) Buffy_04364: time line in pyra (02:37 PM) Buffy_04364: cot? (02:38 PM) Buffy_04364: who knows (02:39 PM) Daniel X: http;//www.visibleearth.nasa.gov/data/ev87/ev8751_Afghanistan.A2001185.0650.1km.jpg.......looks like their running across the border!!! (02:42 PM) GGriz: anyone know if sp triggered the first breaker on LOD? Paltalk: Get 12 FREE CDs! Click for Details, CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! (02:45 PM) Gorillatrader: no Patriotic buying, old fashion selling (02:45 PM) GGriz: 60$ is first breaker on sp (02:46 PM) Gorillatrader: already done that today (02:46 PM) Gorillatrader: and its after 2:30pm (02:46 PM) Buffy_04364: heard lots of banks lowered rates with us while getting a sandwich (02:46 PM) Buffy_04364: got a whole list of market hours from best (02:46 PM) ppusa: still time (02:46 PM) GGriz: not after 1430 central (02:47 PM) ppusa: though i doubt it will happen (02:47 PM) Buffy_04364: to be in effect until end of 19th (02:47 PM) Orprepus: dow break 8900 (02:47 PM) Orprepus: down 720 (02:47 PM) Daniel X: What happening with the Dow e minis? (02:47 PM) Cytrader: Egads. (02:48 PM) Daniel X: r they available? (02:48 PM) Orprepus: down eminis activate end of sept (02:48 PM) Daniel X: thnx (02:48 PM) Daniel X: too late (02:48 PM) Daniel X: lol (02:48 PM) Cytrader: They're not available yet. (02:48 PM) Orprepus: not a lot of vol (02:49 PM) jimbo_320: trin finally got over +1 Paltalk: Please support our sponsors by clicking on banners. Paltalk: Get 4 DVDs for 49¢ each plush s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ¢ EACH! (02:53 PM) jimbo_320: no train today :-( (02:54 PM) Buffy_04364: dosn't look it jimbo (02:54 PM) Gorillatrader: southBound Train is profitabel (02:55 PM) Gorillatrader: near 3pm, let's see if the patriots are buying for a good end of day showing, Dow -700 (02:56 PM) Buffy_04364: might be working on a slowdown here maybe - in a triangle on lower TF (02:56 PM) jimbo_320: the only sector in the green today, up a healthy 32.7% is the VIX (02:56 PM) jimbo_320: LOL (02:56 PM) Daniel X: new WTC design http://www.domni.com/NewWTC1.jpg (02:56 PM) Buffy_04364: and breaking wrong way (02:56 PM) Buffy_04364: so now the low test? (02:56 PM) Buffy_04364: is it the same as I posted daniel? (02:57 PM) Daniel X: dunno (02:57 PM) Gorillatrader: Buffy, are you becoming a one-way, Long only trader? (02:57 PM) jimbo_320: u mean the low break? (02:57 PM) Daniel X: didn't see yours (02:57 PM) Buffy_04364: or another one (02:57 PM) Buffy_04364: nope GT (02:57 PM) ppusa: inside bars 5 minute (02:57 PM) Buffy_04364: MA say only shorts allowed LOL (02:57 PM) Gorillatrader: ok, nervous with your comments (02:58 PM) Gorillatrader: yes, and your comments not compatible (02:58 PM) jimbo_320: NYSE VOL 1.9BIL, NAS 1.7BIL (02:58 PM) ppusa: PnF due for 15 point bounce from close to current nq level (02:59 PM) Buffy_04364: true GT the heart and the mind don't agree (02:59 PM) jimbo_320: es making a big flag under 40 (02:59 PM) Gorillatrader: trading is a business to generate daily income. What ae feel or think does not belong (03:01 PM) Cytrader: Good point GT. (03:01 PM) Buffy_04364: and reason why not trading cause I know I am mxing them now (03:01 PM) Orprepus: way too emotional to trade today - would of been trying to buy when I knew to sell (03:01 PM) Buffy_04364: will really work on that tonight mentally (03:01 PM) Buffy_04364: pep talk thing (03:01 PM) Gorillatrader: trade with your own rules, same as Retro trades... (03:01 PM) Buffy_04364: have to go to portland tonight and will talk to myself LOL (03:01 PM) Orprepus: so side lined until i can get emotion out of it (03:02 PM) Buffy_04364: yes the rules are rules GT not to be changed now (03:03 PM) ppusa: yea do you really think floor traders aren't shorting today? (03:03 PM) Gorillatrader: I bet that when Dave posts tonight the Retro results, all of us will be surprised, and "we" keep saying and fighting Retro approach (03:03 PM) Buffy_04364: tks GT Paltalk: Get your FREE credit report @ ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! (03:03 PM) Gorillatrader: ppusa, how do floor traders generate income? (03:03 PM) Buffy_04364: retro isn't me GT (03:03 PM) ppusa: trading (03:05 PM) jimbo_320: 1200 ticks, and we can proclaim the next bull market :-) (03:05 PM) Buffy_04364: I tried (03:05 PM) Orprepus: retro should do well today if you falled the rules - actually a lot of trend following methods should do well today - just follow the rules - that is the hard part (03:05 PM) Gorillatrader: Buffy, what I am saying, is: Trade own rules, with the cold, calculated discipline Retro does" (03:05 PM) Orprepus: falled = followed (03:05 PM) wayne_53: I think you would have been stopped out a lot today with close stops even though it looks very trendy (03:05 PM) Gorillatrader: agree, Orp...my point exactly...discipline to follow "one's own rules", if we have taken the time to write them down in a formal trading plan (03:06 PM) gravestonedoggie: looks like united technologies really sank the dow (03:06 PM) jimbo_320: where are the bulls ? (03:06 PM) ppusa: long (03:06 PM) ppusa: guts no brain (03:06 PM) gravestonedoggie: sp500 is 20 pts above am low on futures... not so bad... dow got killed by utx mid-day (03:07 PM) Gorillatrader: ppusa, that works...no brains, just execute (03:07 PM) Daniel X: JIMBO the bulls are Bull Sh*tting (03:07 PM) gravestonedoggie: breadth been in same place all day, though (03:07 PM) jimbo_320: whats the news on utx? (03:07 PM) jimbo_320: y, the bulls have bailed (03:08 PM) ppusa: airliine slowdown (03:08 PM) jimbo_320: what do utx do? they airline? (03:09 PM) gravestonedoggie: united technologies (03:09 PM) gravestonedoggie: i think they delivered weak earnings midday (03:09 PM) ppusa: out of one (03:09 PM) gravestonedoggie: utx was halted midday, then reopend down 17 (03:09 PM) gravestonedoggie: announced weak 4th q (03:10 PM) Orprepus: anyone that has earnings warning today is going to get hammered (03:10 PM) jimbo_320: no a good day to announce weak earnings (03:10 PM) jimbo_320: not a (03:10 PM) Gorillatrader: last hour is here, watch for signs of the Fed and Patriot buying spree (03:10 PM) Gorillatrader: corporate buying own stock back (03:11 PM) Gorillatrader: Calvary coming to save the day (03:11 PM) gravestonedoggie: es is basically in higher end of the day's range (03:11 PM) jimbo_320: big trin deltas today (03:12 PM) Buffy_04364: that test of low turned into 2b LOL (03:12 PM) Buffy_04364: pyra working well today (03:12 PM) gravestonedoggie: or slightly above mid of range, really (03:12 PM) jimbo_320: buybacks on csco only off 2% today Paltalk: Britney,Dido,Outkast,+ MORE! 12 CDs Free + s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! (03:14 PM) Buffy_04364: I have a list of 20 companies doing buybacks (03:14 PM) Buffy_04364: and htose are only the ones I happened to cme accrose (03:14 PM) dave_b_quik: bbl (03:14 PM) Buffy_04364: I posted a pyra (03:15 PM) jimbo_320: today the day to buy the open after the limit down and you'd be quids in (03:15 PM) gravestonedoggie: psychology so key (03:15 PM) gravestonedoggie: nothing to fear but fear itself (03:16 PM) jimbo_320: maximum fear was before the market opened (03:17 PM) Buffy_04364: true jimbo (03:17 PM) Buffy_04364: I should be ok tomorrow (03:18 PM) Buffy_04364: look at all those bear flags I saw LOL (03:18 PM) ppusa: 1255.5 + 15 = 1272 area...High for this hour 1271.50 with four down hours. (03:19 PM) gravestonedoggie: i'm talking more about consumer behavior than futures trading (03:19 PM) ppusa: Tomorrow's high 1270 to 1290 area (03:19 PM) ppusa: initial (03:20 PM) gravestonedoggie: if you are trading futures, plenty to fear in a news/rumor driven environmnet (03:20 PM) Buffy_04364: true gsd (03:21 PM) Buffy_04364: have to use stops even more so now Paltalk: Press the INVITE button NOW! Get your friends in on the fun! Invite them to join us on PalTalk today! (03:21 PM) Tom_B: if u cud just turn off all fundamental input & just "trade" you'd be ok.. (03:21 PM) luv-to-trade: I looked at that visible earth afghanistan site. What does it mean? (03:22 PM) Gorillatrader: Tom, agree... "Trade what you See in the charts..not what you think or hear" (03:22 PM) Tom_B: it's a big sand box (03:22 PM) gravestonedoggie: true.. though some things are a bit different today - like jumpiness in price action... effects executuion (03:22 PM) Tom_B: use limits (03:22 PM) luv-to-trade: market orders are getting a lot of slippage today (03:23 PM) gravestonedoggie: and if get news spikes.... limits stops and all the rest are not necessarily going to protect Paltalk: Get 4 DVDs for 49¢ each plus s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ¢ EACH! (03:23 PM) gravestonedoggie: nor will following charts (03:23 PM) Tom_B: I traded a little today, it took my stomach lining out this morning but I just followed the chart...most ,if not all the news is in there...there can be a suprise on any day, imho (03:25 PM) Buffy_04364: howard posted a 5M pyra (03:25 PM) gravestonedoggie: risk of news psikes a bit heightened now... (03:26 PM) gravestonedoggie: though agree to... have to deal with it... (03:26 PM) gravestonedoggie: agree tom (03:26 PM) Tom_B: sure and opportunity is commensurate with the 'perception' of risk... (03:26 PM) Tom_B: agree (03:26 PM) gravestonedoggie: also agree on stomach lining.. hehe (03:26 PM) luv-to-trade: volume certainly has increased a lot as the day's gone on (03:27 PM) Tom_B: This was worse for me than '87 (03:27 PM) gravestonedoggie: i will be much happier if the jumpiness dies a bit (03:27 PM) luv-to-trade: have many of you traded today? (03:27 PM) gravestonedoggie: maybe in a few days (03:27 PM) Gorillatrader: overnight position, Tom_B? (03:28 PM) Tom_B: NNNNNNOOOOOOO (03:28 PM) Tom_B: Daytrading (03:28 PM) luv-to-trade: dow and sox heading back down (03:28 PM) Gorillatrader: then, should not be like 1987. In 1987 there was NO reporting back at all (03:28 PM) Tom_B: '87 was rediculous (03:29 PM) luv-to-trade: no reporting back how? (03:29 PM) luv-to-trade: you mean news or on your trades? (03:29 PM) gravestonedoggie: true... mini's were smooth today in that respect (03:29 PM) Tom_B: How to get robbed by FloorTraders Anonymous (03:29 PM) Orprepus: in 87 no safe guards like today (03:29 PM) Gorillatrader: yes, luv (03:29 PM) gravestonedoggie: i hear sp volume shifted heavily out of pit today (03:29 PM) Tom_B: as it should (03:29 PM) tomsurf: T said that in 87 brokers would not even answer the phones. (03:30 PM) Orprepus: thats right (03:30 PM) Gorillatrader: nothing. Specialists, Market Maker stood aside...would not answer phones (03:30 PM) gravestonedoggie: bad (03:30 PM) Orprepus: it was very bad (03:30 PM) Buffy_04364: I have read that also (03:30 PM) Buffy_04364: it must of been horrible (03:30 PM) Gorillatrader: Retail brokers answered phones, the floor and market makers did not (03:30 PM) luv-to-trade: If I were a broker today, I would be afraid to answer the phone. lol (03:30 PM) Tom_B: People really did jump out windows here in Chgo (03:30 PM) Orprepus: many people that traded than are not trading today and there were several that did not live much past the day (03:31 PM) gravestonedoggie: though today, if you phone a ny office, often get dead line (03:31 PM) luv-to-trade: let's not go there please (03:31 PM) gravestonedoggie: at least downtown ny phone that is (03:32 PM) gravestonedoggie: video conference stocks up big today (03:32 PM) Tom_B: Pleple were financially devasted, homes, cars future were gone (03:32 PM) gravestonedoggie: and security (03:32 PM) luv-to-trade: anyone know limit down for nq? I would have thought we hit it already once (03:32 PM) gravestonedoggie: we did at opening, no? (03:33 PM) gravestonedoggie: 90 down, i think (03:33 PM) luv-to-trade: I am not sure; it has changed so much this year (03:33 PM) Tom_B: no limit aft 2:30 right / (03:33 PM) Tom_B: ? (03:33 PM) Tom_B: cst Paltalk: Credit report online. Always private, always secure, get yours FREE from ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! (03:33 PM) luv-to-trade: oh yeah (03:34 PM) Tom_B: Wht do u think the odds r they'll goose the Dow bk ovr 9K today ? (03:34 PM) gravestonedoggie: is a good point.. all things considered.. went well today relatively... and obviosuly, we have plenty to be thankful for (03:35 PM) gravestonedoggie: beyond that (03:35 PM) luv-to-trade: anyone in here from NYC? (03:35 PM) Tom_B: I'm orig from there grew up there (03:36 PM) Tom_B: not there now (03:36 PM) Tom_B: hve been speaking to a lot of my friends who live in Manhatten , also in the brokerage community (03:37 PM) luv-to-trade: :( (03:37 PM) Tom_B: :( (03:37 PM) wayne_53: CNBC says short sellers are now coming into the market (03:37 PM) gravestonedoggie: what they saying, tom? (03:37 PM) Tom_B: Time to get long (03:37 PM) ppusa: now CNBC is saying that the gentlemen's agreement not to short was somewhat doubtful. Is that a surprise to anyone? (03:37 PM) Gorillatrader: funny (03:37 PM) Tom_B: I want to short CNBC (03:38 PM) tomsurf: CNBC is so full of it. (03:38 PM) gravestonedoggie: yeah (03:38 PM) gravestonedoggie: if they restrict short selling, they will really pave the way for collapse (03:38 PM) tomsurf: like a real trader is gonna be telling them anything (03:38 PM) gravestonedoggie: shortsellers are support under market (03:38 PM) ppusa: IMO, it's criminal for them to try to convince the public that no one will short and everyone's patriotic duty is to buy!!! (03:39 PM) Gorillatrader: hehe (03:39 PM) Tom_B: same bs, diff day (03:39 PM) gravestonedoggie: ya (03:39 PM) Gorillatrader: those are "OUR" Regulators that are "Protecting US" (03:39 PM) gravestonedoggie: govt restriction and intervention will kill it (03:39 PM) ppusa: BSBSBS (03:39 PM) Tom_B: no more analysts to say buy, buy..so they say it so "others" can unload... (03:39 PM) gravestonedoggie: here they go.. insana saying it now (03:39 PM) Gorillatrader: Dick Grasso invented that lie with the SEC Chairman (03:40 PM) tomsurf: humm....CNBC or the cartoon channel, hard to see a diff. (03:40 PM) Tom_B: wht is he saying / (03:40 PM) gravestonedoggie: we will be like a 3rd world market (03:40 PM) ppusa: Like I said when they start giving money away only then will the rules have changed (03:40 PM) ppusa: What money do you think built Manhattan? (03:40 PM) gravestonedoggie: govt trying to dictate that price can only go up (03:40 PM) ppusa: kind of like casino's (03:40 PM) beanman_1: I don't mean to sound unpatriotic, but remember these are the same empty suits that have been calling bottoms all year.... (03:40 PM) Gorillatrader: CNBC reports whatever the NYSE and SEC feeds them (03:41 PM) ppusa: down tomorrow, up Wed (03:41 PM) Orprepus: the patriotic thing to do was to participate in the market today (03:41 PM) gravestonedoggie: this one looks like she thought she was showing up for a fashion shoot (03:42 PM) ppusa: Looks good to me (03:42 PM) Tom_B: Fed still has the printing press...they're getting a turbo charger put on it (03:42 PM) ppusa: put that hanky on her head and send her downtown (03:42 PM) Buffy_04364: going to need it (03:42 PM) gravestonedoggie: more bs (03:43 PM) ppusa: hang on there (03:43 PM) ppusa: in (03:43 PM) gravestonedoggie: liz ann sonders one of those perpetual tech bulls Paltalk: Get 12 FREE CDs! Click for Details, CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! (03:44 PM) Tom_B: she'll be right "eventually" (03:44 PM) ppusa: Abbey Joseph Blowin' (03:44 PM) gravestonedoggie: thaey should put a wealth caution advisory on the screen when they talk to these people (03:44 PM) Gorillatrader: by 2010, the market will be higher than it is today (03:44 PM) Tom_B: lol (03:44 PM) gravestonedoggie: hehe (03:44 PM) ppusa: 10 percent every year (03:45 PM) Gorillatrader: I'm calling for tthe Dow Industrials to be at 40,000 by 2040 (03:45 PM) Tom_B: let's get u a spot on CNBC (03:45 PM) ppusa: wnat about the Nas? (03:45 PM) Orprepus: todays dollar or 2040 dollars (03:45 PM) ppusa: wh (03:45 PM) gravestonedoggie: hehe (03:45 PM) Tom_B: so u mean it will be lower in real $ terms ? (03:45 PM) Gorillatrader: NAS at 30,000 with acomeback of the technology stocks of the future (03:46 PM) Gorillatrader: No, we will have disinflation (03:46 PM) ab_18: same 30 companies? for Indus (03:46 PM) ppusa: wonder what new technology awaits us (03:46 PM) Gorillatrader: lol (03:46 PM) Orprepus: naz files for chapter 11 by 2040 (03:46 PM) Orprepus: to many dot gones (03:46 PM) Tom_B: inflation has been good for stk prices (03:47 PM) gravestonedoggie: dow down 700 was probably most in a single day. i guess (03:47 PM) jimbo_320: you 0% interest rates like Japan next (03:47 PM) jimbo_320: you have (03:47 PM) ppusa: i want to be invisible (03:47 PM) Orprepus: defaltion (03:47 PM) ppusa: % wise dow down 500 bigger drop in 87 (03:47 PM) gravestonedoggie: yeah (03:47 PM) Tom_B: y & remember the next day in '87 (03:48 PM) gravestonedoggie: dow been rallying since 3 pm (03:48 PM) jimbo_320: what heppened next day tom? (03:48 PM) ppusa: no what happened big up? (03:48 PM) Tom_B: Big up (03:48 PM) jimbo_320: how big, bigger than down or bounce (03:48 PM) ppusa: Wednesday (03:48 PM) Gorillatrader: watch for the Super Patriots on horseback and Muskets loaded (03:48 PM) gravestonedoggie: sp futures trading right now around where they did when 2nd plane hit last tuesday (03:48 PM) Tom_B: bounce (03:48 PM) GGriz: nq 5m 2b ??????? (03:48 PM) Buffy_04364: yes (03:48 PM) ppusa: different market. Bear market (03:49 PM) GGriz: slow learner (03:49 PM) Gorillatrader: hear the trumpets.."CHARGE" (03:49 PM) ppusa: bull pullback vs bear market? (03:49 PM) Orprepus: look at dow trans 15 % down today - dow only half 7% (03:49 PM) Buffy_04364: rsi divergence on pyra also (03:49 PM) Tom_B: true (03:49 PM) jimbo_320: you taking the piss GT? (03:49 PM) ab_18: es 104250 resistance may give way to 1046 area (03:49 PM) Gorillatrader: 13min left (03:50 PM) Buffy_04364: closes at 4 today? (03:50 PM) gravestonedoggie: down 650 on day when fed cuts... (03:51 PM) ppusa: close above open and i will eat my words Paltalk: You DO have a choice! Buy bannerless to end your popup blues today! Click OPTIONS on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. Only $9.95 a year! That's less than THREE CENTS per day! WOW!!! (03:51 PM) luv-to-trade: everything close at 4 or just dow? (03:51 PM) jimbo_320: FOMC should of waited to cut rates, could of spurned rally after limit down, market like to think it controls fed and would of rallied (03:51 PM) gravestonedoggie: yes, might have helped (03:52 PM) Orprepus: market does not liked to be surprised (03:52 PM) gravestonedoggie: though rate cut was already price into rate instuments (03:52 PM) gravestonedoggie: but shorts might have paniced a bit (03:52 PM) Buffy_04364: yes it was and market would of been disappointed if hadn't of happened (03:52 PM) jimbo_320: excpet when a nice surpise like a 1/2 point cut, they werent expecting til oct 2nd (03:52 PM) Orprepus: 75 bases points would of done good (03:52 PM) ppusa: shorts would have come in higher (03:52 PM) jimbo_320: it would of happened but could of been timed better (03:52 PM) Tom_B: they sent a very strong signal..& did it so traders didn't loadup short & then cut it was a mercy move... (03:53 PM) gravestonedoggie: what we had today was specialists absorbed supply on the open, then dumped it on public after they walked prices higher (03:53 PM) Tom_B: y (03:53 PM) Orprepus: yes (03:53 PM) Tom_B: Was CN (03:53 PM) jimbo_320: 40 on prem (03:53 PM) tomsurf: gsd- kinda like every other day, lol Paltalk: Get 4 DVDs for 49¢ each plush s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ¢ EACH! (03:53 PM) ppusa: I thought if the fed lowered a full point... Give Greenspan a chance to "catch up" without losing face. As he has been accused of being behinf the curve. (03:54 PM) gravestonedoggie: true to (03:54 PM) gravestonedoggie: true tom (03:54 PM) Tom_B: Was CNBC trumpeting the Buy bugle ? (03:54 PM) luv-to-trade: are all markets closing at 4? (03:54 PM) jimbo_320: there goes another 5% off my pension (03:54 PM) gravestonedoggie: maybe AG wants to ahve one more bullet left in his gun (03:54 PM) rich012: For info on LIz Ann Sonders see this: http://www.validea.com/sources/quickstats.asp?sourceid=8358&sourcetypeid=3 (03:55 PM) rich012: Good info on her stock picks performance (03:55 PM) ppusa: any pictures? (03:55 PM) Orprepus: lol (03:55 PM) Orprepus: pp (03:55 PM) rich012: CNBC should put this type of info on the screen during all interviews with analysts, etc.... (03:55 PM) ppusa: sorry, had to ask (03:55 PM) rich012: Call it "Full Disclosure" (03:56 PM) Tom_B: everyone else has to do it (03:56 PM) ppusa: they could run a ticker of our chat (03:56 PM) gravestonedoggie: thnx rich.. suprised her performance not a lot worse than -42 (03:56 PM) ppusa: of course i would have to clean up my end (03:56 PM) Tom_B: -42 what ? (03:56 PM) gravestonedoggie: per cent (03:56 PM) Orprepus: for what tf (03:56 PM) Tom_B: nice touch (03:57 PM) Tom_B: ytd ? (03:57 PM) gravestonedoggie: last 12 months, i think it was (03:57 PM) rich012: 12 mos (03:57 PM) ppusa: Ou es l'homme Daniel? (03:59 PM) gravestonedoggie: it is really sickening that the market washout looks like it was precipitated by those with a political agenda (03:59 PM) ppusa: Es tu ici? (03:59 PM) Daniel X: yah yah im here just sending emails (03:59 PM) Daniel X: why whats up (04:00 PM) ppusa: rien (04:00 PM) gravestonedoggie: what is holding sp500 up? (04:00 PM) gravestonedoggie: hmmm (04:00 PM) Daniel X: ok (04:00 PM) ppusa: N'ecoutez vous (04:00 PM) gravestonedoggie: i guess nothing.. cash near low (04:00 PM) gravestonedoggie: just futures had big discount early (04:00 PM) Ensign Software: new NQ low (04:01 PM) Orprepus: hey howard (04:01 PM) Buffy_04364: Hi Howard (04:01 PM) Ensign Software: hi (04:01 PM) Orprepus: did you buy today? (04:01 PM) Gorillatrader: where are the Fed troops? (04:01 PM) Buffy_04364: no where in sight GT (04:01 PM) gravestonedoggie: they beat (04:01 PM) ppusa: same old trading...different day. Open down, move up to moving averages and ride them down. (04:02 PM) Buffy_04364: some great pictures posted on the websight Howard (04:02 PM) Buffy_04364: one of the new WTC after they decide what they are going to build it out of (04:02 PM) Ensign Software: I saw them, and enjoyed (04:02 PM) Buffy_04364: :-) (04:02 PM) Gorillatrader: yep, all this talk from SEC Chairman, Treasury Sewcretary, Dick Grasso...all these "portfolio and Fund Managers" saying on TV they were not selling..but puying..the patriotic thing to do (04:03 PM) Gorillatrader: not shorting either... Paltalk: Get your FREE credit report @ ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! (04:05 PM) gravestonedoggie: today was like having another tower collapse (04:05 PM) Ensign Software: My first mentor told me years ago that down moves like this are not all that bad. It is like scaping the barnacles off the bottom of the ship hull. When it is over, ship will travel faster again and float better. So, this correction can be a good thing that lets the markets then move higher. Be patient. No reason for gloom and doom. (04:06 PM) rich012: Wow, NQ contract now worth $25,000. I remember the good ole days when it was worth about $100,000. :-( (04:06 PM) luv-to-trade: good point ensign (04:07 PM) Gorillatrader: clears overhead stock that is hanging there, Howard. As long as it trends in an orderly fashion, up or down is okay (04:07 PM) gravestonedoggie: no doom and gloom... but it is another piece of damage, no mater how you slice it (04:07 PM) beanman_1: Howard, I totally agree. the trends in the Higher pyra TF's were down..instead on grinding lower..perhaps we bottom quicker and then start to recover (04:07 PM) luv-to-trade: and tomorrow will be december contract, right? (04:07 PM) gravestonedoggie: i have no bias up or down... but dont like down under these circumstances (04:08 PM) gravestonedoggie: it is not just about us greddy traders making money (04:08 PM) luv-to-trade: I hate to say it, but even if there is a temporary small rally, I am afraid overall there is going to be a lot more down before it stabilizes (04:08 PM) Gorillatrader: all this talk about buying this am, nobody selling or shorting...sucked the public in with buy orders that were filled by professionals shorts or sells (04:08 PM) luv-to-trade: then a period of time before it goes back up (04:08 PM) Buffy_04364: like that story Howard (04:09 PM) Gorillatrader: that is what bothers me (04:09 PM) Buffy_04364: yes it does me also gt (04:09 PM) ppusa: Dow would have broken today regardless. Alltime Dow record percentage drop. 22 percent (04:09 PM) Buffy_04364: tks ppusa (04:09 PM) jimbo_320: everybody is patriotic except the MMs specialists as usual (04:09 PM) Gorillatrader: this is a business to make mony...why does everybody here want it to always go up? (04:10 PM) luv-to-trade: what is all time point drop record for dow? (04:10 PM) gravestonedoggie: no one said always (04:10 PM) gravestonedoggie: up (04:10 PM) gravestonedoggie: said dont want down when terrorists take out a building (04:10 PM) gravestonedoggie: big difference (04:10 PM) Gorillatrader: gsd, read back the logs, that is the preponderance of comments (04:10 PM) ppusa: cnbc said 22 + percent but i didn't catch the date or numbers (04:10 PM) luv-to-trade: ok, thank you (04:10 PM) luv-to-trade: I know if today wasn't it, we came close (04:11 PM) luv-to-trade: right around 500 is what I can remember (04:11 PM) Buffy_04364: I have to get ready to go to portland but going to leave room up and read when come back (04:11 PM) ppusa: GSD unfortunate circumstances agree (04:11 PM) gravestonedoggie: when blu chips get chopped down.. sometimes end of that leg of decline.. (04:11 PM) Gorillatrader: I agree, terrible circumstances (04:11 PM) gravestonedoggie: ya (04:11 PM) gravestonedoggie: sucks (04:12 PM) luv-to-trade: yeah, but now there are a lot more things thrown in the pot besides our economy for that leg (04:12 PM) ppusa: other than that, bring it on (04:12 PM) luv-to-trade: I hate what has been thrown in :( (04:13 PM) kber: Folks, isn't this market environment roughly the same as at the start of the Gulf War? (04:13 PM) GGriz: well, anyone know what bin L's holding company holds? maybe we can short it to the pink sheets (04:13 PM) gravestonedoggie: dow down quite a bit more than naz today... (04:14 PM) Melisa02: cao (04:14 PM) luv-to-trade: the nas couldn't handle a 700 point drop in one day! (04:14 PM) gravestonedoggie: hehe (04:14 PM) gravestonedoggie: i mean per cent (04:14 PM) Gorillatrader: Big Shorts on Re Insurance companies on German stock exchange (04:15 PM) luv-to-trade: I just looked at current contracts, and dec. nq is only 8 points higher than sep. nq (04:15 PM) gravestonedoggie: might be an arbitrage there? (04:15 PM) luv-to-trade: that's because nasdaq has has a much bigger percentage drop already gravestone (04:15 PM) gravestonedoggie: or is it jsut that pirce and rates are so low> Paltalk: Britney,Dido,Outkast,+ MORE! 12 CDs Free + s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! (04:15 PM) gravestonedoggie: that that is what spread should be? (04:16 PM) Ensign Software: 617 is prev biggest day down on INDU (04:16 PM) gravestonedoggie: only 3 point difference between es dec and sept (04:16 PM) GGriz: 22.5% is biggest change (04:16 PM) GGriz: one day (04:16 PM) Gorillatrader: 1987, Howard? (04:17 PM) gravestonedoggie: that has to be too small (04:17 PM) gravestonedoggie: i think you could short sept es and buy dec and be guaranteed a few pt profit, no? (04:17 PM) Daniel X: alright everyone..it's been.............no word (04:17 PM) gravestonedoggie: right luv (04:17 PM) Daniel X: good night (04:18 PM) Ensign Software: no more recent, let me go find it, like Apr 2000 but I will check. (04:18 PM) rich012: think it was april 2000 (04:19 PM) Ensign Software: 616.23 on Apr 14th 2000 (04:19 PM) rich012: Ahhh, the day before tax day ! (04:19 PM) Buffy_04364: tks for info guys (04:19 PM) Gorillatrader: thx (04:20 PM) Buffy_04364: going to leave now - take care and will be back in room when I return in about 4 hrs :-( (04:20 PM) Buffy_04364: wish I could stick around and yak (04:20 PM) Ensign Software: bye judy (04:21 PM) Orprepus: see ya buffy Paltalk: To visit our sponsors, click on banners! (04:22 PM) gravestonedoggie: maybe programtrading.com will ahve answer (04:24 PM) jimbo_320: how did retro do today ? (04:24 PM) gravestonedoggie: they dont show dec, only sept (04:24 PM) GGriz: we roll tomorrow to Dec Paltalk: Get 4 DVDs for 49¢ each plus s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ¢ EACH! (04:30 PM) pechin: why I can not close my position on IB , are they close after market close (04:35 PM) gravestonedoggie: stocks or futures? (04:35 PM) pechin: futures Paltalk: Credit report online. Always private, always secure, get yours FREE from ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! (04:36 PM) rambler_12: usually globex closes for 15 minutes til 4:30 or so daily-- today its end of sep trading--so a bit dif (04:36 PM) Gorillatrader: did you call IB? (04:37 PM) pechin: I am in Mexico and the phone that they provide for international is not working (04:37 PM) kber: I think Globex closes till 4:45, no? (04:37 PM) pechin: I send a e mail (04:38 PM) GGriz: you can chat with IB direct from their web site (04:38 PM) jimbo_320: dave how did you get two paltalk, did u have 2 computers? (04:38 PM) GGriz: globex reopens 14:45 central (04:38 PM) Gorillatrader: 15:45 central (04:39 PM) kber: pechin, is your position NQ or ES? (04:39 PM) GGriz: right, sorry , tha't what I meant (04:39 PM) pechin: es (04:40 PM) gravestonedoggie: ayone know fair value for dec es? (04:40 PM) kber: today is unusual, but normally there isn't any big movement when Globex reopens (04:40 PM) gravestonedoggie: yeah.. as long as no news between clsoe and reopen (04:40 PM) kber: rigjt (04:41 PM) jimbo_320: 950 judging by todays action :- (04:41 PM) jimbo_320: :-) (04:42 PM) jimbo_320: european markets up surprising considering (04:46 PM) gravestonedoggie: they already had the 10% decline last week Paltalk: Get 12 FREE CDs! Click for Details, CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! (04:47 PM) rambler_12: nq trading again (04:47 PM) GGriz: wow 3.5$ spread es Paltalk: Subscribe to Paltalk Plus to stop the popups today! Get it NOW for less than THREE CENTS a day! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. (04:52 PM) gravestonedoggie: 1/4 spread (04:53 PM) pechin: can some make me a big favor and call IB and ask for a pone number a local phon tha I can call from Mexico and post it here so I can call . the internatonal Phon tah they have is not working thanks (04:54 PM) beanman_1: pechin, can you get in to IB via the net? (04:55 PM) pechin: yes but they have only email (04:55 PM) rambler_12: IB has phonaphobia-- do better on their webchat or email (04:55 PM) beanman_1: can't you close your position on the web? (04:55 PM) pechin: I have no microfone (04:56 PM) pechin: oh close the position on the web I will try thanks (04:56 PM) rambler_12: they have textchat (04:56 PM) beanman_1: are you using TWS 4.0 , the java applicaton? (04:56 PM) pechin: TWS 4 not the java Paltalk: Get 4 DVDs for 49¢ each plush s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ¢ EACH! (04:59 PM) rambler_12: they puttin us new guys on tws3 til they upgrade for the multiple futures that are due out (05:03 PM) gravestonedoggie: tws3 far better (05:05 PM) rambler_12: agree- but could you be more specific gsd? (05:06 PM) gravestonedoggie: more specific? (05:06 PM) gravestonedoggie: orders hit faster.. (05:06 PM) gravestonedoggie: can get an order off quicker (05:06 PM) gravestonedoggie: prices are more timely on 3 (05:06 PM) rambler_12: as to how its better-- cleaner ? (05:06 PM) rambler_12: yes Paltalk: Get your FREE credit report @ ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! (05:07 PM) gravestonedoggie: one disadvantage is you cant move the window around like tws 4 (05:10 PM) jimbo_320: anybody here? (05:11 PM) gravestonedoggie: y (05:12 PM) jimbo_320: how'd you do today gsd? (05:12 PM) gravestonedoggie: couple of trades, even on day (05:12 PM) gravestonedoggie: mostly sat on hadns (05:12 PM) gravestonedoggie: you do well? (05:13 PM) jimbo_320: not really one +5 es then the rest flat or stopped for small loss (05:13 PM) jimbo_320: so covered fees i guess (05:13 PM) gravestonedoggie: that is fine (05:14 PM) jimbo_320: i had another that i sold at 43, watched it go to 38, then back to 43 and stop out for be - comms (05:14 PM) jimbo_320: i was absolututely sure we would retest the lows so i held onto it (05:15 PM) gravestonedoggie: yeah... once the day got choppy... got pretty tough (05:15 PM) gravestonedoggie: cuz price action jumped all over (05:15 PM) gravestonedoggie: es held on pretty well (05:16 PM) jimbo_320: i guess it closed around the 1040? (05:16 PM) gravestonedoggie: 1039 and is up a few pts now (05:17 PM) jimbo_320: strange day, expected but not really what we wanted Paltalk: Britney,Dido,Outkast,+ MORE! 12 CDs Free + s&h. 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Paltalk: Britney,Dido,Outkast,+ MORE! 12 CDs Free + s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! (07:20 PM) Ensign Software: If you are interested you can go to the Ensign web site (07:20 PM) Ensign Software: and download a beta release of the new eSignal version and use it (07:20 PM) Ensign Software: the Aug 31st version will remain available just in case you want to return to a prior version because of an unknown problem with the beta version (07:21 PM) dave_b_quik: ok (07:21 PM) Ensign Software: after a week of beta testing, we intend to have it replace the aug 31st version and have everyone upgrade. (07:22 PM) Ensign Software: if not are not interested in using the beta version, that is fine, you can wait a week to get the new features when we do the general release (07:22 PM) Ensign Software: beta give you the following main new items: Paltalk: Are banners a bummer and popups a pain? Cure your banner blues NOW for $9.95 a year! Click HELP on your Pal List then select Bannerless PalTalk to subscribe now! No banners! No Popups! Fast video in all groups! (07:22 PM) Ensign Software: 1) resizable study sub windows, just drag vertically inside the window to resize (07:23 PM) dave_b_quik: cool (07:23 PM) Ensign Software: 2) layouts are now workspaces and a workspace file will have all information so it can be sent by e-mail to other users and restore chart with same studies and draw tools as you see. (07:24 PM) Ensign Software: 3) this means the workspace will now let you have different draw tools on two copies of the same chart (07:24 PM) dave_b_quik: great! so the draw tools are part of the workspace instead of part of the chart? (07:25 PM) Ensign Software: 4) Templates are simpler to use. There is no 'template mode' where the template will auto change with you. Instead you have to specifically save the template definition for it to change. (07:25 PM) Ensign Software: yes, lines are part of the workspace, not the chart (07:25 PM) Ensign Software: 5) The bar data panel fields, and the chart caption fields are easily reordered now using the SetUp | Charts form. (07:26 PM) Ensign Software: 6) if you send a workspace file to another user, and they save it in the C:\Ensign\Macro folder, the new workspace name will show in their workspace list. (07:27 PM) Ensign Software: 7) workspaces are now the 1st button on the main button bar (07:27 PM) Ensign Software: 8) The chart button (now 2nd button) is greatly changed so it shows a list of symbols and a list of time frames so you can quickly display a new chart. Much easier than using the quote page and T button to do the same thing. Paltalk: Get 4 DVDs for 49¢ each plus s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ¢ EACH! (07:30 PM) dave_b_quik: sounds like you've been working hard! (07:30 PM) Ensign Software: 9) Template can apply the overlay like TICKI, and the grid draw lines in the sub window, and the alerts that alarm the ticki triggers. (07:31 PM) Ensign Software: Mucho hard, including vacation and lighter load with the markets closed last week. Many many hours have gone into the improvements (07:31 PM) Ensign Software: It will be a major improvement for ease of use and 1st impression, as well as giving you items oft requested like resizeable sub-windows (07:31 PM) Ensign Software: and shareable workspaces (07:31 PM) dave_b_quik: a lotta the things we've asked for recently (07:32 PM) Ensign Software: practically everything, except retro-trader (07:32 PM) Ensign Software: are you DTN or eSignal? (07:32 PM) dave_b_quik: eSignal (07:33 PM) Ensign Software: ok, for the DTN audience they will be please to know the Internet Services tool now can download and merge in free intra-day data from the Internet, so the tool is equivalent to the refresh you get from eSignal servers. (07:34 PM) Ensign Software: still does not do ticks or constant tick charts, but having intra-day bar refresh for DTN users will make them really happy. (07:34 PM) dave_b_quik: i bet (07:35 PM) Ensign Software: They already had daily bars, but now EW will do more markets and more symbols in those markets for the free data download from the Internet. (07:35 PM) Ensign Software: should be less support for me, because occasionally a person would be down for a day and then lean on me to send him replacement intra-day files for key markets being followed (07:36 PM) Ensign Software: of course, I would always try to be helpful, even though it might take me a couple hours at night to round up the data for the person. (07:36 PM) dave_b_quik: that must be a pain (07:36 PM) Ensign Software: but it is hard to tell someone no (07:37 PM) Ensign Software: anyway, if anyone does the beta version, I will be available for teaching in the Ensign room tomorrow morning. (07:37 PM) dave_b_quik: i'll try it (07:38 PM) dave_b_quik: are a lot of people using it yet? (07:38 PM) Ensign Software: I think buffy was interested in using the beta when it became available. (07:38 PM) dave_b_quik: i thot she already had it (07:38 PM) dave_b_quik: she had mentioned it (07:38 PM) money19: I have the beat version (07:38 PM) Ensign Software: ok, thanks. I appreciate your help in looking for behavior that is either not right or is confusing. What the product to purr along and be easier to use so we get more users. (07:39 PM) Ensign Software: no, beta posted just this past hour (07:39 PM) dave_b_quik: ok, i'll check it out (07:39 PM) money19: there ws some posted in our rooms about 4 hers ago (07:39 PM) Ensign Software: she listened in on training I did with my staff on the 12th and I posted screen images to the dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart site during the discussion. (07:39 PM) Ensign Software: so she saw it, but did not have it. Paltalk: Credit report online. Always private, always secure, get yours FREE from ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! (07:40 PM) Ensign Software: you mean today, in dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart site? (07:40 PM) dave_b_quik: ya, i think she mentioned it this morning (07:41 PM) Ensign Software: nothing in 9-17 room is from the beta version. (07:41 PM) Ensign Software: the stuff I posted on 9-12 was from beta version (07:41 PM) dave_b_quik: OK, she probably meant it was coming (07:41 PM) dave_b_quik: i'll look (07:46 PM) dave_b_quik: what language is that? (07:47 PM) dave_b_quik: MAleSexyMAn has been bounced from the group Paltalk: Get 12 FREE CDs! Click for Details, CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! Paltalk: Multivideo has been activated in all Paltalk groups!!! With Paltalk 4.0 (available from our beta link on our homepage), you can see up to three people in every group. Paltalk Plus subscribers can see people in full motion video. (07:53 PM) butch1000: does anyone know junior_159 (07:54 PM) Ensign Software: no (07:54 PM) dave_b_quik: n (07:55 PM) dave_b_quik: add him to your pal list and then you can send a private message (07:59 PM) Buffy_04364: bk Paltalk: Get 4 DVDs for 49¢ each plush s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ¢ EACH! (08:01 PM) dave_b_quik: hi buffy, howard stopped in and said the beta is out (08:01 PM) dave_b_quik: if you scroll back you'll see his comments abou tit (08:03 PM) dave_b_quik: bbl