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You can post charts at www.DaCharts.com Spammers & hecklers get the boot. ppusa: hi dave_b_quick: good morning Paltalk: Please visit our advertisers by clicking on banners. trendvue_cj: good morning.. ppusa: gm dave_b_quick: good morning ppusa: i was quite surprised at the runup we had at yesterday's close. dave_b_quick: that was impressive. probably doesn't take much on those light days ppusa: i expected the 60 but maybe at night ppusa: wham, we were there ppusa: this should be fun trendvue_cj: dave, they change the class format at trendvue site, so this room may get more popular! dave_b_quick: oh, i didn't notice. what did they do? trendvue_cj: I think Teresa is going to do 90M in the a.m. and Mike will be doing 90M in the p.m. every day..so no much free time left in between.. trendvue_cj: not much.. dave_b_quick: oh, wow, so no more Thursday class for mike? trendvue_cj: no, every day in the afternoon instead.. dave_b_quick: i see it now, so free is only from 11:00 - 1:45 EST trendvue_cj: correct.. trendvue_cj: so you better start charging! :) dave_b_quick: hahaha, ya, maybe i better learn to trade first dave_b_quick: i liked your afternoon session yesterday, CJ trendvue_cj: that will take care of everything :) trendvue_cj: :) dave_b_quick: people would certainly pay for a piece of CJ gravestonedoggie: good morning comrades trendvue_cj: dave, your site is going to become a valuable source of information at this rate...I hope you'll have enough storage space for all that without erasing..:) ppusa: gm dave_b_quick: they give me 150Mb for $5 before i upgrade to a bigger pkg dave_b_quick: no 50Mb dave_b_quick: that's a lot of room, we didn't use 1Mb yet trendvue_cj: oh, that's great then.. GGriz: I have a couple of questions GGriz: is there a moderator? dave_b_quick: i guess you could call me a moderator trendvue_cj: be back in a bit dave_b_quick: ok GGriz: tnx, r u all mostly trading nq? I asked yesterday, and can't remember. gravestonedoggie: site is great dave.. nice to be able to read the chat last night after being in mike's class all day GGriz: I trade es dave_b_quick: most of us trade NQ and/or ES dave_b_quick: i'd say NQ is a little more popular GGriz: k dave_b_quick: lotta people do both tomsurf: good morning all dave_b_quick: hey, Tom, how was the WS yesterday? GGriz: what is the prevailing strategy? is there a concensus on technical approaches or point of view? dave_b_quick: and GSD too Paltalk: Your friends are just a click away! Press the invite button NOW! tomsurf: dave- it was good. Format gonna be changing soon though dave_b_quick: griz, most of us have been to the trendvue workshops and use some variations of the techniques taught there, but there's a wide variety of styles here Buffy_04364: No truer words spoken Dave - Morning tomsurf: The thinking at this time is that T is gonna do the mornings and mike the afternoons...not sure how many days a week but it sounds good. Buffy_04364: That 15M retro is pretty amazing and thanks for explaining the stops Buffy_04364: That might work too Tom dave_b_quick: ya, buffy, retro trader is the trader i'd like to be Buffy_04364: would Mike still have his class? trendvue_cj: Buffy, thank you very much for the emails.. Buffy_04364: LOL me too Buffy_04364: you are very welcome cj Buffy_04364: aren't they interesting trendvue_cj: they are just great.. Buffy_04364: I noticed Howard posted a chart yesterday with the tick overlaid tomsurf: make it three for the 15min ;-) gravestonedoggie: mike will only do later in day... and sounds like he will no longer teach, just indicate what he is oing Buffy_04364: showing great trades off of the idvergence gravestonedoggie: doing Buffy_04364: oh okk Buffy_04364: too bad about Mike Buffy_04364: He seemed to like teaching gravestonedoggie: like retro-man too dave gravestonedoggie: what is "1tic retracement" gravestonedoggie: ? dave_b_quick: trailing stop 1 tic above/below last 5m bar gravestonedoggie: tecahing takes too much time he says.. he cant trade while teaching Buffy_04364: and in a way sad when his students were "grown up" enough to be on their own Buffy_04364: no he doesnt Buffy_04364: his sole focus is on the class gravestonedoggie: so if doing multiple sessions in a week, teaching would be too distracting rom trading dave_b_quick: gotta run take my dotter to work, back in 15 tomsurf: mike is gonna teach still just not the all day session Buffy_04364: Oh dave thanks for the email gravestonedoggie: thn xdave Buffy_04364: I am sure T will keep us informed gravestonedoggie: he said yest was last class of the series Buffy_04364: hmmm, and I didn't go cause of crashes on computer day before tomsurf: gsd, true...last class of it's kind Buffy_04364: and didn't want to be in class with it going on tomsurf: Buffy, that's what I thought Buffy_04364: hope he keeps the charts up from the past classes Buffy_04364: nq down to 1758.50 Buffy_04364: can't hold take out of pyra support at 1755-1756 Buffy_04364: I see we have another report to watch out for at ten am ppusa: is 52 lod and we run to 1800 or 1780 hod and we go to 17 Buffy_04364: 1752.50 Daniel X: Good morning everyone! Daniel X: looks like alot of the gang took the day off...attendance is down. (09:17 AM) Daniel X: Pivot Point@1757 1rst sup@1749 2nd sup@1741 1rst res@1765 2nd res@1773 (09:18 AM) gravestonedoggie: it's a summer friday... market attendance may be down (09:19 AM) Buffy_04364: pyra is within pennies on resistance and within a pt or two on support (09:19 AM) Buffy_04364: very interesting (09:19 AM) Daniel X: 40 point bound (09:19 AM) Daniel X: hope not Paltalk: Go bannerless and support PalTalk! Subscribe today! Only $9.95 a year! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. (09:22 AM) Buffy_04364: me too no fun (09:22 AM) Buffy_04364: or harder to have fun I should say (09:22 AM) Buffy_04364: Mike says the info on the new format is on the website and an email will be going out tonight or tomorrow morning on it (09:24 AM) boomer_95: DAniel...what site posts those pivots again".? (09:24 AM) gravestonedoggie: http://www.trendvue.com/display/?item=/interactive/workshop.html (09:25 AM) gravestonedoggie: that is where the 90 minutes pm session is described... 1:45 to close (09:25 AM) Buffy_04364: What are they charging for both now or can you do either/or? (09:26 AM) Buffy_04364: I can wait and read the email later (09:26 AM) Buffy_04364: sorry (09:26 AM) gravestonedoggie: 80 a week both, 50 a week for each alone (09:26 AM) Daniel X: Boomer sorry wasn't paying attention,give me a sec (09:26 AM) gravestonedoggie: at least, that is how it appears on a quickk glance (09:26 AM) cctraderx: boomer - alaron.com type s&p (09:27 AM) cctraderx: click s&p and scroll down (09:27 AM) tomsurf: http://www.alaron.com/research/sp.htm here is the link for Alaron (09:28 AM) cctraderx: stelaronline.com has the pivot calculator in which you enter the hi lo and close and it calculates, its on the right side (09:28 AM) Buffy_04364: tks gsd (09:28 AM) Daniel X: www.lind-waldlock.com/courses/pivot/pivotpoints_files/frame.htm (09:29 AM) boomer_95: thx (09:29 AM) Buffy_04364: got a could not be displayed daniel (09:29 AM) Daniel X: np (09:29 AM) Daniel X: ?? (09:29 AM) Buffy_04364: that code red worm is spreading much slower than they thought it would (09:30 AM) Buffy_04364: I copied the address into the browser and hit enter and it says page cannot be displayed (09:30 AM) Daniel X: sorry waldock (09:31 AM) Buffy_04364: much better thanks (09:31 AM) Daniel X: wlcm (09:32 AM) Daniel X: ouch broke everything! (09:33 AM) Daniel X: except the MAs (09:33 AM) Daniel X: gonna try and play Pre RetroTrader! (09:34 AM) Buffy_04364: Let us know how you do! (09:34 AM) Buffy_04364: then we can all want to be like you :-) (09:34 AM) Daniel X: he he (09:35 AM) jimbo_320: morning all (09:35 AM) Daniel X: g'mornin (09:36 AM) Buffy_04364: morning jimbo (09:36 AM) ppusa: i covered my shorts from late yesterday and am looking to reinitiate higher for anyone who is followiing (09:36 AM) jimbo_320: maybe 1220 goes today hehe (09:37 AM) dave_b_quick: Orprepus is the real retro trader, just one trade yesterday for 36 points... (09:38 AM) ppusa: i admire traders who can stick with poasitions like op...i can't (09:40 AM) John FF: 36 is sup level 2 this am (09:44 AM) John FF: would like to buy 47 following a break above and retrace (09:46 AM) ppusa: yesterday's low 1727.5... I still won't buy until we have a down day (09:46 AM) cheetah55: short es (09:46 AM) ppusa: but then i missed every long trade for the past 3 days (09:47 AM) Daniel X: retro trade coming up at the break below 38 confirmed by 5 min inside bar (09:47 AM) Daniel X: lets see (09:47 AM) cheetah55: out (09:48 AM) Daniel X: 46 Pivot above (09:49 AM) Daniel X: hey Dave how's Retro Doing Paltalk: Please support our sponsors by clicking on banners. (09:50 AM) dave_b_quick: retro is doing home improvements until next time he looks at the chat at 9:59 (09:50 AM) dave_b_quick: chart (09:51 AM) cheetah55: short again (09:52 AM) Iceblue27: nq to 1754 and then down I think (09:53 AM) Daniel X: what reports are we getting @ 10 am (09:53 AM) ppusa: i am questioning whether or not we opened on the intra-day high or might we retest last nights (09:53 AM) John FF: 50-55 critical res (09:55 AM) ppusa: cheetah, i shorted again but just covered (09:55 AM) cheetah55: ok ppusa (09:55 AM) cheetah55: looking for es lows to break here (09:56 AM) cheetah55: if not in 2 mins I am out (09:56 AM) ppusa: will probably sit until i have an answeer to my previous question (09:56 AM) jimbo_320: out es +4 (09:57 AM) cheetah55: out of es +2.00 (09:57 AM) cheetah55: nice jimbo (09:57 AM) jimbo_320: 2 aint bad either cheetah (09:58 AM) Daniel X: sell limit@ 38... stop 43.. lets see what happens (09:58 AM) cheetah55: makes up for small loss on shorting too early (09:58 AM) gravestonedoggie: napm non-manufacturing at 10 (09:59 AM) Daniel X: thnx (09:59 AM) Daniel X: hope it's not whiplash (09:59 AM) cheetah55: lots of support down hear in the 16-15 area for the es (10:01 AM) dave_b_quick: 15m inside bar (10:01 AM) ppusa: s & p and Dow have lower lows today than yester. Nas should follow but (10:01 AM) Daniel X: filled 38 stop @43 (10:01 AM) jimbo_320: not many buyers out there today (10:03 AM) Buffy_04364: need buyers to go up along with volume - nothing to go down :-) (10:05 AM) Daniel X: stop b/e not chancing it (10:05 AM) Buffy_04364: 2B on 75T (10:06 AM) Daniel X: damn out b/e left 5 points on the table (10:08 AM) ppusa: I hope they are nice enough to give us a bounce. Not just a bounce, but a retest. You know something significant. I know you are all thinking he is having another dream but... (10:08 AM) Buffy_04364: you aren't going to get them all Daniel and at least not minus (10:08 AM) Daniel X: true (10:08 AM) Daniel X: curious to see if my 43 stop would of held (10:08 AM) Buffy_04364: wow (10:08 AM) Indycator: hello (10:08 AM) Buffy_04364: wht happened???? (10:08 AM) Daniel X: damn u see that (10:09 AM) ppusa: no what? (10:09 AM) ppusa: pm report (10:09 AM) Daniel X: i guess rETROtRADER STRIKES AGAIN (10:09 AM) gravestonedoggie: gives you a real comfortable feeling (10:09 AM) jimbo_320: some lucky b'stard go filled at 1700 long no doubt lol (10:10 AM) ppusa: i had one P & F chart suggesting a 75 point drop but I didn't have any order in. (10:10 AM) Buffy_04364: only 180 orders got to play (10:11 AM) Daniel X: i was just about to renter short @ 39 market...woulld of sold the bottom!! (10:11 AM) jimbo_320: tick -818 (10:11 AM) jimbo_320: -902 (10:11 AM) jimbo_320: panic :-) (10:12 AM) ppusa: to bad none of us were ready for that. i thought that's why we were here. (10:12 AM) Daniel X: lol (10:12 AM) Indycator: ES taking a hit (10:12 AM) dave_b_quick: i was/am short, but i didn't have my buy limit order in at 1710 (10:13 AM) jimbo_320: only three green candles on es 3 min today (10:13 AM) Daniel X: Dave so my sell @ 38 with 43 stop qualifies as a Pre Retro Trader trade? (10:14 AM) ppusa: yea okay. all my charts have their little corrections and now I don't have a clue where the next move will be. (10:14 AM) dave_b_quick: retro got short 1 tic below the 15m inside bar at 1736.50, SL at 1741.50 didn't quite get hit, still short (10:15 AM) dave_b_quick: so yr 38 was off the 5m? (10:15 AM) Daniel X: 15 min (10:15 AM) Daniel X: i wanted momentum (10:16 AM) Daniel X: a little higher up (10:16 AM) Daniel X: hence the 38 (10:16 AM) dave_b_quick: ah so (10:16 AM) Daniel X: but moved my stop way to early to b/e (10:17 AM) dave_b_quick: did anybody hear about the report? Non farm something or other? (10:17 AM) John FF: 1722 sup. break below leads to 1710 then 1690 (10:17 AM) ppusa: i thought cnbc said napm (10:17 AM) Daniel X: time to cover Retro...higher low 5 min (10:17 AM) ppusa: wasn't really paying attention (10:18 AM) ppusa: you could have just as easily been killed on your stop if the market moved the other way Paltalk: Are banners a bummer and popups a pain? Cure your banner blues NOW for $9.95 a year! Click HELP on your Pal List then select Bannerless PalTalk to subscribe now! (10:20 AM) Daniel X: it's not what could have, but what actually has (10:20 AM) ppusa: I'm going back to bed (10:20 AM) Daniel X: cannot count hypo losses or gains (10:21 AM) ppusa: yes (10:21 AM) ppusa: coulda, woulda, shoulda (10:22 AM) ppusa: I'll be back (10:23 AM) cheetah55: short es (10:23 AM) cheetah55: might take two entries to get this right, but worth trying the early one (10:25 AM) cheetah55: out (10:25 AM) Daniel X: data down whats last NQ PLZ (10:25 AM) tomsurf: 1731 (10:25 AM) Daniel X: thnx (10:26 AM) John FF: 30.50 (10:26 AM) John FF: 30 (10:26 AM) Daniel X: ok data back...cable went dead (10:26 AM) Daniel X: thnx (10:28 AM) ppusa: I didn't have an order in and I am not long. But...my corrections are over and assuming the trend will continue, we are going up. I am not playing this. I am going to wait for whatever I see next (10:29 AM) gravestonedoggie: had 3 es pts, tried to cover under 10.. never got it... out with 1/2 pt (10:29 AM) cheetah55: short again (10:29 AM) Daniel X: you're not counting the death spike as part of the correction are you? (10:29 AM) gravestonedoggie: will short in here (10:30 AM) cheetah55: gsd, I know that feeling (10:31 AM) ppusa: yes i am... I would like to think we have seen the high of the month but I can't say that, only think it (10:31 AM) dave_b_quick: 15m inside bar completed (10:31 AM) cheetah55: anyone using the teachtrade.com free trail? Interested in knowing if they have shorted this. (10:31 AM) dave_b_quick: no, they didn't make a trade recommendation (10:31 AM) John FF: no, no trades today on TT (10:31 AM) cheetah55: tx john (10:32 AM) gravestonedoggie: well got 1 1/2 there (10:32 AM) mike_bruns: dave. Nice retro charts. (10:32 AM) gravestonedoggie: for the traders we could ahve been (10:32 AM) dave_b_quick: thanks, mike, retro is short today from 1736.50 (10:32 AM) John FF: just said no rec today due to volatility (10:32 AM) cheetah55: so TT lost a couple the first day and made 9 ES pts yest? (10:33 AM) mike_bruns: 15M will be mentaly tough for many but reat tradng until chop. (10:33 AM) mike_bruns: mentally tough for many but great .... (10:33 AM) dave_b_quick: trying to develop the 15m mindset here (10:33 AM) cheetah55: who posts those retro charts? (10:33 AM) dave_b_quick: :>) (10:33 AM) mike_bruns: For those uninitiated to my typing skills, I retyped. (10:33 AM) gravestonedoggie: retro trader gets his 15 minutes of fame (10:34 AM) tomsurf: mike- clear as a bell (10:34 AM) gravestonedoggie: retro trader wearing bell bottoms today (10:35 AM) dave_b_quick: hahaha, mike's been pointing out the successes of the 15m trader for a long time, so retro is a study of just how well the dedicated 15m trader could do (10:35 AM) John FF: watch for break of 22 (10:35 AM) gravestonedoggie: retro a winner in my book (10:35 AM) gravestonedoggie: i jsut entered a buy when i meant a sell (10:36 AM) gravestonedoggie: hehe (10:36 AM) gravestonedoggie: easy on ib (10:36 AM) Orprepus: retro guru - master of holy grail (10:36 AM) gravestonedoggie: unfortunatley, i immediately covered the long for = 1/4 (10:36 AM) gravestonedoggie: = 1/4 (10:36 AM) dave_b_quick: there you orprepus, i was looking for you (10:36 AM) gravestonedoggie: would be up 1 /12 if i kept it (10:37 AM) gravestonedoggie: damn, i should not correct my mistakes so fast... hehe (10:37 AM) Orprepus: let late start day - what did you all do to the market - anyoe short the morning? (10:37 AM) dave_b_quick: i shorted the NQ15m inside bar, just covered at 1728 (10:38 AM) gravestonedoggie: short brreakfast (10:38 AM) Orprepus: great (10:38 AM) ppusa: we all went short and caught the low of the day. where were you (10:38 AM) gravestonedoggie: hehe (10:38 AM) mike_bruns: ROFLOL (10:38 AM) dave_b_quick: orp, i was gonna ask you what triggered your short yesterday at 1768? (10:39 AM) ppusa: made 39 ticks to out do your trade from yesterday (10:39 AM) cheetah55: sropped out of es short +.75 (10:39 AM) gravestonedoggie: see there was a beuatiful 2 min macd buy, right when i was going long by mistake (10:39 AM) cctraderx: gsd, kicking self now (10:39 AM) tomsurf: dave- good job, I really like the "retro trader" idea and posting of his moves ;-) (10:39 AM) John FF: going up (10:40 AM) dave_b_quick: tom, it's good exercise for me (10:40 AM) gravestonedoggie: 5 min es hammer too (10:40 AM) Indycator: dave, are you taking the trades or just tracking the retro trader? (10:40 AM) dave_b_quick: i took that last one (10:41 AM) tomsurf: yes, I'm sure it helps to reinforce the longer term mindset. (10:41 AM) cheetah55: short es (10:44 AM) Orprepus: pits waiting for smart money - will they take it down? (10:45 AM) dave_b_quick: the big orders this AM have been sales so far (10:45 AM) gravestonedoggie: wouldnt youknow, nq goes down and es sits there (10:47 AM) cheetah55: out +1.5 (10:47 AM) cheetah55: darn thing doesn't want to go down (10:49 AM) gravestonedoggie: hate that Paltalk: Click banners to visit our sponsors. (10:54 AM) John FF: 1st hr fib numbers sug 35 res and 21 sup (10:54 AM) John FF: pretty much trading range last hr (10:55 AM) jimbo_320: i hate chop (10:56 AM) ppusa: we are trading right at the intraday one hour chart 200 bar moving average. There is a reasonable chance that we will go sideways for the rest of the day. So if you try and go with a trend, it may reverse and it might be better to buy dips and sell rallies (10:56 AM) gravestonedoggie: downside a bit tired (10:56 AM) jimbo_320: just tried a long and got stung, so count me out again (10:57 AM) cheetah55: The es has some room to go up. Way below the 30ma or 34 ema on the 5 min chart. (10:58 AM) cheetah55: This sideways on the ES down in this area is very negative. (10:58 AM) gravestonedoggie: es and nq fell out of rising wedges o21n 60 min (10:58 AM) ppusa: same with nas but the bias is down so chop chop (10:58 AM) John FF: 1728 50% fib retracement (10:59 AM) gravestonedoggie: my cat typed that 21 in there (10:59 AM) gravestonedoggie: walked over the keyboard (10:59 AM) ppusa: i like dogs (11:00 AM) gravestonedoggie: so do i (11:00 AM) cheetah55: Don't let your cat hit the "transmit" button (11:00 AM) ppusa: i'm sure you have a very nice cat (11:00 AM) gravestonedoggie: hehe (11:00 AM) gravestonedoggie: very old cat.. equivalent of 80 year old man (11:00 AM) gravestonedoggie: i fed him once and he adopted me (11:01 AM) gravestonedoggie: many years ago (11:01 AM) dave_b_quick: 15m inside bar (11:01 AM) ppusa: after 8 down bars (11:01 AM) gravestonedoggie: has that retro look (11:02 AM) ppusa: might even get a dead cat bounce (sorry gravestone) (11:02 AM) gravestonedoggie: hehe (11:02 AM) gravestonedoggie: not over my gravestone (11:03 AM) gravestonedoggie: you doggie (11:03 AM) ppusa: here it comes (11:04 AM) gravestonedoggie: having taken that class yesterday, i am looking at so many things, my head is spinning (11:04 AM) Buffy_04364: been on phone chop chop time? (11:04 AM) ricktrades: GSD same here....need to sort it out over the weekend (11:04 AM) gravestonedoggie: i think i need a class to get my head screwed back on (11:04 AM) cctraderx: thought you had deserted us for the day,hehe (11:05 AM) gravestonedoggie: they should offer a post class therapy session... make some extra $ (11:05 AM) ppusa: bufy who were you talking to that was so important? (11:05 AM) ricktrades: yeah.....I see one thing but then see another and by then it's too late (11:05 AM) Buffy_04364: my bridge student (11:05 AM) cctraderx: they do, now the late 90 min class, hehe gsd (11:05 AM) Buffy_04364: he had a few hands from last nights club game he wanted to discuss (11:06 AM) cheetah55: gsd, mike's class? (11:06 AM) cctraderx: at least he didnt cost you any money this time (11:07 AM) gravestonedoggie: yes (11:07 AM) gravestonedoggie: was very good class (11:07 AM) gravestonedoggie: but a lot to absorb (11:09 AM) gravestonedoggie: only i can cost myself money (11:09 AM) ppusa: there is your higher high on the 15 minute chart (11:10 AM) ppusa: by a whopping 1/2 point (11:10 AM) Buffy_04364: guys, Howard just posted an upgrade to ensign that fixed the big cross cursor if you use it! (11:10 AM) dave_b_quick: ya, even retro trader gets faked out once in a while (11:10 AM) Buffy_04364: I am going to get it now as it is driving me nuts (11:10 AM) gravestonedoggie: going to drop in onother room for a few minutes (11:10 AM) ppusa: that reminds me, where is 4nq? (11:10 AM) dave_b_quick: retro is long 1728.5, SL 1723.5 (11:11 AM) dave_b_quick: was (11:11 AM) ppusa: i gotta ensign fix for him (11:11 AM) gravestonedoggie: is other room still closed? (11:11 AM) dave_b_quick: ill go see (11:11 AM) Buffy_04364: think he is in the room or I just PM'd him asking if I could go back a version (11:12 AM) dave_b_quick: trendvue is still locked down (11:15 AM) gravestonedoggie: hehe... (11:15 AM) dave_b_quick: they must be having such a good time they forgot what time it is (11:16 AM) gravestonedoggie: prisoners of the market Paltalk: Love PalTalk but hate the banners and popups? Go bannerless! Only $9.95 per year! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. (11:23 AM) John FF: anyone long the naz? (11:25 AM) Buffy_04364: well sad to say it isn't all fixed yet (11:26 AM) jimbo_320: i hate choppy uptrend, if i'd of held my long, i'd been up 3 on es but got chopped out, anyone else play these ? (11:26 AM) Buffy_04364: dealing with software here (11:26 AM) tomsurf: John- believe dave is off the 15min (11:27 AM) cheetah55: short es Welcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders. Most of us follow methods taught at intelligentspeculator.com. We're here when "TRENDVUE TRADERS WKSHOP" is locked down for a paid session. You can post charts at www.DaCharts.com Spammers & hecklers get the boot. (11:30 AM) jimbo_320: doggie, the problem was is was the right tradeat the time all the signals were right i had a target of 1214 which it met, it was a good trade, except for the ...... chop, i hate it (11:31 AM) gravestonedoggie: yeah (11:32 AM) dave_b_quick: john, tom, i got stopped out of my NQ15m long and didn't re-enter (11:32 AM) gravestonedoggie: choppy uptrend (11:32 AM) tomsurf: dave- ok (11:32 AM) gravestonedoggie: whoa.. nother death spike (11:33 AM) John FF: so long as it doesn';t get above 35, target remains 1710 (11:34 AM) John FF: naz cash and sox dropping (11:34 AM) jimbo_320: doggie hate em, that spiked me out last time (11:36 AM) gravestonedoggie: a mess here (11:37 AM) jimbo_320: choppy crap, i'm taking lunch off (11:37 AM) jimbo_320: ciau (11:37 AM) dave_b_quick: wow, trendvue still locked. Teresa's flu must have her off her schedule. (11:37 AM) cheetah55: out at b/e on es short (11:38 AM) cheetah55: short again (11:39 AM) cheetah55: heck, just gonna keep a wide stop....if this breaks down today I do not want to miss it. This is a decent spot for a short (11:40 AM) cheetah55: This chop is just meant to confuse everyone so that no one is short/long when the move starts. (11:42 AM) dave_b_quick: ya, i think so (11:42 AM) gravestonedoggie: tend to agree with you, cheetah... i know i'm plenty confused (11:43 AM) cctraderx: how wide cheetah (11:43 AM) bigrexxx: tick quite the bounce off lod about 1300 low to hi (11:43 AM) cctraderx: no confused, just chopped gsd (11:43 AM) gravestonedoggie: hehe (11:44 AM) gravestonedoggie: yeah, ticks all over the place (11:45 AM) gravestonedoggie: guess we are not the only ones confused (11:46 AM) gravestonedoggie: looks like keeps running stops either side (11:47 AM) gravestonedoggie: on es (11:47 AM) bigrexxx: nq bouncing off 60min low in %R and rsi (11:47 AM) bigrexxx: low volatility still perhaps monday get the big moves (11:48 AM) bigrexxx: short bias here after 7 up days and full moon (11:48 AM) bigrexxx: vix reversal signals all over Paltalk: Please support our sponsors by clicking on banners. (11:50 AM) cheetah55: cctrader, sorry, stepped away for a few. (11:51 AM) cctraderx: I like the lunar signal, bigrexx (11:51 AM) cctraderx: np cheetah (11:51 AM) cheetah55: stop is just above 17 (11:51 AM) bigrexxx: vix daily looks like 5/22 high (11:51 AM) gravestonedoggie: shorted 13 (11:51 AM) cctraderx: thanks cheetah (11:51 AM) cheetah55: but getting ready to drop the stop now (11:52 AM) cctraderx: ok (11:52 AM) bigrexxx: tick bouncing 1300 shows bulls not quite giving up yet (11:52 AM) cheetah55: if it breaks some more here (11:52 AM) gravestonedoggie: covered 12 (11:54 AM) cctraderx: gsd has lunch money, hehe (11:55 AM) gravestonedoggie: yeah (11:55 AM) gravestonedoggie: tried to short 13 again (11:55 AM) gravestonedoggie: no luck (11:57 AM) gravestonedoggie: ndx holding it up so far (11:58 AM) Buffy_04364: you know guys when you switch rooms, the fact that you paid for no popup ads seems to be forgotten :-( (11:58 AM) Buffy_04364: now was over with Howard hope I haven't missed anything good (11:59 AM) tomsurf: Buffy- no, no vol. and just chop (12:00 PM) ppusa: nice nap... i see we are exactly nowhere (12:00 PM) Buffy_04364: ok tks (12:01 PM) Buffy_04364: I wouldn't download the new one yet (12:02 PM) Buffy_04364: Howard is working on it - guess a lot of the problems aren't there unless you use something other than an arrow for your cursor (12:03 PM) tomsurf: Buffy, thx for the heads up (12:04 PM) Buffy_04364: wecome (12:06 PM) Buffy_04364: post 3M (12:07 PM) Buffy_04364: shows a poke bar through bottom triangle but no follow through - will it go other way now? (12:07 PM) Buffy_04364: who knows (12:14 PM) Buffy_04364: going back with Howard (12:15 PM) gravestonedoggie: hehe Paltalk: Press the INVITE button NOW! Get your friends in on the fun! Invite them to join us on PalTalk today! (12:20 PM) Orprepus: hey - I see we are still in the chop after the drop - just had something to eat - but it might wait until 1:30 or 2 cst before it starts to move again - needs some consolidation IMO -could just be in this range the rest of day being it is a Friday in Summer and Full Moon Trading Day (12:22 PM) dave_b_quick: retro trader gave up and went back to home improvement projects (12:22 PM) Indycator: .....a message from 1der, password is 'target' for the trendvue room. Apparently Teresa left and forgot to unlock the door (12:22 PM) cctraderx: lol (12:22 PM) dave_b_quick: thsnks, i was wondering what happened (12:23 PM) ppusa: does anyone know much about pivot points? (12:24 PM) tomsurf: ppusa- what's you question (12:24 PM) ppusa: how does one determnine a pp (12:25 PM) Daniel X: looks like a H&S pattern beginning on Wed..yesterday being the head with Bull or Devil horns at the open and the close with today right now testing the neckline....9 or 15 min (12:25 PM) Daniel X: lol (12:25 PM) tomsurf: simple formula of the previous days range (12:26 PM) Daniel X: Pivot Points why yes I do (12:26 PM) ppusa: which is? (12:26 PM) tomsurf: P=(H+L+C) P being the oivot (12:27 PM) tomsurf: R1= (2XP) - L (12:27 PM) tomsurf: S1= ( 2XP ) - H (12:28 PM) tomsurf: R2= P+ (R1-S1) (12:28 PM) tomsurf: S2= P - (R1-S1) (12:29 PM) tomsurf: and that's it ;-) (12:29 PM) Daniel X: beautiful system imo (12:29 PM) ppusa: does p equal h+l+c divided by 3? (12:29 PM) Daniel X: y (12:29 PM) tomsurf: Yes (12:30 PM) tomsurf: I may have typed it wrong (12:30 PM) ppusa: thanks...makes sense (12:30 PM) tomsurf: sorry (12:30 PM) Daniel X: being on your and all board it's understanable (12:31 PM) Daniel X: lol (12:31 PM) tomsurf: pivot's have been around for ever and used by floor trades.not a holy grail but I like to make a note of them each day (12:32 PM) tomsurf: If the Vol. gets any lower my bars are gonna go negative, lol (12:33 PM) Daniel X: i find that the biggest and most reliable signals occur near pivots along with PnF (12:33 PM) Daniel X: giggle (12:34 PM) Daniel X: what ever works for ya (12:34 PM) ppusa: something i've seen but never used (12:35 PM) sisepuede: is there any way to be in 2 paltak grups at the same time ? (12:35 PM) Daniel X: what i hate is that we're exactly dead center between S1 and S2 (12:36 PM) Daniel X: with flat EMAs to boot (12:37 PM) Daniel X: u have to use 2 different NICs (12:37 PM) Daniel X: SIS (12:37 PM) ppusa: i've found as long as I have an idea of what to expect for the daily range, the charts fall into place. (12:38 PM) ppusa: Then I look for buys and sells around ma's (12:38 PM) Daniel X: yes but what leads u to those ideas...experience...a feel..or charts? (12:39 PM) sisepuede: thanks Daniel I wiil try (12:39 PM) Daniel X: wlcm (12:39 PM) ppusa: both... for instance a series of point and figure buy signals will lead to a sell (12:40 PM) Daniel X: oh ok (12:40 PM) ppusa: or ma's that flatten near what i believe will be the high of the day will confirm a sell (12:40 PM) ppusa: example was the sell i called at 1750 a couple days ago (12:40 PM) ppusa: high was 54.4 (12:40 PM) ppusa: 54.5 (12:41 PM) Daniel X: which also was a pivot (12:41 PM) ppusa: 1750 was a pivot? (12:41 PM) Daniel X: yes on WED (12:41 PM) Daniel X: see what i mean (12:41 PM) Daniel X: i've been on this for a month now (12:42 PM) ppusa: it was the high of the day so how could it be a pivot if pivots are based on previous days range? (12:42 PM) Daniel X: inside day (12:42 PM) Daniel X: sorry hold on let me check (12:42 PM) jim9030328: I am going to read Dosey's book on point and figure this weekend. Are p & F charts helpful in short term reading? (12:43 PM) jim9030328: reading=trADING (12:43 PM) Daniel X: yes imo (12:43 PM) ppusa: i believe so in combination (12:43 PM) Daniel X: ditto (12:43 PM) ppusa: but here is the deal with p and f (12:44 PM) ppusa: one, it is hard to call longer term corrections...Ask anyone in this room, I was looking for a 50 point drop for 3 days (12:45 PM) jim9030328: thx (12:45 PM) ppusa: two, i have found you need a series of buy signals before you get a longer term sell...and this is the part that you must understand (12:46 PM) ppusa: it is the same as saying price must move further away from a moving average before you get a major corrction (12:48 PM) ppusa: and when you cross a moving average, where as you think you will get a significant correction, you don't, (12:48 PM) ppusa: because price travels in waves, you don't get the correction until you get to the top of the wave (12:49 PM) ppusa: please send 2 cents to my post office box Paltalk: You DO have a choice! Buy bannerless to end your popup blues today! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. Only $9.95 a year! That's less than THREE CENTS per day! WOW!!! (12:50 PM) Daniel X: ppusa...if you use all of PP tools you will find that it is not hard at all to call corrections (12:50 PM) Daniel X: Bullish % charts (12:51 PM) Daniel X: for 1 (12:51 PM) ppusa: maybe you can guide me thru those next week (12:51 PM) Daniel X: aauuugghhhh! (12:51 PM) Daniel X: i do not use them (12:51 PM) Daniel X: i subcribe to an expert! (12:52 PM) Daniel X: OJ....Jerry Olsen (12:52 PM) Daniel X: comemtary letters (12:52 PM) Daniel X: and trade moves (12:53 PM) Daniel X: oh yes and i beleive that 1750 sell was wed R1 or R2 not sure which (12:54 PM) ab_18: are PP tools in the book/CD (12:54 PM) Daniel X: actually was 54 (12:54 PM) Daniel X: book? u mean T-Lo's ? (12:54 PM) ppusa: i can see that. I thought you meant it was the pivot point (12:54 PM) Daniel X: dunno don't have it (12:55 PM) Daniel X: well in essence it was calculated based on the Pivot it what i meant (12:55 PM) ab_18: About PP tools where do you get them (12:56 PM) Daniel X: scroll up and copt the formula (12:56 PM) Daniel X: copy (12:58 PM) Orprepus: Dan-X do have a ESPL indicator for Pivot Points or do you do in a spread sheet? (12:58 PM) Orprepus: do have = do you have (12:58 PM) Daniel X: my trading software does it auto (12:58 PM) ab_18: Got it Thot you meant Pyrapoint (12:59 PM) boomer_95: Daniel...your software is? (12:59 PM) ppusa: as far as calling corrections yesterday's late runup was so absurd I was sure they would crack the market today. But that was experience. (I knew whenever the orrection took place I would miss it) (12:59 PM) Daniel X: RT Investor (12:59 PM) Orprepus: ab_18 - Ensign Software Jan newsleter has a write up about Pyrapoint (12:59 PM) Daniel X: www.linnsoft.com (01:00 PM) Daniel X: comparible to TS (01:00 PM) Daniel X: MAC and PC (01:01 PM) Daniel X: for Pyrapoint i study Buffy's charts! (01:02 PM) Orprepus: the 233 tick posted by Howard is pretty good also (01:04 PM) Daniel X: PPUSA i left tried to quit before the close only to see it climb and in a panic i jumped on the momentum ...took some of it without charts!Never doing that again. (01:06 PM) Buffy_04364: didn't miss much I see (01:06 PM) jimbo_320: see i missed a load of nq es action while gone! (01:06 PM) Buffy_04364: Howard is not in the room he has gone to troubleshoot the code and wants to concentrate (01:07 PM) Buffy_04364: are there win2000 users in here running ensign without ghosting problems? (01:07 PM) Buffy_04364: or anyone running win98 with ghosting problems? (01:07 PM) ppusa: Dan I guess you mean yesterday? but...hey everyone, thanks for the chat this week. Bye ntil next week, (01:07 PM) Orprepus: buffy what is the issue I was late joining this morning (01:07 PM) Daniel X: bye (01:07 PM) Buffy_04364: hope u feeling better (01:08 PM) Orprepus: bye pp - wave (01:08 PM) Buffy_04364: the ghosting of the cursor when set to large cross (01:08 PM) ppusa: congrats again orprepus on yesterday's trade (01:08 PM) Buffy_04364: makes lots of lines in a chart just moving cursor back and forth (01:08 PM) Orprepus: yes it is annoying (01:08 PM) Buffy_04364: yes it was a good one O (01:08 PM) Buffy_04364: what system O (01:09 PM) Buffy_04364: 2000 or 98 (01:09 PM) Orprepus: 98se (01:09 PM) jimbo_320: o, you short the open again today? (01:09 PM) astro618: winME has ghosting but clears when the chart is clicked (01:09 PM) Buffy_04364: and your latest update was? (01:09 PM) Buffy_04364: yes that is true of all (01:09 PM) Buffy_04364: ok Howard thought it might be system related but I guess not with these answers (01:09 PM) Buffy_04364: thanks all (01:10 PM) Buffy_04364: he wanted me to ask (01:10 PM) Orprepus: shorted overnight after reviewing put cal volume for yesterday (01:10 PM) boomer_95: Oreprepus...who do ya use for broker? (01:11 PM) Orprepus: RCGPSD (01:12 PM) astro618: Hi all, first time here, does anyone talk in here? or just type. I'm not hearing anything (01:12 PM) boomer_95: might i ask what u pay for RT? (01:12 PM) Daniel X: type mostly (01:12 PM) astro618: thx (01:12 PM) Daniel X: 1k (01:13 PM) Daniel X: pre July $ increase (01:13 PM) tomsurf: boomer- If Lind will ok it I'll sell you mine for cheap (01:13 PM) Orprepus: $15 big $8 minil RT (01:13 PM) tomsurf: opps Linn that is (01:14 PM) Daniel X: oh u mean round trip..not RT as in the software..sorry (01:14 PM) Orprepus: right (01:14 PM) Orprepus: round trun (01:14 PM) Daniel X: Tomsurf u selling? (01:14 PM) Buffy_04364: Howard is trying to make it automatic for people to post charts to dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart - thought that was a great idea (01:15 PM) astro618: yeah, i'm for that! (01:15 PM) Orprepus: nice feature (01:15 PM) tomsurf: yes, I no longer use it...It's the windows version (01:15 PM) Daniel X: how much? (01:16 PM) tomsurf: have not really thought it over....but about $400 (01:16 PM) boomer_95: thx Orp... (01:16 PM) boomer_95: tomsurf..who did ya switch to? (01:16 PM) Daniel X: follow a couple of my trades and send it to me! (01:16 PM) tomsurf: Ensign (01:16 PM) Daniel X: LOL (01:16 PM) Buffy_04364: Dave you here now? (01:16 PM) tomsurf: lol ;-) (01:17 PM) Buffy_04364: Dave? (01:17 PM) dave_b_quick: ya, i'm about 1/2 here (01:17 PM) Orprepus: wlcm (01:17 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL (01:17 PM) Buffy_04364: I just noticed Howard's tests were in jpg and not gif (01:17 PM) Buffy_04364: do you care which? (01:17 PM) tomsurf: I thought Linn was good and I really liked the support and people but it ran or my quote feed ran to slow (01:17 PM) Orprepus: dave - is doing home improvement project while the market chops (01:17 PM) Daniel X: no but on a serious tip...I've a buddy looking into RT Investor right now I'll let you know next week. (01:18 PM) Buffy_04364: oh ok what are you improving dave? (01:18 PM) Buffy_04364: isn't rt investor the one T says has the adx figured wrong? (01:18 PM) tomsurf: Daniel, ok (01:18 PM) Buffy_04364: not sure (01:18 PM) ab_18: es ready for another move down??? (01:18 PM) Buffy_04364: on that (01:18 PM) Daniel X: Buffy not sure (01:18 PM) dave_b_quick: looks like howard's JPG files are not much bigger than our GIF files, so no prob (01:19 PM) Buffy_04364: ok thanks for checking (01:19 PM) ab_18: Not as clear as yours. (01:19 PM) Buffy_04364: they are just basic charts for now for the testing (01:19 PM) jimbo_320: we might get a bit more selling but my guess is friday chop, any other ideas? (01:19 PM) dave_b_quick: he must have the JPG compression really high to keep the file sizes small, which degrades quality Paltalk: To visit our sponsors, click on banners! (01:20 PM) Daniel X: yes..down then up then up then down then......... (01:20 PM) cheetah55: still short es and being patient (01:20 PM) Buffy_04364: ok my recommendation would be gif also (01:20 PM) Daniel X: // (01:20 PM) Daniel X: \\ (01:20 PM) cheetah55: noticed post on calcing pivot points...Ensign will do that for you for those not aware of the tool. (01:20 PM) Daniel X: // (01:20 PM) Daniel X: \\ (01:20 PM) Daniel X: // (01:20 PM) Daniel X: \\ (01:21 PM) Orprepus: \\ LOL! (01:22 PM) Daniel X: 21 takes us out of cogestion (01:22 PM) Daniel X: congestion (01:22 PM) dave_b_quick: Ensign calls their pivot plotter "support/resistance" tool (01:23 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL daniel (01:23 PM) Buffy_04364: yes it is a good tool (01:23 PM) Buffy_04364: was using it once must of lost it when reformatted (01:24 PM) dave_b_quick: it's one of the tool buttons (01:25 PM) dave_b_quick: buffy, was howard's room open today? (01:26 PM) Buffy_04364: yes it is (01:26 PM) Buffy_04364: he left though to try to figure out the problem (01:26 PM) Buffy_04364: someone else was in there when I left (01:28 PM) Buffy_04364: posted a pyra (01:28 PM) Buffy_04364: sure is a chop chop (01:29 PM) Daniel X: //////// \ / 0 0 L \___/ (01:29 PM) Daniel X: that didn't work! never mind (01:30 PM) Orprepus: LOL (01:30 PM) Orprepus: \ (01:30 PM) Buffy_04364: close enough daniel (01:30 PM) Buffy_04364: brought back great memories of the old BBs (01:31 PM) Buffy_04364: and doing stuff like that long before AOL and paltalk and icq (01:31 PM) Daniel X: lol guess i lost my head then! (01:31 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL (01:32 PM) Buffy_04364: bulliten boards were the greatest 8-10 years ago (01:32 PM) Buffy_04364: our local buliten board had a software team and everythign (01:33 PM) Orprepus: Streeetcccching and soon SNAP! (01:33 PM) Daniel X: just started on the net 2 years ago myself..so i still find it funny. (01:34 PM) Buffy_04364: guess I shouldn't show my age :-) (01:34 PM) Buffy_04364: brb (01:35 PM) Orprepus: Buffy you were of those teen hackers weren't you? (01:36 PM) Orprepus: got this from T's site last week - it is BLOL (01:36 PM) Orprepus: http://formenmedia.ign.com/media/news/image/hardcore/bearboxing.mpg (01:36 PM) Daniel X: Buffy u were on the net when at 10 yrs old (01:36 PM) Daniel X: ! (01:36 PM) Daniel X: / (01:36 PM) Daniel X: / (01:36 PM) Daniel X: ? (01:36 PM) Daniel X: so 21 now (01:38 PM) Orprepus: link is for tv add - it is clean (01:38 PM) Daniel X: LOLOLOL (01:38 PM) Buffy_04364: no my boyes got me into it (01:39 PM) Buffy_04364: just about 10-12 years ago for buliten boards (01:39 PM) Daniel X: Buffy check it out (01:39 PM) Buffy_04364: Qlink was the first (01:39 PM) Buffy_04364: check out what did I miss something? (01:40 PM) Buffy_04364: tha tis cute (01:41 PM) Buffy_04364: well trained bears (01:41 PM) Daniel X: back in 10 (01:43 PM) Buffy_04364: did anyone determine what caused that spike down? (01:45 PM) Jr_Steggy: if any one is intrested wen night @ 7:30 i am going to be doing another proptrader demo you are welcome to join (01:46 PM) Daniel X: DAMN EVERYTIME bUFFY OR MYSELF LEAVE THE ROMM ..wHAMMO! (01:47 PM) Daniel X: opps cap lock (01:48 PM) dave_b_quick: make sure you let us know next time daniel (01:48 PM) Daniel X: 1 point from realLOD (01:48 PM) Daniel X: k (01:48 PM) Daniel X: lol (01:48 PM) Buffy_04364: but I come back and find my buy/sell stop filled LOL (01:49 PM) Daniel X: took mine out as i walked away (01:49 PM) Buffy_04364: and then quickly adjut it to get stopped out :-( (01:49 PM) Buffy_04364: for down 1 (01:49 PM) Daniel X: goodthing so far (01:49 PM) Daniel X: was 20 (01:49 PM) Buffy_04364: not my day between computer and phone calls (01:49 PM) Buffy_04364: howard changed the message in room to not download it Paltalk: Subscribe to bannerless to stop the popups today! Get it NOW for less than THREE CENTS a day! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. (01:50 PM) Buffy_04364: does anyone put updates in a seperate file so they can go back to older version like we used to do with qcharts? (01:50 PM) dave_b_quick: for ensign? (01:51 PM) Buffy_04364: yes (01:51 PM) dave_b_quick: i have a couple old versions, but then they were coming out so fast i quit renaming them (01:51 PM) Daniel X: TOM what's going on in the Pit? PLZ inform (01:51 PM) dave_b_quick: 3 guys practicing their putts (01:52 PM) tomsurf: no one there.lol, dave has it. (01:52 PM) Daniel X: locals? (01:52 PM) tomsurf: says till we get out of this tight range...no trade (01:52 PM) Buffy_04364: is anyone doing anything with this chop chop (01:52 PM) Buffy_04364: it sure is tight (01:52 PM) Daniel X: no but i will (01:52 PM) tomsurf: ya I ate breakfast (01:52 PM) Buffy_04364: that pyra I posted tells it all (01:53 PM) tomsurf: Buffy, you still like the 4min pyra? (01:53 PM) Daniel X: sell the mid to upper 20s cover low 20s to upper teens (01:53 PM) Buffy_04364: yes (01:53 PM) tomsurf: great, what degree are you using? (01:54 PM) dave_b_quick: cj was long 5 NQ on the big spike down, but made it all back already trading 10 lots in the chop (01:54 PM) Buffy_04364: time wise it is about the same as the 233 tick (01:54 PM) Buffy_04364: wow to cj (01:54 PM) tomsurf: cj is amazing (01:54 PM) Buffy_04364: 11.25 (01:55 PM) Buffy_04364: for degree tom (01:55 PM) tomsurf: OK, thanks Buffy (01:55 PM) Daniel X: sell upper to mid 20s buy low 20s to upper teens 2 points at a time. (01:59 PM) longshot17: anyone live in Vermont? (01:59 PM) Limit: I've heard some people do (01:59 PM) Daniel X: lots of people (01:59 PM) longshot17: lol (02:00 PM) fikalaker: Probably over 2,000,000 (02:00 PM) longshot17: i don't think it is that high (02:01 PM) fikalaker: Well, I really was only guessing (02:01 PM) cheetah55: only about 600,000 (02:02 PM) cheetah55: been to VT, don't live there (02:02 PM) fikalaker: Have you ever met anyone from Wyoming...does it really exist??? (02:03 PM) sp-leo: my son did for awhile (02:03 PM) longshot17: you might have guessed, i do live in VT. It doesn't seem to be a place where people daytrade (02:03 PM) dave_b_quick: family is from NH, going to visit this month (02:03 PM) dave_b_quick: will drive thru VT to get there (02:03 PM) Limit: new englanders too conservative to daytrade (02:04 PM) cheetah55: VT is nice state. Green Mountains (02:04 PM) cheetah55: Not buffy !! :-) (02:04 PM) Buffy_04364: where in NH Dave? Spent 16 years living by Keene (02:04 PM) ab_18: need interactive outdoor map... (02:04 PM) dave_b_quick: we have a house in Keene and my sister lives in Hollis, near Nashua (02:04 PM) Buffy_04364: now what did I do cheetah :-) (02:05 PM) dave_b_quick: my dad grew up in Keene (02:05 PM) Buffy_04364: Ok now that you know the area we lived in Troy on South St (02:05 PM) Buffy_04364: Right off of Rt 12 (02:05 PM) Buffy_04364: small world (02:06 PM) dave_b_quick: my grandma was proprietor of "Keene Forrestry Assoc" for 50 yrs (everygreen nursery) (02:06 PM) Buffy_04364: Central Screw Co big employer when he was growing up? (02:06 PM) dave_b_quick: i think so (02:06 PM) Buffy_04364: Worked for Douglas Toy making stuff animals when kids were growing up (02:06 PM) dave_b_quick: LOL small world (02:06 PM) Buffy_04364: like working at home to be with htem (02:07 PM) longshot17: i thought we were talking about Vermont here? lol moving on i guess (02:07 PM) Buffy_04364: someone mentioned NH (02:07 PM) dave_b_quick: sorry, continue the VT thread' (02:07 PM) Buffy_04364: I got lost again (02:07 PM) Buffy_04364: did cheetah say what I did wrong and I missed it again? (02:07 PM) Buffy_04364: missed a good laugh I bet (02:07 PM) Daniel X: 17 point range since 10:15 (02:07 PM) Buffy_04364: isn't that rediculous (02:08 PM) Buffy_04364: gee maybe we should take Fridays off this month (02:08 PM) longshot17: just kidding, really just wanted to know if there were any other Vermonters here (02:08 PM) dave_b_quick: where are you in VT? (02:08 PM) longshot17: Colchester - near Burlington (02:08 PM) cheetah55: LOL, buffy....someone mentiuoned that New Englanders were too conservative to daytrade. (02:08 PM) Buffy_04364: David just emailed me something out someone saying productivetity was going to be 1.5 and crash in equities coming haven't really read it yet (02:08 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL anymore jokes (02:09 PM) Buffy_04364: although I really can't find someone in Maine (02:09 PM) Buffy_04364: Hi Mike (02:10 PM) longshot17: do people trade the nq's here? (02:10 PM) Daniel X: y (02:10 PM) dave_b_quick: i'll be driving thru burlington a couple of times this month (02:11 PM) dave_b_quick: ya, mostly NQ for me Welcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders. Most of us follow methods taught at intelligentspeculator.com. We're here when "TRENDVUE TRADERS WKSHOP" is locked down for a paid session. You can post charts at www.DaCharts.com Spammers & hecklers get the boot. (02:12 PM) Buffy_04364: not even bollinger band ping pong Mike? It would of worked :-) (02:12 PM) longshot17: thanks, I know my way around though (02:12 PM) Buffy_04364: agree need to be sharp to play that game (02:13 PM) dave_b_quick: how many bonds trades did you do, mike? (02:13 PM) Buffy_04364: maybe someday a class on bonds with the little idiosycrises of it (02:13 PM) mike_bruns: 3 (02:13 PM) longshot17: any bets when the nq breakout will be? (02:13 PM) Buffy_04364: I know I didn't spell that right (02:13 PM) Buffy_04364: oh ok (02:13 PM) ab_18: longshot17 try this http://www.thesi.com/map/default800_ie.htm (02:14 PM) astro618: 11:14:47 (02:14 PM) Buffy_04364: yeah got my attention (02:15 PM) dave_b_quick: nice map, ab. I guess i drive thru bennington, not burlington (02:15 PM) ispecjh_1: mike what is your new set up for your class? or has it not changed (02:15 PM) Buffy_04364: we are your alumni too!!!!!! (02:15 PM) tomsurf: Buffy- ditto (02:15 PM) longshot17: just a little ways apart (like 2 1/2 hours) - no drinks i guess (02:16 PM) longshot17: burlington is much nicer (02:16 PM) dave_b_quick: i've been there yrs ago (02:16 PM) longshot17: my guess on a breakout is 2:20 vermont time (02:16 PM) Limit: Mike - Where do we find out about your stuff? (02:16 PM) dave_b_quick: sounds good, Mike (02:17 PM) ispecjh_1: do you still have your thursday only session (02:17 PM) mike_bruns: www.trendVUE.com (02:17 PM) Daniel X: longshot how do u know about 2:20? (02:17 PM) Limit: thx (02:17 PM) ispecjh_1: thks (02:17 PM) dave_b_quick: so more training for the same low price (02:17 PM) tomsurf: mike- does that start next week? (02:17 PM) longshot17: i don't just a guess - 3 min chart is looking a little sick (02:18 PM) tomsurf: OK, sounds like a plan (02:18 PM) Daniel X: everyday from 2:20 till 2:40 action picks up (02:18 PM) Daniel X: Longshot (02:19 PM) ispecjh_1: will you have your premarket open discussion on commodities like before Paltalk: Please visit our advertisers by clicking on banners. (02:20 PM) Daniel X: 2:20 pop!!!! (02:20 PM) Daniel X: maybe (02:20 PM) ispecjh_1: ok (02:21 PM) Daniel X: Mike where can i see a sample of the charts use @Trendvue for Macs? (02:21 PM) Daniel X: it does say Mac and PC (02:21 PM) ab_18: 2:20 must be mutual funds placing orders? (02:21 PM) Daniel X: yes (02:21 PM) longshot17: got to go, trade well guys (02:22 PM) Daniel X: k (02:22 PM) dave_b_quick: thanks longshot (02:23 PM) jimbo_320: is that it for the 2.20 :-( (02:23 PM) mike_bruns: Open a browser and paste this in: (02:23 PM) mike_bruns: http://www.ottographs.com/charts/2001-08/02MB/?M=D (02:23 PM) Daniel X: the site says "Mac and Pc Live Charts" (02:23 PM) Daniel X: oh ok (02:23 PM) mike_bruns: Then appply the user name of workshop. (02:24 PM) mike_bruns: ANd the password of analysis. (02:24 PM) mike_bruns: If you get it, it works. (02:24 PM) Daniel X: thnx (02:25 PM) mike_bruns: s owe shall have a sort of beginning commentary, but not the 45M one that some of you are used to before we began the day in the Workshop. (02:26 PM) Daniel X: i don't have a user name for the workshop (02:26 PM) mike_bruns: But I intend to help people make mucho dinero in the other commodity markets. (02:26 PM) mike_bruns: Use workshop (02:26 PM) dave_b_quick: workshop is the user name (02:26 PM) Daniel X: oh gotcha (02:27 PM) Daniel X: brb (02:31 PM) timing_1: short 14.5 (02:31 PM) mike_bruns: So not trying t odo a sales pitch but there are major changes underway in services offered by Teresa and myself. We really believe these will better serve people. And the Great experiment continues..... (02:31 PM) mike_bruns: Good trading to all. (02:31 PM) mike_bruns: Enjoy the weekend and enjoy your families. (02:32 PM) Daniel X: MIKE!!!!!!! (02:32 PM) Daniel X: not that (02:33 PM) Daniel X: the trendVue Real time Charts PLUS (02:33 PM) Daniel X: aaahhhh damn too late (02:34 PM) dave_b_quick: shall i get mike back? (02:35 PM) Daniel X: nah next time (02:36 PM) dave_b_quick: daniel, mike went back to the trendvue room, password target (02:37 PM) Daniel X: thnx ill get him after the close if i can thnx (02:38 PM) Daniel X: 1734 the # (02:41 PM) Daniel X: so the 2:20 to 2:40 got 1 point if u just stood there (02:42 PM) Daniel X: 32 if u took the 5 (02:42 PM) Daniel X: points that is (02:42 PM) jimbo_320: chop city (02:42 PM) Daniel X: a lot of buy stops @ 34 i bet (02:43 PM) jimbo_320: who says we close at 1214 :-) (02:43 PM) Orprepus: dan-x can you share a little about 2:20 - 2:40? EST? (02:44 PM) Daniel X: stick around i will later (02:44 PM) Daniel X: still expect it to pop a little more (02:44 PM) Daniel X: but who knows for sure (02:44 PM) Orprepus: thx (02:45 PM) timing_1: out+1 7th i pt trade today (02:45 PM) Daniel X: good timing timing (02:46 PM) timing_1: done in 90 yrs lol (02:46 PM) cheetah55: jimbo, 14 sounds reasonable...maybe 13.75 :-) (02:46 PM) Daniel X: lol (02:47 PM) cctraderx: orprep - study on 2:20 - 240 time frame from July, I think showed that in 19 times out of 22 that there was a gain of 5pts on avg, (02:47 PM) Daniel X: ditto (02:47 PM) cctraderx: on 3 losers, one was greenspan day another was directional down day (02:47 PM) jimbo_320: my es 3min looks like a 1 minute yurggg (02:47 PM) cctraderx: loss avg was 8 pts on those days (02:48 PM) cctraderx: trend continued last week and some this week. (02:48 PM) Orprepus: thx cc (02:48 PM) jimbo_320: cheetah, no with foresight i revise to 13.75 (02:49 PM) cctraderx: polo and dirk did the study (02:49 PM) Daniel X: take note though that was buying at 2:20 and holding till 2:40 (02:49 PM) Daniel X: long (02:49 PM) Daniel X: if u we're able to time the low and or the high you got more (02:49 PM) cheetah55: jimbo, :-) Paltalk: Your friends are just a click away! Press the invite button NOW! (02:50 PM) jimbo_320: even my 5 min has 2pt ranges on most candles PUKE (02:50 PM) jimbo_320: i cant find a chart to trade at all :-( (02:50 PM) Daniel X: today the low was 2:17 @ 1722 and and 30 @ 2:40 (02:51 PM) jimbo_320: i think i might have to try the weekly lol (02:52 PM) Daniel X: didn't someone mention something about a 3 oclock hop? (02:53 PM) Orprepus: \ \ \\----------------eeeee it's flat line code blue get Greenspan (02:53 PM) jimbo_320: between 9.05 and 10.05 we slipped 14 points, and 10.05 and 14.30 we chopped 3, danx you mean the 3 o'clock chop (02:53 PM) tamepiglet: That's an old song. lol (02:53 PM) Daniel X: they"re going for my buy limit (02:53 PM) Daniel X: 1734 (02:53 PM) jimbo_320: tick 304 at hod (02:54 PM) astro618: mkt died last friday at 2:00 ish (02:54 PM) Daniel X: 10:15 today (02:54 PM) astro618: the beach is looking good! (02:54 PM) jimbo_320: danx i hope for your sake they dont hit it :-) (02:54 PM) Daniel X: me too (02:55 PM) Daniel X: we'll se (02:55 PM) Daniel X: 3 poit stop loss (02:55 PM) jimbo_320: at least i have a weekends fishing to look forward to :-) (02:55 PM) Daniel X: here it goes (02:55 PM) tamepiglet: I've been ignoring my charts. I was irritated, when on July 25 or so the ES downtrend line from May 22 was broken. And Now, irritated that the uptrend line from July 25 was broken when it dropped below 1220. Is this just chop chop? (02:56 PM) jimbo_320: zooomm (02:56 PM) jimbo_320: or zzzzzz (02:57 PM) Daniel X: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZOOOOOOOOOMMMMMzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz (02:59 PM) jimbo_320: oop we have some action on the es, some stops were hit zzzz (03:02 PM) Orprepus: oh Buffy - you there (03:03 PM) Orprepus: Does any EW user know if Howard posted notes from Wednesday chat some where (03:04 PM) Buffy_04364: yes he has under FAQ (03:04 PM) Buffy_04364: dave also has the class here (03:04 PM) Orprepus: thx (03:04 PM) Buffy_04364: just made some changes per howard to espl script and download an upgrade (03:04 PM) Buffy_04364: trying it now (03:05 PM) Buffy_04364: posted a pyra (03:06 PM) Buffy_04364: I don't have anything with a range this tight for so long on that chart (03:06 PM) Daniel X: comp crash uh oh (03:06 PM) Buffy_04364: *comfort* daniel (03:06 PM) Buffy_04364: espl change caused me to lockup and had to reboot (03:07 PM) Buffy_04364: boy do I confuse Howard (03:07 PM) Daniel X: have a limit buy@ 34 sitting out there (03:07 PM) Buffy_04364: but he is so patient (03:07 PM) cctraderx: xtra charge for Buffy (03:07 PM) jimbo_320: the only guys who make money in this chop are market makers, they just love fridays (03:08 PM) jimbo_320: dan x - still sitting ? :-) (03:09 PM) Daniel X: yes whats last (03:09 PM) Daniel X: best is also down (03:09 PM) Daniel X: mine anyways (03:11 PM) jimbo_320: ok 1213 is my revised close (03:11 PM) Daniel X: PHEW ok no longer blinded (03:12 PM) Buffy_04364: is your jpeg options checked daniel (03:12 PM) Buffy_04364: if they aren't that is the problem (03:12 PM) Buffy_04364: anyway (03:12 PM) tamepiglet: short es1213.25. out at 1212.25. I think I'm done for the day. (03:12 PM) Buffy_04364: ok to do download now and Howard would like reports on improvements and non improvements you each notice (03:13 PM) Daniel X: think it was a cable bandwidth problem ..the only thing that stayed connected was Paltalk (03:13 PM) Buffy_04364: to help track down the minor things left - trust me you can live with what is left it is such a big improvement (03:13 PM) dave_b_quick: thanks, buffy (03:13 PM) tamepiglet: big up candle here on the 1 minute es (03:13 PM) Daniel X: they're coming! (03:14 PM) cheetah55: jimbo, 1213 (03:14 PM) Buffy_04364: ok bandwidth can do it too but know jpeg not having all 3 options checked caused me major refreshing problems (03:14 PM) Buffy_04364: pyra just hit time line (03:15 PM) Daniel X: im running Charts on my Mac and Best and Platalk on my PC (03:15 PM) Daniel X: filled (03:16 PM) tamepiglet: This es bump up will clean out the shorts. (03:16 PM) Buffy_04364: head not on trading - good luck guys you have waited long enough today for it :-) (03:17 PM) dave_b_quick: have a great weekend buffy (03:17 PM) Daniel X: 3 point risk (03:17 PM) Buffy_04364: you all too - I am still going to watch (03:17 PM) Buffy_04364: yesterday's run up was unreal Paltalk: Go bannerless and support PalTalk! Subscribe today! Only $9.95 a year! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. (03:21 PM) Buffy_04364: Dave did the 15M trader do ok in this chop or get whipsawed (03:21 PM) tamepiglet: That's almost 40 DOW points we got back on 15 minutes??? (03:22 PM) dave_b_quick: 15m trader sidelined until a direction emerges from the chop (03:22 PM) Daniel X: stop b/e (03:23 PM) Daniel X: stop b/e (03:23 PM) Buffy_04364: looking forward to seeing retrotrader chart thanks (03:24 PM) tomsurf: tick+950 (03:24 PM) cctraderx: wow (03:25 PM) dave_b_quick: of course retro trader would always have a 25 point profit limit order in case of a spike like this morning! (03:25 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL (03:26 PM) tomsurf: dave- retro trader is one sharp dude ;-) (03:26 PM) Buffy_04364: did you take a trde about 11:30? (03:26 PM) Buffy_04364: nevermind you are most probably trading will wait for chart (03:26 PM) Buffy_04364: sorry (03:27 PM) dave_b_quick: yes, buffy i got stopped out on that (03:27 PM) dave_b_quick: actually 11:07 (03:27 PM) Daniel X: stopped b/e (03:28 PM) Buffy_04364: ok (03:29 PM) Daniel X: thats it no more Mr.Nice Guy im taking every 5 oints i can get! (03:29 PM) cctraderx: go Daniel!!! (03:30 PM) Daniel X: I left 12 points on the table today 33 this week! (03:30 PM) dave_b_quick: ya, i wish i could get back what i leave on the table (03:30 PM) tamepiglet: I'd be flying now if all this could be done. (03:31 PM) Daniel X: and but of course it's gonna fly now (03:31 PM) Buffy_04364: of course Daniel (03:31 PM) cctraderx: what's the saying - when pigs fly (03:31 PM) Daniel X: SOBs (03:31 PM) tamepiglet: exactly! (03:32 PM) Daniel X: @$#%&*$#@% (03:32 PM) tamepiglet: if wishes came true pigs would be.... (03:32 PM) Buffy_04364: that is why we need rules to follow during the day and change them when market isn't open (03:32 PM) Buffy_04364: like retro trader (03:32 PM) Buffy_04364: :-) (03:32 PM) tamepiglet: Have to be like buffy, and know when to just watch... (03:33 PM) Buffy_04364: I have a very hard time dealing with computer stuff and trading at same time always have (03:33 PM) tamepiglet: Might just make it to the magic ES 1220--1221 (03:33 PM) Buffy_04364: glad his update fixed it (03:33 PM) tamepiglet: The user interface isn't what it needs to be. (03:34 PM) dave_b_quick: yes, buffy, "retrotrader's rules are under continuous development" (03:34 PM) Buffy_04364: but only when market closed I bet (03:34 PM) Buffy_04364: that is one of the keys I think (03:34 PM) dave_b_quick: naturally (03:34 PM) tamepiglet: I need voice actived trading. (03:34 PM) tamepiglet: activated... (03:34 PM) dave_b_quick: that sounds really dangerous (03:34 PM) cctraderx: how about thought activated (03:35 PM) Buffy_04364: 5M had a beautiful TL breakout and retest to climb aboard on (03:35 PM) Buffy_04364: will post (03:35 PM) tamepiglet: that would REALLY be dangerous! (03:35 PM) Daniel X: 1743 Pivot point support if it makes any diff here (03:36 PM) tamepiglet: set, buy limt stop, 1225. verify. transmit. (03:36 PM) tamepiglet: or something like that. (03:36 PM) Buffy_04364: that would be my thoughts too - dangerous (03:36 PM) Buffy_04364: I might be talking to my kitties about what I should of done! (03:36 PM) tamepiglet: Just what do you think about Buffy? lol (03:37 PM) Buffy_04364: today was trying to give howard clues to find problem for the most part and two calls from bidge student (03:37 PM) Buffy_04364: not trading today (03:38 PM) Buffy_04364: few shots I took amounted to net zero LOL (03:38 PM) dave_b_quick: i didn't even notice the problem, buffy (03:38 PM) Buffy_04364: that is what was confusing Howard he couldn't duplicate it (03:38 PM) tamepiglet: Two years ago IBM had this ad for the guy in the park with the pigeons. While he was trading with his head set computer. What ever happened to that??? (03:38 PM) Buffy_04364: figured win2000 part of problem until others here had problem iwth win98 and me (03:39 PM) Buffy_04364: but all should notice an improvement with version posted about an hour ago (03:39 PM) Buffy_04364: I remember that ad tame! (03:39 PM) tamepiglet: Finally some ES selling at 1218.25???? (03:40 PM) tamepiglet: You mean I didn't dream it all up Buffy??? (03:40 PM) Buffy_04364: nope LOL (03:40 PM) tamepiglet: Here come the ES buyers. Gonna make 1221 yet. (03:41 PM) Buffy_04364: sorry guys forgot to change name on pyra chart just posted (03:41 PM) Rickster39: Are you all announcing about upcoming earnings on different stocks? (03:41 PM) Daniel X: no (03:42 PM) Daniel X: we be tradin futs (03:42 PM) Buffy_04364: two gravestones on 3M (03:42 PM) tamepiglet: What are stocks??? (03:43 PM) Buffy_04364: be careful (03:43 PM) Buffy_04364: IMO (03:43 PM) Daniel X: which is allways wlcm btw (03:44 PM) tamepiglet: Oh c'mon. The ES is SO close to 1221. Which is the lower limit on the up trend line started July 25. (03:44 PM) cctraderx: short it tame, then it will get there (03:45 PM) cctraderx: that's how it usually works for me, the opposite (03:45 PM) tamepiglet: That's right, CC. Watch what I do and do EXACTLY the opposite. (03:45 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL tame Welcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders. Most of us follow methods taught at intelligentspeculator.com. We're here when "TRENDVUE TRADERS WKSHOP" is locked down for a paid session. You can post charts at www.DaCharts.com Spammers & hecklers get the boot. (03:49 PM) cctraderx: doesn't look like much (03:49 PM) cctraderx: if any (03:49 PM) tamepiglet: It's not. It is still gonna rally to ES 1221. Yea, right. (03:49 PM) Daniel X: 10 to 11:30 and 1:30 to 3:30 are my hours...alot of traders trade 1rst hour and last hour Paltalk: Please support our sponsors by clicking on banners. (03:54 PM) Buffy_04364: didn't make higher high (03:54 PM) Daniel X: well so far in the past 2 weeks what i have learned NOT to do.......with respect to Dave's comment....is leave more than 2 points on the table during hesitating price action. (03:55 PM) Buffy_04364: yep can always reenter (03:55 PM) tamepiglet: Hmmmm. Maybe this is better. If it stays below the up trend line (ES) started July 25 or so. Maybe it will start going down again. And continue the downtrend line of May 22 (daily es). (03:55 PM) Buffy_04364: I tighten stop up when hesitates (03:55 PM) tamepiglet: Is that T's 4 to 6 bar rule.??? (03:55 PM) Daniel X: i move to B/E (03:56 PM) Daniel X: stops me more often than not (03:56 PM) tamepiglet: Remember, it is all in the charts. (03:57 PM) Buffy_04364: no it isn't (03:57 PM) Daniel X: 12 b? (03:57 PM) tamepiglet: I can't believe this. Ended the WEEK up. (03:58 PM) Buffy_04364: but remember T gets out on the first down bar and then puts buy stops to re enter (03:58 PM) Buffy_04364: up to six bars (03:58 PM) Daniel X: 12 B/Es this week left 33 points on the table (03:58 PM) Buffy_04364: after that it isn't as strong (03:58 PM) Buffy_04364: it is the retest that is stopping you out (03:58 PM) Buffy_04364: right (03:58 PM) tamepiglet: But what does she say about the strength of the bars??? (03:58 PM) Buffy_04364: ? (03:59 PM) Buffy_04364: don't follow tame (03:59 PM) Buffy_04364: sorry (03:59 PM) tamepiglet: She has integrated a complex set of rules to follow. And it's hard to know all of them. (03:59 PM) Buffy_04364: she gives it 4-6 bars on any retracement (03:59 PM) tamepiglet: But she also has a strength of bar rule. (04:00 PM) Buffy_04364: hmmm, not ringing any bells here maybe someone else knows (04:00 PM) tamepiglet: to go along with the 4 to 6 rule or something. I'm still trying to figure it out before I go broke. lol (04:00 PM) Orprepus: strength of trend with ADX (04:00 PM) tamepiglet: It is in the transcripts somewhere. Hopefully she mentioned it more than once. (04:01 PM) tamepiglet: Possibly something like that. (04:01 PM) Buffy_04364: yeah the adx but not the bars (04:01 PM) Buffy_04364: which is strength of trend (04:01 PM) tamepiglet: No. The bars too. We have to nail her down on this. (04:01 PM) Buffy_04364: yes then someone will have to get it down pat from her (04:02 PM) tamepiglet: Think about it. T makes money SO easy. We don't. So thiere is still some disconnect somewhere. (04:03 PM) dave_b_quick: experience is still important (04:03 PM) Orprepus: she's been at it a lot longer and sees a lot of things as second nature (04:03 PM) Buffy_04364: I think you will find it is patience (04:03 PM) Buffy_04364: she waits for the retest (04:03 PM) Buffy_04364: of course it is (04:03 PM) tamepiglet: Looks like we stayed below ES 1221. Maybe there is still hope for the down trend. (04:03 PM) paxton_5: hi, everbody make money? (04:03 PM) Orprepus: T trades safe (04:03 PM) Buffy_04364: sometimes I really have to dig to figure out what bridge student missing as it is auto with me (04:04 PM) Buffy_04364: yes she does trade safe (04:04 PM) cctraderx: hi paxton (04:04 PM) tamepiglet: Yea but I want my second nature to be like T's. Not like mine right now. (04:04 PM) Buffy_04364: waiting for retracement is safe (04:04 PM) paxton_5: hi, cc (04:04 PM) tamepiglet: If you traded 10 ES contracts at a time you would 'trade safe' too. (04:05 PM) dave_b_quick: tame, are you a lot better driver now than during the first year you had yr license? (04:06 PM) tamepiglet: I'm not sure. during the traders master class in OCT 2000 I made like 10 ES points one day. The best I've ever done. (04:06 PM) tamepiglet: I think I'm getting better but ask me next year at this time. (04:06 PM) paxton_5: just another day 4 me, have a nice wkend. (04:07 PM) dave_b_quick: thanks, paxton, you too (04:07 PM) tamepiglet: That was 10 on one trade. SS made it so easy. Or was it just luck??? (04:07 PM) tomsurf: bye (04:07 PM) dave_b_quick: when the market's going somewhere it's a lot easier, tame (04:07 PM) dave_b_quick: bye, tom (04:08 PM) tamepiglet: I'm in Vegas next week. Do they have data ports out there?! (04:08 PM) tomsurf: dave, was just saying bye to paxton ;-)...but almost outta here (04:08 PM) tomsurf: thoughts of being a 15min trader still dancing in my head (04:09 PM) Daniel X: me too (04:09 PM) tamepiglet: I'm usually in and out in 15 minutes. lol (04:09 PM) Daniel X: left 12 points on the table today trying (04:09 PM) tomsurf: tame- I don't think that is the idea, LOL (04:10 PM) Daniel X: just cannot master trailing stops (04:10 PM) tamepiglet: That's another thing. I think T trades the 1 minute more than anything else. Need to check on a couple of things with her. (04:10 PM) dave_b_quick: no, she usually only trades the 1m for the first 1/2 hour or less (04:11 PM) tamepiglet: Hmmmmm. (04:11 PM) cctraderx: and 5 min afterwards once trend develops (04:11 PM) cctraderx: goes back to 1 min to dial in stop (04:12 PM) tamepiglet: But dosn't she set a lot of her stops to the 1 minute??? (04:12 PM) cctraderx: y (04:12 PM) Buffy_04364: yep and sometime even out into a longer TF (04:12 PM) Buffy_04364: with the 5EMA of highs and 5EMA of lows still right? (04:12 PM) tamepiglet: So she is watching several charts at once. (04:12 PM) Buffy_04364: if long use lows and if short use highs (04:13 PM) Buffy_04364: trade is started on longer tf - crash stop set - then move to lower tf (04:13 PM) tamepiglet: But which one does she REALLY (inside her head) use to make the REAL buy/sell decisions. That's the hard part to know. (04:14 PM) Buffy_04364: personally I think it is the one with the best TLs (04:15 PM) tamepiglet: It's late guys & gals. SEE you all monday if the creek don't rise and I don't learn to fly. (04:15 PM) Buffy_04364: breakout - wait for retest - then find the trade (04:15 PM) Buffy_04364: ok tame see ya (04:16 PM) Daniel X: great weekend all! (04:16 PM) Orprepus: tame - have good weekend it come give it some time (04:16 PM) Buffy_04364: bye daniel you 2 (04:16 PM) tamepiglet: thanks everyone. (04:16 PM) tomsurf: bye all, have a good one (04:16 PM) Orprepus: Bye Dan-x (04:17 PM) tamepiglet: oink oink this piggies outta here. (04:17 PM) rs_5: bye tame (04:17 PM) Buffy_04364: I shouldn't be sidetrack Monday - am having a heart to heart with Ray about when he can call with hands to discuss :-) (04:18 PM) Buffy_04364: I don't mind working with Howard at all - in fact enjoyed it - my son used to have me test his software - love those memories (04:19 PM) Orprepus: I am out of hear - great week for me - hope ya'll also had a good week (04:19 PM) Buffy_04364: yep it was good O Paltalk: Are banners a bummer and popups a pain? Cure your banner blues NOW for $9.95 a year! Click HELP on your Pal List then select Bannerless PalTalk to subscribe now! (04:23 PM) cctraderx: have a good one folks, see you next week, if the hurricane doesn't bother us. (04:25 PM) Buffy_04364: is it a hurricane now? (04:25 PM) Buffy_04364: or still a tropical storm (04:25 PM) Buffy_04364: ? (04:25 PM) Buffy_04364: you have good weekend too cc (04:26 PM) cctraderx: tropical storm now, hopefully it says that way. You too Buffy (04:28 PM) dave_b_quick: thanks to all for your contributions today. Have a great weekend. (04:28 PM) Buffy_04364: Dave - an observation - this room went very well the last few days even with 33 people in it today (04:28 PM) Buffy_04364: at least that was the number one of the times I came back in (04:28 PM) Buffy_04364: from Howard (04:29 PM) dave_b_quick: ya, must be 'cuz we're all so serious and well-behaved (04:29 PM) Buffy_04364: :-) (04:29 PM) Buffy_04364: Howards auto posting of charts will be to your site too (04:30 PM) Buffy_04364: that will be nice I think for ones who have questions and for others to share their charts (04:30 PM) Buffy_04364: going to have to keep that website now :-) (04:32 PM) Buffy_04364: well, have a great weekend all going to go over to T's room for a bit and look at their charts - have to get my "fix" of cj's charts (04:32 PM) Buffy_04364: take care all (04:36 PM) Buffy_04364: gee room isn't open (04:37 PM) Buffy_04364: oh well (04:37 PM) Buffy_04364: wonder if it ever was today (04:39 PM) dave_b_quick: trendvue? (04:39 PM) ispe_bc: buffy I think the password is target (04:39 PM) dave_b_quick: ya, i'm there now (04:40 PM) ispe_bc: T forgot when she left to change it