Welcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders. Most of us follow methods taught at intelligentspeculator.com. We're here when "TRENDVUE TRADERS WKSHOP" is locked down for a paid session. You can post charts at www.DaCharts.com Spammers & hecklers get the boot. Paltalk: Go bannerless and support PalTalk! Subscribe today! Only $9.95 a year! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. GGriz: just got a note from ib that es is not available to trade, anyone know what's up with that? GGriz: hello? ispec_Pete77: Hello Griz GGriz: Hi, do you trade es? ispec_Pete77: Yes GGriz: do you know if the es problem is IB only, or universal? ispec_Pete77: Is there a problem this morning? ispec_Pete77: I am getting same ES numbers with IB and esignal GGriz: they flashed a bulletin saying it is NOT available to trade Paltalk: Please support our sponsors by clicking on banners. Buffy_04364: morning all ispec_Pete77: I dont see that - I get "no bulletings to view" ispec_Pete77: bulletins Buffy_04364: If we get the thunderstorms to break this heat wave they say we are going to I won't be on when they are happening Buffy_04364: PPI - talk of deflation now Buffy_04364: wouldn't want to be Greenie dave_b_quick: who's PPI? ispec_Pete77: Here in NW Ontario we got last of the thunderstrms day before yes,, very much cooler now Buffy_04364: it is one of the key reports for the feds along with the CCI dave_b_quick: thanks Buffy_04364: they are already issuing warnings about them Buffy_04364: the PPI was down more than expected but the core PPI was up double what expected Buffy_04364: should be interesting to see what the feds do on 8/21q Buffy_04364: did you talk GG? I didn't hear anything ispec_Pete77: Some noise from Griz but no talk Buffy_04364: PPI fell 0.9% with 0.3% expected. Core PPI ( excludes food and energy ) rose 0.2% with expected 0.1% markets dipped slightly on the report Buffy_04364: my son sent me that summary GGriz: spoos are down at IB Buffy_04364: 1628.75 pyra support and it bounced right off it Buffy_04364: hope that book comes today for the weekend Buffy_04364: nq at 1631 ispec_Pete77: Griz, now i get your IB bulletin dave_b_quick: in IB if you click on help/today's bulletins you get a list of all the bulletins and the times they were sent out GGriz: trying to find out if it's everywhere, can't get hold of pfg custo "service" GGriz: PFG says no problem trading ES there Daniel X: Good morning everyone coyote_4: no problem here either for proptrader or leo or proedge Daniel X: back in 15 min..breakfast Daniel X: going to be interesting with the bombings in Iraq. GGriz: Dave, when I click bulletins it says there were none! WTH? GGriz: IB is blaming globex dave_b_quick: under VIEW/Bulletins it only shows new bulletins, but under HELP/TODAYBULLETINS it should show all today's bulletins, I show 9 GGriz: gotcha ------ tnx Buffy_04364: So does Globex have a problem? gravestonedoggie: hi all GGriz: Buffy, it appears that IB has a problem with their globex connection ispecjh_1: hi gsd and all boomer_95: IB fine.... GGriz: yeah, IB is fine, but right now you can't trade ES there boomer_95: jus did...no problem Paltalk: Are banners a bummer and popups a pain? Cure your banner blues NOW for $9.95 a year! Click HELP on your Pal List then select Bannerless PalTalk to subscribe now! Buffy_04364: tks GGriz: great Boomer: maybe you could let IB know: they still say it's no go boomer_95: try restarting your software with IB Buffy_04364: ppusa - wanted to ask - do you use BS and SS or market orders to enter? GGriz: http://status.interactivebrokers.net/statuscgi/bb.pl Buffy_04364: Hope you get to post some charts this weekend Buffy_04364: same question for exits ppusa Buffy_04364: has someone else already asked him this and know the answer? ispecjh_1: I have the same message here on IB ppusa: hey guff ispecjh_1: ES and SPX are currently unavailable for trading ppusa: buff ppusa: was looking at a chart ppusa: market and limit ppusa: mostly ispec_Pete77: Stop Limit orders with IB are a pain ispec_Pete77: to enter ppusa: I like to use stops after some entries but usually I am looking for a P&F reversal, so I wait until I get one. I may have a lprofit or a loss by then, ispecjh_1: i guess nq is available though for trading on ib ppusa: Buffy, does that answer your question. Buffy_04364: yes tks which to you use the most to enter a position - market or buy stop Buffy_04364: or sell stop ppusa: market Buffy_04364: ty Buffy_04364: I was going over some of your stuff yesterday and thought so ppusa: with patsystem, sometimes i just go for the bid or ask ppusa: on exit,, lots of limit orders Buffy_04364: for the target right? Buffy_04364: or a set amount klonerdoug: i use ib and zap Buffy_04364: Dave, I copied the list under trader profile last night into an email. when done will send to you ppusa: both, with P&F the target klonerdoug: moved ib money to stock account for some shorts that ib had shares in Buffy_04364: thanks for the discussion ppusa Buffy_04364: hope you get to post some charts this weekend klonerdoug: but prefer ib overall ppusa: sometimes I watch because the target is an approximation. I will wait to see if therre might be more or less in the trade depending on other stuff klonerdoug: missed some entires using limits at zap yd (09:28 AM) Orprepus: morning - posted 60Mnq - bear flag (09:28 AM) ppusa: i have waited for a 10 tick reversal and got 9.5 and my lunch (09:29 AM) ppusa: that's why I always stress that I must know where I am in the trend. (09:29 AM) ppusa: hi OP (09:29 AM) dave_b_quick: thanks, buffy, i'll be looking for that profile. I was wondering if i might need to do it as an interview for some people who don't like forms (09:29 AM) Buffy_04364: what exactly are you referring to when you say tick reversal? (09:29 AM) Orprepus: hi buffy - (09:29 AM) Buffy_04364: hi O (09:30 AM) Orprepus: hi pp - hey what tf do you watch on your pnf (09:31 AM) Orprepus: and were trading (09:31 AM) Buffy_04364: nq tradomg at 1629.50 now (09:31 AM) Buffy_04364: so still in your flag O (09:31 AM) Buffy_04364: 1628.50 is pyra support on 4M (09:31 AM) Orprepus: yes it is such a nice one (09:32 AM) ppusa: if I have a ten tick "point" reversal chart it would be 2 ticks points whatever by 5 box reversal. (09:32 AM) ppusa: i watch a lot of PnF's (09:33 AM) ppusa: for instance my 30 point reversed last night at 50 (09:33 AM) ppusa: 10 points by 3 (09:33 AM) ppusa: off of 1620 (09:33 AM) Daniel X: ok pivot point @ 1632 1rst sup@ 1617 (09:33 AM) Buffy_04364: hmmm missing something - will read up on PnF this weekend maybe have more ? for you on Monday- thanks (09:33 AM) ppusa: we only got to 11 so it was going ny tens (09:34 AM) ppusa: you use ensign right (09:34 AM) ppusa: going by tens (09:35 AM) Buffy_04364: so you run different PnF - with different box sizes? is that what I am missing? (09:35 AM) ppusa: Orp, who is your software supplier. (09:35 AM) gravestonedoggie: i asked ib help about es, and they said it would be back in 15 minutes - they made it soundlike globex problem.. said 15 min at 9:25.. so would be 9:40 (09:35 AM) Daniel X: pushing thru Pivot (09:36 AM) ppusa: yes buffy (09:36 AM) Daniel X: 1654 Res1 (09:36 AM) Buffy_04364: great now maybe I can understand it all better (09:36 AM) Orprepus: Ensign & Esignal (09:36 AM) Buffy_04364: light dawned! (09:36 AM) Buffy_04364: sorry to be so slow here (09:36 AM) Daniel X: 43 PnF breakout # (09:37 AM) ppusa: that's why i have so many charts up. the disadvantage is I need one big one so I may add another monitor. (09:38 AM) ppusa: OK, so anyone who has Ensign just add a PnF study to a chart and follow me. (09:39 AM) Orprepus: great - what tf (09:39 AM) beanman_1: fyi, Globex is running fine... (09:39 AM) Orprepus: like this gap close (09:40 AM) ppusa: with nq I use 200 by 5 for the properties because 200 is 2 ticks with DTN and Ensign (09:40 AM) gravestonedoggie: ok, thnx beanman.... is ib es now ok? (09:40 AM) cctraderx: looks ok (09:40 AM) gravestonedoggie: thnx (09:41 AM) ppusa: time frame 1 minute...I'll wait a few minutes and we will do one. (09:42 AM) ppusa: Thanks Dan for the pivot cross, you made me an extra tick as I was going to pull the trigger on a long and hesitated after reading your remark. Paltalk: Click banners to visit our sponsors. (09:43 AM) Daniel X: wlcm lol (09:43 AM) Buffy_04364: thanks ppusa will set it up (09:43 AM) Orprepus: great - I know PnF will really help - thxs for doing this (09:44 AM) Daniel X: if we hold this pivot as support good for a long ..if not good for a short to 17 (09:46 AM) Daniel X: sell stop @ 27..buy stop @ 43.50 (09:46 AM) Daniel X: Retro's rules (09:47 AM) dave_b_quick: you using 2-3 tics outside the 1st bar, dan? (09:47 AM) Buffy_04364: TL work on PnF also right? (09:47 AM) GGriz: Daniel: from 1st 15m bar??? (09:47 AM) Daniel X: 1 tick (09:47 AM) klonerdoug: s 30 (09:48 AM) Daniel X: filled 27 (09:49 AM) timing 2: buffy i need a seminar on all this chienise stuff u on about , and i thought i am improving lol (09:49 AM) dave_b_quick: LOL (09:49 AM) Buffy_04364: LOL (09:50 AM) Buffy_04364: we will have to get together in here sometime after market hours or on the weekend (09:50 AM) timing 2: that will be great thanks (09:51 AM) Buffy_04364: all invited and we can share our knowledge and then no on will be speaking chinese anymore - gigle (09:51 AM) Daniel X: tuff to hold this (09:52 AM) timing 2: market wants to go higher strong suppurt so far (09:52 AM) Buffy_04364: pyra says you are ok from what I see (09:52 AM) ispec_Pete77: Globex OK on ES now (09:52 AM) Buffy_04364: but haven't read the book yet :-) (09:52 AM) Orprepus: db - 2m & 5M 25 (09:52 AM) dave_b_quick: when all else fails, read the instructions, buffy (09:53 AM) Buffy_04364: LOL that is why I hope it comes today to read this weekend (09:53 AM) Buffy_04364: hey look it was right LOL (09:53 AM) klonerdoug: flat 23 (09:53 AM) Daniel X: watch 17 (09:53 AM) ppusa: If Orp is right we will take out yesterdaay's low (09:53 AM) Orprepus: do they have a video - I do better with video (09:54 AM) Buffy_04364: no pyra doesn't that I know of (09:54 AM) dave_b_quick: ooh that would be nice pusa, but these summer fridays can be pretty uneventful too (09:54 AM) ppusa: right Orp, flag? (09:54 AM) timing 2: buffy go to the beach on weekend take the book wat book pyra lol (09:54 AM) Buffy_04364: will let you guys know if it comes (09:55 AM) Orprepus: yes - all index have same flag - very powerful indicator (09:55 AM) Buffy_04364: so ppusa you short when the PnF dropped below previous (09:55 AM) Daniel X: out +5 (09:55 AM) Buffy_04364: and do you wait for it to show or just trade below it (09:55 AM) timing 2: no beef on es today (09:56 AM) gravestonedoggie: es and nq both still within yesterday's very narrow trading range (09:56 AM) Buffy_04364: nice daniel it is bouncing but didn't go out of the pyra channel - will post (09:56 AM) timing 2: nice trade d.x (09:56 AM) ppusa: no I was typing something I am going to send in a minute. (09:57 AM) Buffy_04364: on it way (09:57 AM) timing 2: long es 1184 (09:58 AM) Buffy_04364: see what I mean Orprepus (09:58 AM) Daniel X: out again + 3 (09:59 AM) Buffy_04364: you are doing well daniel (09:59 AM) Orprepus: 4m - buffy (09:59 AM) Buffy_04364: yes (09:59 AM) Daniel X: 17 was the PP 1rst sup (09:59 AM) Buffy_04364: notice how this also moves it to another channel (09:59 AM) klonerdoug: nice t (=target) on that 17 (09:59 AM) Orprepus: see 17 dan (09:59 AM) Daniel X: thnx (10:00 AM) Orprepus: 2m moved to lower channel (10:00 AM) cctraderx: timing - what triggered long? (10:00 AM) ppusa: Wether or not the plug gets pulled, I would thiink their should be some kind a bounce. (10:00 AM) Orprepus: PP posted 1M PnF chart - take a look let me know if we are even close? (10:01 AM) jimbo_320: 1617 is yesterdays low, nq, 1178 yest low on es, still 7 points of on es, more down? (10:01 AM) Daniel X: retro would move his stop down from initail @ 32 to the high bounce coming up (10:01 AM) Daniel X: instead i will look for a re entry (10:02 AM) ppusa: ok Orp, look in a minute (10:02 AM) Orprepus: jim - thought 1611 low on NQ yesterday (10:03 AM) dave_b_quick: dan, my 1st 15m bar had a low of 1628, so i got short at 27.50 (10:03 AM) Daniel X: no bounce ! (10:03 AM) Daniel X: come on (10:04 AM) Daniel X: good DAVE (10:04 AM) dave_b_quick: my 15m high was different from yours too, 1642 (10:04 AM) Daniel X: i went 1 point instead of 1 tick (10:04 AM) Orprepus: yes three charts DB - I like it 161550 (10:04 AM) Buffy_04364: I am not close (10:04 AM) Buffy_04364: hmm (10:04 AM) ppusa: 1611 yesterday's low (10:05 AM) dave_b_quick: oh, ok. thot maybe our charts were different (10:05 AM) Daniel X: Dave my High was also 42 (10:05 AM) Buffy_04364: all session Orprepus or day session only? (10:05 AM) Daniel X: entry was 43 (10:05 AM) klonerdoug: 42 high intraday (10:05 AM) Daniel X: 1 tick i thought was 1 point (10:05 AM) Orprepus: day (10:06 AM) Buffy_04364: 1 tick is .50 (10:06 AM) dave_b_quick: maybe i should add a rule for retro to move stop to BE after some profit level (10:06 AM) Daniel X: come on need a bounce here (10:06 AM) Buffy_04364: Ithought (10:06 AM) jimbo_320: out +8 (10:06 AM) wlevicki: dave after 5 points go even stop (10:06 AM) ppusa: ma's steep decline on 5 minute (10:07 AM) Buffy_04364: posted another pyra (10:07 AM) Daniel X: 2 B out for Retro (10:07 AM) dave_b_quick: ya, i was thinking that wlev, but of course that would miss some of the elephant trades, too. (10:07 AM) ppusa: maybe start chopping sideways now (10:07 AM) Orprepus: thxs Buffy (10:07 AM) timing 2: gee they cant get a n upday?? for a change (10:07 AM) ppusa: nice call Orp on the flag (10:08 AM) dave_b_quick: ya, nice 60m chart, orp (10:08 AM) dave_b_quick: well, i guess i'll move my stop to BE now Welcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders. Most of us follow methods taught at intelligentspeculator.com. We're here when "TRENDVUE TRADERS WKSHOP" is locked down for a paid session. You can post charts at www.DaCharts.com Spammers & hecklers get the boot. (10:08 AM) Daniel X: @ 15 (10:09 AM) ppusa: yea, doesn't even take a PnF to figure this one out. (10:11 AM) jimbo_320: as far as 1600? (10:11 AM) ppusa: P and F's all in sell signals. I think based on trend, I would start lookiing for reversals. but this is where you could get into trouble. If we continue lower, there will only be a series of 4 to 6 tick bounces (10:11 AM) timing 2: anyone watch the trins or it not papular anymore (10:11 AM) jimbo_320: trins, macd oversold (10:12 AM) ppusa: should get a six tick revesal in here (10:12 AM) jimbo_320: stoc oversold (10:12 AM) ppusa: could be low of week. (10:12 AM) jimbo_320: would like to see es 1180 Paltalk: Love PalTalk but hate the banners and popups? Go bannerless! Only $9.95 per year! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. (10:12 AM) ppusa: I don't have any idea whether they can lean on this harder or not, (10:13 AM) dave_b_quick: so is this a stop run under YD low, or are we really going somewhere? (10:13 AM) Orprepus: taken bottom out of bear flag - need break of 1607 doe it to really run posted 60M NQ (10:14 AM) Daniel X: 1595 is PP 2nd sup (10:14 AM) timing 2: trins s sky high (10:14 AM) GGriz: spx S1 118087 (10:14 AM) wlevicki: the bear flag from 60 nq yesterday gets a good confirm break I hope to go QQQ puts for day or two (10:15 AM) klonerdoug: test (10:16 AM) ppusa: all we got there was a 4 tick bounce (10:16 AM) Daniel X: cannot beleive not in this !!! (10:16 AM) jimbo_320: 1178 (10:16 AM) dave_b_quick: retro doesn't have a stop-loss rule yet for when there are no 5m swing highs (10:16 AM) Buffy_04364: LOL better come up with something Dave (10:17 AM) Daniel X: Dave Iknow don't remind me!!LOL (10:17 AM) Orprepus: breaks up channel support on 60m - next is dn channel support 1600 - if close below - 1600 and 1580 possible (10:17 AM) jimbo_320: so are going on nq (10:17 AM) Buffy_04364: 3M would be high of 1613 on last swing (10:17 AM) Daniel X: Retro 27 points up (10:17 AM) jimbo_320: stops (10:17 AM) Daniel X: watch 95 (10:17 AM) ppusa: 1588.5 low on nas (10:17 AM) Buffy_04364: 1596.55 is pyra (10:17 AM) Orprepus: moves into lower dn channel (10:18 AM) Buffy_04364: just sent a pyra (10:18 AM) Daniel X: target hit (10:18 AM) Daniel X: like butter (10:19 AM) dave_b_quick: NQ testing swing low from 7/24 on daily (10:20 AM) Buffy_04364: 1590-1588 area (10:20 AM) Daniel X: going long (10:20 AM) wlevicki: lol that looks like a confirm break of the nq 60 min (10:20 AM) jimbo_320: tanking (10:21 AM) Daniel X: joking (10:21 AM) jimbo_320: es crashes through 1178 (10:21 AM) dave_b_quick: yr a riot dan (10:22 AM) Daniel X: PnF quad bottom breaks are the rarest signal and they are 85 % accurate (10:22 AM) wlevicki: remember days of old, if you short have good stop loss in, ol greenspan sure ruined some great shorts with his surprise cuts. (10:22 AM) wlevicki: if we keep tanking (10:23 AM) klonerdoug: sure hurt me good in jan greenie did (10:25 AM) EdwardB52: Can someone tell me their opinion on how many ES contracts this market can handle ? Are their fund managers trading 100 lots ? Or, is that too many contracts to move ? (10:26 AM) Daniel X: finaaly (10:26 AM) Daniel X: finally (10:26 AM) dave_b_quick: I was reading in "New Market Wizards" about a fund manager who routinely has 1000 positions in the big S&P (10:26 AM) jimbo_320: wow, thats the easiest 25 points i've ever made ! (10:26 AM) Daniel X: great JINBO!! (10:27 AM) ppusa: remember yesterday I said to easy to go long. Well, how about now. Little more difficult yes? (10:27 AM) Orprepus: nice jim (10:27 AM) EdwardB52: what about the E-mini ? (10:27 AM) jimbo_320: es is putting in a big hammer on the 15 minute (10:27 AM) Buffy_04364: nice Jimbo (10:28 AM) dave_b_quick: not sure how much of the SP volume is coming over to the e-mini's, but lotta people say sooner or later it will all come over (10:28 AM) ppusa: throughing out night sessions, the nq has 6 days lower lows, lower highs. (10:28 AM) ppusa: time to try some longs? (10:29 AM) Daniel X: ??????lol (10:29 AM) jimbo_320: after seeing that slide this morning, i'm giving the longs a miss (10:29 AM) ppusa: I bot 89.5 and rode to 10 tick reversal (94) (10:29 AM) Daniel X: 2nd PPsup@1695 let's see if it becomes res (10:30 AM) Daniel X: good...i called a long @ 85 jokingly (10:30 AM) jimbo_320: how retro doing so far? (10:30 AM) dave_b_quick: anybody know if there was any news involved in this slide? (10:30 AM) Daniel X: WAR (10:30 AM) dave_b_quick: retro short from 1627.50, hangin on for retest (10:31 AM) ppusa: I've noticed on days like this (higher high night, come in lower), they hammer it. (10:31 AM) Daniel X: bombings this AM by US and Brits in Iraq no fly zone (10:31 AM) ppusa: I think that's your news (10:31 AM) jimbo_320: 1178 -80 should find sellers (10:32 AM) dave_b_quick: they've bombed that so many times i'm surprised it would cause selling (10:33 AM) ppusa: The news I was referring to was based on my daily range commentnot the bombings (10:35 AM) ppusa: Be carefull shorting if we turn up because we may go though a series of PnF corrections. (10:35 AM) Daniel X: Bloomberg stated sell programs kicked in (10:35 AM) klonerdoug: well i blew many shorts entries on that action (10:36 AM) klonerdoug: 1610 was key trigger had so many tests (10:36 AM) Daniel X: me too looking for bounce that never came high enuff for me (10:36 AM) klonerdoug: paper traded 84 long too .... just too chicken today (10:37 AM) dave_b_quick: somebody bot it, doug (10:37 AM) klonerdoug: no question programs there and most sustained l2 selling on msft i've seen in 3 monthws (10:37 AM) jimbo_320: lost a few shorting the 95 flag (10:38 AM) klonerdoug: called long when msft paused at 63 (10:38 AM) klonerdoug: and started bounce ... oh well (10:40 AM) dave_b_quick: set my SL at top of 15m bar, and gonna take a walk Welcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders. Most of us follow methods taught at intelligentspeculator.com. We're here when "TRENDVUE TRADERS WKSHOP" is locked down for a paid session. You can post charts at www.DaCharts.com Spammers & hecklers get the boot. (10:41 AM) ppusa: normally, this is where we turn back down ()15 point bounce. I will pass on a short here. (10:42 AM) ppusa: 15 point Paltalk: Please support our sponsors by clicking on banners. (10:42 AM) ppusa: don't like being short after 6 down days (10:43 AM) Daniel X: under 95 if it acts as res (10:43 AM) jimbo_320: softee looks like a net stock LOL (10:43 AM) jimbo_320: emas not yet reached 1600 (10:44 AM) Daniel X: makes the call tougher (10:45 AM) jimbo_320: stocks look like they are in need of a rate cut (10:45 AM) Daniel X: 15 min insude (10:45 AM) Daniel X: inside bar (10:46 AM) ppusa: You guys will think I am whacko, but rather be long here than short. (10:46 AM) Daniel X: so sell 90 buy 62 (10:46 AM) Daniel X: sorry 1602 (10:47 AM) Orprepus: pp post another 1M PnF (10:47 AM) Daniel X: 1602 would be the buy on break out of previous 15 min bar (10:51 AM) ppusa: Orp, your box reversal is? (10:51 AM) ppusa: properties? (10:51 AM) Orprepus: 3 (10:51 AM) Orprepus: 200-box rev-3 (10:52 AM) ppusa: 6 tick (10:52 AM) klonerdoug: not at all wacko (10:52 AM) klonerdoug: prudent (10:53 AM) Orprepus: 6 tick? (10:53 AM) Buffy_04364: posted 3M (10:53 AM) ppusa: hang on, Imissed that short (10:54 AM) Daniel X: holding sup@ 95 (10:55 AM) Orprepus: sorry - we can do this later - if you wouldn't mind - Ii like buffy's idea about an after market exchange of trading ideas (10:55 AM) wlevicki: shorts should get nervouse here and cover up to at least a fib .38 retractment of the drop. imho, which is useally worng (10:55 AM) ppusa: oh well, bumping ma's. should turn down here but if we don't, look out shorts. (10:55 AM) Buffy_04364: nice flag on 3M (10:56 AM) jimbo_320: max tick on sell off only 700 (10:57 AM) dave_b_quick: ya, buffy, 5, 9, and 15 too (10:57 AM) Buffy_04364: yep second inside bar forming on 5 (11:00 AM) ppusa: looks like 1602 is the number. Above it, we turn up, below it, stay short. Is that correct? (11:00 AM) Daniel X: so far yes (11:00 AM) ppusa: swing high? (11:00 AM) klonerdoug: i have naz tick -1126 lod (11:00 AM) Daniel X: but sitting on the fench@ 1695 being 2nd sup (11:01 AM) klonerdoug: at 1020 about (11:02 AM) jimbo_320: nyse tick -700 (11:02 AM) rambler_12: 1595? (11:02 AM) Daniel X: yes (11:02 AM) dave_b_quick: finally have a respectable 5m swing high (11:02 AM) Daniel X: pivot point 2nd support (11:02 AM) Orprepus: 2b forming? (11:03 AM) dave_b_quick: on test of LOD, orp? (11:03 AM) Buffy_04364: maybe if it takes it out by a tick or two (11:04 AM) GGriz: what's 2b ?? (11:05 AM) Buffy_04364: test of low that holds (11:05 AM) Buffy_04364: after going through a tick or two (11:05 AM) Buffy_04364: if happens will post a chart (11:05 AM) dave_b_quick: griz, 2B is a Trader Vic term for a spring, or failed test after penetration of previous hi or lo (11:05 AM) ppusa: Orp, took me awhile to narch the time frames but yes, that is your six point (tick) reversal chart (11:05 AM) Buffy_04364: much better Dave! :-) (11:05 AM) Orprepus: thxs dave (11:05 AM) GGriz: tnx (11:06 AM) Orprepus: yeeha - thxs pp (11:06 AM) ppusa: narch, match so i can't spell (11:06 AM) dave_b_quick: lotta people have been asking me about "what's a 2B" after i used it in the rules for retrotrader (11:06 AM) Orprepus: we still need to get that rt speel checker for pal talk (11:06 AM) Buffy_04364: posted a pyra (11:07 AM) ppusa: ok, see how we had a series of buy signals that ended in a sell? (11:07 AM) ppusa: i could only imagine what words they would suggest for narch (11:07 AM) dave_b_quick: I like Teresa's trigger rules to initiate a trade off a 2B, they've given me my best trades (11:07 AM) Orprepus: LOL (11:08 AM) Orprepus: Yes T's rule is very effective (11:08 AM) ppusa: see that sell orp? (11:08 AM) Buffy_04364: sure is (11:08 AM) jimbo_320: volume setting up for pot 2B (11:09 AM) Orprepus: pp - 7 buy signals ? (11:11 AM) ppusa: after we hit low, reversed up, then down, then up, then down, then up, then into a sell (11:12 AM) Daniel X: \\ (11:12 AM) Daniel X: // (11:12 AM) ppusa: a buy sig is when you exceed previous high. Sell, break previous reversallow. (11:12 AM) Daniel X: \\ (11:12 AM) Daniel X: // (11:12 AM) Daniel X: \\ (11:12 AM) ppusa: yea, yea Paltalk: Press the INVITE button NOW! Get your friends in on the fun! Invite them to join us on PalTalk today! (11:14 AM) gravestonedoggie: es fry pan (11:16 AM) dave_b_quick: maybe a 1-2-3 instead of 2B Welcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders. Most of us follow methods taught at intelligentspeculator.com. We're here when "TRENDVUE TRADERS WKSHOP" is locked down for a paid session. You can post charts at www.DaCharts.com Spammers & hecklers get the boot. (11:16 AM) Walt299-WA: Private room ??? (11:17 AM) dave_b_quick: welcome, walt (11:17 AM) dave_b_quick: we're index traders (11:17 AM) Walt299-WA: Hi ..! (11:17 AM) Buffy_04364: ppusa let us know when you want to hold a session on this - we can all start with blank layouts and set it up as you tell us to then discuss (11:17 AM) ppusa: ok but today right here is a classic (11:17 AM) Walt299-WA: ok.....I'm just puttin around the trading rooms......seein what peeps are up to..... (11:18 AM) dave_b_quick: what're you trading? (11:18 AM) ppusa: it shows exactly how you can get buried (11:18 AM) Buffy_04364: Gee weather channel has this whole area in red for severe storms - want to go get my grandson some time today for the night (11:19 AM) Daniel X: buy limit@ 1607 (11:19 AM) dave_b_quick: 1-2-3 reversal confirmation by T's rule would be 1602.50 (11:19 AM) Daniel X: looking for breakout of 15 min down bar (11:19 AM) jimbo_320: gotta cross those emas first (11:21 AM) jimbo_320: retro, r u the same dave_b_quik in the coffee shop? (11:22 AM) dave_b_quick: ya, are u the same jimbo? (11:23 AM) Daniel X: notice how the 2nd pivot support or any for that matter act like magnets in this time period (11:24 AM) jimbo_320: na, some other dude :-) (11:26 AM) dave_b_quick: LOL (11:26 AM) Buffy_04364: made a higher low on last swing down (11:26 AM) rambler_12: ya im the jimbo in the coffee shop : ) (11:26 AM) Buffy_04364: but not making a higher high yet (11:28 AM) dave_b_quick: so cud be reversal or just triangle (11:28 AM) Buffy_04364: yep (11:29 AM) jimbo_320: dave - not chop til the close, please no ... (11:29 AM) Buffy_04364: time line on pyra (11:29 AM) Buffy_04364: posted (11:30 AM) elly_34: anyone follow Carolyn Boroden or Robert Miner's work? (11:30 AM) beanman_1: Yes.. spent a couples of months in CB's private chatroom (11:31 AM) elly_34: what did u think beanman? (11:31 AM) elly_34: useful? (11:31 AM) klonerdoug: thoughts here? naz wise heading into dmz/deadzone (11:31 AM) beanman_1: very good, cost about 300mth. learn alot about symmetry, sychnocity with time and price, etc (11:32 AM) Buffy_04364: need to know if higher high first (11:32 AM) elly_34: thk u (11:32 AM) Buffy_04364: test of last swing high coming up for sure (11:32 AM) dave_b_quick: out +25 (11:33 AM) wlevicki: nice (11:33 AM) elly_34: very nice (11:33 AM) Buffy_04364: also testing bottom of the flag on earlier chart (11:33 AM) elly_34: what kind of entry if u have a min? (11:34 AM) wlevicki: elly his stuff is here also http://www.dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart.com/retrotrader.htm (11:34 AM) beanman_1: CB privides the numbers RT of clusters, you still have to have/use your own trigger, she is better suited for swing trading intraday IMO (11:34 AM) Buffy_04364: 1596 would of been out on higher low on 5M Dave how does that compare with where you did get out? (11:34 AM) elly_34: oh this is the retro? (11:35 AM) elly_34: thk u (11:35 AM) Buffy_04364: yes it is (11:35 AM) rambler_12: we 2 busy for mics siyad (11:35 AM) timing 2: siyad selling carpets (11:35 AM) Buffy_04364: we are trying to refine retos outs - all are offering suggestions (11:36 AM) Siyad: no (11:36 AM) Siyad: u want carpets? (11:36 AM) Buffy_04364: time line on pyra nice warning something may happen (11:36 AM) timing 2: soory no (11:36 AM) rambler_12: camels? (11:36 AM) Siyad: ur buisiness? (11:37 AM) gravestonedoggie: candlesticks (11:37 AM) Siyad: hello imins (11:37 AM) gravestonedoggie: want some? (11:37 AM) timing 2: trading camels (11:37 AM) rambler_12: financial instruments (11:37 AM) Siyad: camels? (11:37 AM) dave_b_quick: some very astute camel traders here (11:37 AM) Siyad: pls expline (11:37 AM) rambler_12: u sound arabic--sorry : ) (11:37 AM) timing 2: e mini camels lol (11:37 AM) gravestonedoggie: trade sticks for carpets (11:37 AM) Siyad: u from arabia? (11:38 AM) dave_b_quick: "camel trader" is an expression for a wise business person (11:38 AM) gravestonedoggie: we money back and forth... no goods (11:38 AM) klonerdoug: true dave? (11:38 AM) dave_b_quick: siyad, we trade index futures (11:38 AM) rambler_12: hav e friends wo are arabic (11:38 AM) gravestonedoggie: sorry (11:39 AM) Siyad: pls expline dave (11:39 AM) dave_b_quick: sure, kloner, i count you as a true camel trader (11:39 AM) gravestonedoggie: sort of like if you jsut trading the financing for the carpets, and jsut forgot about actually dealing in the carptes any more (11:39 AM) rambler_12: sorta like stock insurance (11:39 AM) dave_b_quick: siyad, index futures are a financial derivative of the stock indexes, traded on an exchange through a brokerage account (11:40 AM) timing 2: short camels (11:40 AM) Siyad: how much? (11:41 AM) gravestonedoggie: roughly $40,000 lots (11:41 AM) dave_b_quick: have you heard of the Nasdaq100 index, Siyad? (11:41 AM) Siyad: no dave (11:41 AM) Orprepus: www.cme.com (11:41 AM) dave_b_quick: where you located, siyad? (11:41 AM) Siyad: india (11:42 AM) Siyad: u? (11:42 AM) dave_b_quick: buffalo, new york, usa (11:42 AM) gravestonedoggie: do you have a bhorpal index there? is tht the name? (11:42 AM) Siyad: ur buisiness? (11:42 AM) jimbo_320: anyone long 1600? Paltalk: You DO have a choice! Buy bannerless to end your popup blues today! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. Only $9.95 a year! That's less than THREE CENTS per day! WOW!!! (11:43 AM) Siyad: hello dave (11:43 AM) dave_b_quick: trader (11:44 AM) Siyad: which type trading? (11:44 AM) gravestonedoggie: financial instruments (11:44 AM) dave_b_quick: buy/sell stock market index (11:44 AM) gravestonedoggie: shares of compnaies (11:44 AM) gravestonedoggie: in an index (11:44 AM) gravestonedoggie: which is a basket of company shares (11:44 AM) Siyad: hello dave (11:45 AM) gravestonedoggie: hehe (11:45 AM) rambler_12: is the basket made in india? (11:46 AM) gravestonedoggie: guess not (11:46 AM) dave_b_quick: siyad, you sell carpets? (11:46 AM) Daniel X: get your boots on (11:46 AM) wlevicki: Daniel X how is your style retro doing today (11:46 AM) wlevicki: doing some paper similar to yours (11:46 AM) Siyad: currently no (11:46 AM) Daniel X: same (11:46 AM) gravestonedoggie: no boots on carpet (11:47 AM) Daniel X: filled 2 7 (11:47 AM) Daniel X: filled@7 (11:47 AM) ppusa: You know if we were to continue higher and we were up mnday because we have six days down, don't you think you would hind sight this as a 3B on nas? (11:47 AM) Siyad: have u want carpet dave? (11:47 AM) dave_b_quick: flying carpet would be nice... (11:48 AM) timing 2: lol (11:48 AM) jimbo_320: target is 17.5 (11:48 AM) Siyad: flaying carpet (11:48 AM) Daniel X: ditto (11:48 AM) wlevicki: 1613.50 .38% retractment +- of high/low of day (11:49 AM) ppusa: thru yester low (11:49 AM) ppusa: at yester low (11:49 AM) Daniel X: not by enuff thou (11:49 AM) GGriz: frozen-chicken-Griz takes and closes first trade of month (11:49 AM) ppusa: sure looks like we should at lest get a pull back (11:49 AM) wlevicki: GGriz i hope green :) (11:50 AM) jimbo_320: out +11 (11:50 AM) klonerdoug: nice jimbo from 1600? (11:50 AM) jimbo_320: yep (11:50 AM) Daniel X: out +5 (11:50 AM) Daniel X: 4.5 (11:50 AM) jimbo_320: didnt make my 17.5 target (11:51 AM) jimbo_320: also long some rfmd from 27 (11:52 AM) ab_18: Great ggriz now show no emotion (11:52 AM) Orprepus: taking break - food (11:52 AM) ab_18: this should be normal for us (11:53 AM) jimbo_320: tick did not validate that last move up (11:53 AM) wlevicki: sorry about the .38% retractment, my tool was put wrong on chart, no more posts by me till sure, some body slap me (11:53 AM) Daniel X: tish tish tish (11:54 AM) Buffy_04364: look at just posted pyra - starting to use it for trading now - go out on hitting resistance (11:54 AM) Daniel X: i had 12 as 50% retrace from selloff (11:54 AM) Daniel X: ditto Buffy (11:54 AM) ppusa: where did you go long from, I've been side tracked. (11:54 AM) Buffy_04364: 1612.25 was pyra resistance (11:54 AM) klonerdoug: didn't but a/d slow climb did ... definite sellers there at 12 that time almost shorted there but upside prevented me Welcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders. Most of us follow methods taught at intelligentspeculator.com. We're here when "TRENDVUE TRADERS WKSHOP" is locked down for a paid session. You can post charts at www.DaCharts.com Spammers & hecklers get the boot. (11:57 AM) Buffy_04364: we are now walking the up channel in pyra (11:57 AM) ppusa: we are close to the 200 bar 5 ma. Usually good place to go short, (11:57 AM) ppusa: i can't short six days down (11:58 AM) ppusa: chicken, buck, buck (11:59 AM) GGriz: chicken little loses 2.5 (11:59 AM) dave_b_quick: is Tack here, who posted the NQ candle charts? (11:59 AM) ppusa: low for hour 98 (12:00 PM) Buffy_04364: gee, we still don't know who that is Dave? (12:00 PM) Buffy_04364: nice charts (12:01 PM) rambler_12: not i (12:01 PM) dave_b_quick: ya, i liked the overlay idea (12:02 PM) Buffy_04364: I would include the sox on it (12:02 PM) dave_b_quick: anybody sell the NQ5m 2B top? (12:02 PM) Daniel X: 98 looking like the short @ 97 (12:02 PM) Daniel X: if that makes any senseLOL (12:02 PM) Buffy_04364: yep short again here (12:03 PM) Buffy_04364: 1608.50 here (12:03 PM) Daniel X: DAVE didn;t RETRO? (12:03 PM) Buffy_04364: mikes trick of letting it go through and then if it goes through again jump on (12:03 PM) Buffy_04364: out (12:04 PM) ppusa: was the 2b at 06? (12:04 PM) dave_b_quick: i did, but retro would only use that as an exit (12:04 PM) Daniel X: oh ok (12:04 PM) Daniel X: thnx (12:04 PM) jimbo_320: lot of follow though on that 2B (12:05 PM) jimbo_320: i am taking lunch while i'm ahead, laters all (12:05 PM) ppusa: hour chart looked like 98 should go (12:05 PM) ppusa: but now? (12:05 PM) Daniel X: 20EMA @ 98 (12:06 PM) ppusa: Dave, was the 2B at 06? after the inside bar? (12:06 PM) Daniel X: 95 is sup (12:07 PM) Daniel X: 10 no? (12:07 PM) Daniel X: same as PnF (12:08 PM) Daniel X: H&S starting @ 10:18 this morn? (12:08 PM) Daniel X: coming to neckline @ 90 (12:12 PM) Buffy_04364: new pyra posted (12:12 PM) Daniel X: Buffy can you confirm what the @B # is for us new @Bs? (12:13 PM) Buffy_04364: ? Paltalk: To visit our sponsors, click on banners! (12:13 PM) rambler_12: i can p but i cant f (12:13 PM) Daniel X: soory 2Bs (12:13 PM) Daniel X: the 2B # (12:13 PM) Buffy_04364: for me it never did one (12:13 PM) Daniel X: no? (12:13 PM) Buffy_04364: a true 2b has to take out whatever it is testing by a tick or two (12:14 PM) Buffy_04364: and then do something (12:14 PM) Buffy_04364: where do you think there is one? (12:15 PM) Daniel X: 10 (12:16 PM) Daniel X: failed 2B...2B or not 2B (12:16 PM) Buffy_04364: at 1610? (12:16 PM) Daniel X: yes (12:16 PM) Daniel X: guess not (12:17 PM) Buffy_04364: I show it hitting a swing low from yesterday then but not a 2B (12:17 PM) ppusa: 2b 1610 i min. 2b 06 5 min (12:17 PM) Daniel X: thnx (12:20 PM) Daniel X: we're back inside the huge 15 min down bar (12:22 PM) harrisonabuk: audio test please (12:23 PM) beanman_1: Buffy, I spent a day in Kansas several weeks ago with Don Hall the author/developer of Pyrapoint, unlike his book, on the shorter TF's he constantly re-anchors Pyra on the swing/pivot high lows on a 4min (12:23 PM) gravestonedoggie: hehe (12:23 PM) Buffy_04364: I just did mine a few days ago (12:23 PM) Buffy_04364: but thanks beanman (12:23 PM) Buffy_04364: also just posted 1 with a 2B lines on it (12:24 PM) Buffy_04364: 1m that is (12:24 PM) gravestonedoggie: wont display for some reason (12:25 PM) ppusa: buffy, how do you get a 4 min on ensign? Maybe it's in the upgrade. I only show 1, 2, 3, 5. (12:25 PM) Buffy_04364: ok will redo thanks (12:25 PM) Buffy_04364: see if that one works (12:26 PM) Buffy_04364: when you click on the T for time there is a set button - just changed one I don't use to 4M (12:26 PM) Buffy_04364: Dave why would my charts all of sudden show page will not display??? (12:27 PM) ppusa: must be in upgrade. I don't have set button. thanks (12:28 PM) Buffy_04364: you can also do on older version in setup/charts (12:28 PM) Buffy_04364: that is where mine was done originally (12:29 PM) ppusa: that works, thanks (12:30 PM) ppusa: just bot that low (12:30 PM) Buffy_04364: great (12:30 PM) ppusa: now what? (12:30 PM) wlevicki: I went long on puts on the low also (12:31 PM) ppusa: have sell in (12:32 PM) ppusa: out (12:32 PM) ppusa: just started a new hour (12:32 PM) klonerdoug: this 1600 has test at 1215 ... u playin range ppusa? (12:33 PM) ppusa: i don't know what i am doing today (12:33 PM) Buffy_04364: just tried that 1M again - don't make the heading 1M 2B? NO ? is allowed (12:33 PM) Buffy_04364: so you can see it now (12:34 PM) klonerdoug: deadzone scares me ... but just trying to see the setup pp ... don't let me shake u (12:34 PM) ppusa: I am as I have said bullish on the 6 days down thing. (12:35 PM) ppusa: but I could see another low easy (12:35 PM) ppusa: trying to play extreme of swings (12:36 PM) ppusa: Holding a long (12:37 PM) Daniel X: from if u don't mind? (12:37 PM) ppusa: 1600 (12:37 PM) Daniel X: thnx (12:37 PM) Buffy_04364: ditto pp (12:37 PM) ppusa: that spike that just occured - high for hour. (12:37 PM) Buffy_04364: out of mine (12:38 PM) Daniel X: 15 min having a hard time taking out the 40 ema (12:38 PM) Buffy_04364: there is another 2B on the 1M if someone wants me to draw lines on it also (12:39 PM) GGriz: Griz got back half$ -----> quick way to go broke (12:39 PM) ppusa: what price? (12:39 PM) Buffy_04364: u asking me ppusa? (12:39 PM) Buffy_04364: 1606.72 (12:40 PM) Buffy_04364: if u are (12:40 PM) ppusa: 2B at 1606.72? (12:41 PM) wlevicki: when you get a chance could you post that in a chart i do not see these (12:41 PM) wlevicki: from my understandings (12:41 PM) klonerdoug: i think the 3' 20 ma bounce is key here (12:42 PM) Daniel X: Buffy what do your yellow bars represent..i see green ,red and yellow? (12:42 PM) klonerdoug: 20 ema sorry on 3 min nq Paltalk: Subscribe to bannerless to stop the popups today! Get it NOW for less than THREE CENTS a day! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. (12:44 PM) Buffy_04364: done with notes this time too (12:44 PM) Buffy_04364: yellow is inside bars (12:45 PM) Daniel X: thnx (12:45 PM) Buffy_04364: dunnigan option in ensign (12:45 PM) Buffy_04364: so right where the word test is is where you would be looking for a 2B (12:46 PM) Buffy_04364: tighten stops if long etc (12:46 PM) ab_18: is minus key on number pad toggle (12:46 PM) Buffy_04364: this one went through (12:46 PM) Buffy_04364: for what (12:46 PM) ab_18: color bars (12:46 PM) Buffy_04364: if it is I didn't know of it (12:47 PM) Buffy_04364: minus sign means a tick chart and not a Minute chart (12:47 PM) Buffy_04364: before a number (12:47 PM) ppusa: Hey Dan, on this inside bar stuff. We are inside on 30 minute and 60 minute from this morning, Do they usually continue because if we break 1622 on 30 minute, one could conclude we would break 1642 inside bar on hour. (12:48 PM) Buffy_04364: inside bars usually mean it is winding up for something (12:48 PM) ab_18: I accidently touched minus key instead of asterisk on number pad (12:48 PM) ppusa: Then i assume we would break HOD, then 1800, then Nasdaq 5000. (12:48 PM) Daniel X: based on Retro's style the strongest signals were breakouts of previous 15 min bar (12:48 PM) Buffy_04364: break of 45 miute inside bar is usually powerful haven't seen it fail once but there is always a first time (12:48 PM) Buffy_04364: yep (12:49 PM) Daniel X: inside bars that is (12:49 PM) ppusa: Serious though we have inside on 30 and 60. (12:49 PM) klonerdoug: flat here but i didn't like the 1600 short (12:49 PM) klonerdoug: liked long better (12:49 PM) ppusa: Long (12:49 PM) ppusa: holding until tomorrow (12:50 PM) ppusa: maybe (12:51 PM) rambler_12: <------remembers this is friday (12:51 PM) Daniel X: oh i do (12:51 PM) ppusa: oh yea, monday (12:51 PM) ab_18: Would have looked better if congested longer. Then afternoon rally (12:52 PM) ppusa: the train was an hour early (12:52 PM) Daniel X: no way (12:53 PM) Daniel X: 1604 was the PnF # (12:54 PM) ppusa: y (12:54 PM) Daniel X: +.5 higher...a 2B ? (12:54 PM) ppusa: but we had one just before that too (12:54 PM) Daniel X: 2b or not 2b BUFFY? (12:54 PM) klonerdoug: good going pp ... target? (12:54 PM) Buffy_04364: just posted chart of 2B on 3M (12:55 PM) Buffy_04364: yes it is (12:55 PM) dave_b_quick: ya was watching that on 5m and 3m (12:55 PM) ppusa: 1800 (12:55 PM) klonerdoug: that 1610-12 # has been around few days now (12:55 PM) klonerdoug: oh ok wow (12:55 PM) Buffy_04364: does the chart help explain it? (12:56 PM) Buffy_04364: break of a trend (12:56 PM) Buffy_04364: put line on last high (12:56 PM) GGriz: Griz gets 1/4$ (12:56 PM) ppusa: I could give you a 2 cent scenario (12:56 PM) Daniel X: finger on the trigger (12:56 PM) Buffy_04364: when break of trend reverses (12:56 PM) Buffy_04364: put line on last low (12:56 PM) Buffy_04364: now you wait for 2B (12:56 PM) ppusa: doesn't mean we wouldn't have plenty of pull backs (12:56 PM) Buffy_04364: in reverse for down (12:57 PM) ab_18: early morn lows 2 days ago es 1190's nq 1680's maybe target (12:57 PM) Buffy_04364: if it doesn't go down like it should it usually goes up (12:57 PM) ab_18: y (12:57 PM) Buffy_04364: reverse for if at bottom (12:57 PM) Daniel X: 1 min PnF printing lower highs (12:57 PM) ppusa: retracement (12:58 PM) Daniel X: ditto (12:58 PM) Daniel X: maybe (12:58 PM) Buffy_04364: love that pyra (12:58 PM) Buffy_04364: anyone want a post of it? (12:58 PM) ppusa: reminds me of the other day where we kept falling pausing on each support area. (12:59 PM) ppusa: now we are rising hesitating at each resistance line (12:59 PM) Daniel X: pop (01:00 PM) ppusa: The 1800 scenario is very simple. If this day turns into an up after six days down, where do you think we would go next? (01:00 PM) GGriz: is this a rate cut???? (01:00 PM) ppusa: 22 high 30 min inside bar (01:00 PM) Daniel X: makes u wonder (01:01 PM) ppusa: o'bot here (01:01 PM) Buffy_04364: don't know but on the train (01:01 PM) Daniel X: lolol (01:01 PM) Daniel X: buffy (01:01 PM) ppusa: geez Louise (01:02 PM) ppusa: now what do we do (01:02 PM) cctraderx: ride em (01:02 PM) klonerdoug: squeezing (01:02 PM) Daniel X: sit on ur hands and cry (01:02 PM) cctraderx: like buffy (01:02 PM) Buffy_04364: pyra almost to time line (01:02 PM) ppusa: sold one (01:03 PM) Daniel X: Buffy 27 PP (01:03 PM) ppusa: will buy dip (01:03 PM) Buffy_04364: hitting top of channel in pyra (01:03 PM) Buffy_04364: out (01:03 PM) Daniel X: sorry 32 (01:03 PM) ppusa: trying for 18 maybe (01:03 PM) Daniel X: pivot point 32 (01:04 PM) Buffy_04364: storms are almost here so........ (01:04 PM) ppusa: that could be it. Period (01:04 PM) Buffy_04364: will stay on as long as I can (01:04 PM) ppusa: will explain later (01:05 PM) Buffy_04364: Don Hall said to line up pyra with a TL you would draw yourself (01:05 PM) Buffy_04364: love it when top of channel is also a trendline hit on 75T (01:05 PM) Buffy_04364: says it is right (01:05 PM) ppusa: there's 18 (01:06 PM) ppusa: will not reneter here (01:06 PM) Buffy_04364: can only take buys now MA have crossed - well almost on the 5m (01:06 PM) ppusa: reenter (01:06 PM) Buffy_04364: but lower ones they have (01:06 PM) ppusa: waiting (01:06 PM) Daniel X: 17 is s1 (01:06 PM) Buffy_04364: following pullback down with buy stops (01:07 PM) Buffy_04364: time line on pyra now (01:10 PM) Daniel X: all charts PnF Candke Pyra or other showing 17 or close to it as the # (01:10 PM) ppusa: let's assume 1800 is unrealistic. (01:10 PM) Daniel X: gotta hold it (01:10 PM) Buffy_04364: yes it does (01:10 PM) ppusa: And we don't go to new highs today (01:11 PM) ppusa: this pop would be the end. (01:11 PM) Buffy_04364: tks ppusa (01:11 PM) Buffy_04364: long agin (01:11 PM) ppusa: but there is that 6 day down thing (01:11 PM) ppusa: still holding one (01:12 PM) ppusa: (I had 2) (01:12 PM) Buffy_04364: remembering stuff like that has messed up Mike a few times too ppusa (01:12 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL (01:12 PM) ab_18: may rally nx wk (retracement) (01:12 PM) ppusa: what if we close today at 1680? Paltalk: Please visit our advertisers by clicking on banners. (01:13 PM) Daniel X: so Retro stop @ 16.50 1 tick below swing low (01:14 PM) ppusa: obviously i haven't a clue, i think it's important we just keep all this stuff in mind. (01:14 PM) ab_18: 1680 would help dow (01:14 PM) Buffy_04364: would think so daniel (01:14 PM) Buffy_04364: also swing low on 3M (01:15 PM) ab_18: retro sure helps perspective doesn't it (01:15 PM) ppusa: If you can't recognize a bottom when it slaps you in the face, then... (01:15 PM) Buffy_04364: now this is easily a 2B on the 75T (01:16 PM) cctraderx: buffy, could you post? (01:16 PM) ab_18: y (01:16 PM) ppusa: good resistance here (01:16 PM) Daniel X: out ...too long (01:17 PM) ppusa: 10 and 15 point P&F's possibly due for corrections (01:18 PM) Buffy_04364: will do (01:18 PM) ppusa: That pop was totally in the charts. From here, 50-50 (01:18 PM) ppusa: i was looking at the 30 point, same as yesterday (01:19 PM) ppusa: 1590 low + 30 = 1620 (01:19 PM) klonerdoug: yeah no feel from here for me could have ugly structure into close (01:20 PM) ppusa: i just bot back. (01:20 PM) ppusa: clueless (01:20 PM) ppusa: don't follow this (01:21 PM) ppusa: got the 10 point (01:21 PM) jimbo_320: es takes out the high when i'm gone ! (01:22 PM) Buffy_04364: on its way (01:22 PM) ppusa: now same as yesterday do we go higher and get the 15 from above, or lower and get it from beneath (01:22 PM) cctraderx: t y buffy (01:22 PM) Buffy_04364: u welc (01:22 PM) Buffy_04364: hope it helps (01:23 PM) cctraderx: yes it does (01:24 PM) Orprepus: back - oh my (01:25 PM) Buffy_04364: the minute it started back up I could draw that low line (01:25 PM) Orprepus: hey buffy what was the name of the last chart you post - you are the posting queen - thxs (01:25 PM) Buffy_04364: 2b - 75T setup failed (01:25 PM) Buffy_04364: tks (01:25 PM) jimbo_320: 1193 on the tick, whats going on this is a friday ! (01:26 PM) Orprepus: thx (01:26 PM) Buffy_04364: just pay attention to the red lines (01:26 PM) gravestonedoggie: es 15 min chart shows true 2b at bottom (01:26 PM) Buffy_04364: is this a bear flag?? (01:26 PM) Orprepus: buffy - nice chart (01:27 PM) Buffy_04364: tks (01:27 PM) Buffy_04364: T taught me well :-) (01:27 PM) Buffy_04364: top of channel in pyra (01:27 PM) cctraderx: y, or U learned very well (01:28 PM) Buffy_04364: I used to send charts to Mike and T and ask if I did it right LOL (01:28 PM) Daniel X: what's the poke # on PYRA Buffy? (01:28 PM) Buffy_04364: 1622 (01:28 PM) Buffy_04364: hasn't poked yet (01:28 PM) Buffy_04364: just hitting it (01:28 PM) Daniel X: thnx (01:28 PM) Buffy_04364: chart? (01:29 PM) ppusa: 5 minute bull flag? (01:30 PM) ppusa: or failure? (01:30 PM) Buffy_04364: harder to se on that tf easier on 1M and 75T (01:30 PM) Buffy_04364: there on 3m also (01:31 PM) Buffy_04364: going for 3rd test (01:31 PM) ppusa: flag (01:31 PM) Buffy_04364: now took out that high by a few ticks (01:31 PM) Buffy_04364: what is it oging to do (01:32 PM) Buffy_04364: in retro this is the true 2B test (01:32 PM) cctraderx: dow is moving up (01:32 PM) ppusa: take out the high of the 60 min bar (01:32 PM) Buffy_04364: other was a fakout (01:32 PM) Buffy_04364: long off poke (01:32 PM) Daniel X: ditto (01:32 PM) Daniel X: watch 32 (01:33 PM) ppusa: dow up 116 (01:33 PM) jimbo_320: looks like the bottom is in (01:33 PM) ppusa: 1800 here we come (01:33 PM) 4nq: Hi (01:34 PM) ppusa: obot (01:34 PM) Buffy_04364: 1628.75 was resistance (01:34 PM) Daniel X: 32 pivot point (01:35 PM) Buffy_04364: it is also a TL on 75T (01:35 PM) Daniel X: out +5 (01:35 PM) ppusa: out too (01:35 PM) ppusa: buying pull back (01:35 PM) ppusa: if there is one (01:35 PM) Buffy_04364: yep me too (01:35 PM) Daniel X: that # would be 27 (01:36 PM) Daniel X: ?? (01:36 PM) ppusa: should get 10 to 15 tick pb (01:37 PM) ppusa: could be only 6 to start with (01:37 PM) ppusa: don't know (01:37 PM) Buffy_04364: might go back and test that high line (01:37 PM) Buffy_04364: have to wait and see (01:38 PM) ppusa: hour low 20.5looks like it could go (01:38 PM) 4nq: covering 25% (01:39 PM) Daniel X: $NQ how are yah...good to see y here. (01:39 PM) ppusa: anyone looking for 1800 would get baggged here (01:39 PM) 4nq: thx (01:39 PM) 4nq: having a bit of internet lag here (01:39 PM) Daniel X: always forget to take my finger of the shift key4NQ (01:39 PM) ppusa: couold have been a short opportunity (01:39 PM) Buffy_04364: RAZ nice chart what are your color bands? (01:40 PM) Daniel X: sorry to hear that..r u on the east coast? (01:40 PM) 4nq: me ,no (01:40 PM) Daniel X: oh ok (01:40 PM) 4nq: west coast (01:40 PM) Buffy_04364: I know mine has been acting funny on and off and chalking it up to the storms (01:40 PM) 4nq: 24 bid to cover runners (01:41 PM) Daniel X: ditto Buffy east coast upgrades etc etc (01:41 PM) Buffy_04364: has to hold this (01:41 PM) 4nq: flat now (01:41 PM) Buffy_04364: can hear thunder (01:41 PM) Buffy_04364: wish storms weren't coming until later (01:41 PM) Buffy_04364: if it doesn't hold this it will go into downchannel on pyra (01:42 PM) Daniel X: had em last night (01:42 PM) Buffy_04364: and also not hold that high line on 75T chart that has to become support now Paltalk: Your friends are just a click away! Press the invite button NOW! (01:43 PM) 4nq: the 29 pivot "held"........normal over reaction by some (01:43 PM) Daniel X: u mean 29 held as res (01:43 PM) Buffy_04364: who is going to win this one pyra or TL? (01:43 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL (01:44 PM) Daniel X: or PnF (01:44 PM) Daniel X: lol (01:44 PM) Buffy_04364: lol (01:44 PM) Daniel X: or BB (01:44 PM) ppusa: P&F was just good for ten (01:44 PM) 4nq: put a butterfly on.........lol (01:46 PM) dave_b_quick: LOL 4nq you old options trader? (01:46 PM) Daniel X: PnF made me cut the long ..have to get use to going the other way at the same time (01:46 PM) 4nq: think this rally was PPT inspired??...........until they hit some stps? (01:46 PM) Daniel X: PPT? (01:46 PM) 4nq: well, I'm old (01:47 PM) bigrexxx: glenn would prob say CPT crash protection team- they ran msft all the way back and MMM way up for the dow (01:47 PM) 4nq: butterflys' precede CBOE by many a year (01:47 PM) Daniel X: 19 looks like the sel (01:47 PM) bigrexxx: xoi.x doing it all for spooz many big cap oil stocks (01:48 PM) dave_b_quick: 15m 2B? (01:48 PM) bigrexxx: oil futs were +.71 last i looked (01:49 PM) bigrexxx: spooz on outside day here (01:49 PM) 4nq: my guess Nas is doomed to Apr lows at least........ (01:50 PM) Buffy_04364: pyra won I see LOL (01:50 PM) bigrexxx: that .887 fib number around 1635 still good today on nq 5/22 to 7/24 range (01:51 PM) Daniel X: PnF showed 10 to 15 point reversal (01:51 PM) Buffy_04364: pnf won too (01:51 PM) Buffy_04364: love it (01:51 PM) Buffy_04364: what a room!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 (01:51 PM) ppusa: dan if you go the other way on short term PnF you'lll get whipped (01:51 PM) Daniel X: PPUSA confirmation plz (01:52 PM) Daniel X: lol (01:52 PM) Buffy_04364: 3m bounced of MQ quite nicely (01:52 PM) Buffy_04364: MA that is (01:53 PM) ppusa: they go into falso buy and sells constantly (01:53 PM) ppusa: false (01:53 PM) 4nq: short again (01:53 PM) Buffy_04364: time line coming up on pyra (01:54 PM) ppusa: We came off the 15 minuteMA too fast and i can see a further retracement down to it (01:54 PM) Daniel X: 15 min PnF breakout @25 (01:54 PM) ppusa: i won't go short (01:55 PM) ppusa: but I am waiting to buy back my 2nd long. (01:55 PM) Daniel X: DT (01:55 PM) Buffy_04364: not here either in fact looking for a long (01:55 PM) 4nq: covered (01:55 PM) Buffy_04364: higher low on 60T (01:55 PM) Buffy_04364: long (01:55 PM) ppusa: They took that hour low by 1 tick (01:56 PM) ppusa: if that's all,we go higher (01:56 PM) ppusa: could always pullback monday then up (01:56 PM) ppusa: wouldn't chase to hard (01:56 PM) Buffy_04364: lucked out on those storms (01:56 PM) Buffy_04364: to the north and south but not here (01:56 PM) Buffy_04364: so get to stay for a while longer (01:57 PM) 4nq: where is "here"?? (01:57 PM) Buffy_04364: not that you guys would miss me LOL (01:57 PM) Buffy_04364: Maine (01:57 PM) 4nq: ahh (01:57 PM) Buffy_04364: little back country town (01:57 PM) Buffy_04364: out (01:57 PM) Buffy_04364: +1.5 (01:57 PM) ppusa: Maine seems nice except for the bugs (01:57 PM) dave_b_quick: we'd certainly miss you, buffy (01:57 PM) Buffy_04364: might this be the right shoulder????? (01:58 PM) cctraderx: I'd miss you Buffy (01:58 PM) ppusa: leave your pyro (01:58 PM) 4nq: seems like h&s all over the charts last few days (01:58 PM) Buffy_04364: I was just joking guys (01:59 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL ppusa (01:59 PM) Buffy_04364: not as obvious as this one let me post (01:59 PM) Buffy_04364: on its way (02:00 PM) timing 2: buffy send pyra e mails to the site lol (02:00 PM) Buffy_04364: usually don't seem so obious when doing right shoulder (02:00 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL (02:00 PM) ppusa: Hey Dan did you bail out of your long because you got a sell signal r because of an overextension? (02:00 PM) Buffy_04364: need these machines to do it (02:00 PM) Daniel X: yes +3 (02:00 PM) ppusa: ok (02:01 PM) Buffy_04364: what do you guys think? Might be one? (02:01 PM) ppusa: doouble head and shoulder (02:01 PM) Buffy_04364: 2 left shoulders (02:01 PM) Buffy_04364: a head (02:01 PM) ppusa: come down, form right shoulder (02:01 PM) Buffy_04364: 2 right shoulders (02:02 PM) ppusa: hit that hour low agaiin (02:02 PM) Buffy_04364: can't tell on a tic shart if volume dropped off on the right shoulder like it is suppose to (02:02 PM) Buffy_04364: now according to T (02:02 PM) Buffy_04364: if we are right then it should go through neckline (02:02 PM) 4nq: short (02:02 PM) Buffy_04364: come back up and restest (02:02 PM) Buffy_04364: if going lower (02:02 PM) Orprepus: buffy see HS on two also (02:02 PM) Buffy_04364: and bounce if going higher (02:02 PM) 4nq: now u tell me...........lol (02:02 PM) Orprepus: two = 2M chart (02:03 PM) Buffy_04364: yep there harder to see on 3m (02:03 PM) ppusa: still rising swing lows (02:03 PM) Buffy_04364: yep (02:04 PM) Buffy_04364: bounced off neckline too lets see what it does now (02:04 PM) ppusa: look at the pullback after the 15 min inside bar, and compare to where we are in the 30 and 60 (02:04 PM) Buffy_04364: hitting top of channel in pyra (02:04 PM) Daniel X: the train is coming (02:04 PM) 4nq: 22 bid (02:04 PM) Daniel X: 2:20 (02:04 PM) Buffy_04364: thanks for reminder (02:05 PM) Buffy_04364: but this isn't looking like a long yet (02:05 PM) Buffy_04364: big fight going on with those bulls and bears (02:05 PM) Orprepus: tick declining for last hour since high of 1222 wow (02:06 PM) 4nq: can bid (02:06 PM) ppusa: which means we will be ready to go up again if we pulllback, right? (02:06 PM) Buffy_04364: doji all over the place (02:06 PM) Buffy_04364: that was a high tick (02:06 PM) Buffy_04364: did it happen right around the top? (02:07 PM) beanman_1: buffy, look at pyra on 15min 11 degrees chart.. NQ hitting a wall (02:07 PM) Buffy_04364: it is on the 4 also (02:07 PM) 4nq: on 20 ma (02:07 PM) Buffy_04364: must be able to divide by 4 (02:07 PM) ppusa: looks like a short but i will skip this one (02:08 PM) ppusa: 4nq, it's yours (02:08 PM) beanman_1: Divide what by 4, TF? (02:08 PM) Buffy_04364: yes (02:08 PM) klonerdoug: i'm short 24 but will bail soon here (02:08 PM) Buffy_04364: that is what Don Hall suggested (02:08 PM) Buffy_04364: he personally likes the 4M (02:09 PM) jimbo_320: test 1200? (02:09 PM) Buffy_04364: we just moved up a channel in pyra (02:09 PM) ppusa: bumping against 5 min up ma...haven't been able to crack the short side yet. (02:10 PM) Buffy_04364: banging on resistance in pyra (02:10 PM) 4nq: selling nq (02:10 PM) ppusa: Will they save it for monday? (02:10 PM) 4nq: i could be dead by Monday (02:10 PM) 4nq: by 4p/m today for that matter (02:11 PM) ppusa: sure looks like it should go either way (02:11 PM) gravestonedoggie: sounds like a rough neighborhood (02:11 PM) 4nq: bust 20 ma now?? (02:11 PM) ppusa: yea, shorts win (02:11 PM) 4nq: yessssssssssssss (02:12 PM) 4nq: covering adds (02:12 PM) klonerdoug: i have some bandwidth problems right now ... see every later after close (02:12 PM) Buffy_04364: not doing a thing until it does something with that neckline (02:12 PM) 4nq: got my 22s' (02:12 PM) ppusa: going for the hourly low again. (02:12 PM) Buffy_04364: broke through the neckline (02:13 PM) 4nq: covering half of orignal 25 short Paltalk: Go bannerless and support PalTalk! Subscribe today! Only $9.95 a year! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. (02:13 PM) Daniel X: watch for 2:20 (02:14 PM) Buffy_04364: that train may not be an up one today (02:14 PM) Buffy_04364: :-) (02:14 PM) ppusa: 15 point PnF wins again. (02:14 PM) 4nq: if we go back thru 29 , looks strong to me then (02:14 PM) 4nq: covering runners (02:14 PM) 4nq: flat (02:14 PM) Buffy_04364: top of head 1632 (02:14 PM) Buffy_04364: neckline (02:15 PM) ppusa: little lower and i am back in (02:15 PM) Buffy_04364: 1616 (02:15 PM) 4nq: sweeeeeeeeettttttt (02:15 PM) Buffy_04364: diff of 16 (02:15 PM) ppusa: may wait for next hour low (02:15 PM) Buffy_04364: so should go down to 07 (02:15 PM) Buffy_04364: before reversing (02:16 PM) Daniel X: the train the trian (02:16 PM) Buffy_04364: been a while since I calculated one of those though (02:16 PM) Buffy_04364: 1604.57 is pyra (02:16 PM) 4nq: 1610-12 some support now imo (02:16 PM) ppusa: I'm not sure how you got 07 but that would look good (02:17 PM) Buffy_04364: high of head minus neckline - subtack that from break below neckline (02:18 PM) 4nq: anyone use daily emas on 3,5,10 charts? (02:19 PM) Buffy_04364: only on 15 (02:19 PM) Daniel X: this is the train low or the long trap....tough decision (02:20 PM) Buffy_04364: inside bar on 3M (02:21 PM) Buffy_04364: posted pyra (02:22 PM) Buffy_04364: Orprepus what tf is that chart ? can not tell says server updating (02:23 PM) Buffy_04364: test of neckline (02:23 PM) Buffy_04364: everyone asleep? LOL (02:24 PM) Buffy_04364: classic! Just like T says (02:24 PM) Daniel X: dizzy from the chop (02:24 PM) Buffy_04364: lol me to not trading yet (02:25 PM) Orprepus: post 233tick chart with PP very interesting flow (02:25 PM) dave_b_quick: getting so choppy was thinking about foul weather gear (02:25 PM) Orprepus: too quick on post (02:26 PM) Daniel X: Train ride anyone? (02:27 PM) wlevicki: 5min nq flows all day till last 90 minutes and then looks very scattered, like water spilled on water colors (02:27 PM) Orprepus: steam, disel, electric or TGV? (02:28 PM) ppusa: anyone long or short? (02:28 PM) Orprepus: forgot horsem (02:28 PM) Daniel X: Flintstone (02:28 PM) ppusa: I am still waiting (02:28 PM) Orprepus: LOL (02:29 PM) ppusa: Buffy, you doing anything (02:30 PM) dave_b_quick: 9m, 15m inside bars (02:31 PM) Buffy_04364: no just got through watching the radar (02:32 PM) Buffy_04364: that is the tf recommended O for tick charts (02:32 PM) Buffy_04364: with pyra (02:32 PM) bigrexxx: tick been mighty since 11am - 2 swings over +1000 no red (02:33 PM) ppusa: started new hour (02:33 PM) dave_b_quick: after all this chop, triangle breakout otta be a fake, right? (02:34 PM) ppusa: that spike might be high of this hour (02:34 PM) Orprepus: notice timeline/crosses area for changes on 233 tick PP - amaazing (02:35 PM) ppusa: it is untill we break it anyway (02:35 PM) Buffy_04364: yep pyra is (02:35 PM) Buffy_04364: still don't like waiting for a close outside of channel with it though (02:35 PM) Buffy_04364: hope book is more specific (02:36 PM) Buffy_04364: it tested that neckline again (02:37 PM) Buffy_04364: I don't care what chart you draw it on (02:37 PM) ppusa: we are walking up the 5 and 15 min averages. (02:38 PM) Daniel X: come on 32 (02:38 PM) ppusa: dow +119 (02:39 PM) ppusa: i hope we chop sideways and close here. I would still like to see a drop but Monday would be nicer. (02:39 PM) Daniel X: 1 min left (02:40 PM) ppusa: that last spike was the end of the train (02:41 PM) ppusa: if you had done everything 3 min early, +15 (02:41 PM) ab_18: tks (02:41 PM) ab_18: tks for showing us the train (02:42 PM) Daniel X: was in at 18 still in (02:42 PM) Daniel X: on 1 Paltalk: Please support our sponsors by clicking on banners. (02:43 PM) Buffy_04364: can get a triangle on 5M and you all know what I think of them (02:44 PM) Orprepus: pp agree - on chop or slightly high close to setup next week (02:44 PM) Buffy_04364: posted walking the channel in pyra chart (02:45 PM) Buffy_04364: just like BB (02:46 PM) Daniel X: flat (02:47 PM) ab_18: still upside potential but need close stop (02:49 PM) ppusa: IIIFFF, and this is a big if, we start up Monday after putting in an early low, we all need to place stops and walk away. (02:51 PM) cctraderx: SS? (02:51 PM) Buffy_04364: thrid try for this high (02:51 PM) ppusa: Buy and place sell stop. (02:51 PM) cctraderx: thanks (02:51 PM) bigrexxx: warwick at worldlyinvestor.com has a mid month long quant trade which if can get today's low sell late weds. (02:52 PM) bigrexxx: a few bear sites are mentioning crashes that have occurred 71 weeks after a high which comes in next week also (02:52 PM) Daniel X: Take the Late train north...LOL (02:53 PM) Orprepus: that was the express (02:53 PM) elly_34: carolyn boroden has an 8/13-8/15 potential reversal off lows time frame (daily) (02:54 PM) bigrexxx: yep carolyn been good (02:54 PM) bigrexxx: haggerty's spx 1170 number was awesome so far also (02:55 PM) ppusa: we are out of here (02:55 PM) Daniel X: Retro is still in from 26.50 (02:56 PM) Daniel X: Retro take the 10 points (02:56 PM) Daniel X: plz (02:56 PM) Buffy_04364: he might consider it if it doesn't make a higher high Welcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders. Most of us follow methods taught at intelligentspeculator.com. We're here when "TRENDVUE TRADERS WKSHOP" is locked down for a paid session. You can post charts at www.DaCharts.com Spammers & hecklers get the boot. (02:58 PM) Buffy_04364: maybe 5 (02:58 PM) Daniel X: Im going to trade Daniel X/PPUSA/Buffy/Retro...style from now on (02:59 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL (02:59 PM) ppusa: need 2 more steps higher, then they can take out the high and set us up for a sell off next week. (02:59 PM) Buffy_04364: well that would be your own way for sure (02:59 PM) Daniel X: guess so (02:59 PM) Buffy_04364: bull flag? (02:59 PM) Buffy_04364: shows on 1M (03:00 PM) ppusa: Now I am getting bearish, can you believe that. (03:00 PM) Buffy_04364: while I don't initiate a trade on lower tf unless I miss the train leaving the station do like watching them (03:00 PM) wlevicki: LOL (03:00 PM) ppusa: They don't do it my way, I don't like it (03:00 PM) Buffy_04364: 3M and 5M bars hide to much about what is going on (03:01 PM) Buffy_04364: yep it was (03:02 PM) Buffy_04364: missed it (03:02 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL (03:02 PM) Daniel X: I,ve compared Retro's trades against mine and the diff is I don't have the stomach to hold so i'm going to use his entries but the exits will be locking in 10 points or swings which ever comes first (03:02 PM) Buffy_04364: that is the conclusion I have come to also Daniel (03:02 PM) ppusa: Dan unless you change a trend in which case, let it ride. (03:02 PM) Daniel X: that's the best I can do (03:02 PM) Daniel X: ditto (03:02 PM) wlevicki: Daniel did you move stops up if you got up part way to 10 points (03:02 PM) wlevicki: to even or so (03:03 PM) Daniel X: yes 5 points when i saw 10 (03:03 PM) ppusa: It's when you cross those moving averages that everything changes. That;s why trader's systems don't work all the tme. (03:07 PM) ab_18: probably the high is in (03:08 PM) Daniel X: Combining styles X Retro style yesterday and today yielded 100 points..by locking in every 10 points and getting stopped (03:10 PM) Orprepus: great (03:10 PM) Daniel X: i tried to beat his entries by entering 1 to 1 1/2 ticks from his as to not get faked out..but Retro's yeilds better results (03:10 PM) Buffy_04364: the only thing that beats his entries is the 12M chart (03:11 PM) Buffy_04364: ever look at it (03:11 PM) Buffy_04364: ? (03:11 PM) Daniel X: actualy no...really (03:11 PM) Daniel X: but how many fake outs does it signal (03:12 PM) Buffy_04364: no many (03:12 PM) Buffy_04364: not many (03:12 PM) Buffy_04364: the nine just doesn't work (03:12 PM) Buffy_04364: too many fake outs (03:12 PM) Orprepus: well this has been a fun week - hope everyone made money (03:12 PM) Buffy_04364: 12 is multiple of 4 and that is what made me look at it (03:12 PM) Daniel X: thnx i'll study over the weekend..gotta lot of work to do. Paltalk: Are banners a bummer and popups a pain? Cure your banner blues NOW for $9.95 a year! Click HELP on your Pal List then select Bannerless PalTalk to subscribe now! (03:13 PM) Buffy_04364: been a very good week (03:13 PM) Daniel X: first ..get rid of that 1 min scalp chart (03:13 PM) Buffy_04364: a fun week in the room too (03:13 PM) Buffy_04364: only watch the one minute (03:13 PM) Buffy_04364: gives the phycology behind what is going on (03:14 PM) Buffy_04364: a heads up for what might be coming (03:14 PM) Buffy_04364: same with 75T (03:14 PM) Buffy_04364: smother that 1M (03:14 PM) Buffy_04364: remember Mike and I had that 1M anonymous club going LOL (03:15 PM) ab_18: been there (03:15 PM) Buffy_04364: havn't we all! (03:15 PM) Daniel X: it was them who started me on it!....i'm mentally exhausted ..back in 1 5 min bar. (03:16 PM) dave_b_quick: another 15m 2B (03:20 PM) Daniel X: Friday's watch for death spike (03:21 PM) Daniel X: after 3 pm (03:21 PM) Daniel X: my cut off time (03:21 PM) Buffy_04364: looking for a short (03:21 PM) Buffy_04364: but never know (03:21 PM) Buffy_04364: 3:45 mine (03:22 PM) Daniel X: 3pm is only for friday the rest is till 4:15 (03:23 PM) Buffy_04364: oh ok (03:24 PM) ppusa: i bot again this drop (03:24 PM) ppusa: bail in a bit (03:25 PM) Daniel X: this has got to be the worst chop up trend I've ever seen! (03:25 PM) ppusa: out (03:25 PM) ppusa: still holdiing one long (03:25 PM) ppusa: worst or best? (03:26 PM) Buffy_04364: good for you ppusa (03:26 PM) Daniel X: worst than a grind up! (03:26 PM) Buffy_04364: flag?????????? (03:27 PM) Buffy_04364: sorry for so many ? was catching a cat :-) (03:27 PM) elly_34: i would be interested in knowing if you are going to get together for a post market discussion anytime? (03:27 PM) elly_34: a review of any kind? (03:27 PM) Buffy_04364: add us to your pal list (03:27 PM) elly_34: k (03:28 PM) leont_2: buffy you mean flag on es? (03:28 PM) Buffy_04364: flag on nq (03:28 PM) Buffy_04364: smaller tf say watch it (03:28 PM) ppusa: we hit a BB on 15 minute up there at thehigh (03:28 PM) leont_2: llook at es 60 min (03:29 PM) leont_2: tome it looks stronger than nq (03:29 PM) Daniel X: I say there that's a great idea! Pre Market Monday 8:30 sounds reasonable (03:29 PM) Daniel X: ELLY (03:29 PM) elly_34: great, will be here (03:29 PM) elly_34: coffee in hand (03:30 PM) Daniel X: anyone else? (03:30 PM) Buffy_04364: wrong place for flag on es (03:30 PM) dwn1: yep (03:30 PM) Buffy_04364: I can be (03:30 PM) Orprepus: 8:30 what time zone (03:30 PM) Buffy_04364: good ? (03:30 PM) Buffy_04364: est assumed (03:30 PM) elly_34: sounds like est (03:30 PM) Daniel X: Dave ..Buffy..PPUSA..ORP.. (03:30 PM) Daniel X: est (03:30 PM) elly_34: 5:30 here (03:30 PM) Daniel X: 4 NQ? (03:30 PM) Buffy_04364: usually in room about 8ish anyway (03:31 PM) Daniel X: lol west coast huh (03:31 PM) elly_34: yup (03:31 PM) Buffy_04364: I will be daniel (03:31 PM) dave_b_quick: wow, yr up that early, elly? (03:31 PM) Daniel X: good (03:31 PM) elly_34: not lately but will be then (03:31 PM) elly_34: lately been lazy (03:31 PM) elly_34: sleep til 6 (03:31 PM) dave_b_quick: what a sleepyhead (03:31 PM) elly_34: that is me (03:31 PM) leont_2: i guess since the other room is effectively closed this becomes the roo (03:31 PM) Buffy_04364: now you know elly the saying goes the early bird catches the worm LOL (03:32 PM) dave_b_quick: just kidding, elly (03:32 PM) leont_2: room (03:32 PM) Buffy_04364: got an email mentioning another room today (03:32 PM) ppusa: what? (03:32 PM) Buffy_04364: still in a triangle (03:32 PM) ppusa: premarkete Monday 5:30 pst? (03:32 PM) Daniel X: pre Market chat 8:30 Monday (03:32 PM) ppusa: is that what i see? (03:32 PM) Buffy_04364: here at 8:30am monday to learn and discuss (03:32 PM) Buffy_04364: you make it ppusa? (03:33 PM) ppusa: time zone (03:33 PM) Buffy_04364: est (03:33 PM) ab_18: should (03:33 PM) ppusa: love to (03:33 PM) elly_34: actually i prefer getting on early just lazy summer days (03:33 PM) Buffy_04364: great (03:33 PM) elly_34: this sounds great (03:33 PM) Buffy_04364: did Orprepus answer? (03:33 PM) Daniel X: not yet (03:33 PM) Orprepus: thinking - I am PST (03:33 PM) Daniel X: oh ok lol (03:33 PM) Buffy_04364: oh ok (03:34 PM) Buffy_04364: :-( (03:34 PM) ppusa: by the way, after the close today I have a comment to post about P&F and if you all want, can spend a few going over it so you have something to look at this weekend (03:34 PM) Buffy_04364: sounds like a plan ppusa (03:34 PM) Daniel X: will stay for that also (03:34 PM) ppusa: ok (03:34 PM) Buffy_04364: i ended up taking it off as couldn't learn watching that and trade too (03:34 PM) ppusa: good (03:35 PM) elly_34: yes i'll stay, sounds good (03:35 PM) Buffy_04364: maybe on Monday but not on a friday - brain is getting tired LOL (03:35 PM) Orprepus: 5:30am pst Mondayok - alternate to an afternoon after market close on another day for all us PSTers (03:36 PM) Buffy_04364: sounds like a plan (03:36 PM) elly_34: brb (03:36 PM) Buffy_04364: one am and one pm a week maybe (03:36 PM) Buffy_04364: only day I can't stay is weds whenhoward does his classes (03:36 PM) Orprepus: Monday & Wednesday after howards class? (03:37 PM) Orprepus: mOn am WD Pm (03:37 PM) Daniel X: ok so for the PSTers thurs post market that way if u have to fuel up the jet early on friday u w'ont miss the info (03:37 PM) Buffy_04364: no some other day than weds (03:37 PM) Buffy_04364: ok sounds good daniel (03:37 PM) Orprepus: thursday pm?? (03:37 PM) Buffy_04364: monday 8:30 est (03:38 PM) Buffy_04364: and what 4:30 est thurs (03:38 PM) Daniel X: cause Fridays are usually lousy trading (03:38 PM) Buffy_04364: give us all a short break (03:38 PM) Buffy_04364: ? (03:38 PM) ppusa: we be going down (03:38 PM) Buffy_04364: or 4:15? (03:38 PM) Buffy_04364: it was a flag! (03:38 PM) Daniel X: 415 sounds good (03:38 PM) Buffy_04364: ok on the calendar it is (03:39 PM) Buffy_04364: Maybe Dave could post something about it on his website or something (03:39 PM) Orprepus: like to see divergence between Spoos & Dow to setup next week (03:39 PM) Daniel X: btw the Greed devil tempted me into a short @ 27 (03:39 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL (03:40 PM) dave_b_quick: sure, buffy, Monday at 8:30 est? (03:40 PM) Daniel X: yes (03:40 PM) Buffy_04364: yes and 4:15 on thursday (03:41 PM) Orprepus: greed is the seed that will make you weak in your knees casuing you to bleed (03:41 PM) Buffy_04364: I like this can answer all questions better (03:41 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL (03:41 PM) Buffy_04364: I like it O (03:41 PM) Orprepus: it is true (03:41 PM) Buffy_04364: but daniel doing alright this time (03:41 PM) Daniel X: Gee i hope T-Lo doesn't start bad mouthing us for stealing alot of her students! (03:41 PM) Daniel X: oh yes i am (03:41 PM) Buffy_04364: well, I don't know what to say on that. (03:42 PM) Buffy_04364: we are her graduates (03:42 PM) Buffy_04364: alot of us anyway (03:42 PM) ppusa: bot again (03:42 PM) Daniel X: out +5 (03:42 PM) Buffy_04364: but I hope not too (03:42 PM) Daniel X: enuff (03:42 PM) Buffy_04364: I owe a lot to her and Mike (03:42 PM) Orprepus: pp your a wild man or gal (03:42 PM) ppusa: think we will go a little lower though (03:42 PM) Daniel X: me too (03:42 PM) ppusa: lookiing for bacon (03:42 PM) Buffy_04364: this could be anotehr flag (03:43 PM) Orprepus: bacon for around the steak (03:43 PM) Buffy_04364: to short off of if not so late (03:43 PM) dave_b_quick: OK, i posted it Buffy (03:43 PM) ppusa: I'm living large. (03:43 PM) ppusa: on the edge Paltalk: Click banners to visit our sponsors. (03:43 PM) Daniel X: thnx Dave (03:43 PM) Buffy_04364: tks Dave (03:43 PM) Buffy_04364: you be here too I hope (03:43 PM) Buffy_04364: :-) (03:43 PM) Orprepus: hey can everyone get posting figured out before monday so that we can look at each other charts? (03:43 PM) Buffy_04364: good suggestion Orprepus (03:43 PM) GGriz: Who is T-Lo?? (03:44 PM) Buffy_04364: I would love to see them (03:44 PM) Orprepus: be nice to have a chart ready for monday to go over with notes (03:44 PM) Buffy_04364: www.trendvue.com (03:44 PM) Daniel X: ebonics for theresa Lo (03:44 PM) Buffy_04364: her and mike are great teachers (03:44 PM) dave_b_quick: Tersa Lo of TrendVue.com fame (03:44 PM) ppusa: Orp, did you get my after the close P&F message? (03:45 PM) Orprepus: no? (03:45 PM) Buffy_04364: Money for her clases is well spent (03:45 PM) dave_b_quick: Griz, many of us have taken training workshops from Teresa Lo (03:45 PM) Buffy_04364: especially for the diabolical thinking training (03:45 PM) ppusa: hang around a bit (03:45 PM) Orprepus: sure (03:45 PM) GGriz: so you all speak T-Lo is why I don't get what you're talking about? (03:45 PM) Buffy_04364: you want us looking at a 1M PnF ppusa? (03:45 PM) ppusa: hang on (03:45 PM) Orprepus: a l;ot of them call her t (03:45 PM) ppusa: dumping for bacon (03:46 PM) dave_b_quick: some of the terms we use, like 2B and 1-2-3 have been made popular by T Lo (03:46 PM) Buffy_04364: When we speak of her it is like we can hear what she would be saying looking at the chart (03:46 PM) GGriz: sounds cool (03:46 PM) dave_b_quick: T.Lo taught me to use stop orders to enter a trade too (03:46 PM) Buffy_04364: yes she is (03:47 PM) GGriz: how would that work in these chops? (03:47 PM) dave_b_quick: T.Lo doesn't trade chop (03:47 PM) Orprepus: she use to have free session after am class (03:47 PM) dave_b_quick: she teaches patience (03:48 PM) GGriz: thought I saw some scalpers in here..... (03:48 PM) leont_2: dve and buffy did you get the manual? (03:48 PM) Buffy_04364: www.talkstox.com is the room mentioned in the email as another futures room (03:48 PM) dave_b_quick: She only takes high probability trades with good risk/reward ratio (03:48 PM) Buffy_04364: anyone hang out in there (03:48 PM) Buffy_04364: yes I did (03:48 PM) Buffy_04364: still refer to it (03:48 PM) dave_b_quick: jimsy started the talkstox room i think (03:48 PM) dave_b_quick: about the same time we started this room and for the same reasons (03:49 PM) Buffy_04364: doesn't trade inside of patterns either (03:49 PM) Buffy_04364: oh ok (03:49 PM) GGriz: so Dave can you post an example ? (03:49 PM) dave_b_quick: ya, i'm working on a 2B and 1-2-3 page for dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart.com (03:49 PM) elly_34: how does her trading compare with mike bruns? (03:49 PM) leont_2: she will have a free book at her site (03:50 PM) Buffy_04364: T uses TL and ADX (03:50 PM) dave_b_quick: T Lo uses 20EMA, ADX, and multiple time frames, so alot different from Mike (03:50 PM) Buffy_04364: Mike uses other indicators and will trade inside a pattern (03:50 PM) Buffy_04364: two different styles (03:50 PM) GGriz: k (03:50 PM) Daniel X: Mike can trade the dead zone (03:51 PM) Daniel X: when he chooses too (03:51 PM) Buffy_04364: yep when he chooses to (03:51 PM) GGriz: staying in all day with S & R ?? (03:51 PM) Daniel X: very well (03:51 PM) Buffy_04364: They are both excellent traders (03:52 PM) Daniel X: but Retro is the Best!!! (03:52 PM) dave_b_quick: good teachers to (03:52 PM) Buffy_04364: one or a combination of their styles should work for you (03:52 PM) dave_b_quick: too (03:52 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL yep RETRO is (03:52 PM) Buffy_04364: yes they had to explain things over and over to me as I had delveloped some bad habits :-) (03:52 PM) elly_34: i will study retro over the weekend (03:52 PM) Buffy_04364: always patient (03:52 PM) leont_2: look at the daily of the nq vs the es (03:52 PM) Orprepus: anyone know brian from talkstox room (03:53 PM) GGriz: it amazes me you can type and drade at the same time, I can't do it (03:53 PM) Buffy_04364: so everyone a chart for Monday - hmmmmmmm anyone want to see anything in particular? (03:53 PM) leont_2: i think es is stronger (03:53 PM) Buffy_04364: there are times I totally ignore the room on the trade (03:53 PM) Buffy_04364: after this morning I didn't do much to be honest (03:54 PM) rambler_12: i wanna see mondays chart for monday : ) (03:54 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL (03:54 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL (03:54 PM) Buffy_04364: with all the buys and sells already labeled too I bet! (03:54 PM) rambler_12: not necessary : ) (03:54 PM) dave_b_quick: that's the idea with retro, make it so easy it's like trading yesterday's chart (03:54 PM) GGriz: I am still looking to break even, time is running out, gonna be a long weekend (03:54 PM) Buffy_04364: well going to get a coffee before ppusa starts in (03:55 PM) Buffy_04364: I am going to analyse the 12M instead of 15M for entries this weekend or have you already looked at it Dave? (03:55 PM) ppusa: outside up days on dow and sp (03:55 PM) elly_34: i need to start watching this retro next week (03:55 PM) GGriz: So what's Retro ? is that T-Lo talk ? (03:55 PM) dave_b_quick: no, buffy i was waiting for someone else to try some other TF's (03:55 PM) ppusa: Yaaa, baby (03:55 PM) Daniel X: my Retro/X got 50 points pos...10 points neg..so 40 points up today (03:56 PM) Orprepus: check out dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart.com (03:56 PM) Buffy_04364: will do the 12M then (03:56 PM) dave_b_quick: Griz, retro is a system we've been putting together, details at dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart.com (03:56 PM) Buffy_04364: please open folder for monday Dave (03:56 PM) Daniel X: I'm up 16 (03:56 PM) Buffy_04364: we are all watching it and trying to improve on it (03:56 PM) Buffy_04364: nice daniel (03:57 PM) Daniel X: thnx (03:57 PM) dave_b_quick: done, buffy (03:57 PM) Buffy_04364: short when it doesn'tmake a higher high (03:57 PM) Buffy_04364: thanks (03:57 PM) Buffy_04364: reason for trying 12 has got to do with gann and don hall (03:57 PM) Buffy_04364: should be interesting (03:57 PM) elly_34: don hall is the pyrapoint guy? (03:57 PM) Buffy_04364: will compare it to retro (03:57 PM) Buffy_04364: yes (03:58 PM) Buffy_04364: he is (03:58 PM) elly_34: does he have a website? (03:58 PM) Buffy_04364: don't think so (03:58 PM) elly_34: or just a manual (03:58 PM) leont_2: where is the ifo re retro at d charts dave? (03:58 PM) Buffy_04364: Howard worked out a deal with him (03:58 PM) Orprepus: www.dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart.com for retro (03:58 PM) elly_34: do you trade via the pyrapoint Buffy? (03:58 PM) Orprepus: and link to area where we post charts (03:58 PM) Buffy_04364: click on Retro-trader (03:58 PM) leont_2: i see it thanks (03:59 PM) Buffy_04364: I am starting to have it influence me elly but want to read the book (03:59 PM) Buffy_04364: guess it isn't coming today :-( (03:59 PM) elly_34: durn (03:59 PM) GGriz: Buffy, what did u say about short? (03:59 PM) elly_34: be nice for the weekend (03:59 PM) Orprepus: taking 15M break be back after close pp (04:00 PM) Buffy_04364: Oh, it was another flag to short LOL (04:00 PM) Buffy_04364: ok (04:00 PM) Buffy_04364: wasn't watching (04:00 PM) Daniel X: me too back in 5 mins (04:02 PM) Buffy_04364: is that what you meant ggriz? (04:02 PM) Buffy_04364: sounds good Orprepus (04:02 PM) Buffy_04364: back at 4:15 (04:02 PM) GGriz: yes, didn't get the reference (04:02 PM) ppusa: buffy, you there? (04:02 PM) GGriz: anyone around on the weekends ?/ (04:03 PM) dave_b_quick: not much, family stuff mostly (04:03 PM) dave_b_quick: yr welcome to use the room tho (04:04 PM) ppusa: Orp, Buffy, Dan, everyone here or did bbuff leave for a few? (04:04 PM) qatwo: they left for a few (04:04 PM) qatwo: about 15m (04:05 PM) ppusa: Thanks, (04:05 PM) ppusa: 1:15 i start (04:05 PM) ispec_Pete77: ppusa I am using Tradestation and can do P&F, hopefully I can use your help as well (04:05 PM) ppusa: EST (04:06 PM) qatwo: :-), they need java (04:06 PM) GGriz: so Dave do you have written plan for Retro? (04:06 PM) dave_b_quick: yes, open to suggestions (04:07 PM) leont_2: where is the plan dave? (04:07 PM) GGriz: I mean, do you have Retro written down? (04:07 PM) dave_b_quick: at dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart.com there's a link on the main page (04:07 PM) GGriz: tnx (04:07 PM) leont_2: the retro link? (04:07 PM) dave_b_quick: y (04:07 PM) leont_2: ok (04:08 PM) dave_b_quick: about to post more info on the reversal rules (04:08 PM) Buffy_04364: GGris - I am always checking around the rooms for conversation on weekends - kitties are hard to talk to all the time (04:08 PM) Buffy_04364: for everyone using ensign (04:08 PM) Buffy_04364: I strongly recommend saving your layout (04:08 PM) Buffy_04364: save it again under a new name (04:09 PM) Buffy_04364: like discussion or something (04:09 PM) Buffy_04364: close all charts and start with blank (04:09 PM) Buffy_04364: this way nothing will happen to the layoout you are using now (04:09 PM) leont_2: i'm looking for a compliment to a counter trend system maybe retro can help (04:10 PM) Buffy_04364: now ppusa what do you want us to be looking at? (04:10 PM) Buffy_04364: still over 90 and very humid here (04:10 PM) elly_34: where buffy? (04:10 PM) Buffy_04364: Maine (04:11 PM) elly_34: oh wow (04:11 PM) elly_34: far far away from here (04:11 PM) ispec_Pete77: ppusa I quess what I was trying to say is your P&F method applicable only to ensign? (04:11 PM) ppusa: ok ;et's go (04:11 PM) ppusa: no PnF is PnF (04:12 PM) Buffy_04364: nice pyra posted on 144T (04:12 PM) ispec_Pete77: tks (04:12 PM) ppusa: can everyone pull up a plan 15 minute chart (04:12 PM) leont_2: of what es nq? (04:12 PM) qatwo: nq or es? (04:12 PM) ppusa: nq (04:12 PM) ppusa: es would work too (04:12 PM) qatwo: k (04:13 PM) Buffy_04364: k (04:13 PM) Orprepus: back Paltalk: Love PalTalk but hate the banners and popups? Go bannerless! Only $9.95 per year! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. (04:13 PM) ppusa: look at the decline from 6:45 to 7:30 PST (04:13 PM) Daniel X: ok back (04:13 PM) Buffy_04364: would suggest using a new layout so nothing happens to one you are using now (04:13 PM) ppusa: plain 15 minute chart (04:14 PM) Buffy_04364: yep see it (04:14 PM) leont_2: you mean 10 est (04:14 PM) ppusa: obviously there was no large bounces right. (04:14 PM) leont_2: yes (04:14 PM) Buffy_04364: right (04:14 PM) ppusa: 9:45 to 10:30 EST (04:14 PM) leont_2: got you (04:14 PM) ppusa: straight down (04:15 PM) Buffy_04364: yep as straight as it can get (04:15 PM) ppusa: then we went sideways and got about a ten point rise and drop (04:15 PM) ppusa: approx (04:15 PM) ppusa: OK (04:15 PM) Buffy_04364: ok (04:15 PM) Daniel X: k (04:16 PM) leont_2: y (04:16 PM) ppusa: I say this everytime, you have toknow where you are in the trend. (04:16 PM) leont_2: right (04:16 PM) Buffy_04364: is the 15 minute what you look at to know? (04:17 PM) ppusa: You cannot expect to get a 10 point bounce going straight down and although a PnF chart will look like it should reversse up, it will get way over extended. (04:17 PM) leont_2: explain that p (04:17 PM) Daniel X: plz (04:18 PM) Buffy_04364: sothe 10pt bounce is unusual is that what you are saying (04:18 PM) ppusa: the 15 minute chart is an example of how a short term PnF will bury you. I use 1 minutes (04:18 PM) ppusa: More important is the box reversal size (04:18 PM) Orprepus: same properties for all tf (04:18 PM) elly_34: u use 1 min p n f? (04:18 PM) ab_18: 1 min PnF (04:19 PM) ppusa: let's No (04:19 PM) Buffy_04364: with 200 and 3 (04:19 PM) Buffy_04364: right? (04:19 PM) ppusa: Let's go to as one minute (04:19 PM) ppusa: and throw on a pnf chart (04:19 PM) ppusa: a one minute (04:20 PM) ppusa: let's use for DTN 200 box size and 5 point reversal (04:20 PM) ppusa: Because 200 is 2 ticks for DTN feed (04:20 PM) Buffy_04364: I think it is the same for ensign also (04:20 PM) Buffy_04364: per example in help (04:20 PM) ppusa: help (04:20 PM) ppusa: earthquake (04:21 PM) ppusa: just a minor one (04:21 PM) Buffy_04364: for real! (04:21 PM) Buffy_04364: wow (04:21 PM) ppusa: yep (04:21 PM) Orprepus: do you know what it is for esignal? (04:21 PM) Buffy_04364: 200 also I think (04:21 PM) Orprepus: pp where are you? (04:21 PM) ppusa: no orp (04:21 PM) Buffy_04364: I can post and he can compare (04:21 PM) Orprepus: good (04:21 PM) ppusa: but try the same because if your chart doesn't match you will know (04:22 PM) ppusa: Lake Tahoe, CA (04:22 PM) Orprepus: pp earlier our 200 3 matched right? (04:22 PM) ppusa: yes (04:22 PM) ppusa: but let's do 200 by 5 (04:22 PM) Orprepus: so would assume 200 5 would match also (04:22 PM) ppusa: yes (04:23 PM) ppusa: everybody have one? (04:23 PM) Orprepus: south shore or north (04:23 PM) ppusa: south (04:23 PM) ppusa: S. Lake Tahoe (04:23 PM) GGriz: my PF only goes back oto 21:37, anyone know why? (04:23 PM) ppusa: everyone have a chart? (04:23 PM) Daniel X: yes (04:23 PM) Orprepus: yes (04:24 PM) leont_2: ed sykota is in tahoe (04:24 PM) ppusa: have you ever had a 1 minute chart before now Griz? (04:24 PM) Orprepus: day session only - right? (04:24 PM) ppusa: doesn't matter (04:25 PM) Orprepus: got it (04:25 PM) GGriz: yes same thing with ES (04:25 PM) ppusa: so the last thing everyone should see is a run to 1630 and then a drop to just up from a double bottom (04:25 PM) Buffy_04364: would like to know if one just posted matches (04:25 PM) ppusa: checking (04:26 PM) Orprepus: buffy what is called? (04:26 PM) ppusa: no buffy, (04:26 PM) Buffy_04364: pnf (04:26 PM) Buffy_04364: hmmm what is wrong? (04:27 PM) Buffy_04364: whoops 3M not 1M (04:27 PM) Buffy_04364: sorry (04:27 PM) ppusa: go to chart object's list and under properties and what do you see (04:27 PM) Buffy_04364: that one better (04:27 PM) Buffy_04364: I had wrong TF (04:28 PM) ppusa: definately the post queen (04:28 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL (04:28 PM) ab_18: does PnF overlay (04:28 PM) Buffy_04364: it does but then you can't see it all (04:28 PM) ppusa: no buffy (04:28 PM) Orprepus: pnf in volume - right (04:28 PM) Buffy_04364: so did it this way (04:28 PM) Buffy_04364: yes (04:28 PM) Buffy_04364: pnf in volume (04:28 PM) Buffy_04364: where it wants to go anyway (04:28 PM) ppusa: buf, under properties, what do you have? (04:28 PM) Buffy_04364: going to have to ask howard for a scale on it (04:28 PM) Orprepus: pp check my without bars - 1m PnF pp (04:29 PM) Buffy_04364: 200 box 2. rev Welcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders. Most of us follow methods taught at intelligentspeculator.com. We're here when "TRENDVUE TRADERS WKSHOP" is locked down for a paid session. You can post charts at www.DaCharts.com Spammers & hecklers get the boot. (04:30 PM) Daniel X: ok i've got a run up to 30 then down to20 (04:30 PM) Buffy_04364: is that one OK ppusa? (04:30 PM) ppusa: Orp, you ain't looking to good. (04:31 PM) ab_18: having trouble w/scale (04:31 PM) leont_2: buffy i don't see 12 (04:31 PM) ppusa: buffy, you are there (04:31 PM) Buffy_04364: hey let me try something (04:31 PM) leont_2: i see 2 (04:31 PM) GGriz: I can't get p&f to plot b4 2:45 (04:31 PM) qatwo: yours looks just like mine buffy (04:31 PM) ppusa: hey everyone...match your chart to Buffy's (04:31 PM) qatwo: fwiw (04:32 PM) Orprepus: pp fix it - 15 box instead of 200 ouch (04:32 PM) leont_2: i rather see it posted i don't have pnf (04:32 PM) ppusa: ok, who is left (04:32 PM) leont_2: if it' ok (04:32 PM) ppusa: Griz? (04:33 PM) Buffy_04364: got it guys (04:33 PM) Buffy_04364: check for it to go with the chart (04:33 PM) Buffy_04364: now under chart properties (04:33 PM) leont_2: is it posted buffy? (04:33 PM) Buffy_04364: under scale (04:33 PM) GGriz: nope (04:33 PM) Buffy_04364: click on use range (04:33 PM) GGriz: won't plot (04:33 PM) ppusa: Griz Ensign right? (04:33 PM) Buffy_04364: I set it to 180000 and 150000 (04:33 PM) GGriz: yes (04:34 PM) leont_2: got it finally (04:34 PM) GGriz: i get to start on 15m (04:34 PM) GGriz: to the open i mean (04:34 PM) ppusa: did you have a 1 minute chart before now? (04:34 PM) Buffy_04364: set normal bars to background color and we are all set (04:34 PM) GGriz: yes (04:34 PM) ppusa: then you should have enough bars to do this (04:35 PM) ppusa: maybe you have delayed quotes: (04:35 PM) ppusa: and the last bit got cut off? (04:35 PM) GGriz: negative have dtn sat (04:35 PM) Buffy_04364: jus tposted it (04:35 PM) ppusa: so what do you see? (04:35 PM) ppusa: In the meantime everyone. (04:35 PM) Buffy_04364: everyone see how to do it now in ensign? (04:36 PM) Buffy_04364: I like that better now (04:36 PM) ppusa: Why was I bullish all day looking for a 30 point pop? (04:36 PM) Orprepus: pp do you have PnF or do you also have split with bars (04:36 PM) ppusa: what is split with bars? (04:37 PM) ppusa: i have bars under PnF (04:37 PM) Buffy_04364: new chart I just posted all in main window now (04:37 PM) Buffy_04364: I figured out how to do it right (04:37 PM) ppusa: Can anyone answer that question by changing their scale to 1000 by 3? (04:37 PM) leont_2: what made you bullish out of this formation p? (04:38 PM) Buffy_04364: don't understand ? ppusa (04:38 PM) ppusa: change your scale to 100 by 3 (04:38 PM) ppusa: 1000 by 3 (04:38 PM) Buffy_04364: orprepus look at pnf13 (04:39 PM) Buffy_04364: 1000.00? (04:39 PM) ppusa: yes buffy (04:39 PM) Orprepus: see it buffy (04:39 PM) leont_2: i'm looking b post the next one pls (04:39 PM) Buffy_04364: just one long line down (04:40 PM) ppusa: yes (04:40 PM) Buffy_04364: what am I checking for (04:40 PM) ppusa: that (04:40 PM) Orprepus: pp huge drop (04:40 PM) ppusa: which means? (04:40 PM) Buffy_04364: top is 1715.24 (04:40 PM) Buffy_04364: why did we change it? (04:40 PM) Buffy_04364: leont did you hit refresh (04:41 PM) leont_2: y (04:41 PM) leont_2: i got 13 (04:41 PM) Buffy_04364: oh ok (04:41 PM) Orprepus: looking for retrace3 of drop (04:41 PM) Buffy_04364: with it set to 1000.00? (04:41 PM) ppusa: Orp, you be da man (04:41 PM) Buffy_04364: 1615.27? (04:41 PM) Orprepus: is that normal in PnF (04:41 PM) Orprepus: 50% retrace (04:42 PM) ppusa: You may see the drop better on a 5 minute (04:42 PM) ppusa: Because the price there will be more price lines (04:42 PM) ppusa: Not necessarily a 50 percent but just was way oversold (04:43 PM) Buffy_04364: 1715-1585 and then divide that by 2 isn't clear to me at all guys (04:43 PM) ppusa: same as last night we hit 1650 (04:43 PM) Buffy_04364: that is my high and low Paltalk: Please support our sponsors by clicking on banners. (04:43 PM) Buffy_04364: of this one red drop now in my window (04:43 PM) Buffy_04364: please let me know what I am missing here (04:44 PM) ppusa: High was 1652.5 but P and F uses 10, 20, 30, 40, etc. doesn't recognize 12.5 or whatever. (04:44 PM) Buffy_04364: still have 1000.00 in there (04:44 PM) ppusa: buffy use a 5 min (04:44 PM) leont_2: if possible post (04:44 PM) Buffy_04364: instead of one minute still with 1000.00 as box size? (04:45 PM) Buffy_04364: I would if I could follow this leont (04:45 PM) ppusa: Yes (04:45 PM) leont_2: is the point that the market was oversold (04:46 PM) leont_2: sorry buff at your convenience sorry if i upset you did not mean to (04:46 PM) Orprepus: Ensign just hung when i tied to re scale it -shoot (04:46 PM) Buffy_04364: is the post what it should look like (04:46 PM) Buffy_04364: no you didn't leont (04:46 PM) Buffy_04364: frustrated with myself that I can't follow this better (04:47 PM) ppusa: The advantage of a 5 minute is there are more lines on Ensign with a wider trading range so you get more PnF history (04:47 PM) leont_2: you are alady (04:47 PM) Buffy_04364: ppusa is that last one what it should look like or do you recommend a high top for the scale? (04:47 PM) ppusa: chart name? (04:48 PM) Buffy_04364: pnf14 (04:48 PM) leont_2: but what made you bullish about this looking at the left side of the chart (04:48 PM) ppusa: buffy, check your properties again. (04:49 PM) Buffy_04364: 1000.00 x 5 (04:49 PM) ppusa: Who can post a 5 minute with 100 by 3 box size so we can all loook at the same thing? (04:49 PM) ppusa: buffy, 100 by 3 (04:50 PM) ppusa: Sorry Buffy, 1000.00 by 3 (04:50 PM) GGriz: I get 4 lines is that right? (04:51 PM) ppusa: Let's see if Buffy can post a chart? (04:51 PM) Buffy_04364: I just changed it back (04:51 PM) Buffy_04364: hang on guys (04:51 PM) Buffy_04364: I like it better lOL (04:52 PM) ppusa: posting? (04:52 PM) Buffy_04364: ok how is that one? (04:53 PM) Orprepus: where is? (04:53 PM) ppusa: what is the chart name? (04:53 PM) Buffy_04364: not htere :-( (04:53 PM) Buffy_04364: hmmm (04:53 PM) Orprepus: posted 5M NQ PnF PP2 (04:54 PM) qatwo: that's what i have op (04:54 PM) Buffy_04364: ok should be there this time (04:54 PM) Orprepus: pp2 = pp1 (04:55 PM) Orprepus: stil not there? (04:55 PM) ppusa: don't see it Buffy (04:55 PM) Buffy_04364: so I noticed (04:55 PM) Orprepus: pp check mine (04:55 PM) Orprepus: please (04:55 PM) Daniel X: gosh i wish you everyone could see a real Pnf chart with Xs and Os..using a Mac so cannot post. (04:55 PM) Buffy_04364: going this time (04:56 PM) Buffy_04364: pnf2 (04:56 PM) ppusa: doesn't look like mine Orp (04:56 PM) Buffy_04364: does mine? (04:56 PM) leont_2: what's ypurs buffy 14 is the last (04:56 PM) Buffy_04364: pnf2 (04:57 PM) Buffy_04364: closed and reopened snagit (04:57 PM) Orprepus: 1000 box rev 3 right? (04:57 PM) Buffy_04364: new numbers (04:57 PM) Buffy_04364: 5 (04:57 PM) ppusa: yes, Orp (04:57 PM) Orprepus: 5M? hmmm (04:57 PM) Buffy_04364: you had me use 5 for rev (04:58 PM) Buffy_04364: so which is it? (04:58 PM) ppusa: 1000.00 by 3 (04:58 PM) Buffy_04364: guess mine didin't look right then (04:58 PM) ppusa: Don't underdstand why your charts have double bottoms because we came straight off the low (04:58 PM) Buffy_04364: ok new one posted (04:59 PM) ppusa: trying to make sense of them (04:59 PM) Orprepus: buffy I match (04:59 PM) Buffy_04364: those white lines are divisions for the days aren't they (04:59 PM) Buffy_04364: the last one with rev of 3 O? we match? yahoo (05:00 PM) Buffy_04364: PnF3 is the last one I posted (05:00 PM) Orprepus: yes (05:00 PM) Buffy_04364: great now to match ppusa (05:00 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL (05:00 PM) Orprepus: check mine 5M NQ PnF PP1 (05:00 PM) ppusa: i know why (05:01 PM) ppusa: you guys have day session only (05:01 PM) qatwo: yes (05:01 PM) Orprepus: yes - you said it didn't amtter (05:01 PM) ppusa: well, okay, this will work (05:01 PM) Daniel X: looks like we're in a sideways channel from 3 pm wed broke out below this morning came back in at 12:30pm from high of 43 to low of15 (05:01 PM) qatwo: today's data is just last two bars (05:01 PM) Orprepus: all righty than (05:01 PM) ppusa: now you can all see the drop right (05:02 PM) Daniel X: 39 to 90 (05:02 PM) Daniel X: 1639 to 1590 (05:02 PM) ppusa: well we dropped from 1690 (05:02 PM) Daniel X: this am (05:03 PM) ppusa: to 1590 (05:03 PM) Orprepus: drop from 1730 1585 on long red set of boxes (05:03 PM) ppusa: yes (05:03 PM) ppusa: everyone with me? (05:03 PM) leont_2: y (05:03 PM) Orprepus: yes (05:03 PM) ppusa: okay, so a little retracement, no big deal (05:04 PM) qatwo: yes the red bar from 1690 to 1590 was the drop this morning, then the blue bar is the recovery the rest of the day (05:04 PM) Daniel X: yes afterthe break down out of congestion (05:04 PM) ppusa: but what if you were looking for the retracement higher than this. (05:04 PM) ppusa: buried (05:04 PM) ppusa: now my chart is a little different (05:05 PM) Buffy_04364: you want all sessions easy to do as I have data for all (05:05 PM) ppusa: imagine a refersal just above this one and then another leg down to this low (05:05 PM) leont_2: post please (05:06 PM) ppusa: Buffy, can you pull this off? (05:06 PM) Buffy_04364: sending it now (05:06 PM) Buffy_04364: is that what you were looking for? (05:06 PM) Buffy_04364: PnF4 (05:07 PM) Hank500: how did the retrotrader thingy do today? (05:07 PM) ppusa: you are the greatest (05:07 PM) Buffy_04364: (05:07 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL (05:07 PM) ppusa: everyone see buffy's new post (05:07 PM) Buffy_04364: very well Hank (05:07 PM) Hank500: cool (05:07 PM) Hank500: I didn't see anything posted for it yet (05:07 PM) Orprepus: got it with day session only not checked (05:08 PM) Daniel X: sorry guys i gotta go pick up the kiddies but i will stay logged on to go through the info so i'm not really her...see you all monday at 8:30 est...have a great weekend (05:08 PM) Orprepus: pnf4 (05:08 PM) Buffy_04364: not yet hank will be though (05:09 PM) ppusa: by dan (05:09 PM) Orprepus: see ya dan (05:09 PM) Buffy_04364: bye maybe catch you on this weekend (05:09 PM) ppusa: Okay, so everyone up? (05:09 PM) qatwo: k (05:09 PM) Buffy_04364: so everyone got the chart PnF4 up now (05:10 PM) ppusa: I was lookiing for the reversal because although we didn't have a huge string I gfelt we were due and it matched the trend. (05:10 PM) Buffy_04364: explain better plese (05:10 PM) Buffy_04364: were you looking for a pop out of that consolidation? (05:11 PM) ppusa: We weree going sideways and we were to far oversold and I felt this pop was dueNow at the end of the day, I had a 16 point chart (05:11 PM) Buffy_04364: have no clue what that means - 16pt chart (05:11 PM) Orprepus: me too (05:12 PM) Orprepus: no clue on 16 pt (05:12 PM) Buffy_04364: I think we need more basics ppusa (05:12 PM) ppusa: Anyway, the main points are you have to know when you are breaking congestion and when you are due for a bounce (05:12 PM) Buffy_04364: you are leaving us behind (05:12 PM) Buffy_04364: so when you see the higher high on the down row you are looking for the pop (05:12 PM) leont_2: congestion can brek either wat (05:12 PM) Buffy_04364: ?? (05:12 PM) ppusa: I was in the middle of typing the 16 thing and should have waited (05:13 PM) qatwo: on that scale you did not get a pnf reversaly until it got to 1620 or so did you? (05:13 PM) ppusa: correct (05:13 PM) Buffy_04364: correct to me or to qatwo? (05:13 PM) ppusa: 1639 high of bounce minus 16 Paltalk: Press the INVITE button NOW! Get your friends in on the fun! Invite them to join us on PalTalk today! (05:13 PM) ppusa: qatwo (05:14 PM) Buffy_04364: how about my ? (05:14 PM) ppusa: hang on buffy, reading your comment (05:14 PM) Buffy_04364: why minus 16? (05:14 PM) Orprepus: why minus 16pt? (05:14 PM) ppusa: use them all (05:14 PM) ppusa: Mic me (05:14 PM) Buffy_04364: ??????? (05:14 PM) Buffy_04364: just use the mic (05:14 PM) Buffy_04364: I will type what you say (05:14 PM) Buffy_04364: like in Howard's class (05:15 PM) leont_2: y (05:15 PM) Orprepus: y (05:15 PM) rambler_12: i here u (05:15 PM) leont_2: ok (05:15 PM) Orprepus: if you do not mind (05:15 PM) Buffy_04364: I can't hear him (05:15 PM) ppusa: everyone hear? (05:15 PM) Buffy_04364: no (05:15 PM) dave_b_quick: i hear (05:15 PM) Orprepus: no (05:15 PM) qatwo: no (05:15 PM) Hank500: I can (05:15 PM) GGriz: n (05:15 PM) rambler_12: u need speakers (05:15 PM) Buffy_04364: ok going to have to go out and come back in (05:15 PM) ab_18: y (05:15 PM) Buffy_04364: hang on (05:15 PM) leont_2: buffy can you hear? (05:16 PM) Orprepus: me too - be back (05:16 PM) Buffy_04364: don't even show him using the mic (05:16 PM) leont_2: p is talking now (05:16 PM) Buffy_04364: no mic showing for him back in a sec (05:17 PM) Buffy_04364: try again please (05:17 PM) Buffy_04364: drat meant to save that first (05:17 PM) qatwo: k (05:17 PM) Buffy_04364: yes I can (05:17 PM) Orprepus: yes (05:17 PM) Buffy_04364: did anyone save the room today (05:17 PM) Orprepus: sound great (05:17 PM) leont_2: so where do you enter? (05:17 PM) qatwo: fine (05:17 PM) Buffy_04364: dave? (05:17 PM) Orprepus: I did before exiting (05:17 PM) ppusa: Can anyone not hear? (05:18 PM) Buffy_04364: I forgot to please send file (05:18 PM) Buffy_04364: where you looking for an upside break out due to higher low on down leg (05:18 PM) Buffy_04364: first consolidation on the chart (05:18 PM) Buffy_04364: could you hear me? (05:19 PM) Orprepus: I could hear you (05:19 PM) Daniel X: yes (05:19 PM) rambler_12: yes buf (05:19 PM) qatwo: she needs the basics of pnf (05:19 PM) Buffy_04364: ok so you are talking about the last green row (05:20 PM) Buffy_04364: I was talking about the bounce out of the consolidation at the bottom of big drop down (05:21 PM) Buffy_04364: I think you are right qatwo I need to do some basic studying of PnF (05:21 PM) qatwo: all of today's data is the last two boxes (05:21 PM) Buffy_04364: at least our charts match (05:21 PM) Buffy_04364: ok so what different box sizes do you use ppusa (05:21 PM) NQoos: what is name of chart all looking at (05:22 PM) Buffy_04364: PnF4 (05:22 PM) mazz: hi guyz (05:22 PM) Cooliooo: YO (05:22 PM) Cooliooo: Hi Mazz (05:22 PM) Cooliooo: Who R U (05:22 PM) mazz: say sumthing (05:22 PM) raza4uall: he jabus (05:22 PM) Cooliooo: A/S/L (05:22 PM) mazz: oi (05:23 PM) mazz: wot do u mean sho am i (05:23 PM) Cooliooo: Raza is going to do that (05:23 PM) mazz: sharam karo (05:23 PM) raza4uall: y (05:23 PM) Cooliooo: Karli (05:23 PM) mazz: acha (05:23 PM) mazz: lol (05:23 PM) Cooliooo: hahahaha (05:23 PM) Cooliooo: wah (05:23 PM) Cooliooo: wah (05:23 PM) Buffy_04364: ok so longer TF overrides it all (05:23 PM) Cooliooo: awh (05:23 PM) Cooliooo: wah (05:23 PM) Cooliooo: gr8 (05:23 PM) mazz: lol (05:23 PM) mazz: :P (05:23 PM) Cooliooo: haha (05:23 PM) ppusa: correct (05:23 PM) mazz: dat was gr8 (05:23 PM) raza4uall: how was tht ppl (05:24 PM) mazz: good (05:24 PM) raza4uall: u say something mariam (05:24 PM) raza4uall: apa (05:24 PM) raza4uall: appa (05:24 PM) Buffy_04364: what are the other box sizes you track ppusa (05:24 PM) raza4uall: wah wahhawhahshahdhlkasdasdasd (05:24 PM) raza4uall: asd (05:24 PM) raza4uall: asdasl;djasd] (05:24 PM) raza4uall: asdfksdkfsd (05:24 PM) raza4uall: skdf'sdkf's' (05:24 PM) raza4uall: gajkdg] (05:24 PM) raza4uall: dadjhaskd (05:25 PM) leont_2: are we still on P? (05:25 PM) raza4uall: ggksd (05:25 PM) raza4uall: apsddnlasnhdfsf (05:25 PM) Buffy_04364: Cooliooo has been bounced from the group (05:25 PM) raza4uall: world breaking (05:25 PM) ppusa: doesw that clarify some of your questions? I use 4.5.6.10.15.16.25.50,75.125.200 (05:25 PM) Buffy_04364: raza4uall has been bounced from the group (05:25 PM) ppusa: thank you (05:25 PM) leont_2: are those time frames? (05:25 PM) dave_b_quick: mazz has been bounced from the group (05:26 PM) Buffy_04364: tks dave (05:26 PM) ppusa: pnf is based on price, not time (05:26 PM) Buffy_04364: couldn't keep up (05:26 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL (05:26 PM) leont_2: thank you (05:26 PM) dave_b_quick: anybody else? (make my day) (05:26 PM) ppusa: going to mic (05:26 PM) Orprepus: thanks for the boots (05:26 PM) dave_b_quick: yes (05:26 PM) Buffy_04364: ok so those are different box sizes on what tf do you look at them the 1 or 5 minute? (05:27 PM) Buffy_04364: when I say a 4pt chart I mean a 400 by 1rev (05:27 PM) Buffy_04364: that is 4tick reversal chart (05:27 PM) qatwo: k thankx (05:27 PM) ppusa: 4 tick 100 by 4 (05:27 PM) ab_18: easy a little slower (05:28 PM) Buffy_04364: a 4tick chart? (05:28 PM) Buffy_04364: missing something here (05:28 PM) Buffy_04364: I figured out how to do it also roger (05:29 PM) Buffy_04364: and what is the 25 TF (05:29 PM) Buffy_04364: nope losing me (05:29 PM) Buffy_04364: what is the tf (05:30 PM) leont_2: if you are so inclined go over some other trades in the future today i'm fried (05:30 PM) Buffy_04364: ok so the 4-5-6-10-15-16 would be on the 1M (05:30 PM) Buffy_04364: and the 25-50-75-125-200 on the 5M? (05:30 PM) Buffy_04364: finally getting this (05:31 PM) Buffy_04364: the 5min gets what then (05:31 PM) Buffy_04364: other than the 25 (05:31 PM) rambler_12: i can point but i cant figure--- point and go figure : ) (05:31 PM) ppusa: lol (05:31 PM) Orprepus: he he (05:31 PM) Buffy_04364: ok lets summarize this (05:31 PM) Buffy_04364: 1min gets the 4-5-6-10-15-16 (05:32 PM) Buffy_04364: 5min gets the 25-50 (05:32 PM) Buffy_04364: 1hr gets the 75-125-200 (05:32 PM) Buffy_04364: gret (05:32 PM) Roger Schelling: Here is a really cool site to sit down and get a good lesson on PNF.....i know just enough to follow this discussion (05:32 PM) Roger Schelling: http://208.149.108.6/cgi-bin/foxweb.exe/d:/foxapps/fwuniv (05:32 PM) Orprepus: thx roger (05:33 PM) Orprepus: say again please (05:33 PM) rambler_12: thx roger (05:33 PM) Buffy_04364: also many links under dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart.com links (05:34 PM) Buffy_04364: same with 3LB (05:34 PM) Orprepus: yes long term on any chart not as accurate (05:34 PM) Buffy_04364: so you have your screeens full of all these little charts (05:34 PM) Orprepus: Roger -right - stay away from consoldiation chop and trade the trend (05:35 PM) Buffy_04364: waves also play a part (05:35 PM) Buffy_04364: ppusa found us roger (05:35 PM) Buffy_04364: great trader (05:36 PM) Buffy_04364: the smaller time frames have to reverse too (05:40 PM) Orprepus: what MA's on charts (05:41 PM) Buffy_04364: which one roger? missed it oh ok the sox (05:42 PM) Buffy_04364: see the 3 lows on pnf at about 1675? (05:42 PM) Roger Schelling: $osx (05:42 PM) leont_2: do you follow the tick? a high tick reading signals institutions (05:42 PM) Roger Schelling: on the daily (05:42 PM) Buffy_04364: is that called a triple bottom break out? Paltalk: You DO have a choice! Buy bannerless to end your popup blues today! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. Only $9.95 a year! That's less than THREE CENTS per day! WOW!!! (05:44 PM) Buffy_04364: Mike and I call it bollinger band ping pong (05:44 PM) qatwo: bb's on the pnf? (05:45 PM) Buffy_04364: miss the train find an inside bar LOL (05:45 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL (05:45 PM) Buffy_04364: a BB of 13,2 on the real move the band will move as price approaches (05:45 PM) Buffy_04364: otherwise stays flat (05:46 PM) Buffy_04364: and sell when touched (05:46 PM) Buffy_04364: or buy when touched (05:46 PM) Buffy_04364: works both ways (05:46 PM) Buffy_04364: PA rules!!! (05:46 PM) Buffy_04364: we all know the feeling (05:46 PM) Buffy_04364: INSIDE BAR (05:46 PM) Buffy_04364: dave had to go down to 2 minute to find one (05:47 PM) Buffy_04364: lost you (05:47 PM) Buffy_04364: we had one today didn't we roger? (05:47 PM) Buffy_04364: under the HnS in the 75T chart (05:48 PM) Buffy_04364: Does anyone switch between layouts during the day? If so does ensign do it fast? (05:48 PM) GGriz: very fast (05:48 PM) Buffy_04364: thanks (05:48 PM) qatwo: yes pretty fast (05:48 PM) Roger Schelling: yes i do Buffy (05:48 PM) Roger Schelling: depends on internet conn and processor (05:49 PM) Orprepus: I do - yes pretty fast (05:49 PM) Buffy_04364: ok so switching between this set up and reg set up shouldn't be a problem (05:49 PM) Buffy_04364: love it (05:49 PM) Buffy_04364: thanks (05:49 PM) GGriz: depends too on how much stuff is on the layout (05:49 PM) Roger Schelling: i use one mainily but generally 2-3 during the quiet times (05:50 PM) qatwo: u2 thanks (05:51 PM) Orprepus: thanks PP - sure will have more questions in the future (05:52 PM) Orprepus: like to learn PnF because it only considers price (05:52 PM) ppusa: any more questions (05:53 PM) leont_2: thanks p (05:53 PM) Orprepus: not from me going to look at more this weekend (05:53 PM) leont_2: bon week end (05:53 PM) Buffy_04364: thank you (05:53 PM) Roger Schelling: Thank you. (05:53 PM) Orprepus: have a great weekend (05:54 PM) dave_b_quick: thanks much! (05:54 PM) ppusa: Hope that was worth something...see ya all monday (05:54 PM) GGriz: thanks (05:54 PM) Roger Schelling: i'l be here too...was not aware of this EXTRA room///.......DUH (05:54 PM) dave_b_quick: Good weekend all (05:54 PM) dave_b_quick: are we extra? (05:54 PM) Roger Schelling: lol (05:54 PM) Buffy_04364: ok everyone just posted a 3LB (05:54 PM) Roger Schelling: ok (05:54 PM) Roger Schelling: THE ROOM :) (05:54 PM) Buffy_04364: of the f5M (05:54 PM) Buffy_04364: 5M (05:55 PM) Buffy_04364: for comparison (05:55 PM) Buffy_04364: 2 is for the reversal (05:55 PM) Buffy_04364: go ahead (05:56 PM) Buffy_04364: you are buying a pullback for late today (05:56 PM) Buffy_04364: yes a breakout is when previous high is exceed or low (05:56 PM) Buffy_04364: who you asking roger (05:57 PM) qatwo: the usual buy is when the blue box goes above a previous blue box (05:57 PM) GGriz: yes I have EW (05:57 PM) Buffy_04364: yep we used to set the scale (05:57 PM) Buffy_04364: that is how we started (05:57 PM) qatwo: sell when the red goes below a previous red row (05:57 PM) qatwo: row not box (05:57 PM) Buffy_04364: I still think 3LB is my favorite (05:58 PM) Buffy_04364: but will play with this also (05:58 PM) qatwo: so different box sizes give different buy and sell signals (05:58 PM) Buffy_04364: yes (05:58 PM) Buffy_04364: candles to "talk" to you (05:58 PM) Buffy_04364: always have one up (05:59 PM) GGriz: thanks All (05:59 PM) Buffy_04364: only one fack out on 3lb today (05:59 PM) Buffy_04364: yes it has been good (05:59 PM) Buffy_04364: still hot and humid here (05:59 PM) Buffy_04364: no storms yet (05:59 PM) Buffy_04364: :-( (06:00 PM) Orprepus: where are you located buffy/ (06:00 PM) Buffy_04364: 3lb5 is last one posted (06:00 PM) Buffy_04364: Maine (06:00 PM) ppusa: buffy what is the name of your 3lb chart? (06:01 PM) Buffy_04364: 3LB5.gif (06:01 PM) Buffy_04364: have you ever looked at it ppusa? (06:02 PM) Buffy_04364: use reversal of 2 for all intraday stuff and 3 for daily (06:02 PM) ppusa: no (06:02 PM) Buffy_04364: no box size necessary (06:02 PM) Buffy_04364: based on the close (06:02 PM) Buffy_04364: no (06:02 PM) Buffy_04364: based on just the high and low of the bar (06:03 PM) Orprepus: when will today's txt file be posted on dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart? (06:03 PM) Orprepus: want to look at on the weekend (06:03 PM) Buffy_04364: I didn't save the first one so can't do it (06:03 PM) Buffy_04364: Dave have you got it?? (06:03 PM) ppusa: i have it (06:03 PM) Buffy_04364: I wrote everything down regarding the PnF (06:04 PM) ppusa: what do i do to post it (06:04 PM) Buffy_04364: would you forward it to me at unicorn@ctel.net to edit?