Welcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders. Most of us follow methods taught at intelligentspeculator.com. We're here when "TRENDVUE TRADERS WKSHOP" is locked down for a paid session. You can post charts at www.DaCharts.com Spammers & hecklers get the boot. Paltalk: You DO have a choice! Buy bannerless to end your popup blues today! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. Only $9.95 a year! That's less than THREE CENTS per day! WOW!!! Welcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders. Most of us follow methods taught at intelligentspeculator.com. We're here when "TRENDVUE TRADERS WKSHOP" is locked down for a paid session. You can post charts at www.DaCharts.com Spammers & hecklers get the boot. Paltalk: To visit our sponsors, click on banners! Welcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders. Most of us follow methods taught at intelligentspeculator.com. We're here when "TRENDVUE TRADERS WKSHOP" is locked down for a paid session. You can post charts at www.DaCharts.com Spammers & hecklers get the boot. (08:17 AM) Buffy_04364: dave did you see my post before you left? Paltalk: Subscribe to bannerless to stop the popups today! Get it NOW for less than THREE CENTS a day! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. (08:55 AM) GGriz: good morning index shoppers (08:56 AM) GGriz: Free Boots for hecklers, come on Down (08:56 AM) beanman_1: Does anyone want to buy any carpets here? (08:57 AM) dave_b_quick: lol (08:58 AM) beanman_1: Buffy you there? (08:58 AM) Buffy_04364: yes (08:59 AM) Buffy_04364: just came back from doing dishes Paltalk: Please visit our advertisers by clicking on banners. (08:59 AM) Buffy_04364: the 12M trader is a lot more heads up trading than the 15M trader (08:59 AM) beanman_1: re: the PNF chat from Friday, what box size was ppusa using? (08:59 AM) Buffy_04364: he has lots of them (09:00 AM) beanman_1: yes, does 4=400? (09:00 AM) Buffy_04364: he has the 4-5-6-10-15-16 on the 1M (09:00 AM) Buffy_04364: 25-50 on the 5M (09:01 AM) Buffy_04364: 75-125-200 on the hour chart (09:01 AM) Buffy_04364: according to my notes (09:01 AM) beanman_1: I got all that from the transcript, what is the reversal amount? (09:01 AM) Buffy_04364: you know I just noticed I don't have that down (09:01 AM) Buffy_04364: we will have to ask him (09:01 AM) Buffy_04364: I do have 500 rev 5 written down (09:02 AM) Buffy_04364: also have 100-4rev (09:02 AM) Buffy_04364: 100-5rev (09:02 AM) Buffy_04364: 100-6rev (09:02 AM) Buffy_04364: 200-3rev (09:02 AM) Buffy_04364: wrotten ddown (09:03 AM) beanman_1: but the 4, 5, 6, 10... is 400, 500, 600.. right? (09:03 AM) Buffy_04364: yes that is how it should be entered into ensign I believe (09:04 AM) beanman_1: we also need to ask him if he uses days session and/or night (09:06 AM) Buffy_04364: he said he put in a buy for a lower amount than was trading yesterday (09:06 AM) Buffy_04364: 1632 I think and only went down to 1633 so he watched (09:06 AM) Buffy_04364: Best doesn't let you enter a buy below trading price - at least I can't find a way (09:07 AM) Buffy_04364: all sessions I had to redo the chart and post it (09:08 AM) Buffy_04364: to match his (09:08 AM) Buffy_04364: I knew I should know the answer to that - just had to think a bit (09:08 AM) beanman_1: yeah, because the charts I worked up last night using his setting are outdated as soon as I changed to night (09:09 AM) Buffy_04364: it sounds like a lot to learn with much of his knowledge coming from experience (09:10 AM) Buffy_04364: has he ever said how long he has been using PnF? (09:11 AM) Orprepus: morning all (09:11 AM) Buffy_04364: The TF to use with the 12M trader are also the 4M and 2M charts (09:11 AM) Buffy_04364: morning Orprepus (09:12 AM) Buffy_04364: but like I said a lot more watching, paying attention to making new highs/lows and TL (09:12 AM) Buffy_04364: AND staying out when MA are flat! (09:12 AM) Buffy_04364: just like all tf for me (09:12 AM) Daniel X: Good mornung everyone (09:12 AM) Buffy_04364: although the sign on computer doesn't always prevent me from a trade like it should :-) (09:13 AM) Buffy_04364: morning daniel (09:13 AM) beanman_1: Don't know, I would like to just settled on a box box size for a 1m, 5min , 15min and 60min (09:13 AM) Buffy_04364: I don't know why he has all those different box sizes on the same tf (09:14 AM) beanman_1: What is 12m trader? (09:14 AM) Daniel X: ORP can you post that link you posted last week with the guy in the bear suit. (09:14 AM) Buffy_04364: was looking at that TF instead of Dave's 15M trader (09:14 AM) Daniel X: and Buffy? (09:15 AM) Buffy_04364: It is a lot more heads up trading (09:15 AM) Buffy_04364: use the 4M and 2M with it (09:15 AM) Daniel X: specifics plz (09:15 AM) Buffy_04364: need to pay attention to making higher highs/lows and TL (09:15 AM) dave_b_quick: i was wondering how the 9m/3m combo might work after summer doldrums are over too (09:15 AM) Buffy_04364: that is a good combination according to Mike when there is volitility (09:16 AM) Daniel X: Dave wanna buy a Ferrari real cheap? (09:16 AM) dave_b_quick: LOL, after seeing those pics i might give up driving (09:17 AM) Buffy_04364: 12M trader did come out ahead yesterday - just not so sure worth the constant watch of the lower TF (09:17 AM) Daniel X: horrible isn,t it (09:17 AM) dave_b_quick: a waker upper (09:17 AM) Daniel X: Buffy "ahead" because of earlier entries? (09:18 AM) Buffy_04364: and earlier exits (09:19 AM) Daniel X: in and out using only the 12? (09:19 AM) Buffy_04364: with TL breaks (09:19 AM) Daniel X: oh i see (09:19 AM) Buffy_04364: and not making higher/lower highs/lows (09:19 AM) Buffy_04364: tightening stops when it consolidates on lower TF showing indecision (09:20 AM) Buffy_04364: stuff that takes time to become automatic and not as easy as retrotraders exit rules (09:21 AM) Buffy_04364: no Daniel have to watch the 2M and 4M to keep a pulse on what is going on (09:21 AM) Buffy_04364: finally figured out that is why I "have" to watch the lower TF even though I usually don't trade them - it "talks" to me better than the larger ones (09:22 AM) Buffy_04364: as silly as that sounds (09:22 AM) dave_b_quick: one of the biggest problems with any system is the discipline it takes to trade it (09:22 AM) Daniel X: ditto (09:22 AM) Buffy_04364: no truer words spoken Dave (09:23 AM) dave_b_quick: that's why even systems that have good numbers don't work for most people (09:23 AM) Daniel X: i'm use to 5 and 1 min trading so imagine how hard it is for me to see 5+ points on the table and not move mt stop! (09:23 AM) Buffy_04364: I have same problem with retrotrader (09:23 AM) dave_b_quick: especially if it's somebody else's system (09:24 AM) Buffy_04364: I am the one that rather get out at a sign of trouble and then reenter if it doesn't materialize (09:24 AM) dave_b_quick: ya, dan, i hate that too (09:24 AM) Daniel X: but u know what...it's the results at the end of the week that count! (09:24 AM) Buffy_04364: this is true Dan - I can't complain there - watching retro to see if my broker doesn't get so much LOL (09:25 AM) Buffy_04364: and I can adapt it for me (09:25 AM) dave_b_quick: ya, for me personally once i'm out there's a high probability i'll miss the rest of the move (09:25 AM) ppusa: Is this discussion centered around yesterday's trade? (09:25 AM) dave_b_quick: no, just in general (09:25 AM) Buffy_04364: it is centered around retro in general (09:25 AM) Daniel X: Retro 's trades (09:26 AM) ppusa: ok (09:26 AM) Buffy_04364: you use all sessions on all of your charts ppusa? (09:26 AM) ppusa: I was beating myself up yester because that trade was a breakout going for the HOD (09:26 AM) Daniel X: 38.50? (09:26 AM) Daniel X: or 50 (09:26 AM) ppusa: 1 exception, ! hr for both (09:27 AM) Buffy_04364: there is at least one trade I get upset with myself for a day - at least (09:27 AM) Daniel X: is that all!? (09:27 AM) ppusa: was 49 at the time (09:27 AM) Buffy_04364: LOL no wish it was (09:27 AM) Daniel X: ok so 50 for Retro (09:28 AM) Buffy_04364: what reversal box do you use with the various box sizes? is it the same or different for all of them (09:28 AM) ppusa: I should have known and said more. (09:28 AM) Daniel X: i was short on the other end of that bar @ 43 (09:28 AM) Daniel X: took - 3 (09:29 AM) ppusa: buffy doesn't matter rev (09:29 AM) dave_b_quick: i thot about it too dan (09:29 AM) ppusa: 15 is 5x3 or 3x6 (09:29 AM) ppusa: 3x5 Paltalk: Your friends are just a click away! Press the invite button NOW! (09:29 AM) Daniel X: Dave the problem is...Retro was still in from 38.50 long! (09:30 AM) Daniel X: so that was his exit not really a valid entry...needed to wait for a new set up (09:31 AM) Daniel X: and they're off! (09:31 AM) Buffy_04364: well I got confused because my notes from friday say 100 with reversals of 4 and 5 and 6 and 200 with 3 (09:31 AM) ppusa: I try to base all my trades around the daily range. Because EVERY chart is just a reflection of this. (09:31 AM) ppusa: don't forget Buffy, 100 is one (09:31 AM) dave_b_quick: good point pusa. (09:32 AM) Buffy_04364: yes (09:32 AM) Daniel X: back in 10 mins (09:32 AM) ppusa: 1x4, 1x5, 1x6 (09:32 AM) ppusa: 200x3 is same as 1x6 (09:32 AM) ppusa: 2x3 (09:33 AM) ppusa: So if I know we will have a higher high on a given day, the charts will look accordingly. (09:35 AM) ppusa: and if the low is in and they can't break it, I know I need to give the market time to put in the HOD. (09:37 AM) ppusa: Sometimes this soundds to simple but if you take my head out of the charts, things sometimes begin to clearify. (09:37 AM) ppusa: clarify (09:37 AM) dave_b_quick: ya, i trade better after a break (09:38 AM) ppusa: for instance today, we have a higher high. So we should hold yesterdaay's range on the low. (09:39 AM) ppusa: So in an up market, a retest should be bot. (09:39 AM) dave_b_quick: ah (09:39 AM) ppusa: retest, pull back, etc. (09:39 AM) wlevicki: nq almost touched the 50% of high to low of month/lrun here (09:39 AM) ppusa: BUT (09:41 AM) ppusa: If this is a bear market, the nas should break 1500 and go lower to a knew trading range. Not just come back, but go down and stay down until someday we might come back. (09:41 AM) dave_b_quick: what's the inverse of the law of gravity? (09:42 AM) ppusa: up (09:42 AM) elly_34: Robert Miner says nas won't bottom til next summer (09:42 AM) ppusa: That's ok (09:42 AM) ab_18: good low coming in mid Oct (09:42 AM) elly_34: sp also (09:42 AM) dave_b_quick: wouldn't be surprised if it takes a good while Welcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders. Most of us follow methods taught at intelligentspeculator.com. We're here when "TRENDVUE TRADERS WKSHOP" is locked down for a paid session. You can post charts at www.DaCharts.com Spammers & hecklers get the boot. (09:44 AM) rs_5: morning all (09:44 AM) dave_b_quick: mornin (09:44 AM) Buffy_04364: morning RS (09:44 AM) cctraderx: morning (09:44 AM) ppusa: Do you think the low is in, regardless if we break or not? (09:44 AM) rs_5: saw a mike next to ab_18, but did not hear any sounds (09:44 AM) rs_5: hello dave, buffy, cc :) (09:45 AM) Daniel X: 77 pivoy point res 1 (09:45 AM) ppusa: or do you think the high is in, or neither or both or ? (09:45 AM) Daniel X: lol (09:45 AM) ppusa: the charts will reflect this. (09:45 AM) ab_18: when I copy text noticed that (09:46 AM) ppusa: I think the market will retest the low so I almost already went short. (09:46 AM) ab_18: no audio (09:46 AM) ppusa: based on PnF. (09:46 AM) ppusa: But I thought I would type for awhile (09:47 AM) ppusa: gee, the market is open and I didn't realize it. (09:47 AM) ppusa: enough for now (09:48 AM) jimbo_320: morning all (09:49 AM) elly_34: morning jimbo (09:49 AM) Buffy_04364: morning Jimbo (09:49 AM) ppusa: Well, one last thing, it doesn't matter "when" we bottom, just whether we go down/ (09:49 AM) jimbo_320: making $ i hope :-) (09:51 AM) ppusa: 50 point PnF could reverse. COULD, doesn't have to (09:51 AM) ppusa: anyone short, should look for more than a few ticks. (09:51 AM) rs_5: morning jimbo (09:51 AM) Orprepus: short (09:52 AM) ab_18: careful (09:52 AM) Buffy_04364: yes just took out TL on 75T (09:53 AM) Daniel X: Retro down 5 (09:53 AM) jimbo_320: es takes 1200 (09:53 AM) Daniel X: stay with the trend (09:54 AM) ppusa: Orp, I will probably not look seriously to go short until the trend changes. (09:54 AM) jimbo_320: retro does does do too well in the first 15, to choppy, maybe a rule should be added? (09:54 AM) Buffy_04364: 1670 would of been 12M out (09:54 AM) Daniel X: 1670 was Retro's stop (09:54 AM) dave_b_quick: ya, jimbo, looking for more rules for chop (09:55 AM) Buffy_04364: yes to switch to lower tf (09:55 AM) Buffy_04364: just for first trade (09:56 AM) Daniel X: buy stop @78 (09:56 AM) ppusa: Everytime there is an up day, the world thinks the market has bottomed and they pile in. (09:56 AM) jimbo_320: a good indiactor of buyers at the open is when a lot of stocks gap up on the open, then suddenly sell off on light volume ( as mms aquire inventory), then reverse up again, happens all the time (09:57 AM) ppusa: agree jimbo, but I can't follow volume very well (09:57 AM) Buffy_04364: failed test of high? (09:57 AM) Daniel X: maybe (09:58 AM) Buffy_04364: watching Paltalk: Go bannerless and support PalTalk! Subscribe today! Only $9.95 a year! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. (10:00 AM) ab_18: may have to give gap up opening another 30 min to try to fill (10:01 AM) ppusa: 54 low from last night. Holding 50 area which was resistance, now support. (10:01 AM) ppusa: do i think they will take it out. Yes. (10:01 AM) Daniel X: 1677 pivot point res1 very strong (10:01 AM) ppusa: when I don't know. (10:01 AM) Buffy_04364: yep it is couldn't do it (10:02 AM) ppusa: if I get an op to go short, I will and I will put in a stop if I can shooting for the low. (10:03 AM) ppusa: but there is no evidence yet, this market won't go straight up (10:04 AM) 4nq: Mornin..........what time do we open today??lol (10:04 AM) dave_b_quick: LOLO (10:04 AM) Buffy_04364: LOL (10:04 AM) Daniel X: lol (10:05 AM) beanman_1: ppusa, can you suggest a box and reversal size for the 1min, 15min and 60min (10:05 AM) beanman_1: and 5min (10:06 AM) Buffy_04364: consolidating for something (10:06 AM) ppusa: yes (10:07 AM) ppusa: i really think you need to look at more than one. (10:07 AM) beanman_1: more than one for each TF? (10:08 AM) ppusa: But in consolidation areas I would suggest a 1x4 (100 by 4) (10:08 AM) ppusa: beanman yes (10:08 AM) beanman_1: Do you display all the sizes you mentioned friday and/or just have templetes for each in Ensign? (10:08 AM) ppusa: and a 10 point (2x5) (10:09 AM) ppusa: trading, hang on (10:09 AM) jimbo_320: chop chop (10:09 AM) ppusa: all, hang on (10:12 AM) jimbo_320: lets hope 1202 is not the high of the day or we could sell off here, quite heavy es volume, could be top? (10:14 AM) rs_5: putting in a higher low on es? (10:18 AM) Buffy_04364: if any of you have your email open all the time, remember to compact all folders once in a while. Improves your memory a lot. I usually do it once a day and at least on MWF (10:18 AM) dave_b_quick: i just noticed IB lowered their NQ margin to 5250/4200 (10:18 AM) ppusa: 1-2-3 to put in HOD (10:19 AM) Indycator: dave, did they lower the ES too? (10:19 AM) cctraderx: dave is that initial or minimum margin? (10:19 AM) ppusa: we go through 80, this could take awhile (10:20 AM) cctraderx: no not on es, I just looked (10:20 AM) dave_b_quick: 5250 init, 4200 maint (10:20 AM) cctraderx: thanks (10:20 AM) dave_b_quick: dono about ES lemme check (10:21 AM) cctraderx: es 4312 and 3450 (10:21 AM) dave_b_quick: thanks (10:21 AM) ppusa: cross 1672, nq falls below 200 bar ma (10:21 AM) ab_18: trying a short here (10:21 AM) ppusa: freee falling (10:21 AM) Daniel X: retro down 2 times (10:22 AM) ppusa: keep going you mini nasty! (10:22 AM) dave_b_quick: maybe there's a cheaper way to identify chop suey (10:22 AM) Daniel X: lol (10:22 AM) ppusa: stuck at 200 MA, sorry, 50 ma (10:23 AM) ppusa: 200 is what we hit at 1662 to start rally (10:24 AM) Buffy_04364: just posted 75T chart so far it is ok for today (10:25 AM) dave_b_quick: perty chart, buffy (10:25 AM) Buffy_04364: just posted again with another line - thanks Dave (10:25 AM) Buffy_04364: silly triangles (10:26 AM) Buffy_04364: wedges whatever (10:26 AM) ppusa: chart pattern on 10 tick PnF looks like it will lead into a sell signal...BUT the market is currently holding (10:26 AM) ppusa: starting to fade (10:26 AM) Buffy_04364: yep broke the TL (10:26 AM) ppusa: sell sig at 66 (10:27 AM) ppusa: sorry, 62 (10:27 AM) ppusa: so far just retracement. (10:27 AM) Buffy_04364: bouncing on MA on 5 and 12 though (10:27 AM) Buffy_04364: so careful (10:27 AM) ppusa: express elevator to LOD (10:28 AM) Buffy_04364: has gone through them (10:28 AM) Buffy_04364: 1662? (10:28 AM) ppusa: PnF dbl bottom, should break (10:29 AM) ppusa: can't imagine lOD holding here/ (10:29 AM) Buffy_04364: I do my best when I don't imagine anythng LOL (10:29 AM) jimbo_320: out es +3.5 Paltalk: Please support our sponsors by clicking on banners. (10:29 AM) cctraderx: lol (10:29 AM) ab_18: think I'll cover (10:29 AM) Buffy_04364: out (10:30 AM) ppusa: 1x4 in sell, due for reversal (10:30 AM) ppusa: ignoring it (10:30 AM) Buffy_04364: below MA only taking sell signals now (10:31 AM) cctraderx: which ma is that? (10:31 AM) Buffy_04364: 9-20-40-200 (10:32 AM) Buffy_04364: just posted 75T (10:32 AM) Buffy_04364: below 20 on 2M (10:32 AM) Buffy_04364: and the 40 (10:32 AM) Buffy_04364: below the 20 on 5M (10:33 AM) ppusa: 1x5, 1x6 1x4 all looking for reversals which means we should start to see small bounces from somewhere, whether here or lower. I am hoping for lower. (10:33 AM) Buffy_04364: dotted lines are the 9-20 solid lines are the 40-200 (10:33 AM) Daniel X: Dave is Retro short from 68 or he stood aside waiting for trend? (10:33 AM) cctraderx: nice chart (10:33 AM) ab_18: gaps not filled (10:33 AM) Daniel X: chop chop chopsuey Welcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders. Most of us follow methods taught at intelligentspeculator.com. We're here when "TRENDVUE TRADERS WKSHOP" is locked down for a paid session. You can post charts at www.DaCharts.com Spammers & hecklers get the boot. (10:35 AM) dave_b_quick: dan i took the 1668 sell (10:35 AM) Daniel X: oh ok (10:35 AM) Buffy_04364: poke bar with high of 1666 for that TL extended down (10:35 AM) ppusa: 1x4 reversed. (10:36 AM) Buffy_04364: posted it (10:36 AM) ppusa: sorry, no (10:36 AM) ppusa: 67 reverses it (10:36 AM) ppusa: hit 66 (10:36 AM) Daniel X: 17.50 point range FAGETABOUTITI (10:36 AM) Buffy_04364: exactly what TL says ppusa yshoo (10:37 AM) Buffy_04364: you losing it Daniel LOL (10:37 AM) Daniel X: LOL (10:38 AM) jimbo_320: es providing better trading at the moment (10:39 AM) Buffy_04364: almost got filled at 1667 - give it extra room on a reversal of trend (10:39 AM) Buffy_04364: testing the TL now (10:39 AM) Buffy_04364: posted (10:39 AM) 4nq: adding to shorts (10:40 AM) Buffy_04364: 2M consolidating (10:40 AM) ppusa: buffy were you trying to short at 67? (10:40 AM) Buffy_04364: no long (10:40 AM) Indycator: how's it going today, 4nq? (10:40 AM) Buffy_04364: as a reversal on the TL (10:40 AM) Buffy_04364: break (10:40 AM) Buffy_04364: might go back up and test bottom of other TL (10:41 AM) Buffy_04364: worth a shot (10:41 AM) Buffy_04364: short off consolidation on 2M (10:41 AM) ppusa: I wouldn't (10:41 AM) 4nq: covering addsand 50% of original (10:41 AM) ppusa: na's down (10:41 AM) ppusa: ma's (10:42 AM) ab_18: use stops (10:43 AM) Buffy_04364: stop at 60 for +2 (10:43 AM) Buffy_04364: and filled (10:43 AM) ppusa: covered a short (10:43 AM) 4nq: Indy, now it's going good!1 lol (10:44 AM) ppusa: OK, here is what i saw on that trade for anyone who cares. First, I should have stayed short, with a stop. (10:44 AM) ab_18: y (10:44 AM) ppusa: well, maybe not (10:44 AM) Daniel X: 68 was the sell (10:45 AM) jimbo_320: i see nq clunked after es today. No followthrough on es yet (10:46 AM) jimbo_320: daniel 1680 was THE sell :-) (10:46 AM) Daniel X: lol (10:46 AM) Daniel X: 77 pivot yes (10:46 AM) dave_b_quick: did you catch it jimbo? (10:47 AM) Buffy_04364: now in a lfag posted (10:48 AM) jimbo_320: fraid not dave, picking trend reversals is not my strong point, i need to swop buttons at that stage... bailed es for be, up 3.5 so far (10:48 AM) dave_b_quick: great job! (10:48 AM) jimbo_320: now it'll sell off (10:49 AM) ppusa: Anyway, i was counting the number of up hours on the intraday one hour chart and felt based on my expectations of the daily range we would get a down, Then there was the nq back on it's untested LOD and the double bottom on the 10 point PnF. So I ignored the shorter term PnF's figuring they would reverse (bounce) after we broke. This tiime I got lucky and that's what happened. (Althiough we came within 1/2 tick of a 1x4 reversal bounce.) (10:50 AM) ppusa: We broke and now we will get a series of stairstep bounces to LOD (10:50 AM) Buffy_04364: short off the flag (10:50 AM) cctraderx: good job (10:50 AM) dave_b_quick: NQ testing 20EMA15 (10:50 AM) jimbo_320: told you it'd clunk once i covered my short (10:51 AM) cctraderx: missed it myself, saw the flag (10:51 AM) 4nq: had to reboot main puter....damn (10:51 AM) dave_b_quick: i hate that (10:51 AM) Daniel X: 45 pivot point (10:52 AM) Daniel X: Dave what u covered early? (10:52 AM) ppusa: now to answer beanman's question, I have a chart with each of those PnF's because, for instance, if I watched only the 1x4 on this last trade, I would have missed the pattern on the 2x5 (double bottom) (10:52 AM) cctraderx: 92 on es - pivot (10:52 AM) Indycator: 4nq.....did you cover too soon? or still short some? ohhhh, that is bad timing to have to reboot (10:52 AM) jimbo_320: now the 1650 clunk (10:52 AM) dave_b_quick: no still short 1668 (10:52 AM) 4nq: covered runners bec of it (10:52 AM) 4nq: @59 (10:52 AM) Daniel X: ok u hate what ...rebotting? (10:52 AM) dave_b_quick: ya (10:52 AM) Daniel X: booting? (10:52 AM) Daniel X: ok Welcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders. Most of us follow methods taught at intelligentspeculator.com. We're here when "TRENDVUE TRADERS WKSHOP" is locked down for a paid session. You can post charts at www.DaCharts.com Spammers & hecklers get the boot. (10:54 AM) ppusa: You can easily switch back and forth with a couple. (10:54 AM) ppusa: Just occasionally look at longer term. (10:54 AM) jimbo_320: sox cracks through 600 (10:54 AM) ppusa: a 25 point is very important (10:56 AM) ppusa: ok we will get a six tick reversal from this area (10:56 AM) 4nq: is there any "alert" when I get disconnected from Pal? (10:56 AM) 4nq: long nq (10:56 AM) ppusa: anyone still short? (10:56 AM) dave_b_quick: no, still paltalk still looks connected sometimes but you just talk to yrself (10:56 AM) Buffy_04364: i just had to shut this down and reboot (10:56 AM) Orprepus: yes (10:56 AM) Orprepus: short (10:56 AM) Buffy_04364: so need to get back into the zone LOL (10:57 AM) jimbo_320: wheres the retro stop now dave ? (10:57 AM) 4nq: when someone leaves can we see that?? (10:57 AM) ppusa: good going Orp, thought you might have got stopped. (10:57 AM) dave_b_quick: sl 1667 (10:58 AM) ab_18: got a bad tick from dtn (10:58 AM) Orprepus: almost within a 1 pt (10:58 AM) Orprepus: if you haven't guessed today will be down (10:58 AM) jimbo_320: protecting those profits then :-) (10:58 AM) ppusa: good (10:58 AM) dave_b_quick: 4nq, only if you look at the list of names, hard when there's more than a handful (10:58 AM) ppusa: that would have been a bummer (10:58 AM) 4nq: exiting longs (10:59 AM) Orprepus: enter place stop and had to take a short break (10:59 AM) 4nq: out (10:59 AM) 4nq: flat (10:59 AM) ab_18: there better looking chart Paltalk: Are banners a bummer and popups a pain? Cure your banner blues NOW for $9.95 a year! Click HELP on your Pal List then select Bannerless PalTalk to subscribe now! (11:00 AM) ab_18: gotta run ring the cash register (11:00 AM) 4nq: nice 6 tick call,pp (11:00 AM) Orprepus: expect more down today - but will cover and take profit - have a few errands to run this morning - chat with you in about an hour or so (11:01 AM) dave_b_quick: thanks, orp (11:02 AM) ppusa: Buffy, fyi, when I use the term reversal, itt means correction, or bounce. 4 things can happen with PnF. Reversal, buy sigs and sell sigs and further retracement of a buy or sell sig. I think you know all this. (11:02 AM) Buffy_04364: yes but thanks for making sure (11:02 AM) jimbo_320: dave do you enter a sell stop and a buy stop straight after the 15 min bar, can ib set both a buy and a sell simultaneously? (11:03 AM) Daniel X: should (11:03 AM) Buffy_04364: break here for me - make easier to get focused again maybe (11:03 AM) Buffy_04364: best can jimbo (11:04 AM) dave_b_quick: jimbo, if it's a small inside bar i might set both, otherwise only the one where it looks like it's going. Yes, IB can have as many working orders as you want. (11:04 AM) cctraderx: as long as you have the margin to cover - lol (11:05 AM) ppusa: I have found the 25 point PnF a prety good tool for retracements. Used to be 50 but now that the daily range is so small, 50 doesn't work as well. NQ just reversed 25 points. This means in terms of daily range the LOD may be in. (11:05 AM) cctraderx: thanks ppusa (11:05 AM) jimbo_320: ppuse nice doji on es as well (11:05 AM) dave_b_quick: cc: IB doesn't slow yr order down by checking it against your margin, they just disallow the profit later if the trade was done without adequate margin (11:06 AM) 4nq: NQ unchanged..............does this mean the day doesn't count??? (11:06 AM) dave_b_quick: doggie day (11:06 AM) ppusa: Next question we have to ask ourselves, where is the next real move. (11:06 AM) jimbo_320: buffy is best on globex or just stocks? (11:06 AM) cctraderx: thanks dave (11:07 AM) ppusa: all my PnF's are happy with this and the ten point says we could get a bounce to reverse it. (11:08 AM) jimbo_320: retro has buy at 1662 (11:08 AM) ppusa: at this point, taking out the high would be a buy signal (11:09 AM) 4nq: the whole trading world had 1680 as resist (11:09 AM) ppusa: I don't get sell signals until much lower (11:09 AM) dave_b_quick: jimbo, only after 5m reversal up (11:09 AM) ppusa: on longer term charts (11:09 AM) Daniel X: Jimbo not if he's still in the short (11:09 AM) ppusa: just got a buy sig on 4 which means nothing (11:09 AM) jimbo_320: so a 2b has to be in first? (11:10 AM) dave_b_quick: ya, or other reversal pattern (11:10 AM) 4nq: 10yr hod (11:10 AM) dave_b_quick: bonds? (11:10 AM) 4nq: y (11:11 AM) Buffy_04364: back (11:11 AM) Daniel X: so that's it then no more faith in stocks (11:11 AM) ppusa: Back to watching, Sorry about all the typing. I hope I am not boring you all with these comments, but I get a lot of questions about PnF. (11:11 AM) 4nq: short nq (11:12 AM) Daniel X: no problem (11:12 AM) Buffy_04364: globex (11:12 AM) dave_b_quick: that's a 5m grail sale, 4nq? (11:13 AM) 4nq: i don't do grails............of any type! lol (11:13 AM) jimbo_320: if nq trades to 1667 retro loses all profits. How often does this happen at a guess, ie a 2b doesnt happen? (11:13 AM) dave_b_quick: don't have a lotta stats yet, jimbo (11:14 AM) jimbo_320: i have to wait for 1649 for next rero entry :-( (11:14 AM) jimbo_320: retro (11:14 AM) dave_b_quick: jimbo, a higher 5m low would be a 1-2-3 reversal (11:15 AM) jimbo_320: when all you guys are covering .. (11:15 AM) Daniel X: Jimbo ehay u do is put on double the amount of contracts and cut 1/2 when you feel a bottom is in ..that way Retro can still be in for a little more. (11:15 AM) Indycator: 4nq, what did you mean by 10 year HOD on bonds? (11:16 AM) dave_b_quick: ya, dan, i'm still thinking about some position sizing rules to make retro more profitable (11:16 AM) dave_b_quick: 15m inside bar Welcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders. Most of us follow methods taught at intelligentspeculator.com. We're here when "TRENDVUE TRADERS WKSHOP" is locked down for a paid session. You can post charts at www.DaCharts.com Spammers & hecklers get the boot. (11:17 AM) Indycator: 4nq....never mind....I get it now (11:17 AM) 4nq: Indy, that 10yr was at it's high of the day (11:17 AM) 4nq: too much basketball for u! (11:18 AM) Buffy_04364: posted 75T (11:18 AM) Indycator: no kidding.. (11:19 AM) 4nq: covering half of shorts (11:19 AM) Indycator: 4nq....u trading globex bonds (zb)? (11:20 AM) 4nq: no (11:20 AM) jimbo_320: when does the retro stop get moved to the swing high at 1161.5? Now? (11:20 AM) jimbo_320: 1661.5 (11:20 AM) Daniel X: yes (11:20 AM) 4nq: covering 3/5 (11:21 AM) Buffy_04364: I just lost my 2M chart and everything I do to get it back gets me an error message (11:21 AM) Buffy_04364: :-( (11:21 AM) 4nq: who is ur data feed,B?? (11:22 AM) dave_b_quick: never had that before, buffy, Ensign error message? (11:22 AM) cctraderx: think her feed is esignal (11:22 AM) Indycator: dave, I never had an error message until yesterday (11:23 AM) Indycator: howard had no clue what the message meant (11:23 AM) ppusa: Buffy, do you have other charts? (11:23 AM) dave_b_quick: windows error? (11:23 AM) Indycator: ensign error trying to run a script (11:23 AM) 4nq: i never had any connection problems until lawst 2 wks (11:24 AM) 4nq: too damn many on line (11:24 AM) 4nq: but we need the newbies! (11:24 AM) Indycator: said "access violation error in module ensign.exe" (11:24 AM) Buffy_04364: yes it is esignal (11:24 AM) dave_b_quick: could be higher low here, so retro tightens up stop off last 5m bar (11:24 AM) Indycator: 4nq, you want volume then? (11:24 AM) 4nq: stped on 2 runners (11:24 AM) Buffy_04364: right clicked without chart in focus to draw line (11:25 AM) 4nq: i always want vol (11:25 AM) Buffy_04364: not running any espl on it but that is the basics of the error message indy (11:26 AM) Buffy_04364: tagged bottom of the TL in the 75T posted (11:26 AM) dave_b_quick: did you have to reboot ensign, indy? (11:26 AM) coaster_9: Buffy did you try exit from EW and then re-enter (11:26 AM) Buffy_04364: coming up to EOS in pyra (11:26 AM) Buffy_04364: that is what I am going to have to do coaster to get it back (11:27 AM) Buffy_04364: just a big black chart now (11:27 AM) Buffy_04364: hate doing it though (11:27 AM) dave_b_quick: 5m inside bar (11:27 AM) Indycator: dave, I didn't...but would have if I wanted to run the scripts. Howard said to let him know if it happens again. Scripts running fine today (11:27 AM) ppusa: buffy can you pull up other charts? (11:28 AM) Buffy_04364: yep all other charts fine (11:28 AM) Buffy_04364: no bars MA nothing just black (11:28 AM) Buffy_04364: wasn't running espl (11:29 AM) Buffy_04364: on that chart (11:29 AM) Buffy_04364: tsting bottom TL now (11:29 AM) ppusa: might check default setting (11:29 AM) dave_b_quick: buffy, what if you delete the file for that chart so it rebuilds the 2m chart from scratch? Paltalk: Click banners to visit our sponsors. (11:29 AM) Buffy_04364: that is an idea (11:29 AM) Buffy_04364: in trade now though (11:30 AM) ppusa: i had ensign support email me several charts i lost. If the data is gone, they can do that. (11:30 AM) Daniel X: Retro short from 54.50 (11:30 AM) dave_b_quick: (2nd unit, 'cuz still short from 68 too) (11:31 AM) Buffy_04364: well, stopped out for -1 so lets do it now - although I hate to (11:32 AM) Buffy_04364: oh wow got the error message again when trying to close the layout save window (11:32 AM) Buffy_04364: this is laast nights version is anyone else running it? (11:32 AM) dave_b_quick: this could still be a higher low, dan (1-2-3) (11:33 AM) beanman_1: fyi, Teachtrades says both pits are getting empty, most trade is local to local, no real paper, hence choppy summer conditions.. (11:33 AM) Daniel X: i know watching (11:33 AM) Buffy_04364: drat!!!! my pyra chart got messed up (11:33 AM) Buffy_04364: liike the pyra is gone! (11:33 AM) Buffy_04364: chart still there (11:34 AM) dave_b_quick: no, buffy, i didn't notice there was a new version last night (11:34 AM) 4nq: beanman, do u subscribe to Louis' new pay service?? (11:34 AM) jimbo_320: using 68 retro trade, 2b exit will be at 57.5? (11:34 AM) beanman_1: no, still running the free trial... (11:34 AM) dave_b_quick: thanks, beanman, my free trial to teachtrade ran out (11:36 AM) dave_b_quick: yes, jimbo, but that would be a 1-2-3, not a 2B because no penetration of prior low Welcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders. Most of us follow methods taught at intelligentspeculator.com. We're here when "TRENDVUE TRADERS WKSHOP" is locked down for a paid session. You can post charts at www.DaCharts.com Spammers & hecklers get the boot. (11:36 AM) Daniel X: he's out 1-2-3 (11:36 AM) Daniel X: 55 (11:36 AM) ppusa: 5 down bars on 15 minute. (11:36 AM) Buffy_04364: does anyone have a timestamp for when I said time line coming up in pyra (11:36 AM) Buffy_04364: ? (11:37 AM) Buffy_04364: mine not on (11:37 AM) Daniel X: Dave? (11:37 AM) dave_b_quick: out of both (11:37 AM) Daniel X: thnx (11:38 AM) ispecjh_1: dave what is the URL for retro trader? (11:38 AM) dave_b_quick: www.dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart.com (11:38 AM) dave_b_quick: you'll see the link (11:38 AM) ispecjh_1: thanks (11:38 AM) jimbo_320: so why 55? (11:39 AM) dave_b_quick: 5m inside bar break to the upside indicated higher low was in (11:39 AM) 4nq: when i scroll up to look atpast posts window darts back to last post. Any way around this?? (11:39 AM) coaster_9: 12:25 you said "coming up to EOS ..." (11:39 AM) jimbo_320: break of inside bar on 5 min after 2B? (11:39 AM) coaster_9: That would b 11:25 Eastern time (11:40 AM) dave_b_quick: still could be a triangle and more pukage tho (11:40 AM) Indycator: 4nq, go to options and uncheck auto scroll (11:40 AM) 4nq: ty (11:40 AM) coaster_9: That doesn't work for me. Still jumps back (11:41 AM) Buffy_04364: gee never had it not work coaster (11:41 AM) Buffy_04364: weird (11:42 AM) Indycator: coaster.....once in a great while it doesn't work for me either....weird is a good word :) (11:42 AM) coaster_9: Buffy you mentioned TL at 11:28 Eastern (11:43 AM) Buffy_04364: Hi Mike (11:43 AM) jimbo_320: retro long from 59? (11:43 AM) Daniel X: Retro in long @ 59 (11:43 AM) Buffy_04364: thank you coaster!!!!!!!!! (11:43 AM) Daniel X: lol (11:43 AM) dave_b_quick: your volume is very low, mike (11:43 AM) ispec_Pete77: Hi Mike! (11:43 AM) leont_2_1: sound mike (11:43 AM) Daniel X: 62 another posibility (11:43 AM) dave_b_quick: Does everybody know Mike Bruns, from TrendVUE? (11:44 AM) dave_b_quick: aka mike_OKC (11:44 AM) Buffy_04364: He is one of the great teachers we talk about along with T (11:45 AM) Buffy_04364: no too with the TL right there (11:45 AM) Buffy_04364: you too (11:45 AM) Buffy_04364: thanks Mike (11:45 AM) ispecjh_1: bye mike (11:45 AM) Daniel X: thnx (11:45 AM) Ensign Software: Does anyone here have a pager service that responds to an e-mail sent to the pager in some way? (11:45 AM) Buffy_04364: Hi Howard (11:45 AM) dave_b_quick: no, i don't get e-mail on my cellphone anymore since I quit my job (11:46 AM) cctraderx: y howard (11:46 AM) Daniel X: like a RIMM pager..blackberry? (11:46 AM) ispe_bc: My sound was off. What did Mike just say? (11:46 AM) cctraderx: rimm or motorola (11:46 AM) Ensign Software: hi, looking for someone with a pager which responds to e-mail. (11:46 AM) Daniel X: long (11:46 AM) Daniel X: no soory (11:46 AM) leont_2_1: sound test dave? (11:46 AM) cctraderx: rimm pager or motorola howard (11:46 AM) Buffy_04364: prime buying zone on the 15M NQ and I forget what ES had to do before hewould be interested (11:46 AM) Daniel X: whoaa (11:47 AM) ispe_bc: Thanks Buffy (11:47 AM) Ensign Software: I am ignorant about the pagers, and am looking for an education because (11:47 AM) qatwo: 1196 (11:47 AM) cctraderx: es needed to clear 1196 he said (11:47 AM) cctraderx: what would you like to know? (11:47 AM) Ensign Software: the Aug 14th version has been uploaded that has the ability to send an e-mail using ESPL and wanted someone to test an e-mail to a pager for me. (11:48 AM) leont_2_1: sound anyone (11:48 AM) dave_b_quick: howard, it's just an e-mail address like any other (11:48 AM) ppusa: Howard, maybe you could try calling a pager provider. (11:48 AM) 4nq: i keep a back up service with a 1min 200sma for nq........amazing how often mkt respects the 200on a 1min, Check it out today (11:48 AM) cctraderx: howard, some pagers will only accept so many characters due to the character charge (11:48 AM) Daniel X: can also be a number (11:49 AM) ppusa: 4nq i watch that too (11:49 AM) dave_b_quick: Used to get my mobil e-mail thru Sprint PCS (11:49 AM) ppusa: sometimes nq goes balistic when it crosses. (11:49 AM) cctraderx: if you want to send me an email, it's 2276634@archwireless.net (11:49 AM) cctraderx: that's my pager (11:50 AM) Ensign Software: thx, will send a test e-mail. now on the pager is the message in the subject line, or in the body of the e-mail or both? (11:50 AM) Buffy_04364: I have the 200 on all my charts 4nq (11:50 AM) 4nq: me too ,B (11:50 AM) cctraderx: it will have both subj and body (11:50 AM) 4nq: but keep it quiet!!!! (11:51 AM) Ensign Software: ok. will send a test e-mail in 1 minute. thx (11:52 AM) Buffy_04364: now with all the problems can I get back into the zone?????? (11:52 AM) Buffy_04364: tested the 200 twice on teh 2M (11:52 AM) Daniel X: no wait ur going to get a phone call! (11:52 AM) Daniel X: lol (11:52 AM) Buffy_04364: hitting its head on it now on the 200 on the 75T (11:53 AM) Buffy_04364: LOL (11:53 AM) Buffy_04364: we have Mikes divergence on the macd on teh 225T (11:53 AM) ppusa: hey Dan? (11:53 AM) Buffy_04364: conflicting signals - not doing a thing (11:53 AM) Daniel X: yah wassup (11:53 AM) Buffy_04364: going to walk around (11:54 AM) 4nq: here's another i loook at and feel it needs some tweaking: a 55t with 13 bar h and low for a channel plus 200 h and l. Any suggestions?? (11:54 AM) ppusa: yesterday - gotta see it. Address? (11:54 AM) Daniel X: the Ferrari thing (11:54 AM) ppusa: y (11:54 AM) Daniel X: ur email (11:54 AM) dave_b_quick: 4nq, that's for when you're in scalping mode? (11:55 AM) ppusa: ppusa1@hotmail.com (11:55 AM) 4nq: i am ALWAYS in scalping mode!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (11:55 AM) dave_b_quick: i wondered about that... (11:55 AM) 4nq: except for bonds and beans. lol (11:55 AM) dave_b_quick: those are position trades? (11:55 AM) Daniel X: sent..but i warn you! (11:56 AM) ppusa: ok (11:58 AM) ppusa: did not recieve (11:58 AM) Daniel X: give it 5 min..no? (11:58 AM) ppusa: receive (11:58 AM) ppusa: which is it i before e or? (11:59 AM) dave_b_quick: except after c (11:59 AM) Indycator: 4nq, thanks for the tip on using 200sma on 1m.....looks darn good on the chart! (11:59 AM) ppusa: received Paltalk: Love PalTalk but hate the banners and popups? Go bannerless! Only $9.95 per year! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. (12:00 PM) Buffy_04364: indy the red line is the 200 on all the charts I post so you can go back and look also if you want (12:00 PM) Buffy_04364: it works well (12:00 PM) Daniel X: PPUSA sent again (12:01 PM) Buffy_04364: time line coming up plus bottom of channel in pyra (12:01 PM) Daniel X: should be 7 pics (12:01 PM) Buffy_04364: posted (12:01 PM) Daniel X: PPUSA how many pics? (12:02 PM) dave_b_quick: ppusa might have had to puke after seeing those (12:02 PM) Daniel X: must have (12:02 PM) ppusa: hang on, I'm throwing up (12:02 PM) Buffy_04364: MA float pretty much in 5 and 12 (12:02 PM) Daniel X: how many pics? (12:02 PM) Indycator: thanks buffy....always learning new things here (12:02 PM) ppusa: 8 (12:03 PM) Daniel X: ok (12:03 PM) Buffy_04364: that is hopefully what happens everyday in here (12:03 PM) Indycator: ppusa, you keep a bucket next to your puter when you pukin'? (12:03 PM) Buffy_04364: part of what makes this room so great! (12:03 PM) Daniel X: lo Buffy (12:03 PM) Buffy_04364: along with the "back watching" (12:03 PM) Orprepus: back - see nothing has changed (12:03 PM) 4nq: ?? (12:04 PM) ppusa: Will Indy (12:04 PM) Daniel X: ORP post the Bear wrestling link (12:04 PM) Buffy_04364: no and don't think it will for a bit more (12:04 PM) Orprepus: sure dan (12:05 PM) Buffy_04364: now if this is a higher low on 2M............. (12:05 PM) dave_b_quick: 40 eyes are better than 2 (12:05 PM) elly_34: howard are u here? (12:05 PM) Buffy_04364: always Dve (12:05 PM) Buffy_04364: Dve=Dave (12:05 PM) 4nq: 54 bid (12:06 PM) 4nq: gotta go............is there any "away" icon in here? (12:06 PM) Buffy_04364: nope don't think so (12:06 PM) Orprepus: here is dan http://formenmedia.ign.com/media/news/image/hardcore/bearboxing.mpg (12:07 PM) 4nq: paltalk needes some work (12:07 PM) Daniel X: thnx (12:07 PM) Orprepus: paltalk needs a speel checker (12:07 PM) 4nq: speel? (12:07 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL (12:07 PM) Orprepus: speel = spell (12:07 PM) 4nq: lol (12:08 PM) Orprepus: LOL (12:08 PM) Buffy_04364: boy have we gotten slow now (12:08 PM) 4nq: spelling doesn't cuont on-line (12:08 PM) cctraderx: lol (12:08 PM) 4nq: ty Mr. Nas for the 1654 (12:09 PM) Ensign Software: cctraderx, I have been trying to send e-mail to the address you provided, and my tool cannot connect. Works fine using my own addresses, but having trouble with your address. Still working to figure it out. (12:09 PM) 4nq: flat (12:10 PM) cctraderx: ok howard- it's 2276634@archwireless.net (12:10 PM) 4nq: love how electronic so often fill you at the bid......or the offer if selling. Rarely get that in ND pit! (12:11 PM) Orprepus: triangle thingy on 3M (12:11 PM) Orprepus: kind of a (12:12 PM) dave_b_quick: ya, maybe the pit days are numbered (12:12 PM) Indycator: yeah, you would never get filled at 54 in the pit (12:12 PM) sp-leo: they will have to learn to trade (12:12 PM) cctraderx: Howard, just got a test email from self to pager (12:12 PM) jimbo_320: bear flag on 15? (12:13 PM) dave_b_quick: ya, i was wondering too, clearer on 27 (12:13 PM) sp-leo: been scalped over 500 per contract in sp pit before the split (12:14 PM) jimbo_320: or bottom? soon find out another of those triangle thingys (12:14 PM) Orprepus: breaks out of the triangle thingy on the 3m (12:14 PM) Orprepus: see the bear flag jimbo (12:14 PM) ppusa: double retest of low and holding (12:16 PM) jimbo_320: 1660 res (12:16 PM) Buffy_04364: just posted 75T and that is why I am sitting on my hands for now (12:17 PM) ppusa: Even if we go lower, think we should get a retest bar on an hour chartt. (12:17 PM) Buffy_04364: one should think so but........... (12:17 PM) Buffy_04364: 75T in the apex (12:18 PM) dave_b_quick: inside bars on 45m, 27m (12:18 PM) Buffy_04364: tks (12:19 PM) Ensign Software: cctraderx, you have not gotten any e-mail test from me have you?? I don't think you have because I am getting an error trying to connect to the address you provided. My subject simply says Subject Line, etc. Thanks for your willingness to do this test with me. (12:19 PM) cctraderx: no I havent (12:19 PM) ppusa: 5 has turned up, 15 bumping 9 bar ma (12:19 PM) cctraderx: welcome Howard (12:20 PM) Buffy_04364: but MA still pretty flat on the 2 5 and 12 (12:20 PM) Buffy_04364: what MAs you using ppusa (12:20 PM) Buffy_04364: other than the 9 (12:21 PM) ppusa: 3,9,18,23,50,200 (12:21 PM) Buffy_04364: action like this is when you can give it all back.........IMO (12:21 PM) Buffy_04364: tks (12:21 PM) ppusa: The bias today is up. (12:21 PM) Buffy_04364: why 23 (12:21 PM) Buffy_04364: that is an odd one (12:21 PM) dave_b_quick: ya, i think i'll wait 'til we get outa the 5m chanel (12:22 PM) ppusa: If NQ sells off, probably be later. (12:22 PM) Buffy_04364: might be a good idea Dave (12:22 PM) Buffy_04364: but you never know (12:23 PM) Buffy_04364: we made a higher low on the 2m and 5m and 12 also (12:23 PM) Buffy_04364: have my poke bar on the 75T (12:23 PM) ppusa: buffy, no particular reason. Think I saw it years ago. (12:23 PM) Buffy_04364: oh ok (12:24 PM) ppusa: Don't forget we have a higher high today and higher low, so why should the market sell off early. (12:25 PM) Buffy_04364: and we have this great big consolidation wedge where they are arguing about what is next LOL (12:26 PM) ppusa: There is a lot of bearish sentiment in this room, but we could go to 1400 from 1800. (12:26 PM) Buffy_04364: hitting that 200ma agine on the 75T (12:26 PM) Buffy_04364: I try not to be one way or the other and just play the chart (12:27 PM) Buffy_04364: never took out the poke bar (12:27 PM) ppusa: Buffy that;s good, but I try to keep the daily range in mind which is why I didn't like the buy this morning before we took out the 62.5 (12:28 PM) ppusa: We could go to new highs today. (12:28 PM) Buffy_04364: I see so many ways to look at things (12:29 PM) ppusa: hey Pete, stop that! (12:29 PM) Buffy_04364: trying to take it out again (12:29 PM) Buffy_04364: ahh, it isn't just my machine???? (12:29 PM) timing 2: buffy i see u scare evry 1 out of long lol (12:29 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL Paltalk: Please support our sponsors by clicking on banners. (12:29 PM) ppusa: the 9 bar on the 15 minute slowed the up for awhile but we are turning. (12:29 PM) PETE P: oops sorry...trying my mike as im getting probs (12:30 PM) Buffy_04364: not my purpose here - please don't let me do that to anyone (12:30 PM) Buffy_04364: just typing what I am thinking today (12:30 PM) sp-leo: I checked all my open programs to see who was knocking (12:30 PM) sp-leo: I'll have to remember that when things get boring (12:30 PM) ppusa: Buffy, at least you are. (12:30 PM) Buffy_04364: just posted new 75T (12:31 PM) Buffy_04364: maybe I should ask if it is helping anyone or they wish I would shut up :-) (12:31 PM) rs_5: talk all you like Buffy, helps to hear what you see (12:32 PM) ppusa: Hopefully gets others thinking too. (12:32 PM) Buffy_04364: look at how tight that 75T is against the 200 same for 1M and 225T (12:32 PM) ppusa: But just in case, go ahead and ask! (12:32 PM) dave_b_quick: like those 75t charts, buffy (12:32 PM) Buffy_04364: I did giggle (12:32 PM) Buffy_04364: I do too Dave when the day is right for them (12:33 PM) dave_b_quick: those 75t TL (12:33 PM) dave_b_quick: those 75t TL's reall nail the turning points (12:33 PM) dave_b_quick: really (12:34 PM) Buffy_04364: I just had a diabolical thought - what if this is a huge bear consolidation zone? (12:34 PM) Buffy_04364: if it is - sideways makes it stronger than doing a pullback up (12:34 PM) Buffy_04364: I think (12:34 PM) rs_5: why is that Buffy? (12:35 PM) Buffy_04364: gee, I am thinking on that one (12:35 PM) Buffy_04364: see if I can remember rs (12:35 PM) timing 2: buffy u right target on spoos 1000 (12:36 PM) Buffy_04364: because sideways makes a strong "coil" to resume the trend (12:36 PM) Buffy_04364: none of the "pressure" is relieved with a bounce (12:37 PM) ppusa: As a reminder, if we crack the lows, i get sell signals across the board and the market should get hammered. (12:37 PM) rs_5: thank you Buffy (12:37 PM) Buffy_04364: tks ppusa (12:37 PM) ppusa: and i agree with you buffy but (12:37 PM) Buffy_04364: I checked with Howard last night and the order for my pyra book did go in before he left last week (12:38 PM) ppusa: the doorbell is ringing (12:38 PM) Buffy_04364: go ahead ppusa (12:38 PM) Buffy_04364: it is just a diabolical thought and nothing I am going to assume (12:38 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL ok (12:39 PM) Buffy_04364: so really doesn't matter which way this goes it should go IMHO (12:40 PM) dave_b_quick: looks like a triangle inside a triangle inside a chanel inside a bear flag on the NQ5m (12:40 PM) ppusa: I've seen those consolidation patterns. Maybe tomorrow's high could be near today's just taking out the pattern and then dddooowwwnn. (12:40 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL you are right Dave you can draw almost anything in there! (12:40 PM) dave_b_quick: i guess that means wait a while (12:40 PM) Buffy_04364: this last channel is really winding it up (12:41 PM) Buffy_04364: that is what I have been doing for a while :-( (12:41 PM) Buffy_04364: should be close to something though (12:41 PM) Buffy_04364: or we could stay in this rest of day I guess :-( (12:41 PM) Buffy_04364: 3pt divergence on Mike's macd on 225T now (12:42 PM) cctraderx: watching the paint dry here and it's raining, hehehe (12:42 PM) Daniel X: TECHNICAL ANALYLIST from AG Edwards, Al Goldman says sideways through autumn (12:42 PM) Daniel X: repeat of yesterday? (12:43 PM) Buffy_04364: were they nice enough to give the range? (12:43 PM) dave_b_quick: Wow, i might really have to do some of those chores my wife has been n.. asking me about (12:43 PM) dave_b_quick: 5m chanel poke (12:44 PM) Buffy_04364: yep and long on smaller TF (12:45 PM) Daniel X: just 45 mins earlier than yesterday (12:45 PM) dave_b_quick: after all this, otta be a fakeout first (12:45 PM) Buffy_04364: yep usually comes back and tests (12:45 PM) Buffy_04364: stops tight (12:45 PM) Buffy_04364: for that reason (12:45 PM) ppusa: didn't yesterday (12:46 PM) ppusa: should today (12:46 PM) Buffy_04364: got 2.5 out of it and looking for reentry (12:46 PM) ppusa: Yesterday we didn't have the high in (12:46 PM) Daniel X: i've got 5 and 9 min buy signals (12:47 PM) Orprepus: just got that email from netfutures - couldn't believe it - will open an account (12:47 PM) Buffy_04364: will follow pullback back with BS above previous bar (12:47 PM) amfw: 1st Timer.....should I be hearing discussion as well as reading text? (12:47 PM) Buffy_04364: no we usually type (12:47 PM) cctraderx: mostly text in here (12:47 PM) Buffy_04364: so people can come back and read and we can save it at end of day (12:47 PM) amfw: Thanks. (12:47 PM) Buffy_04364: you welcome (12:47 PM) Buffy_04364: welcome to the room also (12:48 PM) amfw: Looking forward to Pyrapoint discussion later this week. (12:48 PM) Buffy_04364: we all are (12:48 PM) Buffy_04364: I am waiting for my book on it (12:49 PM) Buffy_04364: but have been watching it for quite a while (12:49 PM) ppusa: buffy, what tf did you use to go long? (12:49 PM) Buffy_04364: beanman has been to seminars by Don and is going to be there (12:49 PM) amfw: Rec'd mine, though not through all of it yet. (12:49 PM) Buffy_04364: flat now (12:49 PM) ppusa: for last trade (12:49 PM) Buffy_04364: we long on take out of high of consolidation range on 2m (12:50 PM) Buffy_04364: 1661 (12:50 PM) ppusa: k (12:50 PM) Buffy_04364: long again also (12:51 PM) 4nq: short nq (12:51 PM) ppusa: 15 min just hit 200 bar ma (12:51 PM) Buffy_04364: out due to order entry error of stop (12:51 PM) Buffy_04364: got entered at market instead of stop :-( (12:51 PM) Buffy_04364: yep I still do those stupid things!!!! (12:52 PM) cctraderx: :-( (12:52 PM) dave_b_quick: i hate it when i do that (12:52 PM) Buffy_04364: ditto Dave (12:52 PM) Buffy_04364: luck though only cost me .5 (12:52 PM) ppusa: This is the retest bar i was looking for on the hour chart (12:53 PM) Buffy_04364: 1525 bar from yesterday too (12:53 PM) jimbo_320: dojis galore on es 3 (12:53 PM) ppusa: we should pull back 6 ticks and then flip a coin (12:53 PM) 4nq: 63 bid for half (12:54 PM) dave_b_quick: half is 5 contracts? (12:54 PM) ppusa: what is a doji? (12:54 PM) dave_b_quick: a bar with same open and close (12:54 PM) ppusa: candlestick (12:54 PM) ppusa: ? (12:54 PM) Buffy_04364: it is created when open a close are real close so looks horizontal (12:54 PM) Buffy_04364: yes a candlestick (12:55 PM) ppusa: got it (12:55 PM) ppusa: remember from years ago reading about candles (12:55 PM) Buffy_04364: if they have long tails they can also be called spinning tops (12:55 PM) ppusa: i thought dow jones industrial misspelled (12:55 PM) dave_b_quick: or long legged doji (12:55 PM) dave_b_quick: lol (12:55 PM) Buffy_04364: yep lots of different names for some of them (12:56 PM) Indycator: that would be a dowji (12:56 PM) dave_b_quick: good one (12:56 PM) ppusa: 67-6=61. hit 62 so far (12:56 PM) 4nq: covering (12:56 PM) 4nq: flat (12:56 PM) ppusa: Who's your daddy? (12:56 PM) Buffy_04364: this is not acting right (12:56 PM) ppusa: 116 bid at 61 (12:57 PM) Daniel X: lol (12:57 PM) 4nq: pp, u r short? (12:57 PM) ppusa: PnFPnFPnFPnFPnFPnFPnFPnFPnFPnFPnFPnFPnFPnFPnF (12:57 PM) 4nq: lol (12:58 PM) ppusa: Yes, only 5'7" (12:58 PM) 4nq: that's 2 beauties today (12:58 PM) 4nq: congrats (12:58 PM) 4nq: but did u sell?? (12:58 PM) ppusa: Oh......... (12:58 PM) ppusa: no (12:59 PM) ppusa: I passed (12:59 PM) ppusa: had a friend just leave and didn't have my head back in it. Paltalk: Press the INVITE button NOW! Get your friends in on the fun! Invite them to join us on PalTalk today! (01:00 PM) dave_b_quick: ya, friends are expensive (01:00 PM) ppusa: Plus, looking for 6 ticks isn't a very disciplined trade. (01:00 PM) jimbo_320: es on bott of trendline (01:01 PM) Buffy_04364: so aren't phone calls LOL (01:02 PM) Buffy_04364: short on this one (01:02 PM) ppusa: Buffy, when I feel a market doesn't "act right", it's usually because I am thiknking against the market. (01:03 PM) jimbo_320: es clunk (01:03 PM) ppusa: Let it ride (01:03 PM) Buffy_04364: tks for the tip and u are most probably right (01:03 PM) ppusa: But? (01:04 PM) Buffy_04364: but nothing ppusa (01:04 PM) Buffy_04364: just have to think about the idea (01:04 PM) ppusa: pretty fast drop (01:04 PM) ppusa: but (01:04 PM) ppusa: no sell signals on PnF, just retracement. (01:05 PM) Buffy_04364: ok but what (01:05 PM) Buffy_04364: tks (01:05 PM) Daniel X: Buffy 1 of the #s form that tech from AG was Nasdaq break down of 1970 (01:05 PM) Buffy_04364: tks daniel (01:05 PM) ppusa: You do what you do best and trade your own way (01:05 PM) Buffy_04364: sto is tight (01:05 PM) Buffy_04364: because at 200ma on 2M (01:07 PM) ppusa: new 5 minute bar (01:07 PM) ppusa: high is here, so far low on open (01:07 PM) Buffy_04364: treating this as a pullback 4-6 bars (01:08 PM) ppusa: there goes low (01:08 PM) ppusa: what tf? (01:08 PM) Daniel X: Buffy sorry that # was 1950!! (01:08 PM) Buffy_04364: 60T (01:08 PM) dave_b_quick: i sold the NQ 27m inside bar (01:08 PM) Buffy_04364: I thought something was wrong with that (01:09 PM) Daniel X: me too! (01:09 PM) Buffy_04364: tks daniel was still thinking about it (01:09 PM) dave_b_quick: like traders think alike (01:09 PM) ppusa: sounds like good strategy...Go Buffy Go (01:09 PM) Buffy_04364: hope this isn't another consolidation zone (01:10 PM) ppusa: I will live this trade thru you and NQ4 (01:10 PM) dave_b_quick: this market is like a car without a driver (01:10 PM) ppusa: get sell signals a few ticks lower (01:10 PM) Buffy_04364: stop at 57 (01:10 PM) Buffy_04364: just in case it is (01:11 PM) Buffy_04364: hate having that 200 right there (01:11 PM) Buffy_04364: but if it goes through it should see 1647 area (01:11 PM) Buffy_04364: out (01:11 PM) Buffy_04364: will wait now for resolving of this (01:12 PM) Buffy_04364: lost 1.5 (01:12 PM) ppusa: i wouldn't want to see a break above high of last 5 min bar. (01:12 PM) Buffy_04364: nope wouldn't be a good thing but don't like the inside bar that is forming either (01:13 PM) ppusa: what tf? (01:13 PM) Buffy_04364: would not of had such a tight stop if clearer trade (01:13 PM) Indycator: dave, short from 56.5 on 27M? (01:13 PM) Buffy_04364: 5M (01:13 PM) Daniel X: going into sept oct Dow look for penetration thru 10000 (01:15 PM) Buffy_04364: short again off consolidation (01:15 PM) Buffy_04364: with tight stop (01:16 PM) Buffy_04364: s = 54.50 (01:17 PM) Buffy_04364: 53 (01:18 PM) Buffy_04364: out (01:18 PM) dave_b_quick: you scalper you (01:18 PM) Buffy_04364: should test 200 from the backside now (01:18 PM) Daniel X: triple bottom on PnF@ 51 (01:18 PM) Daniel X: almost printed (01:18 PM) Buffy_04364: that is why stops so tight daniel (01:18 PM) Daniel X: kewl (01:18 PM) Buffy_04364: can always reenter (01:19 PM) Buffy_04364: sell stop in (01:21 PM) dave_b_quick: SL BE 1656.50 (01:22 PM) Buffy_04364: filled at 5150 (01:22 PM) Buffy_04364: but....... (01:23 PM) Daniel X: gotta stay below 55 (01:24 PM) Buffy_04364: yes it does at stop at 55.50 (01:24 PM) Buffy_04364: not giving it room (01:24 PM) Buffy_04364: out for -4 (01:24 PM) Buffy_04364: knew I didn't like it (01:25 PM) Daniel X: put mine a little lower @ 50 (01:25 PM) Daniel X: Retro next entyr @61.50 (01:26 PM) dsd_1: iihoi,jkjl/iou (01:26 PM) Daniel X: 5 min EMAs flat as a ........ (01:26 PM) dave_b_quick: you speak japanese, dsd? (01:27 PM) Daniel X: i do (01:27 PM) dsd_1: y (01:27 PM) dsd_1: dfaztfdterfgkhkl ; (01:27 PM) Daniel X: ugly in Japanese is (01:27 PM) Indycator: dsd_1.....I agree (01:27 PM) Daniel X: yophoto (01:27 PM) dave_b_quick: LOL (01:27 PM) dsd_1: ok (01:27 PM) dsd_1: don't cry (01:28 PM) Indycator: otay chickapay (01:28 PM) Buffy_04364: well, wimper maybe - market has gone illogical now (01:28 PM) Buffy_04364: wonder what is going on (01:28 PM) dave_b_quick: now that we're all stopped out maybe some real klunkage (01:28 PM) ppusa: buffy look at BB on 30 tick (01:28 PM) cctraderx: when has the market ever been logical (01:29 PM) Buffy_04364: well you must admit the TL on 75T have been nice today (01:29 PM) Buffy_04364: it has its moments :-) Paltalk: You DO have a choice! Buy bannerless to end your popup blues today! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. Only $9.95 a year! That's less than THREE CENTS per day! WOW!!! (01:30 PM) Indycator: dave....did you use your hammer on dsd or did he leave on his on accord? (01:30 PM) dave_b_quick: i didn't boot (01:30 PM) Buffy_04364: posted 75T (01:30 PM) Buffy_04364: no reason to (01:31 PM) Buffy_04364: BTW dave most common reason I give when I do is "disruptive" (01:31 PM) dave_b_quick: me 2 (01:31 PM) ppusa: Buffy (01:31 PM) Buffy_04364: yes (01:32 PM) Buffy_04364: oh the bb (01:32 PM) Buffy_04364: I use 13-2 for my BB (01:32 PM) ppusa: i think it was Orp who got me looking at BBs. Your sells were near bb bottoms. Sometimes, wait for bounces (01:32 PM) Daniel X: PnF triple bottom break printed (01:33 PM) Buffy_04364: tks daniel (01:33 PM) Buffy_04364: you are right ppusa should watch that more (01:33 PM) Indycator: 27M trader looking good (01:33 PM) Daniel X: filled @ 50 (01:33 PM) ppusa: Who is short besides Orp? (01:33 PM) Buffy_04364: didn't put back on after reboot (01:33 PM) Buffy_04364: me (01:34 PM) Buffy_04364: was filled at 50.50 (01:34 PM) sp-leo: short 9475 (01:34 PM) dave_b_quick: this 27m trader sorry he moved stop to BE (01:34 PM) sp-leo: add 9125 (01:35 PM) beanman_1: When you all get a chance, you should check out www.wnf.com/com They graphically chart the COT report... and the commercials, who are always right are still net short both the SPos and the Naz... (01:36 PM) dave_b_quick: thanks, beanman (01:36 PM) Indycator: dave! sorry to hear....was a nice inside bar trade (01:36 PM) Buffy_04364: yes will look at it (01:36 PM) Indycator: beanman...thanks....COT always good to know (01:36 PM) Buffy_04364: stop at 47 (01:37 PM) sp-leo: thanks beanman (01:37 PM) ppusa: good place, high of 5 min bar (01:37 PM) 4nq: 1640 a key (01:37 PM) Buffy_04364: 46now (01:37 PM) Indycator: maybe I will start trading tin and I can go by 'tinman' (01:37 PM) larrybf: is the current pattern considered a triple bottom on the 5 minute chart? (01:37 PM) ppusa: Overextended on shorter term PnF's. (01:38 PM) Buffy_04364: 44 (01:38 PM) boomer_95: beanman....that address again? (01:38 PM) 4nq: no larry (01:38 PM) ppusa: 15 minute hit 200 sma (01:38 PM) Buffy_04364: that why stops tight and just got filled (01:39 PM) beanman_1: www.wnf.com/com look for the proxy trader.. they actually have a system that uses the COT as a signal.. for QQQ's , Rydex, etc.. (01:39 PM) amfw: Beanman, could you repeat that website, as www.wnf.com/com wouldn't work for me. Thanks. (01:39 PM) larrybf: how or where do i go to find definition of a triple botom 4 NQ? (01:39 PM) boomer_95: me either... (01:39 PM) Buffy_04364: that was on thier PnF charts I believe larry (01:40 PM) larrybf: ok thanks (01:40 PM) Buffy_04364: it is what you would expect a test of a low 3 times (01:40 PM) beanman_1: sorry. www.wwfn.com/proxyweb (01:41 PM) beanman_1: http://www.wwfn.com/proxyweb/ (01:41 PM) Buffy_04364: any reason why not to treat this as a bear flag guys? (01:41 PM) 4nq: the 1640 supp holding SO FAR (01:42 PM) Roger Schelling: NQ is at the 45 m 20EMA and that old support T mentioned this AM (01:42 PM) Buffy_04364: posted it (01:42 PM) Buffy_04364: true roger it is (01:42 PM) Roger Schelling: chop time again for a while ? (01:43 PM) 4nq: mkt chop 70% of the time (01:43 PM) Roger Schelling: all the friggin time :) (01:44 PM) Buffy_04364: would love to see it tag the 50 ma first (01:45 PM) dave_b_quick: did anybody understand that last? (01:45 PM) Buffy_04364: no I didn't (01:45 PM) Buffy_04364: posted 60T chart (01:45 PM) qatwo: nope (01:45 PM) ppusa: Still holding yesterday's low. Day traders, don't be going to bearish on me. (01:45 PM) QSuzy: Hi everyone.....Buffy, any reason why I can see the jpg charts at dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart but not your gif charts?? (01:46 PM) ppusa: hit major support on ma's on many charts (01:46 PM) dave_b_quick: i can see all buffy charts, anybody else have problem? (01:46 PM) ppusa: ie, 15, 30, 60 (01:46 PM) Buffy_04364: also just did a 75T (01:47 PM) QSuzy: I'll try IE.....sometimes the charts don't come thru in Netscape.... (01:47 PM) cctraderx: no probs (01:47 PM) Buffy_04364: let us know Suzy (01:48 PM) Buffy_04364: I like those last two charts (01:48 PM) Buffy_04364: I have been good today and remembered to change the title :-) (01:49 PM) QSuzy: Okay, charts coming in fine in IE.....not sure why couldn't see them in Netscape but had the same problem with cj's charts some time back.... (01:49 PM) jimbo_320: how'd retro do over lunch? (01:50 PM) Buffy_04364: Raz I know I asked you once but didn't get the answer - what are your color bands? (01:51 PM) Buffy_04364: lots of nice charts posted today (01:51 PM) Buffy_04364: Howard even added some (01:51 PM) dave_b_quick: retro shoulda sold 1659.50, but i missed it and sold off the 27m (01:51 PM) QSuzy: Sure glad I found you guys!.....Been gone for a month or more and didn't know where everyone was hanging out....I need to update lots of charts.... (01:51 PM) Buffy_04364: you were right Roger sideways!!!!!!!! (01:52 PM) dave_b_quick: how did you find us suzy? (01:52 PM) Indycator: Qsuzy...glad you found us...we try to stay anonymous so no one bothers us (01:53 PM) Buffy_04364: this room has really been great all along I think (01:53 PM) jimbo_320: seems to be a day of the grail sellers, not much conviction (01:53 PM) QSuzy: dave.....an email or newsletter from Howard (ensign) mentioned this room....good to be back in good company! (01:53 PM) Buffy_04364: yes it grew quickly when Howard did that :-) (01:53 PM) dave_b_quick: glad you found us. hope you had a nice vacation (01:53 PM) Buffy_04364: glad to have you back! (01:55 PM) QSuzy: Thanks.....We went on an Alaskan cruise.....my favorite thing while away was checking the newspaper digest for temperatures in Texas! (01:57 PM) dave_b_quick: well the market waited for you, now things will start to happen (01:59 PM) ppusa: there was your 1-2-3 to the low (01:59 PM) dave_b_quick: yup (01:59 PM) ppusa: gosh it's fun to hind sight this stuff Paltalk: To visit our sponsors, click on banners! (02:00 PM) ppusa: I have been right all day long (02:02 PM) cctraderx: what's next ppusa (02:03 PM) Buffy_04364: up right? (02:03 PM) ppusa: hang on, I will tell you after it happens. I think I feel good about this one (02:03 PM) cctraderx: i hope so (02:03 PM) cctraderx: up that is (02:03 PM) cctraderx: lol (02:04 PM) cctraderx: dow is green again (02:04 PM) ppusa: 15 point PnF and hour chart says highof hour gotta go (02:05 PM) beanman_1: fyi, just posted a 4min chart of ES with textbook setting for Don Hall's book that shows a tradable bounce confirmed in pyra and indicators (02:05 PM) ppusa: see, I was right again. (02:05 PM) cctraderx: which chart beanman (02:06 PM) beanman_1: refresh .. then look for beanman (02:06 PM) cctraderx: I see it (02:06 PM) Buffy_04364: not all came through beanman (02:06 PM) cctraderx: it didnt all come out (02:07 PM) jimbo_320: es tl top 1194 (02:08 PM) sp-leo: short @ 9250 (02:08 PM) cctraderx: da train is due in 15 (02:09 PM) Daniel X: boss de train (02:09 PM) Daniel X: 12 min (02:09 PM) Daniel X: better check ur clock (02:09 PM) cctraderx: ok (02:10 PM) Daniel X: unless ue entering on trades 3 mins late (02:10 PM) Daniel X: lol (02:11 PM) ppusa: how about I don't trade anymore and I just make calls. (02:11 PM) sp-leo: it can tank now (02:11 PM) Daniel X: RETRO PP (02:11 PM) ppusa: guess not (02:11 PM) sp-leo: out @ 92 (02:11 PM) cctraderx: lol (02:11 PM) ppusa: not much enthusiasm for that (02:12 PM) Buffy_04364: lower high (02:12 PM) Daniel X: 1 min looking horrible (02:12 PM) Daniel X: // (02:12 PM) Daniel X: \\ (02:12 PM) Daniel X: // (02:12 PM) Daniel X: \\ (02:12 PM) Daniel X: // (02:12 PM) Daniel X: \\ (02:12 PM) ppusa: Oww, come on!!! Where's your support (02:12 PM) ppusa: buffy (02:12 PM) ppusa: Dan (02:12 PM) ppusa: ave (02:12 PM) Daniel X: yes RETRO PP (02:12 PM) ppusa: I feel like beetlejuice (02:13 PM) ppusa: come on guys (02:13 PM) 4nq: the 200 is holding resist@55level (02:13 PM) Buffy_04364: yep it is (02:13 PM) Buffy_04364: but last low on 1M wasn't lower (02:13 PM) 4nq: lotsa $$$$ in that today (02:14 PM) Buffy_04364: 75T sitting right on ma (02:14 PM) Daniel X: Dave u in @ 52.50? (02:14 PM) ppusa: I'm gonna go play with my dog. (02:14 PM) 4nq: still only a 39 point day range (02:14 PM) Daniel X: or should i say Retro (02:14 PM) 4nq: what kind of dog? (02:14 PM) Buffy_04364: postd 75T (02:14 PM) ppusa: one that talks back. (02:15 PM) Daniel X: ha lol (02:15 PM) 4nq: parrot dog? (02:15 PM) Indycator: lol (02:15 PM) ppusa: rollol (02:15 PM) ppusa: rof;p; (02:15 PM) 4nq: short nq (02:15 PM) ppusa: whatever (02:15 PM) ppusa: roflol (02:16 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL that was cute (02:16 PM) Indycator: polly wanna fetch? (02:16 PM) 4nq: cover 5/10 (02:17 PM) Daniel X: doggy wanna crack at her? (02:17 PM) ppusa: bow wow, bow wow (02:18 PM) Daniel X: sell stop 46 (02:18 PM) 4nq: buy @46 (02:18 PM) 4nq: lol (02:18 PM) Daniel X: lol (02:18 PM) 4nq: save comiss (02:18 PM) Daniel X: i ssell u mine!! (02:19 PM) 4nq: 53 b/e stp (02:19 PM) jimbo_320: anyone long? (02:19 PM) Daniel X: 2 mins .....the train (02:19 PM) jimbo_320: long the train? (02:20 PM) Buffy_04364: not here (02:20 PM) larrybf: what does LOL mean??? (02:20 PM) Buffy_04364: Laugh out loud (02:20 PM) 4nq: indy, i said at 55 (02:20 PM) 4nq: scroll up (02:20 PM) Daniel X: roflmao (02:20 PM) larrybf: thanks buffy (02:20 PM) 4nq: ya gotta pay attention! (02:21 PM) Buffy_04364: u welc (02:21 PM) larrybf: what about the train? (02:21 PM) Daniel X: all aboard ding ding ding (02:22 PM) jimbo_320: gotta go up (02:22 PM) 4nq: flat......trailer stp hit (02:22 PM) Buffy_04364: my gutt says this thing looks like it is going down but that is all I have to go on (02:23 PM) larrybf: Daniel- i noticed you held after 2;40 the other day (02:23 PM) jimbo_320: 1190 and we go up (02:23 PM) Buffy_04364: just posted 2M with triangle drawn (02:23 PM) Daniel X: yes i did (02:23 PM) Daniel X: i think (02:23 PM) larrybf: rules change ? (02:24 PM) Daniel X: not really (02:24 PM) larrybf: ok thanks (02:24 PM) Buffy_04364: well poke bar on that triangle (02:24 PM) ppusa: Buffy I think we all think that but I don't think selling HERE (down on the day) is appropriate until there is confirmation. (02:24 PM) Daniel X: long 55.50 looking like they want it (02:24 PM) Buffy_04364: oh I agree watching poke bar now (02:25 PM) 4nq: i was confirmed at 12............and nver again do i need confirmations! (02:25 PM) ppusa: Not after that last low anyway. (02:25 PM) Buffy_04364: fake out so far (02:25 PM) ppusa: 4nq, there are differnet types of confirmations. (02:27 PM) ppusa: what happened to you at 12, well that is something you will have to deal with later in life. This is just a trade. (02:29 PM) ppusa: I want to go sell 4 nq's (nothing persona; 4nq) so bad my finger itches. (02:29 PM) ppusa: personal (02:29 PM) Daniel X: lol (02:29 PM) 4nq: had to reboot (02:29 PM) 4nq: what pp? (02:29 PM) jimbo_320: these trains are not very punctual any more :-) (02:29 PM) 4nq: sell my what? (02:30 PM) Buffy_04364: stillin that triangle (02:30 PM) ppusa: never mind Paltalk: Subscribe to bannerless to stop the popups today! Get it NOW for less than THREE CENTS a day! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. (02:30 PM) Daniel X: seems not ..nobody in the pits (02:30 PM) 4nq: i never had this lock up problem until i started using Pal. hmmm (02:30 PM) 4nq: my other machines r doing fine (02:30 PM) beanman_1: NDU upticking back above 1650... remember that we view 1650-1660 as a large neutral area and heavily traded zone... expect this area to bring a choppy trade. Only a move below 1640 or above 1665 should ignite this market. (02:31 PM) jimbo_320: es be, zzzz (02:31 PM) Daniel X: Retro stopped out (02:31 PM) Buffy_04364: do you run email on that machine 4ng with it open? (02:31 PM) beanman_1: from teachtrade.. (02:31 PM) jimbo_320: now it goes up (02:31 PM) ppusa: let's see now. lockup, pal, Lockup pal (02:31 PM) Daniel X: so 46.50 or 55.50 (02:31 PM) Daniel X: buy sell buy sell hhhmmmm (02:32 PM) ppusa: lockup pal, lockup pal (02:32 PM) Orprepus: dan - kiddie train today (02:32 PM) larrybf: 4nq: i drop out of the chatroom when my quotes get locked up no problem when paltalk is closed (02:32 PM) Daniel X: 1 comp? (02:32 PM) Buffy_04364: compacting all folders sure makes my machine run better (02:32 PM) Orprepus: bear flag - 16M (02:34 PM) Daniel X: no one riding the train for a while now...normal volume is the key (02:34 PM) Buffy_04364: tested bottom of the triangle (02:34 PM) 4nq: again this machine froze up (02:35 PM) Daniel X: i just cannot stand to see the 1 min so choppy (02:35 PM) Buffy_04364: so watch the 2M which is what I usually do (02:36 PM) Buffy_04364: and TL help to make sense of it all (02:36 PM) Buffy_04364: time line coming up in pyra (02:36 PM) Buffy_04364: just an idea daniel (02:36 PM) Daniel X: what i meant was for trades entry (02:36 PM) Buffy_04364: you are right it is impossible :-) (02:37 PM) Daniel X: not nice and orderly (02:37 PM) Buffy_04364: nopt it is not (02:37 PM) Buffy_04364: nothing is really now (02:38 PM) Orprepus: posted 16M NQ (02:38 PM) larrybf: daniel: why don"t you switch time frames? (02:38 PM) Daniel X: it's just 1 of my charts Welcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders. Most of us follow methods taught at intelligentspeculator.com. We're here when "TRENDVUE TRADERS WKSHOP" is locked down for a paid session. You can post charts at www.DaCharts.com Spammers & hecklers get the boot. (02:40 PM) ppusa: look out shorts WHEN we break 56 (02:40 PM) 4nq: hi again (02:40 PM) larrybf: i use qcharts because its the only platform easy for me to use (02:41 PM) Daniel X: so the train today gave you B/E (02:42 PM) larrybf: yeah (02:42 PM) Daniel X: anyone looking to go long here (02:42 PM) larrybf: but i quit at 2:27 (02:42 PM) Daniel X: oh (02:43 PM) Roger Schelling: I just posted a 1 min chart......it's familiar enough :) (02:43 PM) Daniel X: anyone? (02:43 PM) cctraderx: l (02:43 PM) Orprepus: considering it - long (02:43 PM) Roger Schelling: ADX coming from the pits now.......maybe it can go somewhere (02:44 PM) larrybf: no momentum. watching time and sales almost like watching premarket volume (02:44 PM) Daniel X: Roger u still in Jerry's room ? (02:44 PM) cctraderx: lol (02:44 PM) cctraderx: still on my train ride (02:44 PM) Orprepus: dont' like TT on 16M could break back down (02:44 PM) Daniel X: lol CC (02:44 PM) Roger Schelling: no have not been there in months (02:44 PM) Daniel X: ok ROG (02:44 PM) Roger Schelling: i need to stop by an say hi more often (02:44 PM) Daniel X: long 55.50 (02:44 PM) Buffy_04364: nice Roger (02:45 PM) Orprepus: long 1656 (02:45 PM) jimbo_320: 94 test, without me again (02:45 PM) Roger Schelling: if that 1 min rocks now...that's going to be a 6 bar pullback on the 45NQ Welcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders. Most of us follow methods taught at intelligentspeculator.com. We're here when "TRENDVUE TRADERS WKSHOP" is locked down for a paid session. You can post charts at www.DaCharts.com Spammers & hecklers get the boot. (02:47 PM) Buffy_04364: hi cj! (02:47 PM) Buffy_04364: I hope not too roger! (02:47 PM) Buffy_04364: getting sick of watching and not doing (02:47 PM) ispec_cj: hi Buffy .. (02:48 PM) Roger Schelling: cripes it falls back in the range......would be about normal for lately.......so far top of range holding (02:48 PM) jimbo_320: g'day c'j (02:49 PM) Roger Schelling: oh my $OSX leaving the staion withou me in any oils.........DO i guess would be one (02:49 PM) jimbo_320: 10 mins to bond close (02:49 PM) Buffy_04364: that was one of the first stocks I ever traded Roger (02:50 PM) ispec_cj: nice charts today .. :) (02:50 PM) Buffy_04364: yes lots of people are posting now (02:50 PM) Buffy_04364: I think it is great (02:50 PM) ispec_cj: great.. (02:50 PM) ispec_cj: it sure is.. (02:50 PM) Daniel X: Roger 51 back in? (02:50 PM) Buffy_04364: Howard making it part of ensign helped (02:51 PM) Roger Schelling: What Daniel ? (02:51 PM) Daniel X: # to bring it back in range (02:51 PM) ispec_cj: great room this turned out to be..:) (02:51 PM) Roger Schelling: yea it's back in range 6 bar pullback now (02:51 PM) Roger Schelling: could still go (02:51 PM) Orprepus: it is time (02:52 PM) Roger Schelling: i min ADX up to 18 (02:52 PM) Roger Schelling: it's trying to make a direction (02:53 PM) Buffy_04364: would be nice if it did decide something! (02:54 PM) Orprepus: in 6 min (02:54 PM) Daniel X: thnx (02:54 PM) Daniel X: loosing pateince (02:54 PM) Roger Schelling: posted 1 min again.....kinda fizzled huh? (02:55 PM) Roger Schelling: well lets see if the dern thing can go out the bottom then :) (02:55 PM) Buffy_04364: my thinking exactly Roger (02:55 PM) Indycator: hey CJ...how ya doin'? (02:56 PM) ispec_cj: Hi Indy, doing OK.. (02:56 PM) Buffy_04364: nope doesn't want to do that either LOL (02:57 PM) Buffy_04364: at lest not yet (02:57 PM) ppusa: realisticallly, high and low may be in. Chop chop until close and then? (02:57 PM) Buffy_04364: I have missed your charts CJ (02:58 PM) Indycator: look at all the ma's converging on the 3M nq (02:58 PM) Buffy_04364: could very well be ppusa (02:58 PM) ispec_cj: Buffy, you're posting great charts..:) (02:59 PM) ispec_cj: dave_b_quick, are you here? (02:59 PM) dave_b_quick: sorry, have guests so not paying attention (03:00 PM) Buffy_04364: thanks cj Paltalk: Please visit our advertisers by clicking on banners. (03:00 PM) Orprepus: stopped out of long (03:00 PM) Orprepus: -7pts (03:00 PM) Daniel X: me too -3 (03:00 PM) Daniel X: no follow thru (03:00 PM) Buffy_04364: just posted 9M (03:00 PM) jimbo_320: how low can they spike it (03:00 PM) ppusa: high of hour in, needs this retest of low (03:01 PM) ppusa: low is 47 (03:01 PM) Orprepus: little early for bond close and missed BB 2M spike aghhh (03:01 PM) ppusa: might just nail it by a couple then back to neutral (03:01 PM) Buffy_04364: this is when I get so bored hard to maintain concentration (03:02 PM) ppusa: yea, i got bored and shorted 4nq (03:02 PM) Daniel X: i cannot get bored if i'm losing $!! (03:02 PM) jimbo_320: O, look at the bars on the 15 min, how can we trade that (03:02 PM) ppusa: ate it (03:02 PM) Buffy_04364: 5M no better (03:03 PM) Buffy_04364: we did fine this morning when tl and 75T chart working - I don't know about you guys but I have given some of it back this afternooon (03:03 PM) ppusa: if we don't bounce of 47, then the low is going to go (03:04 PM) ppusa: if the low goes, what is everyone planning. (03:04 PM) jimbo_320: 2b did not test 1190 (03:04 PM) Buffy_04364: could also be retest of 47 (03:05 PM) ppusa: this is when the short term PnF can save you. and BB (03:05 PM) ppusa: the run to 58 overexxtended the PnF's (03:05 PM) Buffy_04364: consolidation on 1M (03:06 PM) Buffy_04364: true ppusa will have to put Bb back on (03:06 PM) Buffy_04364: keep forgetting to (03:06 PM) ppusa: I had sold to early of course but I re-entered. (03:07 PM) ppusa: notice 15 min in nice down trend channel (03:07 PM) Buffy_04364: ditto ppusa (03:07 PM) jimbo_320: h=s on nq 3 min neckline 1650, oops (03:07 PM) Buffy_04364: but tight in case just a retest (03:08 PM) ppusa: there goes 47 (03:08 PM) ppusa: shoulda, woulda, coulda (03:08 PM) Buffy_04364: 1641 ? (03:08 PM) Daniel X: 45 pivot (03:09 PM) Buffy_04364: tks (03:09 PM) jimbo_320: 94 failure on es, 90 test coming up (03:09 PM) ppusa: you all be careful about buying in case they want to play with yesterday's low (03:09 PM) Buffy_04364: tks jimbo (03:09 PM) dave_b_quick: sorry, unexpected guests (03:09 PM) dave_b_quick: looks like CJ figured out how to post (03:09 PM) ispec_cj: NQ 10M chart posted.. (03:10 PM) Buffy_04364: nice CJ (03:10 PM) jimbo_320: ppusa, now you say :-) (03:10 PM) Buffy_04364: thanks (03:10 PM) Buffy_04364: no more cj chart withdrawal sydrome (03:10 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL (03:10 PM) ispec_cj: dave, thanks...I think it works! :) (03:10 PM) ispec_cj: LOL (03:10 PM) dave_b_quick: Great! We missed you. (03:10 PM) cctraderx: thnks cj (03:11 PM) Orprepus: missed your charts cj - thxs for the psot (03:11 PM) Orprepus: psot = post (03:11 PM) Buffy_04364: the parachute :-) (03:11 PM) ispec_cj: great to be here all :) (03:11 PM) Buffy_04364: great to see you and Roger (03:12 PM) ppusa: looks like 47 and back to neutral (03:13 PM) Orprepus: dave this is a great room even with the occasional Hicking :-D (03:13 PM) ppusa: hiking (03:13 PM) Buffy_04364: I have a problem with putting BB back on (03:13 PM) Buffy_04364: going to post and see if anyone else has had it happen to them (03:13 PM) ppusa: ? (03:13 PM) Orprepus: no "hicking" (03:14 PM) Orprepus: someone came into room yesterday morning for "hiciking" (03:14 PM) Buffy_04364: gee, did I see what I thought I saw (03:14 PM) Buffy_04364: now isn't that a mess (03:14 PM) Buffy_04364: anyone ever have it happen to them (03:14 PM) ppusa: a putty tat? (03:14 PM) Orprepus: what "hicking" is I have no clue (03:15 PM) Orprepus: buffy - got the fix (03:15 PM) Buffy_04364: back woods - being a hick I think is what he finally said (03:15 PM) Daniel X: can only hick if you live in the south (03:15 PM) Buffy_04364: what is it (03:15 PM) Daniel X: i guess (03:15 PM) qatwo: hickeying (03:15 PM) cctraderx: watch it - hehehe (03:15 PM) Daniel X: CC u a Hatrock? (03:15 PM) Buffy_04364: can have Howard look at it to see if he knows if we don't (03:16 PM) cctraderx: live in da south (03:16 PM) Orprepus: had same green lines earlier - need to go BB prop and make spread same color as background - make sure BB colors are the ones you want (03:16 PM) Orprepus: also could multiple BB on chart (03:16 PM) Buffy_04364: well thank you Orprepus (03:16 PM) Buffy_04364: I have no clue how spread even got checked (03:16 PM) Orprepus: did it help (03:16 PM) Buffy_04364: never used it (03:16 PM) jimbo_320: if 90 goes we see 86, textbook downtrend on es 3, 94 failure (03:16 PM) Buffy_04364: yep all fixed (03:16 PM) cctraderx: :-) (03:16 PM) Buffy_04364: thanks (03:17 PM) Orprepus: new ver brought it in (03:17 PM) Buffy_04364: very very much (03:17 PM) Buffy_04364: oh ok (03:17 PM) Buffy_04364: that makes sense (03:17 PM) Orprepus: draw lines now have numbers on them default (03:17 PM) Buffy_04364: oh hadn't noticed (03:18 PM) Buffy_04364: no numbers on all the ones I have been drawing today (03:18 PM) Buffy_04364: maybe cause I didn't reboot just installed and ran (03:18 PM) beanman_1: 14:09:00 from teachtrade : back below 1650, but again this market has scale down support to 1640. Below 1640, the sellers should get aggressive. (03:18 PM) Buffy_04364: that might be confusing it maybe (03:18 PM) Buffy_04364: then that "missing chart" didn't help (03:18 PM) Orprepus: lucky - you don't I had to reset all charts with lines (03:19 PM) Orprepus: thxs bman (03:19 PM) Buffy_04364: I had that when I forget to tell it to save all objects (03:19 PM) Buffy_04364: and have to redraw (03:19 PM) Buffy_04364: thanks beanman (03:19 PM) Buffy_04364: for info (03:19 PM) Orprepus: no just select prop and uncheck price box (03:20 PM) Buffy_04364: that might explain why I had to change lots of the properties back to where I thought I left them (03:20 PM) Buffy_04364: that makes me feel better (03:20 PM) Buffy_04364: well, I am not going to do anything more today (03:20 PM) Orprepus: like the new features - but driving me a little nuts having to reset everything (03:20 PM) Buffy_04364: unless it screams at me (03:20 PM) ppusa: could be buyers coming in if we hold (03:21 PM) cctraderx: open the door for them (03:21 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL plese do (03:22 PM) Buffy_04364: but then just get foiled at the MAs it is all under (03:22 PM) jimbo_320: 1650 is retracement to neckline an 20ema (03:22 PM) ppusa: end of day short covering. I hope not (03:22 PM) Buffy_04364: this could also be a bear flag again! (03:23 PM) ppusa: 15 min chart kinda steep (03:23 PM) Orprepus: what a low vol day (03:23 PM) Buffy_04364: I beleive it Orprepus (03:26 PM) Buffy_04364: tme line coming up on pyra (03:27 PM) Orprepus: had enough of this stuff today - spouse is buying lunch see yall tomorrow (03:27 PM) cctraderx: enjoy lunch (03:27 PM) Orprepus: waving bye (03:27 PM) jimbo_320: not much of bounce here (03:27 PM) Buffy_04364: bye orprepus (03:28 PM) rambler_12: bye (03:28 PM) Buffy_04364: no not buch at all (03:29 PM) jimbo_320: out es +1, same, had enough, catch y'all tomorrow (03:29 PM) Buffy_04364: bye Jimbo (03:29 PM) jimbo_320: see ya buffy Paltalk: Your friends are just a click away! Press the invite button NOW! (03:30 PM) ppusa: new hour (03:36 PM) ppusa: come on boys and girls,, we will all feel a lot better of you die right here (03:36 PM) ppusa: i assume no one is long? (03:36 PM) Buffy_04364: 41 2 close for me (03:36 PM) Daniel X: lol (03:36 PM) Buffy_04364: flatt (03:36 PM) Buffy_04364: watching (03:37 PM) Buffy_04364: just posted 4Mpyra (03:38 PM) Buffy_04364: figure it is going to test that support line or bounce (03:38 PM) ppusa: i was going to place a stop at 48, but I covered. (03:38 PM) ppusa: darn it (03:38 PM) Buffy_04364: going out on porch for a bit in the sunshine (03:39 PM) Buffy_04364: it might still go (03:39 PM) Buffy_04364: tes ut us (03:39 PM) Daniel X: short 41 (03:39 PM) ppusa: i just entered so poorly i had no room (03:40 PM) ppusa: i hate selling like that Dan because the market always seems to bounce (03:41 PM) ppusa: for instance right now the short term PnF's are overdone. (03:41 PM) Daniel X: damn got no fill! (03:41 PM) Daniel X: stop limit no fill..blew right thru (03:41 PM) ppusa: it's late (03:42 PM) ppusa: tomorrow (03:42 PM) Daniel X: you're leaving? (03:43 PM) ppusa: Heck no, someone has to babysit you to the close! (03:44 PM) Daniel X: ha ha ha (03:44 PM) ppusa: i had a bad day because i got bored. (03:44 PM) Daniel X: me too (03:44 PM) Daniel X: -11 (03:44 PM) ppusa: never sold an up (03:45 PM) ppusa: That's all anyone had to do all day long. (03:45 PM) ppusa: sold some neutrals (03:45 PM) Daniel X: on 15 min yes (03:45 PM) ppusa: yea, that would have worked perfect (03:45 PM) ppusa: everyday gotta find the chart that works (03:46 PM) ppusa: oh well, we are not long (03:46 PM) ppusa: Orp and i will be happy if we continue (03:47 PM) ppusa: I want to find the next big up in the nas and buy a mutual fund. (03:47 PM) ppusa: easy 25+percent if you hit it right (03:47 PM) Daniel X: 2 years away (03:47 PM) ppusa: naw, there will be ops inbetween (03:47 PM) Daniel X: kidding (03:47 PM) ppusa: 2 years will be the big op (03:47 PM) ppusa: yea, sick economy (03:48 PM) ppusa: my dog is looking for a cat to live with (03:48 PM) Daniel X: need another sector boom (03:48 PM) ppusa: gosh, Dave, I think you better start editing this stuff before you post it. (03:48 PM) Daniel X: Bios have a chance (03:49 PM) dave_b_quick: what did you find ppusa? (03:49 PM) dave_b_quick: the details get me again? (03:49 PM) ppusa: this chat (03:49 PM) ppusa: edit the chat and take out all my slander. (03:50 PM) ppusa: Sorry, I thought your last name was quick. (03:50 PM) dave_b_quick: hahaha (03:50 PM) dave_b_quick: my handle sounds a lot better than dave_b_dim (03:50 PM) Buffy_04364: well guysI don't know about you but this market drove me nuts this afternoon (03:51 PM) Daniel X: gosh then ..... you would not even apear! (03:51 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL (03:51 PM) Daniel X: appear (03:51 PM) ppusa: o much fun (03:51 PM) ppusa: too (03:51 PM) 4nq: long or short drive, Buffy??? (03:51 PM) Buffy_04364: now she dives (03:51 PM) Buffy_04364: flat (03:51 PM) ppusa: let me ask, would a stop at 48 been appropriate? (03:52 PM) Daniel X: my stop limit sell did not get filled :-( (03:52 PM) ppusa: That was the high of the hour. (03:52 PM) Daniel X: 41 (03:52 PM) Buffy_04364: for a short off of what (03:52 PM) ppusa: i went short at 44 before the beginning of the hour. (03:52 PM) Buffy_04364: 48 just went through the TL (03:52 PM) Daniel X: lod (03:52 PM) ppusa: off of the Pats System (03:53 PM) ppusa: I pushed this button here and that button there and the next ything I knew (03:53 PM) ppusa: i was short (03:53 PM) Buffy_04364: yeah, it was as it went thorugh down tl (03:53 PM) Buffy_04364: and you want to be around for tomorrow (03:54 PM) Buffy_04364: you don't know it is going to make a doji and resume downtrend (03:54 PM) Buffy_04364: this is not good on the daily though either (03:54 PM) Buffy_04364: unless it reverses (03:54 PM) Daniel X: rough day for Retro (03:55 PM) Buffy_04364: I bet it was (03:55 PM) ppusa: and when we finally started to break, I covered. It's this thing I have for the hour chart. (03:55 PM) Buffy_04364: if you have a thing for it it must work more often than not (03:55 PM) ppusa: wonderful chart (03:55 PM) dave_b_quick: when even the 15m chart is getting chopped up everybody but the scalpers are in trouble (03:56 PM) Daniel X: ditto (03:56 PM) Buffy_04364: you can go a lot lower than the 15 to say that for today Dave (03:56 PM) Buffy_04364: I ran real tight stops today (03:56 PM) dave_b_quick: CJ probably made a killing today and 4nq too (03:56 PM) Buffy_04364: didn't trust a thing (03:56 PM) ppusa: For instance this morning and yester. I knew to be looking for shorting op early based on yesterday's hour chart. (03:56 PM) Buffy_04364: yep he most probably did (03:56 PM) Buffy_04364: this morning was nice trading (03:57 PM) Buffy_04364: it was what about 1 it became chop chop (03:58 PM) ppusa: did mike come on and say aggressively long or short? (03:58 PM) Buffy_04364: aggressive long for nq (03:58 PM) Daniel X: both (03:58 PM) Buffy_04364: nothing for es (03:58 PM) ppusa: hummm (03:58 PM) Buffy_04364: oh missed that daniel (03:58 PM) Buffy_04364: sorry ppusa (03:58 PM) Buffy_04364: just remembered him saying nq in aggressive buy zone (03:58 PM) ppusa: he was something then I thought talking long (03:59 PM) ppusa: that's what I thought (03:59 PM) elly_34: who is mike? from T;s room? (03:59 PM) Buffy_04364: aggressive means be careful (03:59 PM) ppusa: shorting early (03:59 PM) Buffy_04364: yes (03:59 PM) Buffy_04364: he is the other great teacher (03:59 PM) Buffy_04364: uses indicators (03:59 PM) Buffy_04364: like on rogers charts (03:59 PM) Buffy_04364: rei and if (03:59 PM) elly_34: yes i sat in on the free day last week, and i liked him a lot (03:59 PM) Buffy_04364: adx is T's (03:59 PM) Buffy_04364: he is very nice (03:59 PM) elly_34: he is not a scalper i gather (03:59 PM) ppusa: aggressive means careful? (04:00 PM) Buffy_04364: he can scalp quite well (04:00 PM) ppusa: I am glad I have you to translaate. (04:00 PM) Buffy_04364: yes it does ppusa Paltalk: Go bannerless and support PalTalk! Subscribe today! Only $9.95 a year! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. (04:00 PM) ppusa: What does cautious mean? (04:00 PM) dave_b_quick: Mike is an elephant hunter when it's appropriate and a scalper when that's appropriate (04:00 PM) Buffy_04364: aggressive means be ready for it to turn against you (04:00 PM) elly_34: i see (04:00 PM) Buffy_04364: yes he can do both (04:00 PM) elly_34: ok understand (04:00 PM) Buffy_04364: I don't remember him using that word cautious (04:00 PM) Buffy_04364: do you dave? (04:00 PM) dave_b_quick: he swing trades other futures too (04:01 PM) dave_b_quick: no (04:01 PM) Buffy_04364: live cattle, cocoa, bonds all the tme (04:01 PM) ppusa: Aw, no big deal. (04:01 PM) elly_34: yes i gathered that, and i'd like to learn his methods more (04:02 PM) ppusa: Anyway I am glad we have sold off. (04:02 PM) Buffy_04364: I think the biggest thing to remember with Mike's indicators is when they work they work great but they don't always work especially on lower TF which is to be expected (04:02 PM) ppusa: I want to be an aggressive trader from lower levels. (04:02 PM) Buffy_04364: me too although it should mean down (04:02 PM) ispec_cj: hope everyone had a good day..:) (04:03 PM) ppusa: Meaning I want to trade the @%#^$&@^%# out of this thing from down there. (04:03 PM) Buffy_04364: not as good as you did I am sure (04:03 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL (04:03 PM) ispec_cj: see you tomorow :) (04:03 PM) elly_34: lol (04:03 PM) dave_b_quick: thanks, CJ (04:03 PM) Buffy_04364: by cj and thanks again for posting the chart (04:03 PM) ppusa: buy Buffy (04:03 PM) ppusa: i mean by (04:03 PM) ispec_cj: thanks all..bye :) (04:03 PM) Buffy_04364: do I dare ask you how many trades cj (04:03 PM) Buffy_04364: you most probably have me beat by a mile today (04:03 PM) Buffy_04364: nevermind (04:04 PM) Buffy_04364: you are the master of it (04:04 PM) dave_b_quick: buffy, are you trying to do more trades than CJ? (04:04 PM) ppusa: who is cj? just one of us or ? (04:04 PM) Buffy_04364: no LOL I just think of it (04:04 PM) dave_b_quick: CJ just left i think (04:04 PM) ispec_cj: Buffy, not too many today! 6 RT ES, and 28 RT NQ...:) (04:04 PM) Buffy_04364: he is a graduate of T's and Mikes (04:04 PM) ispec_cj: still here (04:04 PM) dave_b_quick: He's famous for doing over 100 trades a day (04:04 PM) 4nq: what are some average # of trades per day in here?? (04:04 PM) Buffy_04364: thanks cj (04:05 PM) ispec_cj: dave trying to cut back and stay with the trades a little longer! :) (04:05 PM) Buffy_04364: I knew I overtaded this chop chop (04:05 PM) Daniel X: 10 i think (04:05 PM) Buffy_04364: hard to do though if you are used to ringing the cash register isn't it? (04:05 PM) Buffy_04364: I find it is (04:05 PM) dave_b_quick: The other day CJ got caught long 5 contracts on the big death spike down... (04:05 PM) Buffy_04364: and everytime I stay it is wrong and when I don't I should of (04:05 PM) Buffy_04364: yes but he traded his way out (04:05 PM) Buffy_04364: did a great job (04:06 PM) Buffy_04364: so I hear anyway (04:06 PM) ispec_cj: Buffy, I thought we had some clear swings today.. (04:06 PM) Buffy_04364: :-) (04:06 PM) Buffy_04364: yes we did cj (04:06 PM) dave_b_quick: yup, an hour later he was back on the + side (04:06 PM) rambler_12: <--37 paper trades (04:06 PM) Buffy_04364: everything fine up until about 1:30 I guess (04:06 PM) ppusa: I've done 50 rt's but I asm trying to focus more on the HOD and LOD. (04:06 PM) ispec_cj: Buffy, how many did you trade today? (04:06 PM) Buffy_04364: 32 (04:07 PM) ppusa: I only got caught 4 on the deaqth spike. haha (04:07 PM) dave_b_quick: wow, buffy! (04:07 PM) Buffy_04364: well I was scalping today (04:07 PM) Buffy_04364: at lest the last part (04:07 PM) dave_b_quick: and you're here to tell about it ppusa (04:07 PM) ppusa: Buffy, don't you find it hard to scalp from lows going lower? (04:07 PM) Buffy_04364: this mornign though was my kind of trading (04:08 PM) ppusa: My $ isn't (04:08 PM) dave_b_quick: :>( (04:08 PM) Buffy_04364: or I was with it or something (04:08 PM) Buffy_04364: no cause the bounce goes to a tl or ma and that is where you sell it (04:08 PM) Buffy_04364: if that is what you mean (04:08 PM) ispec_cj: well, gotta run, take care all :) (04:09 PM) ppusa: ok look (04:09 PM) Buffy_04364: u s cj! (04:09 PM) dave_b_quick: bye, CJ (04:09 PM) ppusa: by cj (04:09 PM) Buffy_04364: you two cj (04:09 PM) elly_34: buffy are u trading via pyra? (04:09 PM) 4nq: do any of u ever figure the ratio of #of trades to profit/loss? Or the scale of p/l to trades?? (04:09 PM) Buffy_04364: a little of everything elly (04:09 PM) ppusa: buffy, tl = vertical right? (04:09 PM) Buffy_04364: mostly trendlines (04:09 PM) dave_b_quick: ya, 4nq, do you? (04:09 PM) Buffy_04364: and ma (04:09 PM) 4nq: sure (04:09 PM) Daniel X: 4 NQ not me (04:10 PM) dave_b_quick: it's great exercise (04:10 PM) 4nq: u must do it as mkts change imo (04:10 PM) ppusa: don't know what a time line is (04:10 PM) 4nq: a # will appear like a ma (04:10 PM) Buffy_04364: I like to see the % that best tracks over 60 at least (04:11 PM) Buffy_04364: time line is when pyra is coming to an end of square calculated from the square root of nine (04:11 PM) Buffy_04364: howard posted a great chart today (04:11 PM) Buffy_04364: on it (04:11 PM) Daniel X: i check every 30 days that's all (04:11 PM) ppusa: while you fill me in on that, here is what i think about scalping. (04:11 PM) Buffy_04364: it is the vertical cyan lines on pyra I post (04:12 PM) Daniel X: tired of scalping (04:12 PM) Buffy_04364: I like doing it once in a while daniel (04:12 PM) Buffy_04364: not something I do everyday (04:12 PM) Daniel X: trying to Retro myself (04:12 PM) Buffy_04364: by any means (04:12 PM) elly_34: how did retro do today? (04:12 PM) Daniel X: scalping for six months! (04:12 PM) Buffy_04364: but if that is all the market will give take it (04:12 PM) ppusa: if you take as an example, the 15 min chart of today and you sold near a swing high and sat on it compared to scalping then big $'s. (04:13 PM) Buffy_04364: that is what I do but on a smaller TF (04:13 PM) ppusa: but today the market gave us a sell, not a scalp (04:13 PM) Daniel X: Retro not too hot today..not right enviroment (04:13 PM) Buffy_04364: sell when it hits the TL or the 20MA (04:13 PM) Buffy_04364: and looks to be reversing (04:13 PM) 4nq: but u don't know that at the time,pp (04:13 PM) Buffy_04364: look for buy when it takes out the last low or stalls there (04:14 PM) 4nq: mkt ALWAYS gives a scalp (04:14 PM) GGriz: Buffy???? (04:14 PM) Buffy_04364: agree 4nq IF you are fast enough with the keys and brain is working well (04:14 PM) Buffy_04364: what ggriz (04:14 PM) Buffy_04364: did I miss something (04:14 PM) ppusa: today you and dan sold some breakdowns. I used to do this too. But a lot of breakdowns aare overextensions of short term PnF's. 4nq hold that thought. (04:15 PM) GGriz: could you post a chart that illustrates your scalp setups? (04:15 PM) Daniel X: I compared Retro style to scalp mode and Retro is ahead by miles even by taking losses on scalp days (04:15 PM) GGriz: in down, do you buy first for the bounce? (04:15 PM) Buffy_04364: I agree with you daniel (04:16 PM) Buffy_04364: look at number 75T13 (04:16 PM) GGriz: tnx (04:17 PM) Ensign Software: buffy, I see in one of your 2 min charts you plotted the new spead of the bollinger bands. Do like having that capability now? (04:17 PM) Buffy_04364: once those lines go in - which I do as quickly as bars let me, I assume I am inbetween them (04:17 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL Hi Howard, I thought it was broken (04:17 PM) ppusa: Anytime I can sell a HOD or buy a LOD, i do not want to scalp. I know every trade is different but for instance yesterday's long was a breakout and what did I try to do..scalp. (04:17 PM) Buffy_04364: didn't know what was going on (04:17 PM) GGriz: BTW, did anyone mention option expiration this week and the tendency for lots of volume without price moves on Wed? (04:17 PM) dave_b_quick: ya, i'm looking for a scalping style that fits me (04:17 PM) dave_b_quick: the 2m bb ping pong looked good yesterday (04:18 PM) Buffy_04364: could you explain it better? why not just a visual? (04:18 PM) Daniel X: i can scalp all day for 2 points at a time just no interest anymoe (04:18 PM) Ensign Software: buffy, go to the bollinger band properties window and change the setting to deselect the spread plot if you do not want it. (04:18 PM) ppusa: Dan I am with you period. (04:19 PM) Buffy_04364: I did that orprepus had the answer he had already figured it out (04:19 PM) elly_34: HOward, when i sign up for ensign, is there a way to feed into dynamic trader? (04:19 PM) Buffy_04364: I thought it was this week we switch contracts (04:19 PM) Buffy_04364: yes when moving averages are flat bb ping pong works (04:19 PM) Ensign Software: elly, what is dynamic trader and what does it need for a feed? (04:20 PM) ppusa: it's almost to the point where I would rather go short early (or long) with a reasonable stop and sit. (04:20 PM) elly_34: Robert Miner's softrware and in his manual it says Ensign for intraday or daily data, yet i thought u used various feeds so i got a little confused (04:20 PM) Hank500: hi kids. How did retrotrader do today? Kind of a small range day for it, wasn't it? (04:21 PM) Daniel X: ditto i'm trying to catch the the early my self (04:21 PM) Daniel X: the move (04:21 PM) Buffy_04364: yes hank it was (04:22 PM) Ensign Software: elly, I have not seen or used the dynamic trader, but if they read Ensign's intraday and daily files, then it makes no difference which vendor Ensign is using to store those files. The files would be the same regardless of vendor Ensign is connected to. (04:22 PM) Hank500: I got chopped up and finally broke even... (04:22 PM) ppusa: once we went through yesterday's high, clear indication it would take time to put in whatever low. (04:22 PM) rs_5: take care all, have a nice evening (04:22 PM) elly_34: ok thanks (04:22 PM) ppusa: buy rs (04:22 PM) ppusa: i mean by (04:22 PM) Daniel X: Retro trades 1 and 2 stopped out then 3rd was max 18 took 12 (04:23 PM) Buffy_04364: the spread is a visual of the distance between the bands correct Howard? interesting thought early warning of expanding from being in a tight range (04:23 PM) Buffy_04364: like it howard (04:23 PM) Buffy_04364: you too rs (04:23 PM) rs_5: lol (04:23 PM) Hank500: good job on Retro, it was a tough day (04:23 PM) Buffy_04364: nice thing to set an alert on maybe (04:23 PM) rs_5: take care ppusa, buffy (04:24 PM) Buffy_04364: night rs (04:24 PM) Buffy_04364: you too (04:24 PM) elly_34: what is retro's biggest losing day? (04:24 PM) Ensign Software: yes spread is the visual distance between bands. however, in next version it will be plotted half high unless the Spread property is Larger. customer wanted to see spread value and plot so he could quickly spot expanding or contracting bands. (04:24 PM) Buffy_04364: I hate the constant going into triangles too (04:24 PM) Daniel X: after 3 trades i lost track (04:25 PM) Hank500: so 3 trades of -5 each ? (04:25 PM) Buffy_04364: half high is good idea also (04:25 PM) Daniel X: 10 is the biggest i think (04:25 PM) Daniel X: no 2 @ - 5 and 1 @ +12 (04:25 PM) Daniel X: then i lost track (04:25 PM) Buffy_04364: under rules for retrotrader it says how many stopout before waiting for a trend before trading agian (04:25 PM) elly_34: -10 is abiggest losing? (04:25 PM) Daniel X: 2 (04:26 PM) Ensign Software: DanielX: have you automated Retro using ESPL so all the entry and exit points are automatically marked according to the rules? (04:26 PM) Daniel X: yes because Retr stands a side on 2 consecutive losses (04:26 PM) Buffy_04364: go back through the charts folders for each day and look at retrocharts for previous day (04:26 PM) dave_b_quick: Not yet howard, would like to (04:26 PM) elly_34: k will do (04:26 PM) Daniel X: Howard no (04:27 PM) dave_b_quick: Howard, if you look at the Retro Trader page at dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart.com the rules are there. I don't know how hard they would be to program. (04:27 PM) Daniel X: lol wrong guy (04:27 PM) Buffy_04364: it would have to look for things in smaller TF that would indicate a reversal could be coming Howard (04:27 PM) dave_b_quick: ya, howard it's a combo of 2 time frames (04:28 PM) Daniel X: Buffy that's what so hard..too much noide! (04:28 PM) Daniel X: noise (04:28 PM) dave_b_quick: trend and exits on one TF, entries on another (04:28 PM) Buffy_04364: it is hard but try to follow this tomorrow (04:28 PM) Ensign Software: ESPL can handle the two time frames, and probably all the rules. Dave, are the rules your baby, or someone elses? (04:28 PM) Buffy_04364: we are looking at 5M for reversal right for retro (04:29 PM) dave_b_quick: ya, i came up with them (04:29 PM) Buffy_04364: well if we are also watching a lower tf for warning (04:29 PM) Buffy_04364: the lower TF will say not true and you can breath easier or it will say it is true (04:30 PM) dave_b_quick: ya (04:30 PM) Buffy_04364: we all are trying to improve it Howard Paltalk: Please support our sponsors by clicking on banners. (04:30 PM) Buffy_04364: and watch it too (04:30 PM) Buffy_04364: keep Dave on his toes with it LOL (04:30 PM) Ensign Software: so, if we work together you and I could come up with all the approvals so no one has any offense, and have it as either an ESPL tool in EW or possibly a built in tool like Pyrapoint is now a built in tool, right? any interest? (04:31 PM) dave_b_quick: YESSSS! (04:31 PM) Buffy_04364: dave has lots of inquiries about it Howard (04:31 PM) Daniel X: i think the 1 min can be used as an exit when prices move thru the 40 ema (04:31 PM) Buffy_04364: so there is a lot of interest in it (04:31 PM) Daniel X: can always re enter (04:31 PM) dave_b_quick: i was surprised how much interest there has been in retrotrader (04:31 PM) Buffy_04364: you know me prefer the tick charts (04:32 PM) Buffy_04364: not making higher/lower high/low seems to very seldom fail as a warning in tf lower that five I believe (04:33 PM) Buffy_04364: wouldn't that be cool Dave?!?! (04:33 PM) Ensign Software: ok, 1st step, lets talk in general terms, 5M is just 1/3 period of 15M, so in general terms, any pair of 2 time frames that are in the 1/3rd relationship would be a potential pair. (04:33 PM) scottybythelake: Newbie interested - if that counts!!! (04:33 PM) Buffy_04364: right howard (04:33 PM) dave_b_quick: Yes, Howard, it would be nice to be able to test different combinations of TF's (04:33 PM) Buffy_04364: we are talking of usng the 9 and 3 when volume returns after the sumer (04:34 PM) Ensign Software: a 25 tick and a 75 tick would be a pair. a 1 minute and a 3 min would be a pair, a 15 min and a 45 min would be a pair. (04:34 PM) Buffy_04364: so that would work out well Howard (04:34 PM) Buffy_04364: that sounds fantastic howard (04:34 PM) Buffy_04364: great idea there (04:34 PM) dave_b_quick: or maybe just any 2 time frames? (04:34 PM) Buffy_04364: would automatically get people to join two tf and help their trading too (04:35 PM) Buffy_04364: 5/15 (04:35 PM) Buffy_04364: 4/12 (04:35 PM) Buffy_04364: I like this howard (04:35 PM) Buffy_04364: very much (04:36 PM) Buffy_04364: I think the 1/3 might help on the programing end Dave (04:36 PM) Buffy_04364: not sure though (04:36 PM) scottybythelake: Would a daily time-frame work??? (04:37 PM) Ensign Software: now, the end idea is to apply the tool to just one chart, such as 15M and have it magically mark all entries and exits even if behind the scene it has to somehow know about the 1/3rd tf pair. Don't want to have tool only work when both charts are open. would like tool to mark single chart regardless of whether companion chart is open or closed. just thinking outloud. (04:37 PM) dave_b_quick: haven't tried yet scotty (04:37 PM) dave_b_quick: that would be nice (04:38 PM) dave_b_quick: Howard, the more parameters that can be customized by the end user the more useful it will be to the most people. (04:39 PM) Daniel X: I gotta go see Linnsoft and ask him how to set this up on Rt Investor! (04:39 PM) Daniel X: see you all tommorrow (04:39 PM) dave_b_quick: g'nite dan (04:39 PM) Ensign Software: now, if the tool were in EW, what permission do I need from you Dave. With Pyrapoint I had to buy a license from the author, and that took me several months to talk him into that as well. Part of his hesitation was having a warehouse full of Pyrapoint books the publisher wanted to be sure got sold. (04:40 PM) dave_b_quick: well there's a permission posted at dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart.com (04:40 PM) dave_b_quick: i'll give you any kind of permission you want (04:40 PM) Buffy_04364: thanks Dave (04:41 PM) Buffy_04364: I think it has a lot of promise with the different TF (04:41 PM) scottybythelake: THREE CHEERS FOR DAVE!!! (04:41 PM) ppusa: Dave go for the $ (04:41 PM) dave_b_quick: it was mainly an educational exercise for me, and i don't know how to program it myself (04:41 PM) dave_b_quick: i thot about paying kimball to program it (04:41 PM) dave_b_quick: but i like this idea (04:41 PM) scottybythelake: ppusa where's your humanity? (04:41 PM) Buffy_04364: so there is your return (04:42 PM) ppusa: in Dave's pocket. (04:42 PM) dave_b_quick: if it works i'll get my dollars that way (04:42 PM) Buffy_04364: naturally I do too (04:42 PM) ppusa: what lake are you by (04:42 PM) scottybythelake: Lake Crescent, FL (04:42 PM) ppusa: ok (04:42 PM) dave_b_quick: who knows, maybe Howard will tell eSignal to stop charging me for Ensign! (04:43 PM) ppusa: there you go (04:43 PM) scottybythelake: 2nd that (04:43 PM) ppusa: that's the least (04:43 PM) Buffy_04364: That is true if it works money will be made :-) (04:43 PM) ppusa: i say we open higher and have another up day (04:43 PM) Buffy_04364: and it would remove the human element (04:44 PM) Buffy_04364: gee was today up??? (04:44 PM) Buffy_04364: sure didn't feel it (04:44 PM) ppusa: sarcasm (04:44 PM) scottybythelake: It just happened!!! (04:44 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL ppusa (04:44 PM) ppusa: you will end up like me (04:44 PM) Buffy_04364: ditto on this end (04:44 PM) ppusa: ok serously (04:45 PM) ppusa: Buffy, where did we break out from yester? (04:45 PM) dave_b_quick: even with a rigorously tested system, the human element is still the key to whether it works or not, but part of that is for the user to build confidence in the system by testing it him/herself (04:45 PM) Buffy_04364: yesterdays high was 1666 (04:45 PM) ppusa: no the breakout we all were in (04:45 PM) scottybythelake: right dave (04:45 PM) ppusa: right dave (04:46 PM) dave_b_quick: that's why those $3000 systems in a box don't work (04:46 PM) ppusa: Buffy, what are you doing? (04:46 PM) Buffy_04364: oh oh that sounds like I am suppose to be doing something (04:46 PM) Buffy_04364: what am I suppose to be doing ppusa? (04:46 PM) Buffy_04364: sorry (04:47 PM) ppusa: the breakout (04:47 PM) Buffy_04364: down or up? (04:47 PM) ppusa: ugh (04:47 PM) Buffy_04364: 1661 (04:47 PM) Buffy_04364: is that the one up (04:47 PM) ppusa: when we all were long yesterday (04:47 PM) ppusa: 163 something? (04:47 PM) Buffy_04364: 1633 (04:47 PM) ppusa: what was today's low (04:48 PM) Buffy_04364: is about where I went long (04:48 PM) Buffy_04364: 1633 (04:48 PM) Buffy_04364: interesting (04:48 PM) ppusa: thank you (04:48 PM) Buffy_04364: if it holds right? (04:48 PM) Buffy_04364: or are you saying odds are it will (04:49 PM) ppusa: I am saying nothing, just interesting isn't it. (04:49 PM) ppusa: i am still so bearish I have to hold myself back (04:49 PM) Buffy_04364: yes it is and just posted 12M that really shows it too (04:49 PM) ppusa: but I hate hindsight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (04:50 PM) ppusa: Anyway, I gotta go. Still have some time line questions. (04:51 PM) dave_b_quick: g'nite ppusa, thanks for your contributions (04:51 PM) Buffy_04364: yes thank you very much (04:51 PM) Buffy_04364: and for your patience (04:51 PM) ppusa: but the only one I would like to ask now is ... Is a timeline only on pyropoint, or a trendline or both or? (04:51 PM) ppusa: Thank you guys. (04:51 PM) Buffy_04364: that was a good observation for watching it for another sell if stalls (04:52 PM) Buffy_04364: timeline only on pyra (04:52 PM) beanman_1: ppusa... A timeline on Pyrapoint is where time and price meet (04:52 PM) beanman_1: a Gann Concept (04:52 PM) Buffy_04364: based on the square root of nine from anchor point (04:52 PM) Buffy_04364: calculated way out in time (04:52 PM) beanman_1: a timeline is the vertical line at the EOS end of square (04:52 PM) ppusa: ok so it's Pyrapoint and Gann which is what I thought (04:53 PM) ppusa: right (04:53 PM) beanman_1: sucker.. mine was free (04:53 PM) ppusa: that's what i thought (04:53 PM) Buffy_04364: pyrapoint is a gannn concept yes (04:53 PM) ppusa: your what (04:54 PM) beanman_1: Ideally you want to drill down from wkly, to daily, and smaller TF (04:54 PM) ppusa: no quotes (04:54 PM) ppusa: Hey is their a feed down (04:54 PM) Buffy_04364: just like all other indicators (04:54 PM) beanman_1: if the Wkly shows and EOS, then go to daily to pinpoint which day of week for wkly end of square... (04:54 PM) ppusa: anyone have DTN and EW? (04:54 PM) Buffy_04364: esignal here (04:55 PM) ppusa: Thanks Buffy and Beanman (04:55 PM) beanman_1: the go to 60..15.. and you may be able pinpoint a wkly, daily, 60... turning point (04:55 PM) ppusa: checking feed (04:55 PM) Buffy_04364: 1637.50 is last I have (04:55 PM) Ensign Software: I have live feed on DTN right now. (04:55 PM) Ensign Software: i have 1637.50 too (04:56 PM) Buffy_04364: thanks beanman I see how it works - is this important to do if only trading short term though (04:56 PM) ppusa: computer frozen (04:56 PM) Buffy_04364: like daytrading (04:56 PM) Buffy_04364: you have been doing tha toften today ppusa haven't you? (04:57 PM) ppusa: Deer here (04:57 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL (04:57 PM) beanman_1: part of you daily checklist / pretrade routine should be to chk the wkly, dialy. and smaller.. (04:57 PM) ppusa: EW frozen. Where is howard (04:57 PM) Ensign Software: right here (04:58 PM) Buffy_04364: all charts or some ppusa? (04:58 PM) ppusa: whole computer (04:58 PM) ppusa: other computer (04:58 PM) Buffy_04364: so a layout for pyrapoint larger TF (04:58 PM) Buffy_04364: to check in morningis what you are saying beanman (04:58 PM) Buffy_04364: right (04:58 PM) beanman_1: yes.. (04:58 PM) dave_b_quick: Howard, if you need any help figuring out the entry, exit or trend definitions for retrotrader, just holler. (04:59 PM) Ensign Software: press CTRL-ALT-DELETE and see if the task panel shows which app is not responding (04:59 PM) beanman_1: you want to know the diference between a normal EOS in a small TF and and EOS in a small TF that also happen to be an EOS of other higher TF's (04:59 PM) beanman_1: very much like Fib cluster's... (05:00 PM) Buffy_04364: yep I see how it would work (05:00 PM) Buffy_04364: just wondering how important it is if only daytrading though (05:00 PM) Buffy_04364: and not swing trading Paltalk: Are banners a bummer and popups a pain? Cure your banner blues NOW for $9.95 a year! Click HELP on your Pal List then select Bannerless PalTalk to subscribe now! (05:00 PM) Buffy_04364: If Dave not available Howard I could try to help also if OK with Dave (05:01 PM) beanman_1: As Don Hall's states, think of each TF sending out wave/ripples from a signficant high or low.. when more than one of these overlap, you could have a COT, change of trend (05:01 PM) Buffy_04364: 1632 now wonder whose earnings they didn't like (05:01 PM) Buffy_04364: I remember you saying that before beanman (05:01 PM) Buffy_04364: looking forward to thursday night also (05:01 PM) ppusa: Yes, it's Ensign (05:02 PM) beanman_1: With the new version of Ensign, you can see when the EOS will be (05:02 PM) ppusa: won't shut down (05:02 PM) Buffy_04364: yes you can (05:03 PM) beanman_1: can even alarm the EOS.. (05:03 PM) Buffy_04364: brb (05:03 PM) beanman_1: wiht a trendline (05:03 PM) ppusa: i hope all my data was saved. (05:04 PM) ppusa: What is the range on the nq night session? (05:04 PM) 4nq: 9 (05:04 PM) 4nq: nite all (05:04 PM) Ensign Software: just posted Ensign-2 chart with rest of NQ day on the Pyrapoint structure I posted earlier today Welcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders. Most of us follow methods taught at intelligentspeculator.com. We're here when "TRENDVUE TRADERS WKSHOP" is locked down for a paid session. You can post charts at www.DaCharts.com Spammers & hecklers get the boot. (05:06 PM) beanman_1: thks (05:06 PM) Ensign Software: you can then reset the name or number used for the upload and post a better image to replace the previous posting. (05:07 PM) Ensign Software: ND at 1638.00 now (05:07 PM) Ensign Software: pardon me, NQ (05:07 PM) Buffy_04364: need to upgrade beanman (05:07 PM) Ensign Software: 1 week is an old version in EW now (05:08 PM) Roger Schelling: Hi Howard...........Gee Judy and all , this is far too cool.......how many rooms get the software programer to hanging out......You just post away Howard...... Sure Glad you are here (05:08 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL yep it is (05:08 PM) Buffy_04364: we are too (05:08 PM) Roger Schelling: I just got the latest.....this cable modem.........is WAY GOOD :) (05:08 PM) Buffy_04364: glad it is working out for you roger (05:08 PM) Buffy_04364: it sure makes a dif (05:09 PM) Ensign Software: have had cable modem for 2 months now and really like it too. (05:09 PM) ppusa: Howard, I think it froze during the daily update. Had to turn off. Rebooted and thank gooodness didn't lose daily (05:09 PM) Roger Schelling: isn't that something.......upgrades a breeze now (05:09 PM) Ensign Software: ppusa, are you using eSignal? (05:09 PM) Buffy_04364: can get daily back anytime by reseting the servers (05:09 PM) beanman_1: To download means I have to shutdown and save.. (05:09 PM) ppusa: dtn (05:09 PM) Buffy_04364: no beanman (05:10 PM) Buffy_04364: download and click on the stall button (05:10 PM) ppusa: Buffy like I know what you just said!!! (05:10 PM) beanman_1: I need to shutdown Ensign... (05:10 PM) Ensign Software: ok, click menu SetUp | Computer and click on the buttons one at a time to redo the update and see which symbol it might be hangin on. (05:10 PM) Buffy_04364: oh sorry to hear that beanman so much easier when you don't (05:11 PM) Buffy_04364: I don't think it matters cause you don't have esignal like I do ppusa (05:11 PM) Buffy_04364: Iforgot that (05:11 PM) Buffy_04364: sorry (05:11 PM) beanman_1: I don't have this screen layout, templete thing down yet.. (05:11 PM) ppusa: futures or stocks. the others update later. (05:11 PM) ppusa: goodnight all. enough for today (05:11 PM) Buffy_04364: well lets see if we can help you there (05:11 PM) Ensign Software: which one goes first, click that button first and watch it go to completion, then try next button. (05:11 PM) Roger Schelling: beanman give me a call in private chat ....i can help you with templates (05:12 PM) SteveGTS: Howard, can you look at the alert on the bb spread? I wanted an alert or color bar when the spread was less than a number. It gave me one continious alert. (05:12 PM) Buffy_04364: see lots of help here beanman (05:12 PM) Buffy_04364: including Howard if we get stuck (05:12 PM) Buffy_04364: :-) (05:12 PM) Ensign Software: ok, steve, 1 moment, which I study code (05:12 PM) Ensign Software: while I study code (05:13 PM) SteveGTS: ok (05:13 PM) Roger Schelling: you can right click my name ,,beanman.......select private chat (05:13 PM) beanman_1: just did thatl.. (05:14 PM) beanman_1: Roger, you need to add me to buddy list.. (05:14 PM) Roger Schelling: ok done (05:16 PM) ppusa: Howard, they are both working okay for now. (05:21 PM) Ensign Software: ok, ppusa, click menu SetUp | Computer and change Free Memory Recovery to None. (05:24 PM) ppusa: that's where it is (05:24 PM) ppusa: this has happened before but very seldom (05:25 PM) Ensign Software: steve, go look at ensign-15 and ensign-16 images just posted. These are new choices for Alert object I just added to support your desire to trigger alert based on the spread. New version with this new stuff can be posted in an hour or so. (05:25 PM) ppusa: Where do I look for hardware report (05:25 PM) SteveGTS: ok, let me look (05:25 PM) Ensign Software: click menu Help | Hardware Report (05:26 PM) ppusa: I mean resources (05:26 PM) GGriz: Howard, can you do the same with the DI spread? (05:26 PM) ppusa: To check memory (05:27 PM) Ensign Software: you would have to use a Windows resource meter tool, but do not think that worth the bother. (05:27 PM) GGriz: alarm it, I mean (05:27 PM) Ensign Software: DI? is that Directional Movement Index spread? (05:27 PM) SteveGTS: great howard. Do I need to add the alert spread number as 2 or 200 like some of the other parameters (05:27 PM) ppusa: thought there was something else somewhere like my computer or something (05:27 PM) GGriz: yes, (05:28 PM) GGriz: one of the best momentum markers I have found is the behavior if +DI and -DI (05:28 PM) Ensign Software: enter the trigger level as the number format you see posted in the Study Data area of the chart. In my test I saw a typical value was 52 so I put in 50 as the trigger and got a great set of bullet markers when spread was above 50. (05:29 PM) Ensign Software: ok, ggiz, 1 moment, while I go look at code. (05:29 PM) SteveGTS: ok (05:30 PM) GGriz: Maybe even in conjunction with a color band study (05:30 PM) ppusa: Anyone have the range on the evening nqu session? Paltalk: Click banners to visit our sponsors. (05:31 PM) Ensign Software: all the spread values and crossing flags are already implemented for DI, ggriz, I do not need to add any more. Just go to town using the present selection available in the Alert object. (05:31 PM) GGriz: tnx (05:31 PM) GGriz: range tonight? (05:31 PM) Buffy_04364: low of 1631 (05:32 PM) Buffy_04364: hig of 1642 (05:32 PM) Ensign Software: low 1631 high 1642 (05:32 PM) GGriz: thanks for that Howard (05:32 PM) Buffy_04364: that what you are looking for ppusa? (05:33 PM) ppusa: Yes, thanks all and goodnight. (05:33 PM) Buffy_04364: night and see you tomorrow (05:33 PM) Ensign Software: bye, need to go tweak reselection of Notes to be easier to accomplish. Then I will upload new version for Steve's sake. Aug 14 already there so you will not see a version change. Just wait 90 minutes to download. That should give me enough time to get new upload posted. (05:34 PM) Buffy_04364: ok Howard (05:34 PM) Buffy_04364: thanks for your interest in retrotrader (05:34 PM) GGriz: I am nominating HA for the Guiness Book of World Records (05:35 PM) Buffy_04364: sounds good to me GGriz (05:38 PM) GGriz: u still by Buffy? (05:38 PM) Buffy_04364: still here (05:39 PM) dave_b_quick: g'nite all, the kid is kicking me off the computer to play games (05:39 PM) GGriz: well, good night All (05:39 PM) Buffy_04364: night Dave - you must be excited with Howards interest (05:39 PM) Buffy_04364: see you tomorrow (05:39 PM) dave_b_quick: ya, that's great (05:39 PM) Buffy_04364: sure is (05:39 PM) dave_b_quick: I had suggested to him to make a system wizard (05:40 PM) dave_b_quick: so you could enter any entry and exit parameters and back test it without any programing (05:40 PM) Buffy_04364: interesting thought (05:40 PM) dave_b_quick: but maybe he's starting to see there's a demand for it (05:40 PM) Buffy_04364: would make backtesting a heck of a lot easier (05:40 PM) dave_b_quick: lotta people trading untested ideas because they can't program or don't want to pay a programmer (05:41 PM) Buffy_04364: true there is (05:41 PM) dave_b_quick: dono what the percentage is, but it could be similar to the percentage of people who fail (05:41 PM) Buffy_04364: but also have to be careful of when market changes too (05:42 PM) Buffy_04364: the ones who fail usually don't have rules (05:42 PM) dave_b_quick: ya, nothing works under all conditions (05:42 PM) Buffy_04364: trade by seat of their pants (05:42 PM) dave_b_quick: ya (05:42 PM) Buffy_04364: well enjoy the evening (05:42 PM) Buffy_04364: fun day (05:42 PM) Buffy_04364: at least the first half (05:42 PM) dave_b_quick: g'nite, ya lotta things happening